Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation? (Read 1572 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2024, 08:30:37 AM »
You attributed something to cops and then listed things that you do saying it applies to cops so.....

There's vids of this happening. Not only locally, but nationwide as well.  Plus many who have personal XP, including myself when I questioned what was told by HPD at the window about the law.  Notice how he didn't say applies to all cops. So for whataboutism, 2 or more is cop(s).

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2024, 10:30:18 AM »
There's vids of this happening. Not only locally, but nationwide as well.  Plus many who have personal XP, including myself when I questioned what was told by HPD at the window about the law.  Notice how he didn't say applies to all cops. So for whataboutism, 2 or more is cop(s).

The hypocrisy is how often he opines on topics he has zero knowledge of or experience with.

But everyone else needs to shut up unless they are part of the group being criticized.   :crazy:
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

changemyoil66

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2024, 11:29:57 AM »
The hypocrisy is how often he opines on topics he has zero knowledge of or experience with.

But everyone else needs to shut up unless they are part of the group being criticized.   :crazy:

Or maybe he uses confirmation bias. Since he was never told how things need to be done at the HPD firearms window like many have that were incorrect.  I mean, does EEF have to wait in line like everyone else?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2024, 09:58:27 PM »
There's vids of this happening. Not only locally, but nationwide as well.  Plus many who have personal XP, including myself when I questioned what was told by HPD at the window about the law.  Notice how he didn't say applies to all cops. So for whataboutism, 2 or more is cop(s).

"Cops don't like it when you ask them to prove what they say is actually true" clearly is a blanket statement and not referring to two + cops he met.  If he said some cops, many cops, a lot of cops, etc. then it wouldn't be a blanket statement.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2024, 09:59:47 PM »
The hypocrisy is how often he opines on topics he has zero knowledge of or experience with.

But everyone else needs to shut up unless they are part of the group being criticized.   :crazy:

So you claim I am a cop but then suggest I have zero knowledge or experience. Talk about hypocrisy.

macsak

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2024, 10:14:10 PM »
no one is "claiming" you are a cop...

So you claim I am a cop but then suggest I have zero knowledge or experience. Talk about hypocrisy.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2024, 10:30:11 PM »
So you claim I am a cop but then suggest I have zero knowledge or experience. Talk about hypocrisy.

Is it your belief that being on a payroll equates to having knowledge and experience of all areas in the organization?

Reminds me of some people I've seen online:  "I know about the military because my father was enlisted."
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

changemyoil66

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2024, 11:09:39 PM »
"Cops don't like it when you ask them to prove what they say is actually true" clearly is a blanket statement and not referring to two + cops he met.  If he said some cops, many cops, a lot of cops, etc. then it wouldn't be a blanket statement.
Hahahahhaha.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2024, 11:59:17 PM »
Hahahahhaha.

He'd argue if you said the sky is blue.

Nuance.
Objective.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

changemyoil66

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2024, 08:38:20 AM »
He'd argue if you said the sky is blue.

Nuance.
Objective.
Theres also a chance that all cops changed their views since as of my posting within the milisecond it could happen.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2024, 10:49:06 PM »
Is it your belief that being on a payroll equates to having knowledge and experience of all areas in the organization?

Reminds me of some people I've seen online:  "I know about the military because my father was enlisted."

I opine on topics because I have knowledge, unlike you. If I don't have knowledge then I pose questions to have discussions and learn.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2024, 12:54:27 AM »
I opine on topics because I have knowledge, unlike you. If I don't have knowledge then I pose questions to have discussions and learn.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

changemyoil66

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2024, 08:39:56 AM »
I opine on topics because I have knowledge, unlike you. If I don't have knowledge then I pose questions to have discussions and learn.

How do we know you're not trying to get someone to say something they shouldn't be?

How do we know you're not a bot?

How do we know you're even in HI?

How do we know that you're not gathering info to write a book?

How do we know you're not a reporter?

How do we know you're of legal age to own a firearm or not be under your parents/guardian care (18)?

All plausible. #objective #nuance #whataboutism

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2024, 08:56:33 PM »
How do we know you're not trying to get someone to say something they shouldn't be?

Paranoid....

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How do we know you're not a bot?

Is that a thing on forums like this? I've met people on here in person, if I am a bot I must be very advanced and convincing to them.

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How do we know you're even in HI?

Relevance? But to answer, see above.

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How do we know that you're not gathering info to write a book?

Is writing a book a problem? If I did would you buy a copy?

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How do we know you're not a reporter?

I guess you don't, but then again, what would be the issue there? I haven't noticed you say anything that would be newsworthy.

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How do we know you're of legal age to own a firearm or not be under your parents/guardian care (18)?

I would be a very old looking 16 year old.

macsak

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2024, 10:13:55 PM »
swoooooosh

Paranoid....

Is that a thing on forums like this? I've met people on here in person, if I am a bot I must be very advanced and convincing to them.

Relevance? But to answer, see above.

Is writing a book a problem? If I did would you buy a copy?

I guess you don't, but then again, what would be the issue there? I haven't noticed you say anything that would be newsworthy.

I would be a very old looking 16 year old.

changemyoil66

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2024, 07:59:30 AM »
Paranoid....

Is that a thing on forums like this? I've met people on here in person, if I am a bot I must be very advanced and convincing to them.

Relevance? But to answer, see above.

Is writing a book a problem? If I did would you buy a copy?

I guess you don't, but then again, what would be the issue there? I haven't noticed you say anything that would be newsworthy.

I would be a very old looking 16 year old.

SWOOOOSSSHHH X2

Flapp_Jackson

"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

Kentos

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2024, 05:17:42 PM »
No idea, but years ago when I was building my AR I bought just the stripped lower and registered it.  Registration says “caliber multi” or something like that.  So I guess if the firearm is registered as a specific caliber maybe you could be open to prosecution.  Like registering a g22 for ccw, then converting it to .50.  If you got caught with that I don’t doubt they would do all they can to prosecute you.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2024, 06:23:39 PM »
No idea, but years ago when I was building my AR I bought just the stripped lower and registered it.  Registration says “caliber multi” or something like that.  So I guess if the firearm is registered as a specific caliber maybe you could be open to prosecution.  Like registering a g22 for ccw, then converting it to .50.  If you got caught with that I don’t doubt they would do all they can to prosecute you.

Unless you change the firearm to use a caliber that's banned, there's nothing to prosecute AFAIK.

HPD makes mistakes in the registration information all the time.  i have a registration form that says my Mosin-Nagant 91/30 is a semi-auto rifle.  it's not a stretch to blame it on an administrative error.

As far as your g22 example, it's not the same thing.  If the firearm is registered as a frame or receiver only and then completed, there was no "conversion."  The G22, on the other hand, was registered as one caliber and then converted to another.  However, since the serial number remains the same, that, to me, makes it still the same firearm that was registered on the CCW application.

Unless there's a part of the CCW statute that forbids modification of a CCW pistol's size, barrel length, caliber, etc., it's still a pistol or revolver with the same serial number which matches the CCW license paperwork.

That's not a legal opinion.  It's my own opinion based on the process and law as I read it.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

changemyoil66

Re: Is swapping the caliber of an AR rifle or a pistol a violation?
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2024, 11:47:11 AM »
No idea, but years ago when I was building my AR I bought just the stripped lower and registered it.  Registration says “caliber multi” or something like that.  So I guess if the firearm is registered as a specific caliber maybe you could be open to prosecution.  Like registering a g22 for ccw, then converting it to .50.  If you got caught with that I don’t doubt they would do all they can to prosecute you.

This is one problem with requiring guns to be registered.  Are any errors of it chargeable?  I've had inaccurate info on the reg and was told by the cop at the window, that it's OK, no worry. Not that big of a deal.  I had to stress that it is a big deal because they had the wrong model on the reg.  Another time, they had the wrong action type. Semi auto was listed, but it's a bolt action.  When I told them to change this, this cop did so and didn't say no worry.

There is really no way to know if caliber would trigger a charge from the state because it's never happened before.  Majority of the charges are for unregistered guns.  I would guess that the  serial number, make, model, and your info is correct is what the prosecutor looks for.