The COVID Cult (Read 100664 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3300 on: April 12, 2021, 06:05:44 PM »
Because you cant identify exactly who they are, the majority of people (population) have to suffer for the few?  The majority of people don't smoke should they also suffer for the few?  For their rights to do what they want with their body?  Even if it effects others bodies?   There is a reason why you can smoke all you want in your own house, yet you can't in a restaurant.  The restricted freedoms only apply to public and private (companies/land).  They are not forced into camps or jail.  And it is the opinion of yourself that the easiest way of identifying the covid immune (passports) is a horrible idea.  Which would lead to less restrictions and being able to identify people. 

While there is no guarantee, there a reasonable chance if you follow certain protocols.  Just like the there is no guarantee not to be hit my a random meteorite,  taking to account probability is key.  Freedoms are always limited in a nation-state.  Drivers licenses. Exams, citizenship, draft, vaccination, education degrees and a billion different things can lead to varying degrees of "freedom".  Yet many people don't complain.  This is because that's how a country work.  If you are pro draft than you should be pro covid protocols.

Did I say that?  Sort of.  The liberties being taken from the unvaccinated in favor of allow only those people designated by government and whatever medical process they devise is the problem.  Nobody is "suffering" if people who are uninfected don't have a passport or QR code to tell others they are "valid".  Yet, people who may be infected can be designated "valid" because nothing the government does in terms of determining status can prevent it.  It can get close, but not exact. 

Imagine a judicial system that locks up people based on the current level of gov't COVID incompetence in determining who is safe and who is not.  You want to have your actual freedom taken away based on that system?
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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3301 on: April 12, 2021, 06:14:57 PM »
Did I say that?  Sort of.  The liberties being taken from the unvaccinated in favor of allow only those people designated by government and whatever medical process they devise is the problem.  Nobody is "suffering" if people who are uninfected don't have a passport or QR code to tell others they are "valid".  Yet, people who may be infected can be designated "valid" because nothing the government does in terms of determining status can prevent it.  It can get close, but not exact. 

Imagine a judicial system that locks up people based on the current level of gov't COVID incompetence in determining who is safe and who is not.  You want to have your actual freedom taken away based on that system?

In essence though, I would imagine a death of a loved one because of covid would qualify for "suffering".  Having a passport or any other means of proving they are vaccinated or otherwise immune would give a very favorable percentage chance of not passing on covid.  Thus those that are vaccinated can resume "normal" life without risking others lives.  The government isn't dictating who and can't have an vaccine as it will be available to all.  There is no discrimination based on something an individual can't control.  Much like the justice system locks up drunk drivers even though they may never kill anyone but the government deemed them to be a risk to the public as a whole.  The government has determined that drunk drivers are not safe, based on evidence and science.  Even if that takes away the drunks persons freedom to drive.  The government does not take away the persons right to drink.  But what actions they can do when drunk. 

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/04/05/children-losing-parents-covid-040521

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3302 on: April 12, 2021, 06:17:45 PM »
In essence though, I would imagine a death of a loved one because of covid would qualify for "suffering".  Having a passport or any other means of proving they are vaccinated or otherwise immune would give a very favorable percentage chance of not passing on covid.  Thus those that are vaccinated can resume "normal" life without risking others lives.  The government isn't dictating who and can't have an vaccine as it will be available to all.  There is no discrimination based on something an individual can't control.  Much like the justice system locks up drunk drivers even though they may never kill anyone but the government deemed them to be a risk to the public as a whole.  The government has determined that drunk drivers are not safe, based on evidence and science.  Even if that takes away the drunks persons freedom to drive.  The government does not take away the persons right to drink.  But what actions they can do when drunk. 

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/04/05/children-losing-parents-covid-040521

You make the assumption that most "loved ones" will die if infected.

The death rate for infected patients is super low.

You're arguing for mass tyranny to prevent a very minor number of deaths.
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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3303 on: April 12, 2021, 06:43:58 PM »
You make the assumption that most "loved ones" will die if infected.

The death rate for infected patients is super low.

You're arguing for mass tyranny to prevent a very minor number of deaths.

We invaded a whole country for 9-11 and only "few" died.  Covid has claimed far more.  We also did the same thing several times in the past with other pandemics.  And after they were gone we got all our rights back.  Still waiting to get them back from 9-11. 

Would you take a 2% chance to lose your parents? 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3304 on: April 12, 2021, 07:30:44 PM »
We invaded a whole country for 9-11 and only "few" died.  Covid has claimed far more.  We also did the same thing several times in the past with other pandemics.  And after they were gone we got all our rights back.  Still waiting to get them back from 9-11. 

Would you take a 2% chance to lose your parents?

Now you think taking away our liberty for The War on Terror creates a precedence for taking away our liberty for The War on COVID?

The number of COVID deaths was inflated.  How do we know?  Now that Biden is in office, the way in which COVID deaths are categorized has been changed to a more honest method.  Someone killed in a car crash is no longer identified as a COVID-related death just because they tested positive.
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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3305 on: April 12, 2021, 07:51:56 PM »
Now you think taking away our liberty for The War on Terror creates a precedence for taking away our liberty for The War on COVID?

The number of COVID deaths was inflated.  How do we know?  Now that Biden is in office, the way in which COVID deaths are categorized has been changed to a more honest method.  Someone killed in a car crash is no longer identified as a COVID-related death just because they tested positive.

I'm not aware of this,  from what I see there is plenty of covid deaths.  Over 100k since he gained office.   

I am saying that covid liberty loss if continued from past instances is only temporary and for the sake of this nation. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3306 on: April 12, 2021, 09:23:01 PM »
I'm not aware of this,  from what I see there is plenty of covid deaths.  Over 100k since he gained office.   

I am saying that covid liberty loss if continued from past instances is only temporary and for the sake of this nation.

Try using Google.  I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Even a temporary loss of liberty is a violation of the Constitution.  Emergency Powers have time limits.  So far, I've not seen Congress pass a bill to extend that.

And, yes, some states doing this same tyrannical BS are having the emergency orders struck down IN A COURT OF LAW AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

That's what we call "a clue".
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macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3307 on: April 12, 2021, 09:31:21 PM »

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3308 on: April 13, 2021, 07:56:45 AM »
Six people affected out of 7 million injected? Why would the authorities (CDC and FDA) even consider a halt for that minute level of extreme adverse reaction? Unless 1. one of those six was related to a "big wig", or 2. they know something else they aren't revealing.

From hard-left leaning MarketWatch.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/federal-health-agencies-to-call-for-pause-in-use-of-jj-vaccine-over-blood-clotting-disorder-new-york-times-2021-04-13

UPDATE: FDA and CDC call for pause in use of J&J vaccine over blood clotting disorder
Published: April 13, 2021 at 7:24 a.m. ET
By Ciara Linnane
 
The two leading federal public health agencies called for an immediate pause in the use of the Johnson & Johnson JNJ, -1.95% COVID-19 vaccine on Tuesday, after six recipients in the U.S. developed a rare disorder involving blood clots within six to 13 days after being vaccinated. The news was first reported by the New York Times, citing officials briefed on the decision. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said all six were women aged between 18 and 48 and emphasized that the adverse events appear to be "extremely rare." "In these cases, a type of blood clot called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) was seen in combination with low levels of blood platelets (thrombocytopenia)," Dr. Peter Marks, director of the FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research and Dr. Anne Schuchat, Principal Deputy Director of the CDC said in a statement. So far, nearly 7 million Americans have received J&J shots, and about 9 million more have been delivered to states, CDC data shows. Scientists from the FDA and CDC will jointly investigate possible links between the vaccine and the clotting disorder and determine whether it should continue to be used or be limited. An emergency meeting of the CDC's outside advisory committee has been scheduled for Wednesday. "Until that process is complete, we are recommending a pause in the use of this vaccine out of an abundance of caution," said the statement. Regulators in Europe are concerned about a similar issue with another coronavirus vaccine, developed by AstraZeneca PLC AZN, -0.85% AZN, -0.80% and Oxford University researchers. J&J shares slid 3.3% premarket, but are up 2.7% in the year to date through Monday, while the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -0.42% has gained 10.3%.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3309 on: April 13, 2021, 08:01:58 AM »
I have to repeat myself: Anyone who thinks, or ever thought, THE VIRUS!!! and SAFETY CULT is about a microbe, are deluded as useful idiots.

https://www.aier.org/article/on-vaccine-passports-and-the-interpretation-of-reality/

On Vaccine Passports and the Interpretation of Reality

“Where I see liberal civilization being brutally transformed by a Covidocracy into what David Hart calls a ‘hygiene socialist’ society, other people see civilization being compassionately reset into a safer and more humane arrangement in which, presumably, no one ever again will be killed or even discomforted by pathogens. Where other people see a dream, I see a nightmare.” ~ Donald J. Boudreaux



punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3310 on: April 13, 2021, 08:02:48 AM »
And, again...

https://www.aier.org/article/the-free-world-died-of-covid-19/

The Free World Died of Covid-19

“The demand for the recognition of basic human freedoms will soon become too obvious to ignore. There are many paths for a new Free World to emerge, but for now, the old Free World as a uniting force for Western values is a relic of history.” ~ Jordan Schachtel

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3311 on: April 13, 2021, 08:08:41 AM »
what many are ignoring, despite us talking about this since at least the middle of last year...

https://twitter.com/cov19treatments/status/1381916761109504007

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3312 on: April 13, 2021, 08:51:49 AM »
Court of Law: masks don't work. Not that any court of law was needed. Anyone could have read the existing peer reviewed studies re masks in the past 15 months and known all along that masks don't stop the transmission of viruses in the general public. It just shows that this court can read and comprehend... or in this case perhaps, listen, hear and comprehend.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3313 on: April 13, 2021, 01:17:22 PM »
So, J&J is now following AstraZeneca in "pausing" vaccinations over "rare" blood clotting problems.

This is one of the side-effects the "crazy conspiracy nuts" have been warning about -- not specifically, but it falls under  "we don't know, because the trials were insufficient before mass use".

"I told you so" is lacking when you've died of an aneurysm or embolism.
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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3314 on: April 13, 2021, 01:39:56 PM »
So, J&J is now following AstraZeneca in "pausing" vaccinations over "rare" blood clotting problems.

This is one of the side-effects the "crazy conspiracy nuts" have been warning about -- not specifically, but it falls under  "we don't know, because the trials were insufficient before mass use".

"I told you so" is lacking when you've died of an aneurysm or embolism.
To be a little more precise, it's NOT J&J that is "pausing" vaccinations, it is the CDC and FDA. and they are only making a "recommendation" that has no force of law, people and physicians are still free to obtain the J&J injection if they so choose. J&J asserts that there has been no causal connection made between their vaccine and the reported cerebral venous thrombosis, but they say they are willing to look at the evidence. The claim from CDC and FDA is that they need a few days to make the medical community aware of the signs and symptoms and the proper treatment for the condition... the vaccination pause will only be a matter of a very few days.

Dr. Steven Hatfield on WarRoom Pandemic today claimed that hydroxychloroquine has been an effective treatment if administered within 5 days of the onset of symptoms and Fauci et al who bad-mouthed the therapeutic are responsible for hundreds of thousands of needless deaths. He hinted that misinformation from Fauci et al had a financial motive.

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Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3315 on: April 13, 2021, 01:55:55 PM »
Just remember:

If they kill you or your family you are not allowed to sue

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3316 on: April 13, 2021, 02:05:27 PM »
Fleming starts off with some info about his credentials and experience and goes on to use the data from all three manufacturers as presented in their request for Emergency Use Authorization to indict them. I'd love to se a debate between this guy and Fauci... Fauci the floor mop.

“In the animal model, they develop spongiform encephalitis, Mad Cow disease,” Fleming said. “We also know 2 weeks afterwards they develop Lewy bodies…which cause Alzheimer’s and neurological disorders (various forms of dementia).”

Our guests are: Dr. Richard M. Fleming

12 minutes.

https://rumble.com/vfmufz-vaccine-companies-own-data-shows-zero-difference-in-stopping-covid-but-may-.html

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3317 on: April 13, 2021, 02:09:46 PM »
Just remember:

If they kill you or your family you are not allowed to sue
True, but you can apply to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and maybe win your case to get some money from the government.

Good luck proving that one particular individual's adverse reaction (especially if there are not dozens or hundreds or thousands of other similar responses) resulting in permanent injury or death was unequivocally caused by the vaccine.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3318 on: April 13, 2021, 02:18:42 PM »
To be a little more precise, it's NOT J&J that is "pausing" vaccinations, it is the CDC and FDA. and they are only making a "recommendation" that has no force of law, people and physicians are still free to obtain the J&J injection if they so choose. J&J asserts that there has been no causal connection made between their vaccine and the reported cerebral venous thrombosis, but they say they are willing to look at the evidence. The claim from CDC and FDA is that they need a few days to make the medical community aware of the signs and symptoms and the proper treatment for the condition... the vaccination pause will only be a matter of a very few days.

Dr. Steven Hatfield on WarRoom Pandemic today claimed that hydroxychloroquine has been an effective treatment if administered within 5 days of the onset of symptoms and Fauci et al who bad-mouthed the therapeutic are responsible for hundreds of thousands of needless deaths. He hinted that misinformation from Fauci et al had a financial motive.

True. 

The take-away is the FDA, CDC, vaccine makers and politicians have been pushing vaccines on the population.  The "pause" demonstrates that the experts are just as in the dark as they were when predicting 2M deaths at the pandemic's beginning.  They are making recommendations that affect everyone who trusts them, but there's no accountability for poor judgement or incompetence.

Track records of these people are not stellar.  Anything they recommend should be taken with a grain of salt the size of a salt lick!
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3319 on: April 13, 2021, 02:34:41 PM »
Had his vaccinations months ago.

Has access to the top healthcare professionals in the world.

Still wears a mask everywhere.

This is the BEST advertisement AGAINST the vaccine you could ask for.

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