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General Topics => Health, Fitness, and First Aid => Topic started by: drck1000 on May 24, 2017, 08:59:19 AM
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What's in your medical kit(s)? And where do you buy supplies?
I have a kit in my range bag, one in my car and a real basic one that I have in my work backpack.
Some real basic things I have in the kit are gauze and elastic bandages. I also have Israeli (or similar) bandages in some as well as hemostatic gauze/pads in others. I have a chest seal and nasal airway in the range kit that came with a complete IFAK as well as the car kit. The range and car kits have basic stuff like bandaids and athletic tape. Those are the items that get used most often. Most kits have shears and nitrile gloves. The range kit and car kits have CAT tourniquets as well.
I've been shown the proper use of items like decompression needles and nasal airway, but I generally don't have those items in my kits. I thought about getting those to have them available for use by personnel trained to use those items, but haven't really yet.
Some of the sites that I've been buying medical supplies recently:
http://www.chinookmed.com/ (http://www.chinookmed.com/)
Lots of good stuff and easy to find what I wanted and at good prices. However, shipping can be pretty steep.
https://www.liveactionsafety.com/ (https://www.liveactionsafety.com/)
Pretty good prices and what I wanted. Decent shipping.
I have been avoiding Amazon for medical stuff because of concerns on quality. Some EMT/medic friends said many vendors are ok as long as the codes are correct, but many times I found that the prices weren't lower than other online vendors.
I've shopped at shopmedvet.com. They have TONS of stuff, but site seems tougher to navigate to find items, at least for me.
I have a kit from Dark Angel Medical. Others companies that I was referred to include ITS Tactical and North American Rescue.
One thing that I am wary of is rotating items that are left in my car kit since my car is parked in the hot sun where I work.
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I use Medical Gear Outfitters (Skinny medic). I mainly used them for my TQ's and verified with North American Rescue that they are an authorized distributor.
In my med kit are the following:
1) CAT TQ
2) Celox granules
3) 2 Band-aids
3) Athletic tape
4) 4X4 gauze
5) Israeli Bandage
I want to add combat gauze soon for wound packing.
In my car, I have the following:
1) 2 CAT TQ's
2) Quick Clot
3) Israeli Bandage
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One more thing that I forgot to add was all kits have duct tape. Some have a small roll. Some have a flat section that is about 3 yards (I think).
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That plus having come across fake or poor/cheap quality stuff on Amazon lately has me wary of purchases, especially for items like these.
Another thing that spurred looking for medical supplies lately is that a family member is on blood thinners, so I wanted to be sure to have supplies on hand for them.
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For my range bag I got the Skinny Medic Pouch only has it in red now $44.99 and Free shipping.
http://shop.skinnymedic.com/Skinny-Medic-Pouch-smpouchred.htm
https://youtu.be/6CytxvQb8T8
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For my range bag I got the Skinny Medic Pouch only has it in red now $44.99 and Free shipping.
Why is that particular pouch itself so expensive? They have similar sized pouches in complete kits for the same price.
http://shop.skinnymedic.com/Red-First-Aid-Medical-Kit-MOLLE-Pouch-redsmall.htm (http://shop.skinnymedic.com/Red-First-Aid-Medical-Kit-MOLLE-Pouch-redsmall.htm)
Not questioning your choice of pouch, but just wondering if there's something special about that particular pouch since they have other pouches that are about half the price.
There are pouches from places like Dark Angel (DARK Gen 4) and ITS (FatBoy) that are about the same price or more, but those pouches seem more specialized.
I had heard of the company before. Was checking out their website and they seem to have pretty good stuff. If they have free shipping on most/all orders, I might have to check them out more often.
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I got a same size pouch from Amazon for $14. It also has the First Aid patch in velcro. Molle straps are the same as skinny medics one.
https://www.amazon.com/Orca-Tactical-MOLLE-Medical-First/dp/B015QHZBEG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495742046&sr=8-1&keywords=med+pouch
Mines is red, but amazon has them in other colors also. But I'm not in the bush so don't have to worry about blending in to the background. That's why I got the red one so people can clearly see its a med kit. I put it on my plate carrier when at the range and in my gym bag when at the gym.
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I got a same size pouch from Amazon for $14. It also has the First Aid patch in velcro. Molle straps are the same as skinny medics one.
https://www.amazon.com/Orca-Tactical-MOLLE-Medical-First/dp/B015QHZBEG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495742046&sr=8-1&keywords=med+pouch
Mines is red, but amazon has them in other colors also. But I'm not in the bush so don't have to worry about blending in to the background. That's why I got the red one so people can clearly see its a med kit. I put it on my plate carrier when at the range and in my gym bag when at the gym.
There are a lot of those pouches on Amazon. However, I've also come across a lot of cheap crap items lately on Amazon, so I try to stick to known quality manufacturers at least if I am going to buy from Amazon. While I a med pouch isn't likely to need to hold up to abuse of something like a daily backpack, I've seen cheaper pouches and bags where the seams and zippers give way pretty quick.
I have one from Chinook and it was about $10. It was a non-Berry compliant version, which was fine for me.
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Why is that particular pouch itself so expensive?
Made in USA!
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For pouch size med kits, I got a ATS and a ESSTAC pouch from SKD. The ATS is the pull away type on a battle belt setup. I used to have the ESSTAC on a gunbelt for my 12 ga. or 1894C , but decided to streamline the belt and placed the blowout pouch on a possibles bag strap. However the belt carries a TQ in a double taco pouch. ATS has more stuff including for booboos, but generally has gauze pads, tape, TQ, Celox, compression bandages, shears. The ATS only has compression bandages, Celox, gauze pads, tape. Keep an extra TQ on the side pouch of the possibles bag.
My group kit is in a range bag bought from ebags. Attached a front pouch to the outside for extreme blood loss situations and a side pouch for booboos to keep from having to rummage inside and disturb the items segregated in ziplock bags. Also keep a Casio digital watch and a small light on the outside of the range bag kit. Keep OTMs bought from Longs, Walgreens, Costco, Walmart in a plastic toolbox staged with the range bag kit.
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Made in USA!
:thumbsup:
I was looking for primarily function/size and good quality for the two pouches that I currently have for my car and a misc kit, but didn't pay attention much to origin. Though one pouch that I had that was non-Berry compliant (fully USA sourced), was about a third of the price of the Berry compliant pouch. For that kind of pricing, as long as it's good quality, I'm going to go with the less expensive.
For pouch size med kits, I got a ATS and a ESSTAC pouch from SKD. The ATS is the pull away type on a battle belt setup. I used to have the ESSTAC on a gunbelt for my 12 ga. or 1894C , but decided to streamline the belt and placed the blowout pouch on a possibles bag strap. However the belt carries a TQ in a double taco pouch. ATS has more stuff including for booboos, but generally has gauze pads, tape, TQ, Celox, compression bandages, shears. The ATS only has compression bandages, Celox, gauze pads, tape. Keep an extra TQ on the side pouch of the possibles bag.
My group kit is in a range bag bought from ebags. Attached a front pouch to the outside for extreme blood loss situations and a side pouch for booboos to keep from having to rummage inside and disturb the items segregated in ziplock bags. Also keep a Casio digital watch and a small light on the outside of the range bag kit. Keep OTMs bought from Longs, Walgreens, Costco, Walmart in a plastic toolbox staged with the range bag kit.
Both the ESSTAC and ATS look like great pouches, but I really like the ATS one. Both are on sale this week at SKD and their 15% off site wide sale.
Cost of med supplies add up quickly. Good to rotate out slowly. Before I got into shooting, I had basic booboo type kits, but those are pretty much everyday items. When I started putting together the kits specifically for the range and other "higher level" type stuff, it got pricey as I didn't have anything to start with. I've since also gotten some training on the use of the items and can always use more. Yeah, you can learn a lot from YouTube, but good to be able to ask questions of EMTs, medics, Corpsman, etc.
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ICblk01GT gave me a GREAT DEAL on a military med bag which I filled thusly.
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ICblk01GT gave me a GREAT DEAL on a military med bag which I filled thusly.
From what I can see, that box wasn't cheap. Where'd you order from?
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From what I can see, that box wasn't cheap. Where'd you order from?
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There was more to the box than you see.
Added more gauze,
Celox plunger's :shake: :shake:, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0123DT4RQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Sting relief, Iodine swab sticks, eyewash etc...
Actually made 3 kits for about $300.00 full of stuff I hope to never use.
One for the shop/range, one for work truck (used already :crazy:), one for home.
So about $100 each.
All from Amazon.
If you want the list of links, LMK
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There was more to the box than you see.
Added more gauze,
Celox plunger's :shake: :shake:, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0123DT4RQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Sting relief, Iodine swab sticks, eyewash etc...
Actually made 3 kits for about $300.00 full of stuff I hope to never use.
One for the shop/range, one for work truck (used already :crazy:), one for home.
So about $100 each.
All from Amazon.
If you want the list of links, LMK
The hemostatic stuff gets expensive and the smaller items add up as well.
I looked for stuff on Amazon, but the pricing was about the same as other reputable online vendors. Sometimes the online vendors were cheaper. The shipping on Amazon was better though. I was a little wary of authenticity of some of the items, so I went with trusted online vendors. Was just wondering about other online vendors were folks shop at.
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I put together a traditional Soviet medical kit
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I put together a traditional Soviet medical kit
;D
Did you mean these?
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/hammer-sickle-18988516.jpg)
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Heres an interesting one i just picked up.
(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/18767944_10158782403880634_2695106814528007283_n.jpg?oh=aa329a3caf0a9107c09b581070dc15eb&oe=599FBE2A)
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Heres an interesting one i just picked up.
(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/18767944_10158782403880634_2695106814528007283_n.jpg?oh=aa329a3caf0a9107c09b581070dc15eb&oe=599FBE2A)
Did you pick that up as a kit? Or ordered a bunch of individual items?
When I was first looking for kits, many had lots of good stuff, but almost all of the kits I was interested either had 1-2 items I didn't want or need or was missing something. The missing part wasn't a big deal as always can supplement. Many kits available are less than getting individual items. Now that I have built a number of different kits, I plan to rotate stuff here and there and now have a good amount of online vendors to get those items from.
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Did you pick that up as a kit? Or ordered a bunch of individual items?
When I was first looking for kits, many had lots of good stuff, but almost all of the kits I was interested either had 1-2 items I didn't want or need or was missing something. The missing part wasn't a big deal as always can supplement. Many kits available are less than getting individual items. Now that I have built a number of different kits, I plan to rotate stuff here and there and now have a good amount of online vendors to get those items from.
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its a kit, Has some BS items in it like the techniques and para cord but for the price i was willing to get it. everything is dated a couple of years out. was $38 shipped.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122234508949?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122234508949?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
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Do the Syringes come with needles, or not?
:shaka:
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Do the Syringes come with needles, or not?
:shaka:
Yes.
the 2 on the left are saline for irigation, The 2 on the right (in paper packets) have the needles in a pack on top of them.
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its a kit, Has some BS items in it like the techniques and para cord but for the price i was willing to get it. everything is dated a couple of years out. was $38 shipped.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122234508949?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122234508949?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
That's cool. I've been more leery of buying med stuff on eBay or even Amazon due to risk of poor quality stuff here and there. I've luckily found a few online vendors that have been recommended by EMT and medic friends. Pretty good prices for the most part, so that's good. But buying med stuff, especially if you're just starting and putting something together can be expensive as well as time consuming trying to find all the components you need or even want.
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That's cool. I've been more leery of buying med stuff on eBay or even Amazon due to risk of poor quality stuff here and there. I've luckily found a few online vendors that have been recommended by EMT and medic friends. Pretty good prices for the most part, so that's good. But buying med stuff, especially if you're just starting and putting something together can be expensive as well as time consuming trying to find all the components you need or even want.
Just have understand what you buy. If what your buying (like CAT's) is the in thing then people are going to make fakes, hell even the company's that make the originals cut corners and compromise quality for profit.
Best way to work it on Ebay is look for people selling 1 type of item and not a wish wash of everything. If a guy makes all his money selling med supplies hes not going to screw you becasue the feedback will kill him.
But the guys selling cheap everything's, usually are just mass buying crap from china to resell at a bucks profit.
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Just have understand what you buy. If what your buying (like CAT's) is the in thing then people are going to make fakes, hell even the company's that make the originals cut corners and compromise quality for profit.
Best way to work it on Ebay is look for people selling 1 type of item and not a wish wash of everything. If a guy makes all his money selling med supplies hes not going to screw you becasue the feedback will kill him.
But the guys selling cheap everything's, usually are just mass buying crap from china to resell at a bucks profit.
Yeah. I hear you. Even my EMT/medic friends have advised on stuff to look for. CAGE, NSN, etc codes. Even then, people can post whatever they want. I hear what you're saying about finding the "good" vendors. Just so many and so many different products that I was looking for that I decided to just bite the bullet a bit and go with reputable vendors. That's also kind of why I started this thread. To build a list of reputable vendors and that includes eBay people.
I've bought a number of lights on eBay recently and have found excellent vendors and I noticed the key you mentioned about sort of a specialty supply being true. It's just for medical supplies, I didn't want to take that chance with what I bought recently. Now that I have built up the various kits that I had in mind, now I can resupply here and there and search for items here and items there.
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yeah that first buy can be a doozie.
When i pull out my big box i will get some photos of the stuff i keep on hand.
I tend to buy in bulk and sotr it away unless its meds and such with an expatriation. I make smaller grab and go kits that i vacume seal and keep on hand.
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I just added some packing gauze about 12 feet worth. Might add a scissors also.
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I was considering buying Nasopharyngeal airways which I got trained with in the army. My father had complications from throat surgery last week where his throat swelled up and he could barely breath. Fortunately the doctor ordered him to stay a couple hours later than normal for observation after the surgery and was able to insert a breathing tube. If he had gone home on time, he could have died from suffocation.
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I was considering buying Nasopharyngeal airways which I got trained with in the army. My father had complications from throat surgery last week where his throat swelled up and he could barely breath. Fortunately the doctor ordered him to stay a couple hours later than normal for observation after the surgery and was able to insert a breathing tube. If he had gone home on time, he could have died from suffocation.
Damn. Sounds like a close call. Hope your pops is doing better! :thumbsup:
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Have had a bunch of different EMT and medic buddies look over my kits and so far mostly "passing". They each had some tips on organization and prioritization, but the contents selected seemed good to go. Added some minor stuff like more plain square gauze for "light/general" use as well as seemingly coming in handy for other more, uh, intense situations.
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Have had a bunch of different EMT and medic buddies look over my kits and so far mostly "passing". They each had some tips on organization and prioritization, but the contents selected seemed good to go. Added some minor stuff like more plain square gauze for "light/general" use as well as seemingly coming in handy for other more, uh, intense situations.
I had a thought that the IFAK will be basically used to prevent blood loss because I am not in the bush and fire/EMT will be accessible. So a TQ would be the most valuable tool in the kit due to death from blood loss can be minutes. This concept in mind keeps me from adding everything plus the kitchen sink in my kit.
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I had a thought that the IFAK will be basically used to prevent blood loss because I am not in the bush and fire/EMT will be accessible. So a TQ would be the most valuable tool in the kit due to death from blood loss can be minutes. This concept in mind keeps me from adding everything plus the kitchen sink in my kit.
Depends what the use is. I have IFAK for range and stuff, but I also put together med kits for my car and work bag that are meant for a wider range of stuff. From small cuts and scraps, vehicle accident, etc. I also have stuff in some kits that I am not the best trained for (came with kits), but my thinking is it's better to have it available for someone who is trained to use. TQs are an important part of all the kits.
Regarding use, that's very much personal. Realize that it can take a while for fire/EMT to reach you, even in urban locations.
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Depends what the use is. I have IFAK for range and stuff, but I also put together med kits for my car and work bag that are meant for a wider range of stuff. From small cuts and scraps, vehicle accident, etc. I also have stuff in some kits that I am not the best trained for (came with kits), but my thinking is it's better to have it available for someone who is trained to use. TQs are an important part of all the kits.
Regarding use, that's very much personal. Realize that it can take a while for fire/EMT to reach you, even in urban locations.
I wish there were classes offered to teach civilians how to use this stuff.
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I wish there were classes offered to teach civilians how to use this stuff.
Locally, there are only some CC type stuff.
I know of classes available on the mainland (TCCC and the like) that are offered for civilians. Get enough commitment, I know of at least one that would do the class here, but it's not cheap.
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Kmcocepts had some first aid classes. My friend teaches outdoor survival aid classes here. Forgot what the school was called. Im sure red cross and KCC must have more advanced programs.
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Kmcocepts had some first aid classes. My friend teaches outdoor survival aid classes here. Forgot what the school was called. Im sure red cross and KCC must have more advanced programs.
KCC offers an EMT certificate, Costs around $4500. Ive been looking at it for a while, trying to justify the cost with the wife.
https://www.kapiolani.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/EMT-Admissions-and-Advising2017.pdf (https://www.kapiolani.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/EMT-Admissions-and-Advising2017.pdf)
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KCC offers an EMT certificate, Costs around $4500. Ive been looking at it for a while, trying to justify the cost with the wife.
https://www.kapiolani.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/EMT-Admissions-and-Advising2017.pdf (https://www.kapiolani.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/EMT-Admissions-and-Advising2017.pdf)
That's the class that I was thinking about. An EMT friend suggested taking that one.
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That's the class that I was thinking about. An EMT friend suggested taking that one.
The problem is you need all the prerequisites AND they have to decide to take you. You have an oral interview and basically they decide if they want to have you on the course.
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The problem is you need all the prerequisites AND they have to decide to take you. You have an oral interview and basically they decide if they want to have you on the course.
Yeah, it was described as more of a program than just a single course. The time and money commitment for me was too much. At least right now.
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The problem is you need all the prerequisites AND they have to decide to take you. You have an oral interview and basically they decide if they want to have you on the course.
Sounds like it's not a course designed for people just wanting education for their personal interest, but more for those going into the EMT field for work. Like the firefighters course UH (I think) offers.
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How often do you guys actively rotate out supplies? I mean stuff that doesn't have expiration dates. Like gauze, bandaids, etc.
The booboo pouch in my range bag gets used once in a while, so the bandaids get refilled every now and then. The item that gets used the most is actually a roll of cloth athletic tape. Super useful for a wide range of things and I always have a roll around, even in my golf bag.
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How often do you guys actively rotate out supplies? I mean stuff that doesn't have expiration dates. Like gauze, bandaids, etc.
The booboo pouch in my range bag gets used once in a while, so the bandaids get refilled every now and then. The item that gets used the most is actually a roll of cloth athletic tape. Super useful for a wide range of things and I always have a roll around, even in my golf bag.
I do a function check on the TQ once a year, and the QuickClot when the XP date is (check once a year). Everything else doesn't expire.
For my TQ in the car, every few months due to it being left in the center consul and the heat.
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Sounds like it's not a course designed for people just wanting education for their personal interest, but more for those going into the EMT field for work. Like the firefighters course UH (I think) offers.
You can send a request to the Red Cross or KCC and see if they can create a class if you can find a group of people that want to do it.
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I'm looking to update my IFAK and am looking for one that I can attach to my back on my plate carrier and grab with either hand.
Something that's maybe held in with an elastic sleeve and handles on both left and right side that I can pull and the entire kit comes out. So the elastic sleeve attaches to the plate carrier via MOLLE clips and is used to hold the IFAK in place.
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I'm looking to update my IFAK and am looking for one that I can attach to my back on my plate carrier and grab with either hand.
Something that's maybe held in with an elastic sleeve and handles on both left and right side that I can pull and the entire kit comes out. So the elastic sleeve attaches to the plate carrier via MOLLE clips and is used to hold the IFAK in place.
I have the Dark Angel IFAK and the vacuum sealed contents can be retrieved with either hand by pulling on a small tab as long as you can reach.
ITS Tactical also had pouches that can be opened from a loop on the top that sort of opens the pouch. They also have these fast tabs where you pull on the tabs and the clips slide out from the MOLLE loops and the entire pouch falls free. As long as you have a MOLLE pouch, you can use those fast tabs (called Molly stix).
https://store.itstactical.com/molly-stix-pair.html (https://store.itstactical.com/molly-stix-pair.html)
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I bought a box of equate rolled gauze and surgical dressing from walmart and used a food vacuum/seal machines to compress and seal them into a plastic food bag. I wouldn't say they're the best option but they seemed cheap, they do seem to work, and are an option.
I do have israeli bandages, H&H, and oales modular bandages on hand but I wanted to explore options that you can get at the local supermarket and ways to store them than ordering online. Serious medical equipment isn't all that easy to come by on the east side of the big island if there is anywhere that does stock them.
(https://i.imgur.com/Sm5wJwK.jpg)
I used the duct tape idea that I learned from skinnymedic (youtube) where you put a long strip of duct tape above the slit where the bandage wrapping tears open so that you can get a better grip/surface area to grab while tearing in a case your hands are soaked in blood and sweat.
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SNIP
Serious medical equipment isn't all that easy to come by on the east side of the big island if there is anywhere that does stock them.
Beyond simple stuff like bandaids, gauze squares, tape, etc. I've got most online. Many healthcare professionals have told me the same. A family member had a home nurse come by for a couple of months and during that time, they brought stuff to take care of a wound that was healing. Even they said better to go online. Some sites have so much stuff though that you kind of have to know what you're looking for or you'll be searching for a long time, which is something I've noticed. The nurse was cool too and gave me some supplies. I also have good friends who are EMT, medics, etc and they typically have good leads on online sources, which I believe I shared at the beginning of this thread. The list may have grown since. I'd have to go back and check.
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Order online, I use MedicalGearOutfitters (Skinny medic). But the most important would probably a TQ because you can bleed out quickly. A gauze or band-aids aren't life threatening. To bad you aren't on Oahu, London was selling TQ's at his table this past gun show.
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Mil-Spec Dark Angel Medical Kits
Tampons
Pads
Duct Tape
Extra Tourniquets
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Mil-Spec Dark Angel Medical Kits
Tampons
Pads
Duct Tape
Extra Tourniquets
What are the tampons for? nosebleeds? There’s only enough gauze in there for that
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Mil-Spec Dark Angel Medical Kits
Tampons
Pads
Duct Tape
Extra Tourniquets
Theres a video online that packing gauze is far more effective because you get way more.
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What are the tampons for? nosebleeds? There’s only enough gauze in there for that
They're for periods, the greatest medical emergency of all. ;)
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They're for periods, the greatest medical emergency of all. ;)
Seems like you're well prepped for your monthly "emergencies". ;D
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Seems like you're well prepped for your monthly "emergencies". ;D
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gotta make sure the wife is taken care of. Same reason why I don't have any food or water stockpiled... I can always acquire food and water, what you really want to stockpile is toilet paper, and I have a room full of toilet paper. TP = post-apocalyptic gold.