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Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed (Read 1635 times)

macsak

Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« on: February 16, 2024, 08:18:01 AM »
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macsak

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2024, 08:18:50 AM »
but someone here sees no defiance
#nuance

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changemyoil66

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2024, 01:44:44 PM »
#objective
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2024, 10:11:12 PM »
No.

Your trolling is unnecessary
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2024, 10:11:51 PM »
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"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

macsak

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2024, 06:13:31 AM »
please show me where i said it was necessary...

Quote from: eyeeatingfish on February 20, 2024, 10:11:12 PM
No.

Your trolling is unnecessary
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changemyoil66

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2024, 07:49:47 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on February 20, 2024, 10:11:12 PM
No.

Your trolling is unnecessary

That's not a very objective statement.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2024, 10:58:37 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on February 20, 2024, 10:11:12 PM
No.

Your trolling is unnecessary

Your response to what you believe was trolling was also unnecessary ...

but you replied anyway.

Score for the troll!!

 :rofl:
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"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

changemyoil66

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2024, 11:06:51 AM »
I talked to a guy who isn't a US citizen and asked if he would join a militia so he can keep his 2a right (assume it was needed to keep it). He said no because as a peon in a militia, he has no say in what the org believes.  And if they believed overthrowing the government was needed, then he would lose his permanent resident status and get deported.
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Begle1

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2024, 12:50:52 PM »
Aren't we mostly all in the unorganized militia at some point of our lives?

https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2021/title-10/chapter-121/section-121-1/
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changemyoil66

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2024, 01:00:31 PM »
Quote from: Begle1 on February 21, 2024, 12:50:52 PM
Aren't we mostly all in the unorganized militia at some point of our lives?

https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2021/title-10/chapter-121/section-121-1/

Hawaiii SC judge would disagree stating the only milita needed is the Aloha Spirit militia.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2024, 01:18:16 PM »
I think 99.9% of our politicians forgot they took the oath of office once they got elected.

The other .1% of politicians who took the oath of office are republicans.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2024, 03:01:09 PM »
Fact Sheet: Unlawful Militias in Hawaii

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Federal and state laws generally use the term “militia” to refer to all able-bodied residents between certain ages who
may be called forth by the government to defend the United States or an individual state.

See 10 U.S.C. § 246.

When not called forth, they are sometimes referred to as the “unorganized militia.” A group of people who
consider themselves part of the able-bodied residents referred to as members of the militia under state or federal
law is not legally permitted to activate itself for duty. A private militia that attempts to activate itself for duty,
outside of the authority of the state or federal government, is illegal.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/Hawaii.pdf
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"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

Begle1

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2024, 03:17:00 PM »
So we're legally in the militia, we just can't do anything until we're officially asked to do so?

My (very limited and likely flawed) understanding is that these militia laws (there is a federal one with nearly the same language) are important for reasons beyond clarifying the second amendment/ section 17... I was told that there couldn't legally be a draft without them. Hopefully somebody with real knowledge can expand on that.
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zippz

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2024, 04:40:51 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on February 21, 2024, 03:01:09 PM
Fact Sheet: Unlawful Militias in Hawaii
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/Hawaii.pdf

I would take this with a grain of salt.  This is the same organization representing the State of Hawaii to fight our 2A lawsuits.  Neal Katyal, an Obama Solicitor General who opposed us in Young v Hawaii, is one of their leaders.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2024, 05:11:00 PM »
Quote from: zippz on February 21, 2024, 04:40:51 PM
I would take this with a grain of salt.  This is the same organization representing the State of Hawaii to fight our 2A lawsuits.  Neal Katyal, an Obama Solicitor General who opposed us in Young v Hawaii, is one of their leaders.

i didn't intend for it to be definitive,   :geekdanc:

But the information and facts it contains are accurate up to the point of discussing militias interfering in polling places.  Just wanted us to be aware of what others are building the "militia" case on.

 :shaka:
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"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

eyeeatingfish

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2024, 12:36:01 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on February 20, 2024, 10:11:51 PM
Argumentative.

Answering a question is argumentative?

« Last Edit: February 24, 2024, 12:50:14 AM by eyeeatingfish »
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2024, 12:36:37 AM »
Quote from: macsak on February 21, 2024, 06:13:31 AM
please show me where i said it was necessary...

Please show me where I said you said it was necessary....
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hvybarrels

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2024, 01:39:05 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on February 21, 2024, 03:01:09 PM
Fact Sheet: Unlawful Militias in Hawaii
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/Hawaii.pdf

If you're a militia that dresses like homeless people then who's going to know the difference?

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“Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you figure it out for yourselves.”

changemyoil66

Re: Do you NEED to be in Militia for 2a? This and Hawaii v. Wilson discussed
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2024, 07:53:54 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on February 24, 2024, 12:36:01 AM
Answering a question is argumentative?
The way u often do it is.

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