The COVID Cult (Read 100698 times)

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3280 on: April 12, 2021, 10:54:11 AM »
You obviously do not understand how the constitution works and protects our right regardless of any court decisions. You can’t have liberty without due process. What you are claiming is that it is okay to ignore the constitution and take away liberty from people by tyrannical government employees by ignoring due process. I consider your suggestion of ignoring due process completely un-American or just a plain lack of knowledge on your part.

Since you obviously don’t understand or are willing to ignore this, I am done trying to have a conversation with you since you obviously don’t care about how the constitution works and you don’t care about having your rights protected regardless of court decisions. Unconstitutional mandates are what I have been talking about from the beginning. Your lack of being open to the reality of this has shows me you are just trying to argue and troll. You started this argument and due to the request of the moderators to cease and desist this type of argument I will stop it right here. Sometimes you have to overcome your desire to argue with people in order to follow the rules. I suggest in the future you do just that.

Or maybe this is the way a communist thinks and cannot comprehend what freedom is?  I remember being asked early in the thread "how am I a communist". Many examples were given.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3281 on: April 12, 2021, 12:08:52 PM »

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3282 on: April 12, 2021, 12:17:53 PM »
You obviously do not understand how the constitution works and protects our right regardless of any court decisions. You can’t have liberty without due process. What you are claiming is that it is okay to ignore the constitution and take away liberty from people by tyrannical government employees by ignoring due process. I consider your suggestion of ignoring due process completely un-American or just a plain lack of knowledge on your part.

Since you obviously don’t understand or are willing to ignore this, I am done trying to have a conversation with you since you obviously don’t care about how the constitution works and you don’t care about having your rights protected regardless of court decisions. Unconstitutional mandates are what I have been talking about from the beginning. Your lack of being open to the reality of this has shows me you are just trying to argue and troll. You started this argument and due to the request of the moderators to cease and desist this type of argument I will stop it right here. Sometimes you have to overcome your desire to argue with people in order to follow the rules. I suggest in the future you do just that.

The moderators ask to remain civil, not all agree on topics.  You can have a civil argument.  No name calling or insulting.  The constitution is made of many amendments.  One could argue that the order of the amendments is important, but lets ignore that.  When one constitutional amendment contradicts with another, a ruling is needed.  The supreme court is the deciding factor in said ruling.  They have ruled that its allowable.  I care how the constitution works, and I am attempting to explain how it works in the court of law.  Citizens can't interpret the constitution and makes rules based on their thoughts. There is a process that dictates that.   Unless you are a supreme court judge. 

This nation is a, nation in the end.  We must be united,  unlimited personal freedom is counterproductive to a free united society.  As someone who peaches freedom I understand there are some limits.  When the country goes to war and you are drafted you also lose "freedom" and your rights.  Does the 14th amendment also protect that? The quarantine argument also has another side.  That side being the free citizens that would be effected by someone breaking quarantine or pandemic rules.  What freedom exists for those people? Don't they have rights? Don't they have liberty.  The liberty not to be infected with a deadly virus that may lead to their death.  Just like smoking, a person does not have the right to smoke indoors with non smokers because their actions would breach the rights of the non smokers to not increase their chance of cancer etc. 

This is not some one sided black and white matter which you are alluding to.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3283 on: April 12, 2021, 12:19:03 PM »
Or maybe this is the way a communist thinks and cannot comprehend what freedom is?  I remember being asked early in the thread "how am I a communist". Many examples were given.

There are many ideas of freedom, depending what viewpoint you look at it from.   Covid rules protects the freedom of the non infected and at risk and population as a whole. 

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3284 on: April 12, 2021, 12:21:08 PM »
I'm surprised this is still up on youtube because she makes an analogy between the SAFETY CULT who demand all public school children be vaccinated and Joseph Mengele and those other "doctors" whom Nuremberg Trials declared to have been criminals punished by death.

Leigh Dundas, Human Rights Attorney, Orange County CA, Testimony re Mandatory Public School Vaccine

Don't conduct experiments on our children Orange County Civil opposition

Orange County, CA Board of Education Meeting | 4.7.21
Human Rights Attorney from Southern California Leigh Dundas lays it down in 3 1/2 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAMYpSU8qRc

If youtube takes it down, here is the rumble link:

https://rumble.com/vfjsy9-leigh-dundas-human-rights-attorney-orange-county-vaccine-covid-testimony.html

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3285 on: April 12, 2021, 12:31:37 PM »
There are many ideas of freedom, depending what viewpoint you look at it from.   Covid rules protects the freedom of the non infected and at risk and population as a whole.

The problem is, you can't identify who the non-infected are. 

Vaccinations don't guarantee you are not infected. 

Tests do not guarantee you are not infected. 

Having been infected before doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

Wearing masks and social distancing doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

Displaying a QR code on your smartphone doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

So, if you don't know who is infected and who isn't to a certainty, you have to restrict the freedoms of everyone.  No groups in your "solution" are having their freedoms protected, because the individuals can't be accurately assigned to those groups with any reasonable degree of certainty.  The person determined to not be infected today may be infected tomorrow in spite of vaccinations, prior infection or tests taken.
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changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3286 on: April 12, 2021, 12:49:49 PM »
The problem is, you can't identify who the non-infected are. 

Vaccinations don't guarantee you are not infected. 

Tests do not guarantee you are not infected. 

Having been infected before doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

Wearing masks and social distancing doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

Displaying a QR code on your smartphone doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

So, if you don't know who is infected and who isn't to a certainty, you have to restrict the freedoms of everyone.  No groups in your "solution" are having their freedoms protected, because the individuals can't be accurately assigned to those groups with any reasonable degree of certainty.  The person determined to not be infected today may be infected tomorrow in spite of vaccinations, prior infection or tests taken.

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Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3287 on: April 12, 2021, 01:19:13 PM »
Or maybe this is the way a communist thinks and cannot comprehend what freedom is?  I remember being asked early in the thread "how am I a communist". Many examples were given.
When one doesn’t have an understanding of how the constitution works and how your rights work and when you are willing to ignore some rights and are willing to give them up for an agenda or an ideal you give up your freedom and liberty. I can understand why one might confuse them with a communist or socialist. Because that is literally what the Democrats want their followers to think and feel since they are pushing towards socialism. When one gives up their rights they give up their freedom and liberty. If you do it willingly then you are a socialist or communist. It’s too bad that that question that was asked to you is telling of someone who has drunk the kool-aid.

I recall a comment in this thread I believe that involved the insinuation that China would never purposely infect their people. Let’s face it, last report I remember was a million died in China from the virus. But the ignorance about the communist party is that they don’t care about a million people or even 2 million or more. They would purposely infect their people and while I don’t have evidence to support that, I believe they probably did. I have lived through communism, socialism and Marxism and I am a student of WWI and WWII and I know what communists and nazies do and did to their people. Every person is expendable for any reason any time. Communists don’t care. The CCP kills millions every year. Verified. So why is it a far reach to think they wouldn’t infect their own people? After seeing for myself what communism truly is, it is not a reach or a conspiracy to even think it would happen. I am sure it already has.
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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3288 on: April 12, 2021, 01:55:32 PM »
Oh, goodie! I can hardly wait to get mine! And the accompanying "microchip implant passport". I'm sure this guy is a straight shooter and that the microchip has no other capability that what he says and will not be used for tracking or any other purpose. He's from the government, and he's here to help!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/wth-pentagon-scientists-working-secretive-unit-create-microchip-inserted-underneath-skin-will-detect-covid-19/

WTH? Pentagon Scientists Working in Secretive Unit Create Microchip to be Inserted Underneath Skin, Which Will Detect Covid-19

Pentagon scientists working in a secretive united created a microchip to be inserted underneath the skin, that can detect Covid-19 before the body exhibits symptoms.

60 Minutes interviewed retired Colonel Matt Hepburn, an army infectious disease physician, who spent years with the secretive defense advanced research projects agency or DARPA, working on technology he hopes will ensure COVID-19 is the last pandemic.

“Dr. Hepburn showed us a few current projects, some sound like they’re from an episode of “Star Trek.” Consider a ship like the USS Theodore Roosevelt — hobbled last year when 1,271 crew members tested positive for the coronavirus. What if everyone on board had their health monitored with this subdermal implant, now in late-stage testing. It’s not some dreaded government microchip to track your every move, but a tissue-like gel engineered to continuously test your blood,” 60 Minutes host Bill Whitaker said.

Dr. Hepburn told 60 Minutes that the microchip is like a “check engine light.”

“That tiny green thing in there, you put it underneath your skin and what that tells you is that there are chemical reactions going on inside the body and that signal means you are going to have symptoms tomorrow,” he said.

Dr. Hepburn said that DARPA also created a filter which would be passed through an individual’s blood to remove the Covid virus, “It takes the virus out, and puts the blood back in.”

So far, doctors have used this filter to treat 300 critically ill patients.

The Pentagon told 60 Minutes that the government isn’t seeking to track your every move with the microchip technology [LOL!!].

WATCH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5Bz2eHNtA

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3289 on: April 12, 2021, 02:12:18 PM »
You can't make this stuff up!! Goddamn people are fucking stupid.

Why 50? Let me see the "science" behind that number. Why would 51 mean that mask and "social distancing" etc. made-up-bullshit mandates can NOT be lifted, but 50 does? Does anyone with even one quarter of a functioning brain not know that they are just making shit up out of thin air? Pulling this crap out of their asses? How can that not be obvious to anyone by this point in time? smh. Anyone wanna bet that number will change before it happens?



https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/04/12/revised-ohio-covid-19-health-order-masks-social-distancing-bars-and-restaurants-still-required/7187015002/

Revised Ohio COVID-19 health order: Masks, social distancing at bars and restaurants still required

Ohio's mask mandate remains in effect, officials clarified after confusion over a new order that replaced 18 others.

Last week, Gov. Mike DeWine announced the state would simplify coronavirus-related restrictions on businesses, events and more. At the same time the revised order was issued, another order rescinded 18 others including the state's face mask order.

People who only saw the latter might have thought that meant facial coverings and other mitigation measures, such as requiring space between tables at bars and restaurants, were no longer required. But the new, broader order stated in the second section that masks were still required in indoor spaces outside of one's home and other situations.

Ohio Department of Health Director Stephanie McCloud signed a revised health order on Friday meant to clear things up.

The revised order includes new language that clarifies:

The mask mandate for K-12 schools hasn't changed and remains in effect.
Tables at restaurants, bars and banquet facilities must be spaced 6 feet apart unless there is a physical barrier between them.
Restrictions on congregating and social distancing requirements do not apply to religious observances and other First Amendment activity. But the face mask requirements do apply.
Both the original and amended orders consolidated 18 different health orders. Instead of limiting gatherings to 10 people, the orders suggest distancing and limiting the grouping of people within large gatherings to 10.

DeWine has said all health orders, including the mask mandate, would be lifted when Ohio reaches a rate of 50 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 residents during a two-week period. That number was 183.7 on Thursday. {So, 2030 or thereabouts?]
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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3290 on: April 12, 2021, 02:45:19 PM »
The problem is, you can't identify who the non-infected are. 

Vaccinations don't guarantee you are not infected. 

Tests do not guarantee you are not infected. 

Having been infected before doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

Wearing masks and social distancing doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

Displaying a QR code on your smartphone doesn't guarantee you are not infected.

So, if you don't know who is infected and who isn't to a certainty, you have to restrict the freedoms of everyone.  No groups in your "solution" are having their freedoms protected, because the individuals can't be accurately assigned to those groups with any reasonable degree of certainty.  The person determined to not be infected today may be infected tomorrow in spite of vaccinations, prior infection or tests taken.

Because you cant identify exactly who they are, the majority of people (population) have to suffer for the few?  The majority of people don't smoke should they also suffer for the few?  For their rights to do what they want with their body?  Even if it effects others bodies?   There is a reason why you can smoke all you want in your own house, yet you can't in a restaurant.  The restricted freedoms only apply to public and private (companies/land).  They are not forced into camps or jail.  And it is the opinion of yourself that the easiest way of identifying the covid immune (passports) is a horrible idea.  Which would lead to less restrictions and being able to identify people. 

While there is no guarantee, there a reasonable chance if you follow certain protocols.  Just like the there is no guarantee not to be hit my a random meteorite,  taking to account probability is key.  Freedoms are always limited in a nation-state.  Drivers licenses. Exams, citizenship, draft, vaccination, education degrees and a billion different things can lead to varying degrees of "freedom".  Yet many people don't complain.  This is because that's how a country work.  If you are pro draft than you should be pro covid protocols.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3291 on: April 12, 2021, 03:06:59 PM »
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Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3292 on: April 12, 2021, 03:11:03 PM »
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Way to go insulting most people on this forum.
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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3293 on: April 12, 2021, 03:21:07 PM »
Way to go insulting most people on this forum.

What? Posted a meme, might of been too triggering so I edited and found a better one to post later...

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Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3294 on: April 12, 2021, 03:23:41 PM »
What? Posted a meme, might of been too triggering so I edited and found a better one to post later...
Calling people who don’t believe in mask wearing a bunch of clowns is what I call insulting. Don’t play innocent with your “What?” Question.

Ridiculous.
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LOCKDOWNS DON’T WORK!!! THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!!

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3295 on: April 12, 2021, 03:39:56 PM »
Calling people who don’t believe in mask wearing a bunch of clowns is what I call insulting. Don’t play innocent with your “What?” Question.

Ridiculous.

I mean if you elaborated I would understand, wasn't aware you saw the original post.  Also that's exactly why I edited it. Its not directly insulting so it probably wouldn't break forum rules, but I would rather not needlessly enrage people on this thread.  We almost had a decent conversation recently. 

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Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3296 on: April 12, 2021, 03:54:23 PM »
I mean if you elaborated I would understand, wasn't aware you saw the original post.  Also that's exactly why I edited it. Its not directly insulting so it probably wouldn't break forum rules, but I would rather not needlessly enrage people on this thread.  We almost had a decent conversation recently.
I elaborated enough that you understand EXACTLY what I am saying, Quit trying to play innocent. AGAIN. I think it is insulting and I think it does break forum rules. Why don’t you post it back up and let everyone here decide how they feel about it? Maybe the moderators will let you keep it up. That is why you put it up, right? To insult everyone here?

Yes we did almost have a decent conversation. I just wish you knew what you were saying. I can’t have a conversation with someone who doesn’t understand (or doesn’t care) about the unintended consequences of what they are saying and then tries to argue with me about it. And when I told you I didn’t appreciate your arguing with me you came back and argued about not arguing with me. 🤦‍♂️
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LOCKDOWNS DON’T WORK!!! THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!!

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3297 on: April 12, 2021, 04:27:32 PM »
I elaborated enough that you understand EXACTLY what I am saying, Quit trying to play innocent. AGAIN. I think it is insulting and I think it does break forum rules. Why don’t you post it back up and let everyone here decide how they feel about it? Maybe the moderators will let you keep it up. That is why you put it up, right? To insult everyone here?

Yes we did almost have a decent conversation. I just wish you knew what you were saying. I can’t have a conversation with someone who doesn’t understand (or doesn’t care) about the unintended consequences of what they are saying and then tries to argue with me about it. And when I told you I didn’t appreciate your arguing with me you came back and argued about not arguing with me. 🤦‍♂️

I was not going to let the conversation die there without any input explaining my position.  I am not a communist.  But I am a realist. It is unfortunate that we were not able to continue the discussion.   We have different viewpoints of life and freedom.   Insulting is a broad term,  its not directly insulted, if you are insulted then that's on yourself.  If we really wanted to get petty your last part of your last sentence could be "insulting". 

The following link is not directed to anyone in particular and is posted only be request.  I found it funny.


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« Reply #3298 on: April 12, 2021, 05:16:17 PM »


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Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3299 on: April 12, 2021, 05:31:12 PM »
To a communist the state is God and can do no wrong. They have hundreds of millions of bodies to prove it.