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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kingkeoni on May 21, 2011, 08:39:59 AM
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I have shopped at and supported every single gun store on this island ever since I've been able to buy guns and it seems that occasionally someone tells me " Why do you shop there?" because they don't like the owner of the shop.
So just for fun, who do you think is the grouchiest gun store owner?
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I don't think a poll is necessary... I think everyone knows the answer already. With that said...queen st.
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I think they're all cool.................... ::) Hey Keoni, is this an anonymous ballet? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Seems like they're all grumpy. Carter can be a condescending prick though.
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But to be fair, Carter can also be a very helpful guy.....
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I wish I could vote more times for the Waikiki Gun Shop guy. That guy is such a fucking asshole, that it actually becomes hilarious. He'll say something like, "sign here and here and here". Then he'll stare at you as you wonder what you're supposed to do next. When you don't know, he has attitude. It's SO unnecessary and out of the blue, I swear to god he's autistic. I regret paying the *edit*
$200 (I made a mistake here, sorry. That was the price for 2 at the time. Did not mean to mislead) or so charge for taking his course, or FFL'ing him twice for out of state purchases.
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If I remember correctly, his name is Eugene, or something like that.
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The poll is kind of displaying funny, not sure why, seems (at least on my screen) the the percentage matches the persons above the bar. What might be interesting, is to post what made you vote the way you did. It's obviously not going to change your opinion, but might allow people to 'adjust' their business model if they read some good feedback!
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Maybe off subject "a little" but I think every gun shop offers something different... Different combos... One gives good prices while lacking in customer service and another might give good customer service while the prices suck... Fortunetly OGC has the most of everything.. Especially now.. I'm a "Man's Man" but if you call me "Cupcake" and give me the best price, SOOOOLLLLD!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I think they're all cool.................... ::) Hey Keoni, is this an anonymous ballet? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
ANONYMOUS POLL.
No one will know who you voted for but you.
Hahaha
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Every man in this earth has good and bad things about him.
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Seems like they're all grumpy. Carter can be a condescending prick though.
Tell me what you really think. I spend most of my day helping people, even sending them online and to other shops in town to find what they want for the best price or availability and I'm a condescending prick. Please feel free to stop in and introduce yourself so I know who is insulting me instead of anonymous bashing in a public forum made up of my customer base.
You have a right. no scratch that, a responsibility to give your business to stores that give you the best overall experience, and if you feel that you did not receive good service at OGC, please take your business to one of the other fine establishments on Oahu.
And how can I not be at the top of the grouchiest owner list? Frankly gentlemen, I'm insulted. :)
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Hey Carter, I hope you voted.
Haha :thumbsup:
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Well -- if you resorted to price gouging with ammo and your soon to be range and being a condescending prick ( :rofl:) maybe you would surpass Art :shake:. (purely joking !)
I remember I called that guy (Art) to inform him of the legislation being proposed so that he can begin to track it and submit testimony. The guy just told me he didn't really care and had no time to speak with me. That kind of pissed me off lol.
Telling a group or organization that was attempting to look out for their business and lively hood to basically F-off! Yeah ... no bueno.
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Seems like they're all grumpy. Carter can be a condescending prick though.
Tell me what you really think. I spend most of my day helping people, even sending them online and to other shops in town to find what they want for the best price or availability and I'm a condescending prick. Please feel free to stop in and introduce yourself so I know who is insulting me instead of anonymous bashing in a public forum made up of my customer base.
You have a right. no scratch that, a responsibility to give your business to stores that give you the best overall experience, and if you feel that you did not receive good service at OGC, please take your business to one of the other fine establishments on Oahu.
And how can I not be at the top of the grouchiest owner list? Frankly gentlemen, I'm insulted. :)
Defensive we are tonight..... Why didn't you comment on my second post? Selective hearing we still have?!
Anyway, I don't think I mentioned anything about you NOT being fair, helpful, and/or informative. I mentioned that you CAN BE a condescending prick (now I'm going to add "sensitive" to that list). I've shopped at OGC several times because you offer very good pricing and your staff are nice guys. Sometimes you are too! I will definitely say you are always informative. It's your delivery that lacks (at times). Take it for what it's worth but I'm not the only person who feels this way.
It's also not my responsibility to go where I feel I get the best overall service. It's MY RIGHT to shop when and where I choose for whatever reasons I choose. If I hear that OGC has something I want at a good price, I go. Simple as that. I'll take my chances that some poor guy won't be talked down to for the short time I'm there. BTW I hear the new place is much nicer- I'll probably be in sometime to check it out.
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Well -- if you resorted to price gouging with ammo and your soon to be range and being a condescending prick ( :rofl:) maybe you would surpass Art :shake:. (purely joking !)
I remember I called that guy (Art) to inform him of the legislation being proposed so that he can begin to track it and submit testimony. The guy just told me he didn't really care and had no time to speak with me. That kind of pissed me off lol.
Telling a group or organization that was attempting to look out for their business and lively hood to basically F-off! Yeah ... no bueno.
It's exactly this kind of crap that has kept me far far away from that guy. If he actually had good pricing, I would have probably went to his shop and my vote would have been for him.
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I wish I could vote more times for the Waikiki Gun Shop guy. That guy is such a fucking asshole, that it actually becomes hilarious. He'll say something like, "sign here and here and here". Then he'll stare at you as you wonder what you're supposed to do next. When you don't know, he has attitude. It's SO unnecessary and out of the blue, I swear to god he's autistic. I regret paying the $200 or so charge for taking his course, or FFL'ing him twice for out of state purchases.
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If I remember correctly, his name is Eugene, or something like that.
The handgun safety course I taught at Waikiki Gun Shop was $85, when you sign an ATF form you sign your name only once. At the time we had one of the lowest FFL transfer fees of $40 per firearm, not like some of the shops who simply refused to do them.
Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience, wish you would have said something at the time so that I could have improved your shopping experience.
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At least you guys on Oahu have different gun stores to choose from. Kona doesn't even have one. Oh, excuse me, we have Sports Authority, where you can't even find .22 ammo on a regular basis.
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......................*Edit*
If I remember correctly, his name is Eugene, or something like that.
I've never found Eugene to come across with attitude.
......................Please feel free to stop in and introduce yourself............................................
And how can I not be at the top of the grouchiest owner list? Frankly gentlemen, I'm insulted. :)
Defensive we are tonight...............Selective hearing we still have?! ....................
Obviously he is Master Yoda..........I believe he is hanging his hat on Dagobah........
Carter you will never be #1 so long as there is an Art.
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Seems like they're all grumpy. Carter can be a condescending prick though.
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Seems like they're all grumpy. Carter can be a condescending prick though.
You got a point but try dealing with inexperienced shooters on daily basis who ask the most stupidest questions everyday when they come into your store. I worked in a gun shop for 2 years and I almost quit shooting because I got really tired of dealing with folks who wanted a good deal and frankly did not know what the they were talking about. I started to become a prick after a while. Its understandable why you would feel that way. Here is a tip. If you spend enough and build your credibility with a shop then you most likely will have some good standing in a gun store IMHO. Other than that you have a point but try looking at it from the owner eyes as well. This also goes for all of the shop owners too, good ones and bad ones. It is easy for us to hide behind the internet, but hey it's America and we feel that we are entitled to do what ever we want. RANT OFF!
It's honestly not acceptable to be a prick to new shooters.
We as the shooting community want to win others over to our cause then go and treat new shooters like crap?
We were all new shooters at one time. It's these condescending know it all gun owners that are turning people away from shooting.
I've been shooting for almost 35 years now and always try to be helpful when someone asks an unintelligent question.
This year I've helped 4 new shooters buy their first gun.
2 of them have joined the NRA.
All of them have told me that they were mistreated in a gun shop.
This poll was just for fun but it should serve as a reminder to the people that work at or own gun shops that you have NOTHING without customers.
This is Hawaii, not the mainland. This state is world renowned for its spirit of aloha. Maybe its time to remember that.
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It's honestly not acceptable to be a prick to new shooters.
So, by inference, it's fine to be a prick to the rest? ;)
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:shaka:
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It's honestly not acceptable to be a prick to new shooters.
So, by inference, it's fine to be a prick to the rest? ;)
Inference?
You must have gone to private school.
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Seems like they're all grumpy. Carter can be a condescending prick though.
Tell me what you really think. I spend most of my day helping people, even sending them online and to other shops in town to find what they want for the best price or availability and I'm a condescending prick. Please feel free to stop in and introduce yourself so I know who is insulting me instead of anonymous bashing in a public forum made up of my customer base.
This guy started his first post on this thread. kinda fishy and sounds like a "rival" to me. 8)
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Seems like they're all grumpy. Carter can be a condescending prick though.
You got a point but try dealing with inexperienced shooters on daily basis who ask the most stupidest questions everyday when they come into your store. I worked in a gun shop for 4 years and I almost quit shooting because I got really tired of dealing with folks who wanted a good deal and frankly did not know what the they were talking about. I started to become a prick after a while. Its understandable why you would feel that way. Here is a tip. If you spend enough and build your credibility with a shop then you most likely will have some good standing in a gun store IMHO. Other than that you have a point but try looking at it from the owner eyes as well. This also goes for all of the shop owners too, good ones and bad ones. It is easy for us to hide behind the internet, but hey it's America and we feel that we are entitled to do what ever we want.
Oh and by BTW, thank you for the KAC Carter! It is sweet and you got it in under three days!
Well done!
See ya in January 2011 for the SR-25 when we get back from SE Asia.
V/R
b2b
I understand your gripe about new shooters and stupid questions BUT it's not new, nor is it exclusive to the firearm industry. It happens everywhere! Imagine what would happen if the staff in a Waikiki hotel were impatient and rude to the tourists who asked stupid questions or made ignorant comments!? I can tell you with certainty that that hotel would no longer be in business. It's a good thing there is enough competition and professionalism in Waikiki to elevate our customer service to world class levels. However, with the local firearm industry, any criticism garners a "you can always take your business somewhere else." Ya sure you can, but where? To the other more-of-a-prick down the street? Apparently the gun shop owners lost the memo on customer service?!
To make myself clear, this is not about Carter. Like I previously said, he is helpful and informative but also his moments of being a condescending prick, or to put it more constructively, acting on his impatience. Carter has probably been the most informative owner I've encountered and I have heard him tell customers which other stores had better deals for they were looking for. Props for that. I've always felt Carter was an honest guy and that's a big reason why I keep going back to his shop.
The thought that a new shooter has to spend enough money at a shop to "build your credibility" is ludicrous. But the most sad part is, it's somewhat true and you're actually helping to perpetrate this train of thought.
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I wish I could vote more times for the Waikiki Gun Shop guy. That guy is such a fucking asshole, that it actually becomes hilarious. He'll say something like, "sign here and here and here". Then he'll stare at you as you wonder what you're supposed to do next. When you don't know, he has attitude. It's SO unnecessary and out of the blue, I swear to god he's autistic. I regret paying the $200 or so charge for taking his course, or FFL'ing him twice for out of state purchases.
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If I remember correctly, his name is Eugene, or something like that.
The handgun safety course I taught at Waikiki Gun Shop was $85, when you sign an ATF form you sign your name only once. At the time we had one of the lowest FFL transfer fees of $40 per firearm, not like some of the shops who simply refused to do them.
Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience, wish you would have said something at the time so that I could have improved your shopping experience.
I wasn't expecting a response here, but thank you for taking the time. I'm sorry I made a mistake on the class price. It was a little over $100 per person. I'm not going into further details and prolong the drama, as none of it really matters any more. I mentioned my experience because it was the subject of the poll. But, I think it reflects very well on you that you responded, and thank you for taking the time to do so.
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This thread will not end well.
How about a poll of "Which store has the nicest owners or staff" or "which store has the best prices" This "who is the grouchiest" is basically asking which store owner you think is the biggest asshole. And so what? What does it accomplish? Everybody leaves with hurt pride and the community is a little more divided, with store owners a little more jaded and apathetic towards the customers they're looking to serve, because some anonymous asshole called them an asshole on an internet forum.
I've seen this happen before in another sporting community I was actively involved in: less than five stores on the island, and everybody had their favorite and everyone rallied around their championed store. This split up the community, so much so that the stores could never work together to get big-picture things accomplished for the community at large. It's stupid and a shame really when you realize what a small minority we are to begin with.
It is in my opinion, that religion, politics and favorite gun store all go into the same catagory: things you politely do not discuss with strangers or people you're meeting for the first time, because everyone has their opinion and everyone is firmly entrenched into their beliefs.
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This is Hawaii, not the mainland. This state is world renowned for its spirit of aloha. Maybe its time to remember that.
This is America; I hope the time comes very shortly where all of Hawaii's leaders remember that. This place is New York on a little island -- lots of cultures, and to many people.
This thread will not end well.
How about a poll of "Which store has the nicest owners or staff" or "which store has the best prices" This "who is the grouchiest" is basically asking which store owner you think is the biggest asshole. And so what? What does it accomplish? Everybody leaves with hurt pride and the community is a little more divided, with store owners a little more jaded and apathetic towards the customers they're looking to serve, because some anonymous asshole called them an asshole on an internet forum.
I've seen this happen before in another sporting community I was actively involved in: less than five stores on the island, and everybody had their favorite and everyone rallied around their championed store. This split up the community, so much so that the stores could never work together to get big-picture things accomplished for the community at large. It's stupid and a shame really when you realize what a small minority we are to begin with.
It is in my opinion, that religion, politics and favorite gun store all go into the same catagory: things you politely do not discuss with strangers or people you're meeting for the first time, because everyone has their opinion and everyone is firmly entrenched into their beliefs.
I think if people actually articulate why some shop is not their favorite, instead of just saying xxxx blows goats, then it could be beneficial to a store owner. Obviously, if you are the store owner, you may become offended. However, finding your flaws and opening your eyes to them could make your business that much more successful. Think about it -- how much business do you think Magnum has lost when almost everyone here bad mouths the shop. I can *easily* say that I have steered 15k-20k dollars worth of product away from that place. Now, take that figure and multiply it by 100 people... (1.5 - 2.0 million dollars), and that is the damage that his attitude has cost him. Factor in the profit margin on the product, let us say at 20%, giving that person 400,000 dollars in profit. I don't care who you are, that is not chump change.
I think comment cards are a great thing for a business and everyone should have them near the door / exit area where customers can see and fill them out without stress. As a business owner you are not worried about the ones who are happy; the business owner is worried about the ones who are not. That person goes home and posts on Facebook, and your stores perception just went down to many new possible customers.
(TLDR) Feedback is good, give better detail on why the shop irritated you.
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I will say that I'm new to the Oahu (Hawaii) gun culture, coming from places like Utah and Arizona where it's relatively easy to find a gun shop, this place is different. I'm one who tends to vote with my wallet and if I'm treated like dirt I will never buy from that place again no matter how good their prices are. I also like to give everyone a chance to win my business. That being said I will never go to Magnum again. I wandered in that shop for close to an hour with my wife and kids, not so much a hello and seemed perterbed when we did ask a question about one of the pistols. At Young Guns the gentlemen behind the counter were easy to engage in conversation and seemed genuine about want to help us understand the purchase laws here. I have as yet to try OGC, although they do come highly recommended from what I can see. I work in Kaneohe and want to look into the shop there even though the reviews there seem to be hit or miss. It seems like I have to take time off from work to go to any shop as their hours seem to match my work hours and none reopen on Sunday. What's up with that?
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It seems like I have to take time off from work to go to any shop as their hours seem to match my work hours and none reopen on Sunday. What's up with that?
You have yet to discover Windward Gun Shop, then! Closed Mon & Tues, open Sat & Sun. Closest to Kokohead, definitely worth finding. If for no other reason than you can pick up items on your way to the range!
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It's honestly not acceptable to be a prick to new shooters.
So, by inference, it's fine to be a prick to the rest? ;)
Inference?
You must have gone to private school.
No such luck. My primary schooling was in a lab school, HS in public school, and college in state systems. It just goes to show that public education doesn't suck everywhere!
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This thread will not end well.
How about a poll of "Which store has the nicest owners or staff" or "which store has the best prices" This "who is the grouchiest" is basically asking which store owner you think is the biggest asshole. And so what? What does it accomplish? Everybody leaves with hurt pride and the community is a little more divided, with store owners a little more jaded and apathetic towards the customers they're looking to serve, because some anonymous asshole called them an asshole on an internet forum.
I've seen this happen before in another sporting community I was actively involved in: less than five stores on the island, and everybody had their favorite and everyone rallied around their championed store. This split up the community, so much so that the stores could never work together to get big-picture things accomplished for the community at large. It's stupid and a shame really when you realize what a small minority we are to begin with.
It is in my opinion, that religion, politics and favorite gun store all go into the same catagory: things you politely do not discuss with strangers or people you're meeting for the first time, because everyone has their opinion and everyone is firmly entrenched into their beliefs.
I honestly think that getting to hear what people have to say about you behind your back is a blessing.
It gives you the opportunity to hear someones honest opinion.
Sure its someones anonymous opinion but that way you know its honest.
I have owned businesses and can tell you that I would love to have input as to what my customers want and how they want to be treated.
It seems that Carter has already addressed one of his disgruntled customers. He would have never had that opportunity otherwise because that customer would never walk into his store and say "I don't like you because of (insert complaint here)
The gun store that cares about how their customers feel will be the most successful store.
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Aloha,
I dealt with every gun store on this island. I like to say Carter and Eugene are serious people and they should be dealing with guns. Some people take that the wrong way. He has his own unique style of teaching and dealing with people and I respect & appreciate that. He wouldn't act like this if he was a kinda person who didn't really care. As for Eugene he is a good guy I think he one of the most knowledable person on island
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I think Young Guns is the most heavily advertised (a relative term) gun store in Hawaii for some reason, and that leads me to believe that they have the highest number of new people. Maybe it's because every time I've been there, there's always someone that is explaining how to acquire guns in Hawaii. Last time I was there, it was some military folks. The time before that was a Japanese couple in it for self-defense. Took the time to show her that compact models are more concealable, but harder to rack the slide for her. The lady there is super nice to everyone so far as I've seen. They're just too damn expensive (back to the monopolistic price-gouge thing).
My point is, well, perhaps they're an industry exception, but my point is, I've personally seen more new people there than any of the other stores I've been to. Yet no one here has an issue with them enough to vote them above the others (I have seen one or two of the staff appear impatient, but nothing overtly disrespectful).
I think that speaks for itself.
Compare that to the other stores, where someone walks in and they know each other by name, it makes it feel like it's a private cool-guy club. Which it inherently is in our political climate, but that's not really conducive to spreading the word (nor sales).
I personally think only 2 or so gun stores here care enough about this concept.
You're right, customer service sucks. I'm in the tourism industry almost my whole life. Repeating the same shit day in and day out to thousands of people. It is ANNOYING. But there's one thing that both the potential gun-store shopper and tourist have in common. We can choose to go somewhere else next time if we feel like we've been treated like shit.
As the person paying money, it's my social responsibility to not be an asshole, and the receiver's professional responsibility to not be an asshole. If one or the other chooses (very important word here) to be an asshole, then the balance is broken and someone or both will have a bad experience.
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It seems like I have to take time off from work to go to any shop as their hours seem to match my work hours and none reopen on Sunday. What's up with that?
I feel your pain brotha. When I first moved here from the mainland and just started getting back into the sports the first thing I did was look up all the shops and go to all of them. As a consumer at the time all the shops :closed: at 5pm, HPD firerams closes at 4pm, limited gun shop hours on Saturday and most closed on Sunday, not to mention I could count the number of shops on one hand, I was shocked! So those of us who had a 9-5pm job were not allowed to buy firearms in this state I guess ??? So I went every Saturday until I visited all of them and had to take the day off to get them registered. :grrr:
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Hey Back2back how come u always deletes and edit your post's the next day?
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Hey Back2back how come u always deletes and edit your post's the next day?
Why he would do that when myself and someone else already quoted what he already said, I have no idea.
On another note, whatever happened with the Magnum guy's court case?
http://www.kitv.com/news/21241861/detail.html (http://www.kitv.com/news/21241861/detail.html)
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Inference?
You must have gone to private school.
And what's wrong with private school? I attended St. Louis until HS, graduated from Mililani, went on to UH and Stanford...whether one gets a private or public education does not matter as much as wanting to become educated.
This is Hawaii, not the mainland. This state is world renowned for its spirit of aloha. Maybe its time to remember that.
This is America; I hope the time comes very shortly where all of Hawaii's leaders remember that. This place is New York on a little island -- lots of cultures, and to many people.
I think you're taking "not the mainland" as meaning not America...there is a difference. The "Sprit of Aloha" applies to the local culture regardless of cultural/racial background. It's no different than saying "The people of Georgia are renowned for their southern hospitality." As for Hawaii's leaders? Well politics are the same no matter where you are in the US. Most leaders will do what they think is right for the majority of their constituents.
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For me, OGC and Young Guns are the two closest shops. What determines which I go to? Convenience. Not the owner or if they're grouchy, I really could give a crap...they're only human and are free to run things however they wish. When I shop, I make it a point to know what I want, go to who has it, buy it, and be done with it. I don't go there to shoot the shit or buddy up the owner. It's strictly business. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather keep things simple.
I will add that OGC would probably get more of my business if the parking weren't such a pain. Tried going several times 3 days last week but ended up circling the block everytime wasting gas and dodging semi trucks.
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I've made some changes to the poll and hope they look nicer now.
I honestly think most of the gun store owners have some similar personality traits that can make them all seem grumpy to some people. Really, it takes a certain kind of person to open a gun store in Hawaii (crazy :)) and you can't expect hotel-like service. Part of OGC's problem was that the store was so small, that Carter and Eugene could only really help one person at a time. I think that will change a lot at their new shop. They were always helpful and honest and had great prices. What more can you ask for.
Art...well there is a reason behind him being number one in this pole. Not only does he have an attitude of not caring about the customers, he has :o prices.
I think you need to have good shooting buddies and treat the store like a store. Don't go in expecting the owner to be your buddy (unless they are your buddy). Or you could go in every day and buy something. That's a quick way to make buddies :)
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Inference?
You must have gone to private school.
And what's wrong with private school? I attended St. Louis until HS, graduated from Mililani, went on to UH and Stanford...whether one gets a private or public education does not matter as much as wanting to become educated.
Ok, well I went to Waianae high school then went to A.L.C. After which I gradeueted from Olomana.
I went on to win a Mr. Swapmeet contest and a sexiest legs in Compton contest.
I furthered my edgeamukation in Calipatra state penitentiary and finally got my doctorate at Folsom.
Just kidding ( I never went to Waianae) :shake:
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It seems like I have to take time off from work to go to any shop as their hours seem to match my work hours and none reopen on Sunday. What's up with that?
You have yet to discover Windward Gun Shop, then! Closed Mon & Tues, open Sat & Sun. Closest to Kokohead, definitely worth finding. If for no other reason than you can pick up items on your way to the range!
Yup WGS open so early on weekends. No matter when you go down on the weekends they'll be able to help you out.
Aloha,
I dealt with every gun store on this island. I like to say Carter and Eugene are serious people and they should be dealing with guns. Some people take that the wrong way. I am younger shooter and Carter kinda comes off to me as a uncle who is trying to help his nephew who doesn't know much and often tries to correct /lecture me on things. I realized that he only does it because he cares. He has his own unique style of teaching and dealing with people and I respect & appreciate that. He wouldn't act like this if he was a kinda person who didn't really care. As for Eugene he is a good guy I think he one of the most knowledgeable person on this island who works with guns. He is a humble guy and I look up to him as a younger shooter. When it come's to guns I prefer to deal with people who are serious!
I agree with you on point of view. I don't think Carter means to come across as gruff/condescending, but in the eye of the beholder he does. Unfortunately perception becomes reality. Regardless of if he means to or not if the customer views it as such..........that's the way it is.
One member had said we should look at the positives...........so I'd vote Henry/Joe as the cheeriest.
Finally the gal at Young Guns.......Martha?..........she is very knowledgeable. Sad to say it, but when HPD has questions, it's not uncommon for them to call her. Pretty sad.
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Oh yeah!! Forgot about Joe! That guy is a really nice guy!
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When I shop, I make it a point to know what I want, go to who has it, buy it, and be done with it. I don't go there to shoot the shit or buddy up the owner.
This.
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I've made some changes to the poll and hope they look nicer now.
Much better man! They were looking kind of funny :D :thumbsup:
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So some Gun Shop Guys in Hawaii are a-holes? Join the crowd guys, there are Gun Shop Guy a-holes everywhere in these United States. I expect every Gun Shop Guy I meet to try and convince me to buy a POS gun that he is stuck with. So I go in the shop with the idea that if a gun I want is there, at the right price, I will buy it, regardless of the attitude and stupidity displayed by the Gun Shop Guy.
We're on the other end of the spectrum from ya"ll Hawaiians, down here in Georgia, but we all share the heartache of the Gun Shop Guy!
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Just kidding ( I never went to Waianae) :shake:
Oh! Oh! Got a problem with Waiane too? :rofl:
So some Gun Shop Guys in Hawaii are a-holes? Join the crowd guys, there are Gun Shop Guy a-holes everywhere in these United States. I expect every Gun Shop Guy I meet to try and convince me to buy a POS gun that he is stuck with. So I go in the shop with the idea that if a gun I want is there, at the right price, I will buy it, regardless of the attitude and stupidity displayed by the Gun Shop Guy.
We're on the other end of the spectrum from ya"ll Hawaiians, down here in Georgia, but we all share the heartache of the Gun Shop Guy!
It's like I said...gun shop guys are only human. It doesn't matter where you go. I would rather deal with a guy thats an a-hole but knows what he's talking about. Buying guns & ammo should be all business and not feeling all "warm and fuzzy" after the sale.
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It's like I said...gun shop guys are only human. It doesn't matter where you go. I would rather deal with a guy thats an a-hole but knows what he's talking about. Buying guns & ammo should be all business and not feeling all "warm and fuzzy" after the sale.
Well there's "warm-n-fuzzy," :love: and then there's, "I want to get a 10 yard running start so I can fly-kick you in the face!" :grrr: transactions.
There's a happy medium somewhere in there. :thumbsup:
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This thread will not end well.
How about a poll of "Which store has the nicest owners or staff" or "which store has the best prices" This "who is the grouchiest" is basically asking which store owner you think is the biggest asshole. And so what? What does it accomplish? Everybody leaves with hurt pride and the community is a little more divided, with store owners a little more jaded and apathetic towards the customers they're looking to serve, because some anonymous asshole called them an asshole on an internet forum.
I've seen this happen before in another sporting community I was actively involved in: less than five stores on the island, and everybody had their favorite and everyone rallied around their championed store. This split up the community, so much so that the stores could never work together to get big-picture things accomplished for the community at large. It's stupid and a shame really when you realize what a small minority we are to begin with.
It is in my opinion, that religion, politics and favorite gun store all go into the same catagory: things you politely do not discuss with strangers or people you're meeting for the first time, because everyone has their opinion and everyone is firmly entrenched into their beliefs.
Is the "sporting store" you're talking about paintball stores? lol :rofl:
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I think Art is sorta trying to change his attitude. I remember calling him and asking if he had a particular gun in stock and he was actually really trying to help me out. He usually treats those that he knows that buys from him a lot better. Which imo would come with any store owner eventually when you're dealing with items that so many people have an "interest" in and like to look and touch your products but rarely ever end up buying one. I know i'd start to get irritated after a while. I do agree, however, that his prices are ridiculous. He needs to drop his prices about 20% across the board in order to compete with places like OGC.. and if he did he'd be making so much more money!
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I think Art is sorta trying to change his attitude. I remember calling him and asking if he had a particular gun in stock and he was actually really trying to help me out. He usually treats those that he knows that buys from him a lot better. Which imo would come with any store owner eventually when you're dealing with items that so many people have an "interest" in and like to look and touch your products but rarely ever end up buying one. I know i'd start to get irritated after a while. I do agree, however, that his prices are ridiculous. He needs to drop his prices about 20% across the board in order to compete with places like OGC.. and if he did he'd be making so much more money!
Attitude issues aside, he has been lucky to have the only indoor range available for actual use. Royal Hawaiian is attempting to go through changes as well to do more, but seem to be bound by anti-gun property owners. Once OGC's indoor range opens magnum may have to rethink its business practice. I despise price gouging even more than I do attitude. I can't hear you talk when I am shooting anyways :). I won't, however, pay a rediculous increase in ammo prices to shoot. Which is one thing I am glad Carter has expressed he wouldn't do (Price gouge people just to shoot indoors). I think not doing this will bring him plenty of business. In fact, I am actually concerned it may be too much business (at least on weekends).
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I think Art is sorta trying to change his attitude. I remember calling him and asking if he had a particular gun in stock and he was actually really trying to help me out. He usually treats those that he knows that buys from him a lot better. Which imo would come with any store owner eventually when you're dealing with items that so many people have an "interest" in and like to look and touch your products but rarely ever end up buying one. I know i'd start to get irritated after a while. I do agree, however, that his prices are ridiculous. He needs to drop his prices about 20% across the board in order to compete with places like OGC.. and if he did he'd be making so much more money!
i might have to go to Magnum just to see if all of the things I've been hearing about Art are even half true! EVERYONE (12+ people) I've talked to has steered me away from the place. Even if you go to his website, in the "sale" or "weekly specials" section of his website, the "sale" prices are the same, AND sometimes more than the retail prices! unreal.
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices (http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices)
I know I ripped on Carter earlier but I feel a little remorse at not giving him his props in my initial post. I got a little defensive when he retorted and the positives I said about him didn't really come out too positive. For that Carter, my apologies. You are an honest business man helping to promote our rights, that's not ripping people off, and you offer some of the best prices in the state. I appreciate that. :thumbsup:
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Now let's clarify something.
Art does not gouge his ammo prices just to shoot in his range.
His ammo prices are always that high. :D
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I think Art is sorta trying to change his attitude. I remember calling him and asking if he had a particular gun in stock and he was actually really trying to help me out. He usually treats those that he knows that buys from him a lot better. Which imo would come with any store owner eventually when you're dealing with items that so many people have an "interest" in and like to look and touch your products but rarely ever end up buying one. I know i'd start to get irritated after a while. I do agree, however, that his prices are ridiculous. He needs to drop his prices about 20% across the board in order to compete with places like OGC.. and if he did he'd be making so much more money!
i might have to go to Magnum just to see if all of the things I've been hearing about Art are even half true! EVERYONE (12+ people) I've talked to has steered me away from the place. Even if you go to his website, in the "sale" or "weekly specials" section of his website, the "sale" prices are the same, AND sometimes more than the retail prices! unreal.
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices (http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices)
I know I ripped on Carter earlier but I feel a little remorse at not giving him his props in my initial post. I got a little defensive when he retorted and the positives I said about him didn't really come out too positive. For that Carter, my apologies. You are an honest business man helping to promote our rights, that's not ripping people off, and you offer some of the best prices in the state. I appreciate that. :thumbsup:
Thanks! Much appreciated!
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I think Art is sorta trying to change his attitude. I remember calling him and asking if he had a particular gun in stock and he was actually really trying to help me out. He usually treats those that he knows that buys from him a lot better. Which imo would come with any store owner eventually when you're dealing with items that so many people have an "interest" in and like to look and touch your products but rarely ever end up buying one. I know i'd start to get irritated after a while. I do agree, however, that his prices are ridiculous. He needs to drop his prices about 20% across the board in order to compete with places like OGC.. and if he did he'd be making so much more money!
i might have to go to Magnum just to see if all of the things I've been hearing about Art are even half true! EVERYONE (12+ people) I've talked to has steered me away from the place. Even if you go to his website, in the "sale" or "weekly specials" section of his website, the "sale" prices are the same, AND sometimes more than the retail prices! unreal.
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices (http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices)
I know I ripped on Carter earlier but I feel a little remorse at not giving him his props in my initial post. I got a little defensive when he retorted and the positives I said about him didn't really come out too positive. For that Carter, my apologies. You are an honest business man helping to promote our rights, that's not ripping people off, and you offer some of the best prices in the state. I appreciate that. :thumbsup:
Art has been a douche since his days of selling car crap. If you decide to go, just keep in mind however his crew treats you...Art is 100x worse. Taking d-bag 101 is a prerequisite for working there. Seriously, I don't know how they stay in business. Probably a side deal with HPD on top of tax evasion. ;D
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I think Art is sorta trying to change his attitude. I remember calling him and asking if he had a particular gun in stock and he was actually really trying to help me out. He usually treats those that he knows that buys from him a lot better. Which imo would come with any store owner eventually when you're dealing with items that so many people have an "interest" in and like to look and touch your products but rarely ever end up buying one. I know i'd start to get irritated after a while. I do agree, however, that his prices are ridiculous. He needs to drop his prices about 20% across the board in order to compete with places like OGC.. and if he did he'd be making so much more money!
i might have to go to Magnum just to see if all of the things I've been hearing about Art are even half true! EVERYONE (12+ people) I've talked to has steered me away from the place. Even if you go to his website, in the "sale" or "weekly specials" section of his website, the "sale" prices are the same, AND sometimes more than the retail prices! unreal.
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices (http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/featured_items.asp?ID=866&table=dealer_prices)
I know I ripped on Carter earlier but I feel a little remorse at not giving him his props in my initial post. I got a little defensive when he retorted and the positives I said about him didn't really come out too positive. For that Carter, my apologies. You are an honest business man helping to promote our rights, that's not ripping people off, and you offer some of the best prices in the state. I appreciate that. :thumbsup:
Art has been a douche since his days of selling car crap. If you decide to go, just keep in mind however his crew treats you...Art is 100x worse. Taking d-bag 101 is a prerequisite for working there. Seriously, I don't know how they stay in business. Probably a side deal with HPD on top of tax evasion. ;D
he has some Navy contracts...not sure if he still has them
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I know stores keep hours to when they will have the most business, but is there some law that regulates when they can operate? My wife and I wanted to do a little gun shopping today but no one is open. It kills me! It seems like the Internet is going to be the only way I'm going to be able to even start to buy, at least I can do that part without missing any work.
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^^^Only two stores that would have a shot at being open today are Sports Authority and Windward Gun.
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I vote for Carter at OGC being the biggest grouch :shaka: If another store opens up with good prices I don't think much people would put up with him ;D.
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I recall Warren the owner of the now long gone Armory was a real scum bag. He would give Art a hard rub. Warren was a completely changed man during his fire sale. I could not believe how helpful and willing to please he became. I guess he really needed the money badly when the feds got after him for various charges. I think this was the motivation behind his change in behavior.
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^^^I remember the Armory. Back then I was too young and didn't have any money to buy stuff.
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I notice that Dan from Kaneohe Gun Shops is tied for a distant second. I gotta speak up for him. The dude is *intense* and very opinionated, but I don't think he's ever been anything but helpful and courteous. Plus the fact that he spends his own time and money to help put on the LIFE Fun Shoots speaks a great deal to his mission-oriented attitude for his gun shop.
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^^^It is great that he supplies hardware and ammo for the LIFE events, but I have to wonder if he claims any of it.
Secondly, there is a reason why my friend refers to him as "Wormy Dan."
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^^^It is great that he supplies hardware and ammo for the LIFE events, but I have to wonder if he claims any of it.
Secondly, there is a reason why my friend refers to him as "Wormy Dan."
You mean claim tax deductions? I'm sure he does, or at least, he should. I don't think that takes away from any props he should get for it. He may get a little money off his taxes, but it's not a net profit. It still costs him his time and money, and everyone who attends benefits.
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^^^It does cost time and money, but it's also free advertising for his shop. All those noobs who attend probably don't know who's out there and Daniel is the guy front and center.
Sorry - I'm just a really cynical person.
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^^^It does cost time and money, but it's also free advertising for his shop. All those noobs who attend probably don't know who's out there and Daniel is the guy front and center.
Sorry - I'm just a really cynical person.
The times I've been to the LIFE Fun Shoots, Dan never mentioned his shop even once. And even if he did (I think it's perfectly fair that he does.), does that take away from the benefits he's providing the shooting community?
:stopjack: He's not grouchy.
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My friend never nicknamed him Grouchy Dan, he nicknamed him Wormy Dan.
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My friend never nicknamed him Grouchy Dan, he nicknamed him Wormy Dan.
I know, but the poll here is, "who's the grouchiest gun store owner on Oahu?" and Dan's tied for #2.
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^^^True.............but a distant Deuce.........
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My bad, Carter has edged out into second place.
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The problem I have is PARKING
Being Disabled, I have a problem walking any distance.
OGC is One of the places I have Not been to because of a lack of parking.
I gone there 3X and have not found anyplace reasonably close to park Legally.
The last time I went, a State Sherriff had parked a full sized crew cab pick up blocking the entire
frontage of the parking area. I kept on going to YG. Their HandiCap stall was open(and usually is).
Kalihi Kai Sucks when it comes to HPD enforcement of any kind. It has gone from OK 40 years ago
to Non Existant today. I moved out of there 2 years ago. Then I could have walked to OGC
as it would have been less than 2 blocks away.
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My experience at Kaneohe Gun was depressing. I will never go there again! What a waste of gas. I was treated rudely.
I was just trying to get a good deal on a AR upper and the guy basically calls me a cheap guy.
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^^^I remember the Armory.
Me too. They had maybe ten each of the 1896 Swedish and 1909 Argentine Mausers, both some of best military surplus rifles to be had. I should have picked up a few then. I heard that they were all destroyed after the BATF confiscated the weapons.
The owner was a jerk, though. Maybe the steroids had something to do with it.
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I'm an idiot, I accidentally clicked Carter even though I think him and his shop are cool as hell. I'm new to Firearms ownership but don't need someone blowing sunshine up my ass, Carter and crew have the info I'm more interested in. I'm not sure who helped me at Magnum but he seemed indifferent to me and my questions, the indoor range was a selling point to me though. Get it done Carter:-)
Ray
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I vote for Art
When I was just start researching on guns and trying to start a conversation going and he totally blew me off and suggested to take the safety class through him if I want to learn anything firearms related.
That experience stop me from buying a firearm for almost 10 years. Although I would say his staff is cool. His clients is mainly mil and LEO huge selection of guns and gears and he don't care for airsofters.
As for Dan I am his regular customer through the LIFE fun shoot. I can tell he will treat all 1st time shoppers suspiciously and cautiously and I can understand that because he only one guy running a gunshop. The only reason I go to his shop because by supporting him I am supporting the Fun Shoot that is held once a month out at Koko Head and that is the closest thing to a tactical class for here in Hawaii and it is free. Now he gives me discount but that is not why I shop there. He does his rant now and then and I do see if a bit excessive that scares people away but he means well, he just not very outgoing to people on the first meet. His main clients are civilians so his prices are low everyday for everybody and does not give any more discounts to military people or it will raise the prices overall on his inventory.
Carter probably the best buisnessman in the buisness. His tweeter account and his activity on here. He willing to bring in stuff. Remember his little shop on King now look at the big warehouse he have now, so he must be doing something right. I dunno he comes off grouchy but he does come off strong and might offend people. I shop at his store if Dan don't have items like xdm magazines and defensive holopoints. Lots of inventroy and his clients are anybody from the looks of it.
Folks of Young Guns are really friendly
WGS cool guy and he opens on sunday.
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I vote for Art
When I was just start researching on guns and trying to start a conversation going and he totally blew me off and suggested to take the safety class through him if I want to learn anything firearms related.
That experience stop me from buying a firearm for almost 10 years. Although I would say his staff is cool. His clients is mainly mil and LEO huge selection of guns and gears and he don't care for airsofters.
As for Dan I am his regular customer through the LIFE fun shoot. I can tell he will treat all 1st time shoppers suspiciously and cautiously and I can understand that because he only one guy running a gunshop. The only reason I go to his shop because by supporting him I am supporting the Fun Shoot that is held once a month out at Koko Head and that is the closest thing to a tactical class for here in Hawaii and it is free. Now he gives me discount but that is not why I shop there. He does his rant now and then and I do see if a bit excessive that scares people away but he means well, he just not very outgoing to people on the first meet. His main clients are civilians so his prices are low everyday for everybody and does not give any more discounts to military people or it will raise the prices overall on his inventory.
Carter probably the best buisnessman in the buisness. His tweeter account and his activity on here. He willing to bring in stuff. Remember his little shop on King now look at the big warehouse he have now, so he must be doing something right. I dunno he comes off grouchy but he does come off strong and might offend people. I shop at his store if Dan don't have items like xdm magazines and defensive holopoints. Lots of inventroy and his clients are anybody from the looks of it.
Folks of Young Guns are really friendly
WGS cool guy and he opens on sunday.
Have you been to X-Ring yet?
Art's best employee is over there now.
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As a newbie gun owner, here's been my experience...
The first time I've been to Magnum was about 5 years ago... not gun related but because someone I know had some business with Art. My friend introduced me and Art just kind of shrugged and didn't say anything. That pretty much is my impression of Art since I've had no interaction with him (and I have no desire to). That said, I've been to Magnum recently to try and visit all gun stores in Hawaii and have found Brian there to be knowledgable. I've also gone there with a friend to use the indoor gun range. I hope that the issues going on with Art will help the store change for the better.
I like the folks at Young Guns. The place is very convenient for me as I live closeby. The folks are pretty friendly and I like the relaxed atmosphere there. Because of the location, parking and the relaxed atmosphere, I've been to YG several times and have bought a bunch of stuff from them.
I've also been to OGC once, probably lucky to land a front door parking spot when I went. The atmosphere was pretty professional when I went there to look around. I will probably go there again when I have a chance... also to check out Mojo Tactical's gears. :thumbsup:
I've also been to the Winward Gun Shop at Hawaii Kai once. I enjoyed talking to the owner and picked up some stuff. Would shop there again.
Lastly, I've been to Sports Authority a few times to browse. Not really sure why but the guy at the counter didn't seem to have much to say. Will probably only go back there if there was a good sale.
I've not been to XRing or the Kaneohe GS yet so no idea about them. Will need to check them out soon! :)
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I have been to all that were mentioned in the poll except for Magnum (Art). I can honestly say that I try and spread my money around to all of the shops. I have gone to them and did a little talk story and found everyone at these shops more than helpful and nice and interesting to talk to. However, I found they all lack something major in my opinion. For instance I usually make the rounds and go to 4 places while I'm out. I go to (in no particular order) Young Guns, X-Ring, OGC and WGS. Young Guns has good sales on ammo sometimes but otherwise high prices. They are usually out of most of the things I want. But when it comes to certain items they seem to be the only place on the island that carries what I am looking for. X-Ring is newly opened so their inventory is not what I would like to see. They are VERY helpful and their prices are very fair. The big downside is not much stock, yet. OGC is a PAIN IN THE ASS FOR PARKING. They have lost some of my business because of this. Otherwise I found everyone there (including Carter) to helpful and nice. But they are usually VERY busy so not much time to talk story to. Also, I called one day about an hour before they closed and asked for Carter and was told he was too busy to come to the phone and I should e-mail him instead. That was Tuesday so I didn't get to call back until Thursday because they are closed Wednesday. Not a big deal but a little off the wall. WGS has very high prices on most things. But they have most of what I want almost all the time in stock. And I have to say that Joe and Henry are the most friendly and helpful people as well as can talk story. Notice I didn't mention Kanehoe. I went there once and bought something but I was not impressed. Nothing bad to say. Just that I can get what I want with a better experience closer to my house.
Maybe I have hit all these places/people on their good days? Or maybe you get what you give? Who knows?
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Dan may not be the grouchiest but his business practices are poor.
When you have a gun you sold on consignment for a customer you don't make him wait 6 months for his money.
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I vote for Art
When I was just start researching on guns and trying to start a conversation going and he totally blew me off and suggested to take the safety class through him if I want to learn anything firearms related.
That experience stop me from buying a firearm for almost 10 years. Although I would say his staff is cool. His clients is mainly mil and LEO huge selection of guns and gears and he don't care for airsofters.
As for Dan I am his regular customer through the LIFE fun shoot. I can tell he will treat all 1st time shoppers suspiciously and cautiously and I can understand that because he only one guy running a gunshop. The only reason I go to his shop because by supporting him I am supporting the Fun Shoot that is held once a month out at Koko Head and that is the closest thing to a tactical class for here in Hawaii and it is free. Now he gives me discount but that is not why I shop there. He does his rant now and then and I do see if a bit excessive that scares people away but he means well, he just not very outgoing to people on the first meet. His main clients are civilians so his prices are low everyday for everybody and does not give any more discounts to military people or it will raise the prices overall on his inventory.
Carter probably the best buisnessman in the buisness. His tweeter account and his activity on here. He willing to bring in stuff. Remember his little shop on King now look at the big warehouse he have now, so he must be doing something right. I dunno he comes off grouchy but he does come off strong and might offend people. I shop at his store if Dan don't have items like xdm magazines and defensive holopoints. Lots of inventroy and his clients are anybody from the looks of it.
Folks of Young Guns are really friendly
WGS cool guy and he opens on sunday.
Have you been to X-Ring yet?
Art's best employee is over there now.
Yeah I heard his best employees left and started a new shop in Waipahu/Waipio?
I also hear they do price matching.
This leave the question several questions
Is Art in Jail?
Is Magnum still running?
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I have been to all that were mentioned in the poll except for Magnum (Art). I can honestly say that I try and spread my money around to all of the shops. I have gone to them and did a little talk story and found everyone at these shops more than helpful and nice and interesting to talk to. However, I found they all lack something major in my opinion. For instance I usually make the rounds and go to 4 places while I'm out. I go to (in no particular order) Young Guns, X-Ring, OGC and WGS. Young Guns has good sales on ammo sometimes but otherwise high prices. They are usually out of most of the things I want. But when it comes to certain items they seem to be the only place on the island that carries what I am looking for. X-Ring is newly opened so their inventory is not what I would like to see. They are VERY helpful and their prices are very fair. The big downside is not much stock, yet. OGC is a PAIN IN THE ASS FOR PARKING. They have lost some of my business because of this. Otherwise I found everyone there (including Carter) to helpful and nice. But they are usually VERY busy so not much time to talk story to. Also, I called one day about an hour before they closed and asked for Carter and was told he was too busy to come to the phone and I should e-mail him instead. That was Tuesday so I didn't get to call back until Thursday because they are closed Wednesday. Not a big deal but a little off the wall. WGS has very high prices on most things. But they have most of what I want almost all the time in stock. And I have to say that Joe and Henry are the most friendly and helpful people as well as can talk story. Notice I didn't mention Kanehoe. I went there once and bought something but I was not impressed. Nothing bad to say. Just that I can get what I want with a better experience closer to my house.
Maybe I have hit all these places/people on their good days? Or maybe you get what you give? Who knows?
I tried to do the same and spread my buisness around but mostly at KGS and OGC
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Dan may not be the grouchiest but his business practices are poor.
When you have a gun you sold on consignment for a customer you don't make him wait 6 months for his money.
Thats the thing with Dan he hates bringing stuff in that is not from his distributor and he brings in stuff that does not move. OGC will bring it in.
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I vote for Art
When I was just start researching on guns and trying to start a conversation going and he totally blew me off and suggested to take the safety class through him if I want to learn anything firearms related.
That experience stop me from buying a firearm for almost 10 years. Although I would say his staff is cool. His clients is mainly mil and LEO huge selection of guns and gears and he don't care for airsofters.
As for Dan I am his regular customer through the LIFE fun shoot. I can tell he will treat all 1st time shoppers suspiciously and cautiously and I can understand that because he only one guy running a gunshop. The only reason I go to his shop because by supporting him I am supporting the Fun Shoot that is held once a month out at Koko Head and that is the closest thing to a tactical class for here in Hawaii and it is free. Now he gives me discount but that is not why I shop there. He does his rant now and then and I do see if a bit excessive that scares people away but he means well, he just not very outgoing to people on the first meet. His main clients are civilians so his prices are low everyday for everybody and does not give any more discounts to military people or it will raise the prices overall on his inventory.
Carter probably the best buisnessman in the buisness. His tweeter account and his activity on here. He willing to bring in stuff. Remember his little shop on King now look at the big warehouse he have now, so he must be doing something right. I dunno he comes off grouchy but he does come off strong and might offend people. I shop at his store if Dan don't have items like xdm magazines and defensive holopoints. Lots of inventroy and his clients are anybody from the looks of it.
Folks of Young Guns are really friendly
WGS cool guy and he opens on sunday.
Have you been to X-Ring yet?
Art's best employee is over there now.
Yeah I heard his best employees left and started a new shop in Waipahu/Waipio?
I also hear they do price matching.
This leave the question several questions
Is Art in Jail?
Is Magnum still running?
No, he's not in jail.
Yes, Magnum is still running.
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Has anyone been to that Gunsource place on Beretania St?
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Has anyone been to that Gunsource place on Beretania St?
I shop there sometimes
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Has anyone been to that Gunsource place on Beretania St?
yup, Tony's a cool cat. Bought a couple of guns from him. Just make sure you know what you want because if you don't he will definitely try his best to sell you what he thinks is the best for you. Ask him if he has a cash price, if he's able to he will come close if not beat OGC's price.
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Has anyone been to that Gunsource place on Beretania St?
yup, Tony's a cool cat. Bought a couple of guns from him. Just make sure you know what you want because if you don't he will definitely try his best to sell you what he thinks is the best for you. Ask him if he has a cash price, if he's able to he will come close if not beat OGC's price.
Yup you can deal with Tony..........he was a car salesman after all. Be careful from the standpoint that he doesn't necessarily know as much about items as you might think he does.
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You have to buy from Tony with the mentality that you're buying a car.
The initial prices are higher than you'd want to spend but you can go back and forth with him to negotiate the best deal.
I've got great deals on a couple firearms.
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Dan may not be the grouchiest but his business practices are poor.
When you have a gun you sold on consignment for a customer you don't make him wait 6 months for his money.
Thats the thing with Dan he hates bringing stuff in that is not from his distributor and he brings in stuff that does not move. OGC will bring it in.
No. I had a pistol on consignment with him. He sold it and never told me how much he sold it for ir when. Took me months to get my money. F**k him. Never going back to his store or recommend his business to others.
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Dan may not be the grouchiest but his business practices are poor.
When you have a gun you sold on consignment for a customer you don't make him wait 6 months for his money.
Thats the thing with Dan he hates bringing stuff in that is not from his distributor and he brings in stuff that does not move. OGC will bring it in.
No. I had a pistol on consignment with him. He sold it and never told me how much he sold it for ir when. Took me months to get my money. F**k him. Never going back to his store or recommend his business to others.
.............Wormy Dan strikes again................
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I haven't found an asshole yet, at any of these gun stores. Maybe it's my winning personality, but since most people tell me I'm a bit of a prick, I think it's that I don't go to gun stores to talk story. I go to the gun store because I'm interested in buying a few boxes of shells, or a can of powder, or whatever. I walk in, ask for what I'm after, make a little small talk while they run the register, then I head out. If I want to talk about guns, I call one of my friends up on the phone or post here. By the time I'm walking in the door of the gun shop to purchase something, I've already done a ton of research on the internet, talked to people, and figured exactly what I want, so I don't have to pester the guy behind the counter with a bunch of questions. For gun purchases, I'll have it narrowed down to a couple of different models that appeal to me, and I ask to handle those ones specifically; rather than putting my mitts on every gun in the store, while the guy behind the counter watches paying customers get frustrated and leave because they're not getting anyone to take their money.
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I haven't found an asshole yet, at any of these gun stores. Maybe it's my winning personality, but since most people tell me I'm a bit of a prick, I think it's that I don't go to gun stores to talk story. I go to the gun store because I'm interested in buying a few boxes of shells, or a can of powder, or whatever. I walk in, ask for what I'm after, make a little small talk while they run the register, then I head out. If I want to talk about guns, I call one of my friends up on the phone or post here. By the time I'm walking in the door of the gun shop to purchase something, I've already done a ton of research on the internet, talked to people, and figured exactly what I want, so I don't have to pester the guy behind the counter with a bunch of questions. For gun purchases, I'll have it narrowed down to a couple of different models that appeal to me, and I ask to handle those ones specifically; rather than putting my mitts on every gun in the store, while the guy behind the counter watches paying customers get frustrated and leave because they're not getting anyone to take their money.
+1
do your research in an non-rushed, unbiased manner.
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I vote for Art
When I was just start researching on guns and trying to start a conversation going and he totally blew me off and suggested to take the safety class through him if I want to learn anything firearms related.
That experience stop me from buying a firearm for almost 10 years. Although I would say his staff is cool. His clients is mainly mil and LEO huge selection of guns and gears and he don't care for airsofters.
As for Dan I am his regular customer through the LIFE fun shoot. I can tell he will treat all 1st time shoppers suspiciously and cautiously and I can understand that because he only one guy running a gunshop. The only reason I go to his shop because by supporting him I am supporting the Fun Shoot that is held once a month out at Koko Head and that is the closest thing to a tactical class for here in Hawaii and it is free. Now he gives me discount but that is not why I shop there. He does his rant now and then and I do see if a bit excessive that scares people away but he means well, he just not very outgoing to people on the first meet. His main clients are civilians so his prices are low everyday for everybody and does not give any more discounts to military people or it will raise the prices overall on his inventory.
Carter probably the best buisnessman in the buisness. His tweeter account and his activity on here. He willing to bring in stuff. Remember his little shop on King now look at the big warehouse he have now, so he must be doing something right. I dunno he comes off grouchy but he does come off strong and might offend people. I shop at his store if Dan don't have items like xdm magazines and defensive holopoints. Lots of inventroy and his clients are anybody from the looks of it.
Folks of Young Guns are really friendly
WGS cool guy and he opens on sunday.
Have you been to X-Ring yet?
Art's best employee is over there now.
Yeah I heard his best employees left and started a new shop in Waipahu/Waipio?
I also hear they do price matching.
This leave the question several questions
Is Art in Jail?
Is Magnum still running?
So Brian from Magnum is the new owner for X-ring? interesting.... He was the only cool one at Magnum....
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^^^I thought that guy was hired, not bought X-Ring. Take a look in the vendor section for more info.
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Art is a prick. Here is the story;
One day my co-worker and I walk into magnum to see if they had night sights for my H&K USP .40. To my amazemnt they had them. I asked Brian how much it would be to install them. He asked me if I was law enforcement and I replied yes and showed my creds. He said to just bring the gun by tomorrow, buy the sights for $100, and they would put them on for free. I said deal. The next day I return with my H&K and Art is there. I explain to him that I spoke with Brian the previous day and he said if I buy the sights they would install them for free. Art laughed in my face and said "well that guy is not here today. Its $50 to install the sights." I informed him that the deal was made and already thats why im here. He then looked at me with a stupid face and said "so what are you going to do" I looked in has face and said "fuck that, and this is the last time you will see me here." and we walked out. When I returned to my office I wrote an emal to my commander explaining magnums customer service policy and my agency has never purchased anything from them again.
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Brian is the Sales Manager at X-Ring. 368-5263
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Art is a prick. Here is the story;
One day my co-worker and I walk into magnum to see if they had night sights for my H&K USP .40. To my amazemnt they had them. I asked Brian how much it would be to install them. He asked me if I was law enforcement and I replied yes and showed my creds. He said to just bring the gun by tomorrow, buy the sights for $100, and they would put them on for free. I said deal. The next day I return with my H&K and Art is there. I explain to him that I spoke with Brian the previous day and he said if I buy the sights they would install them for free. Art laughed in my face and said "well that guy is not here today. Its $50 to install the sights." I informed him that the deal was made and already thats why im here. He then looked at me with a stupid face and said "so what are you going to do" I looked in has face and said "fuck that, and this is the last time you will see me here." and we walked out. When I returned to my office I wrote an emal to my commander explaining magnums customer service policy and my agency has never purchased anything from them again.
sounds par for Art. I wonder how long his attitude will last in "Federal pound me in the ass" prison?
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sounds par for Art. I wonder how long his attitude will last in "Federal pound me in the ass" prison?
Maybe he'll be the next Andy Dufraine, and get by more or less unmolested by doing the guards' taxes! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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<--Didn't vote, haven't had a bad experience....yet
In no particular order, I've been to Security Equipment Corp., Young Guns, OGC, and Gun Source. I just got into shooting and I do my own research at home to get an idea of what I want but I still have lots of questions and the people at each store were very helpful in answering all of them. One of the guys at OGC even brought in his personal gun for me to handle because the store didn't have one in stock. End result, I now have 4 guns that I am very happy with.
I also went to Magnum once to use the range, while waiting for a spot I checked out the store and the prices were so high I didn't bother talking to anyone or even consider going back to shop.
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So Art got convicted right?
That would make him a felon?
SO he can't own firearms? :wacko:
I dunno can anyone give us the full info on this?
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So Art got convicted right?
That would make him a felon?
SO he can't own firearms? :wacko:
I dunno can anyone give us the full info on this?
Inquiring minds want to know? :geekdanc:
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So Art got convicted right?
That would make him a felon?
SO he can't own firearms? :wacko:
I dunno can anyone give us the full info on this?
http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2029.0 (http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2029.0)
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A new shooter (just about half a year active) and I've so far gone to OGC, KGS, YGs, and Magnum. Just from reading this thread, I've learned about 3 OTHER stores that I will definitely have to visit.
I've read many opinions, and mostly surprising ones. Regardless of other people's opinions, I've yet to receive extreme-hostile treatment (specifically from owners). I actually went to Magnum just earlier this week for the first time, and I was the only customer in the store (haha I WONDER why :P ). I actually wasn't even sure how Art looked like but I couldn't figure out who he was because I was actually treated quite nicely. The girl at the computer was quite the looker though :love:
It wasn't until I was leaving that I heard one of the employees call for Art and I was kinda surprised that it was one of the more helpful guys.
I'll have to go back (with some friends) and see how my experience changes.
I definitely need to check out all the other stores though!
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A new shooter (just about half a year active) and I've so far gone to OGC, KGS, YGs, and Magnum. Just from reading this thread, I've learned about 3 OTHER stores that I will definitely have to visit.
I've read many opinions, and mostly surprising ones. Regardless of other people's opinions, I've yet to receive extreme-hostile treatment (specifically from owners). I actually went to Magnum just earlier this week for the first time, and I was the only customer in the store (haha I WONDER why :P ). I actually wasn't even sure how Art looked like but I couldn't figure out who he was because I was actually treated quite nicely. The girl at the computer was quite the looker though :love:
It wasn't until I was leaving that I heard one of the employees call for Art and I was kinda surprised that it was one of the more helpful guys.
I'll have to go back (with some friends) and see how my experience changes.
I definitely need to check out all the other stores though!
Art isn't the evil guy that some people claim him to be.
The prices of his guns and ammo are usually higher than most other stores but there is the occasional great deal.
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After checking everywhere else first I went over to Magnum just to see if they had an item for my uniform. To my surprise Art looked like he was wearing a gun on his hip. hummmm. Now what was that law about felons and guns? They didn't have what I needed so I was releived that I didn't have spend money there.
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visited 3 of the above shops. yg, ogc & kgs. yg customer service was the best. no pressure and very informative. kgs daniel is very straight up and tells you the truth in your face. very honest man and i like his pov on firearms. website is killer also. ogc parking was pretty far. prices were a little cheaper than the rest. went in told them i was looking for my first firearm purchase. so after talking to carter, i was being helped by his other workers. During that time about an hour comparing between 2 pistols, carter comes by and says "dude really? your still deciding? just pick one and be done with it." then pulls gun from my hands. major disrespect. sadly being a former sales rep, thats no way to treat a customer, especially someone new to firearms. i just didn't like the fact that they daniel&carter had a mouth and gave me wise comments. could have been just that one time though. i'll give them another shot :shaka:
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Lucky x-ring not on this list.
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Lucky x-ring not on this list.
not yet. ;)
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since you guys are the closest to home i'll probably swing by tomorrow to check out the shop :shaka:
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One of the other guys. 7 (7.3%). :rofl:
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since you guys are the closest to home i'll probably swing by tomorrow to check out the shop :shaka:
Make sure you print out our map.
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visited 3 of the above shops. yg, ogc & kgs. yg customer service was the best. no pressure and very informative. kgs daniel is very straight up and tells you the truth in your face. very honest man and i like his pov on firearms. website is killer also. ogc parking was pretty far. prices were a little cheaper than the rest. went in told them i was looking for my first firearm purchase. so after talking to carter, i was being helped by his other workers. During that time about an hour comparing between 2 pistols, carter comes by and says "dude really? your still deciding? just pick one and be done with it." then pulls gun from my hands. major disrespect. sadly being a former sales rep, thats no way to treat a customer, especially someone new to firearms. i just didn't like the fact that they daniel&carter had a mouth and gave me wise comments. could have been just that one time though. i'll give them another shot :shaka:
Dan Itoman? He's a really cool guy. I've noticed that most of the OGC staff has a tendency to make sarcastic comments but they don't really mean anything by it.
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Dan Itoman? He's a really cool guy. I've noticed that most of the OGC staff has a tendency to make sarcastic comments but they don't really mean anything by it.
Yeah, Dan is pretty cool. He's never said anything really sarcastic to me. He may joke around some and tease me, but like most things, there's a give and take. Carter and Eric have said some sarcastic things, but like DuckFat mentioned, they don't really mean anything by it. Gus is probably the only one in there that won't make a smart remark.
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Bahahaha.....love this thread!!!
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Art isn't the evil guy that some people claim him to be.
The prices of his guns and ammo are usually higher than most other stores but there is the occasional great deal.
I agree, I knew him since hanabudda days and when I shopped there I ended up getting a fair deal.
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To correct the polls a little...
Art is no longer a gun shop owner, but the new staff at magnum, now HFR, is pretty friendly.
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Some may think this is a fun thread.
I don't.
I hope many of you will realize that this is exactly what they call[b] "cyber bullying."[/b][/color]
This thread should be stopped.
I hope you all go down to the store who had the winner and buy something and tell them, "we just joking around."
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Some may think this is a fun thread.
I don't.
I hope many of you will realize that this is exactly what they call[b] "cyber bullying."[/b][/color]
This thread should be stopped.
I hope you all go down to the store who had the winner and buy something and tell them, "we just joking around."
This thread is just fine.
A) this thread is useful. It has allowed gun store customers to share their experiences at different gun stores.
B) I know for a fact that most of the gun store owners and employees read this forum. This thread has helped them see what customers expect. I have noticed that customer service has improved dramatically since topics like this have been made public.
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This thread is just fine.
A) this thread is useful. It has allowed gun store customers to share their experiences at different gun stores.
B) I know for a fact that most of the gun store owners and employees read this forum. This thread has helped them see what customers expect. I have noticed that customer service has improved dramatically since topics like this have been made public.
The rooster causes the sun to come up every morning with his crowing.
Logical fallacies assume A caused B because B did not happen until A happened.
Could there be another reason you noticed improved customer service, such as less stress, since the prices and products have returned to more "normal", pre-panic levels?
Maybe there are fewer angry customers since the prices have dropped a bit and certain firearms are no longer scarce?
Just throwing that out as possibilities.
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The rooster causes the sun to come up every morning with his crowing.
Logical fallacies assume A caused B because B did not happen until A happened.
Could there be another reason you noticed improved customer service, such as less stress, since the prices and products have returned to more "normal", pre-panic levels?
Maybe there are fewer angry customers since the prices have dropped a bit and certain firearms are no longer scarce?
Just throwing that out as possibilities.
:wave:
PM sent
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Would you be okay with it if someone started a thread called "who is the grouchiest 2aMember" with your name at the top of the list?
How would you feel?
Why do you think many young teenagers commit suicide because of cyber bullying?
Who has the largest nose at Defcon school?
Who is the meanest girl at Twin eye fall school?
Who has the ugliest clothes?
The poll could have just mentioned the particular vendor, but no, it had to single out names. Why?
Even the vendors name would not be necessary, just a poll on improved customer service is suffice.
Get rid of the names.
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Would you be okay with it if someone started a thread called "who is the grouchiest 2aMember" with your name at the top of the list?
How would you feel?
If you're talking to me, it wouldn't bother me at all.
Why do you think many young teenagers commit suicide because of cyber bullying?
Because they're weak minded kids who were raised by parents that whined and complained about other people's words.
They've been sheltered and babied from the real world and ill equipped to handle a simple case of teasing.
The poll could have just mentioned the particular vendor, but no, it had to single out names. Why?
Even the vendors name would not be necessary, just a poll on improved customer service is suffice.
Get rid of the names.
This thread is almost three years old.
You're welcome to start any thread you'd like, and pacify it any way you deem politically correct.
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Blame Benji for resurrecting this thread after 15 months of no comments!!!
:rofl: >:D :rofl: >:D :rofl: >:D
(http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad287/Doug_Moose/Zombie_zps59e9ff20.jpg) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/Doug_Moose/media/Zombie_zps59e9ff20.jpg.html)
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Some may think this is a fun thread.
I don't.
I hope many of you will realize that this is exactly what they call[b] "cyber bullying."[/b][/color]
#tissue? :wacko:
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If you're talking to me, it wouldn't bother me at all.
Doesn't bother me at all too, but isn't that what America is all about, caring for the weak? But we see right thru you, because the line under here is so full of bs I can smell it from my house.
Usually people who talk tough, are the most sissy of all. The most insecure.
Because they're weak minded kids who were raised by parents that whined and complained about other people's words.
They've been sheltered and babied from the real world and ill equipped to handle a simple case of teasing.
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#tissue? :wacko:
Look at you mr moderator. Your the one that cry when they try to take you guns away.
I cry for you because you have no balls to fight for what is right.
When the real wacko comes around I bet you shit your pants.
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wow
you just crossed the line, 1422
chris has done more to "fight for what is right" than anyone on this board when it comes to 2a
he not only has he had the balls, he spent plenty of his own time and money
your post shows your true self
not that other christian propaganda you spread in your other threads
if the mods don't ban you, i don't think you'll find much support from the other members now that you have shown your true colors
Look at you mr moderator. Your the one that cry when they try to take you guns away.
I cry for you because you have no balls to fight for what is right.
When the real wacko comes around I bet you shit your pants.
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What?
I thought it was all right to tease?
What line was crossed? He didn't seem to mind the fun and games.
Only they can tease and have fun?
Why the double standard?
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your post shows your true self
not that other christian propaganda you spread in your other threads
My true colors? Here it is
I dislike bullies very much, ditto people who participate in hazing. Just as America and fellow Christians run and jump to save and defend the weak I will do the same.
Chris shows his true colors by having no sympathy for the weak.
KK shows his by belittle people.
I have never seen a poll that critic business in a personal way like that.
Have you ever seen a poll that said "who is the slowest waitress in the hotel industry?"
Or what bartender makes the most mistake and the junkiest drink?
They don't exist!!!!!
So I ask why single out the gun sales people.
Who is the sloppiest electrician in the county of Hawaii? Then you name the people and make a poll.
Give me a break, that is BS.
And where was the moderators?
This should have been stopped long ago. Someone said 3 yrs? Good grief. End it.
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the line was crossed when you attacked a moderator and someone who has done so much for our cause
it's not a double standard
he runs this place and you are a guest here, just like the rest of us
keep digging the hole deeper, 1422
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Someone should have locked this thread a long time ago.
Just my humble opinion. :shake:
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And I'm sure Chris has more training and experience to deal with a 'wacko' then you every will, so you can shove that one up your ass as well.
So he can call me wacko, but I cannot make a reply?
Why is that? The moderator can call me a wacko but when I reply I have to shove it up my ass.
Right.
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really?
for saying "#tissue" to you?
i see him showing no sympathy for you
are you admitting that you are weak?
that's what i thought...
Chris shows his true colors by having no sympathy for the weak.
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1422, why don't you start your own thread, to insult people and call names.
First you say it's insulting.
Then you go and call names and try and illicit a reaction from people.
All this after you go around proclaiming your Christianity.
Sad.
Please take your arguments to another thread.
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I'm done.
Chris close this thread.
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really?
for saying "#tissue" to you?
i see him showing no sympathy for you
are you admitting that you are weak?
that's what i thought...
Ok last reply.
What is the ICON next to the tissue? A happy face?
Please.
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right.....
chris, i suggest you leave this thread open so that everyone can see who this guy really is
I'm done.
Chris close this thread.
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I'm done.
Chris close this thread.
Why don't you mind your own business and allow this thread to do what it was intended to do. Make the public aware that not all gun stores are created equal.
This thread has basically set the bar and said that good prices are great but customer service is the priority.
Much like EVERY other business out there, customer reviews help people decide where to spend their money.
Have you ever heard of yelp, or google reviews, or yahoo reviews?
When you buy a car, go to Walmart or buy a burger com McDonald's, you're given the opportunity to voice your opinion on the level of customer service.
Everywhere you turn there are polls and reviews that expose bad customer service and reward good customer service.
The gun business is one of the few businesses out there that doesn't have the main stream reviews like most other businesses do.
A forum like this is a valuable tool that helps prospective buyers.
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oh....my.....gawd.....
all this was about an ICON?
you need to go pray, or take more meds
or both...
Please.
Ok last reply.
What is the ICON next to the tissue? A happy face?
Please.
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What we should do is start banning members who have more than 1 account and post non constructive posts on threads.
:stopjack:
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What we should do is start banning members who have more than 1 account and post non constructive posts on threads.
:stopjack:
wah wah wah...you can dish it out but cant take it
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Why don't you mind your own business and allow this thread to do what it was intended to do. Make the public aware that not all gun stores are created equal.
This thread has basically set the bar and said that good prices are great but customer service is the priority.
Much like EVERY other business out there, customer reviews help people decide where to spend their money.
Have you ever heard of yelp, or google reviews, or yahoo reviews?
When you buy a car, go to Walmart or buy a burger com McDonald's, you're given the opportunity to voice your opinion on the level of customer service.
Everywhere you turn there are polls and reviews that expose bad customer service and reward good customer service.
The gun business is one of the few businesses out there that doesn't have the main stream reviews like most other businesses do.
A forum like this is a valuable tool that helps prospective buyers.
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This thread has basically set the bar and said that good prices are great but customer service is the priority.
Much like EVERY other business out there, customer reviews help people decide where to spend their money.
Have you ever heard of yelp, or google reviews, or yahoo reviews?
When you buy a car, go to Walmart or buy a burger com McDonald's, you're given the opportunity to voice your opinion on the level of customer service.
Everywhere you turn there are polls and reviews that expose bad customer service and reward good customer service.
The gun business is one of the few businesses out there that doesn't have the main stream reviews like most other businesses do.
A forum like this is a valuable tool that helps prospective buyers.
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Dude, you got some fckin problems. He used a wacko SYMBOL. No where in this thread did he call you a wacko.
And as Macsak said, you are a guest here. If you don't like what is being said, either ignore the thread or remove yourself from the forum. You won't find any support if you ever unnecessarily disrespect any of the senior members like that again, and I'm pretty sure you will be banned from the site.
oh....my.....gawd.....
all this was about an ICON?
you need to go pray, or take more meds
or both...
Please.
I don't know if anyone figured this out yet, so this may not be news, but if you read posts on TAPATALK and someone uses various icons, you don't see the icons. TAPATALK doesn't even recognize emoticons. So what we TAPATALK readers see when someone uses an icon on a post in a regular browser, is a word between two colons. So if you use the whacko icon in a post in safari or chrome or IE, TAPATALK users see :whacko: you'll see :popcorn: :stopjack: :sleeping: :shake: :shaka: :cool: :thumbsup: those are most popular. ......jus sayin....
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He's right. No emoticons. Jus those colons and words. Like :shakka:
I don't know if anyone figured this out yet, so this may not be news, but if you read posts on TAPATALK and someone uses various icons, you don't see the icons. TAPATALK doesn't even recognize emoticons. So what we TAPATALK readers see when someone uses an icon on a post in a regular browser, is a word between two colons. So if you use the whacko icon in a post in safari or chrome or IE, TAPATALK users see :whacko: you'll see :popcorn: :stopjack: :sleeping: :shake: :shaka: :cool: :thumbsup: those are most popular. ......jus sayin....
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Time told the truth.
As KK stated, this was merely an informational thread. For you(anyone) to get offended by it, means that you have mistook/misunderstood/misread what this thread is about.
I'm 22 years old, am proud to be American, a Christian, and a firearms owner. And I also am proud to be able to decipher from informational, and harmful.
If this thread were harmful, three years ago, this thread would have been destroyed. But, being that it ISN'T, it is still open to this day for DISCUSSION, INFORMATION, and EQUALIZATION.
Every shop has a chance to stand up for themselves, or see what's being said here and right the wrong.
It's up to you to see it.
#youngkid.
REALTALK.
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Time told the truth.
As KK stated, this was merely an informational thread. For you(anyone) to get offended by it, means that you have mistook/misunderstood/misread what this thread is about.
I'm 22 years old, am proud to be American, a Christian, and a firearms owner. And I also am proud to be able to decipher from informational, and harmful.
If this thread were harmful, three years ago, this thread would have been destroyed. But, being that it ISN'T, it is still open to this day for DISCUSSION, INFORMATION, and EQUALIZATION.
Every shop has a chance to stand up for themselves, or see what's being said here and right the wrong.
It's up to you to see it.
#youngkid.
REALTALK.
Exactly.
Honolulu firearms has managed to take the "Worst gun store" on Oahu and turned it around to one of the best gun stores.
They did this with superior customer service.
How do I know this?
Because many people have gone on this very thread and informed the public about the great experience they had there.
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I've bought several guns, ammo, and accessories from different shops here in Oahu. Being from the mainland and Mississippi to be exact, it's a little difficult for me to get adjusted to the laws here. I'm used to going to the gunshow with a firearm and trading it or selling it with no paperwork, so this place came was a shock to me. But I do try to help the guys out that want to get a firearm or bring one to the islands and promote the LGS at work whenever I can.
Here's my experiences:
OGC: Bought 2 guns from them and did an FFL (my 1st) and it went smoothly. Those guys were very helpful and never had a problem with them, except parking at certain times, but i've learned that parking+Oahu=craptastic.
Young Guns: Very helpful, bought a lot of ammo from them, parking sucks sometimes, I park at ben Franklins and walk over.
Magnum: Bought 1 gun and was going to buy another, but whoever the salesman was told me he would have to go and see if they had it in the warehouse? But didn't feel like checking at the time, so I walked out. But other than that one time they've been very helpful.
KGS: I was told by the local guys I work with he was kinda off, I went and found that out for myself. Haven't been back.
Security HI: Very helpful guys.
I haven't been to the other shops yet, but I'm sure i'll make it around.
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I've bought guns from every gun store in Hawaii except a couple of the very new ones.
Prices can be good at every gun store but I usually spend my money where I have the most fun.
For me that means, where I enjoy talking story with the employees or owners of the particular gun store.
I enjoy shooting and enjoy sharing and hearing stories about shooting and past or upcoming shooting events.
Bottom line for me is that I'll spend my money where I receive the best service and where the friendliest workers are.
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Exactly.
Honolulu firearms has managed to take the "Worst gun store" on Oahu and turned it around to one of the best gun stores.
They did this with superior customer service.
How do I know this?
Because many people have gone on this very thread and informed the public about the great experience they had there.
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#1 Example, and best proof of what this thread, and threads like this, have done for the firearms economy on our island.
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I've bought guns from Honolulu Firearms and from Magnum.
Truth is that Brian was always super cool to talk to and very helpful. (Magnum days)
I knowingly overpaid for many guns there just because of that.
Customer service is king in any business where you're in front of customers.
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Can someone please tell me who is who? I'm confused :wacko: :))
Funtimes,
I have a feeling a lot of the people causing all the BS on this forum share the same IP address.
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Can someone please tell me who is who? I'm confused :wacko: :))
I'm not surprised. ;D
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Can someone please tell me who is who? I'm confused :wacko: :))
Honolulu firearms is located on queen st.
OGC is located on Kahai st.
X-Ring is located on Pupuole Pl.
Young guns is located on Paa st.
Security Equipment is located on Young St.
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Ur killin me bro
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He's right. No emoticons. Jus those colons and words. Like :shakka:
K....let me diffuse the tension in this thread with one off topic post, if the mods allow....
So you wanna hear da potogee moment of the year?
Wen I first joined the forum recently, i immediately started using TAPATALK, and I saw all those words in colons.......so I started doing it too. I didnt know what the hell i was doing but i was all cool like, yeah, im using the lingo....uhraight! but had no idea they were originally icons!
So anyway, I always got the thumbs up, shaka, cool, but I didn't know what some others were. So i was like 'whats this :popcorn: shit' and said fuckit - im gonna google for online lingo or urban slang, and see what this is about.
so, like a first class babooze, I looked up 'popcorn'........it said it alludes to drama........and it said sometimes people use popcorn icons or a string of them to signify someone's creating drama.......so I was like aw man, all these low rent posters, won't even shell out for the emoji keyboard app for their iPhones.....cheeeep city! LOL
So then for my next post, I was like, no more typing words in colons....im gonna use emoticons....yeah baby. so i opened my emoji emoticons keyboard, and was like...yo, where's the friggin shakes, the popcorn, and the shakas, and the stopjack......then I was allll confused!
So I said, lemme go on safari and go post on the website so I could use "THEIR" icons......and when I started typing, and saw the icon selection......all of a sudden it hit me......and all that typing of words in colons, and thinking people were cheap for not using emoji, etc, all crystallized....and I said out loud...."IM A DOUCHE UH-BAAAGGG, and was rolling on the floor laughing......or I should say :ROFL:
K.....if no body laughed at that potogee story, they ain't got NO sense of humor........sorry mods.
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Lets forget all the :popcorn: and get :stopjack:
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Ur killin me bro
Who me? :-*
If it's any consolation, I just figured out why there are a bunch of other "polls" in the general discussion area. I stop looking at the forum for a few hours and I miss all the excitement and miss out on a great deal for a range bag in the for sale section. :sleeping:
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aw man, are you still giving me grief about the range bag?
i said i would give you a deal on the minimags
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Who me? :-*
If it's any consolation, I just figured out why there are a bunch of other "polls" in the general discussion area. I stop looking at the forum for a few hours and I miss all the excitement and miss out on a great deal for a range bag in the for sale section. :sleeping:
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WOW!!! Pages 6,7, & 8 got really intense huh.. MEAN DA DOPE!!! :rofl: Thanks again for da entertainment guys, I love dis forum :shaka:
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Awesome thread!
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Awesome! Rofl
K....let me diffuse the tension in this thread with one off topic post, if the mods allow....
So you wanna hear da potogee moment of the year?
Wen I first joined the forum recently, i immediately started using TAPATALK, and I saw all those words in colons.......so I started doing it too. I didnt know what the hell i was doing but i was all cool like, yeah, im using the lingo....uhraight! but had no idea they were originally icons!
So anyway, I always got the thumbs up, shaka, cool, but I didn't know what some others were. So i was like 'whats this :popcorn: shit' and said fuckit - im gonna google for online lingo or urban slang, and see what this is about.
so, like a first class babooze, I looked up 'popcorn'........it said it alludes to drama........and it said sometimes people use popcorn icons or a string of them to signify someone's creating drama.......so I was like aw man, all these low rent posters, won't even shell out for the emoji keyboard app for their iPhones.....cheeeep city! LOL
So then for my next post, I was like, no more typing words in colons....im gonna use emoticons....yeah baby. so i opened my emoji emoticons keyboard, and was like...yo, where's the friggin shakes, the popcorn, and the shakas, and the stopjack......then I was allll confused!
So I said, lemme go on safari and go post on the website so I could use "THEIR" icons......and when I started typing, and saw the icon selection......all of a sudden it hit me......and all that typing of words in colons, and thinking people were cheap for not using emoji, etc, all crystallized....and I said out loud...."IM A DOUCHE UH-BAAAGGG, and was rolling on the floor laughing......or I should say :ROFL:
K.....if no body laughed at that potogee story, they ain't got NO sense of humor........sorry mods.
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Nope. I've never defended the weak. Not any time in that 10 years I sacrificed with my family for 10 years while deployed on a Submarine for Enduring Freedom / Iraqi freedom. Not in the classes that I offered victims of crime, business in downtown chinatown that I offered to train for free, victims of any violent incident who I would train and educate for free. No weak people in the 500+ students in the last two years that I have personally put through 8+ hours of firearms education; not in the time we volunteered for teaching first aid-cpr at schools.
Not for the dozens of hours I've spent helping individuals from OWS in Thomas Square or filing lawsuits on behalf of myself or other individuals.
You know, come to think of it, I don't think I've ever done something nice for those people!
As far as your cyber bullying goes - kids need to tuff it up; and most of the parents that I see don't pay attention to their kids anyways. Aside from that, what I see is many people of all ages calling a spade, a spade. People call you fat? Guess what, you are probably fat. People tell you that you stink? Well, unless you have a medical condition your ass might need some deodorant or a bath. Most of these issues are personal choices that people can change, and some are not.
Do I make fun of people? Not ones that can't help it no - and generally it's people who purposefully put themselves in the spotlight and open their mouth in a public setting who I let loose on (Politicians).
People called me stupid growing up? Why? I dropped out of high school. (Don't mention that I had a 4.0 GPA for all of UMUC undergrad courses, and am in graduate school now)
People still call me fat!
All of my friends ride my ass online, give me shit, talk crap, make jokes. It made me a better person.
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a funny scene from GRAN TORINO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXD8yOxIPB0#)
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^^^ best dialogue in the movie. :thumbsup:
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WOW!!! Pages 6,7, & 8 got really intense huh.. MEAN DA DOPE!!! :rofl: Thanks again for da entertainment guys, I love dis forum :shaka:
Awesome thread!
I stop looking at the forum for a few hours and I miss all the excitement and miss out on a great deal for a range bag in the for sale section. :sleeping:
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yah man awesome thread, talk about a roller coaster ride! i think some of us really need to revaluate there mental assessments when HPD ask us if were mentally stable to legally own firearms.
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aw, man, are you salty about the range bags like flabby808?
i had to pay him off so he stops crying about it, am i gonna have to give you something too?
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Nah Man.
I got my goody bag from the Pau Hana so I'm all good. ! ( and thank you )
Trade you used dental utensils for a range bag? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I only missed it by minutes.
As Yosemite Sam says: FrigginMigginSigginRigaMoral.
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how's the taro?
Nah Man.
I got my goody bag from the Pau Hana so I'm all good. ! ( and thank you )
Trade you used dental utensils for a range bag? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I only missed it by minutes.
As Yosemite Sam says: FrigginMigginSigginRigaMoral.
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Would you be okay with it if someone started a thread called "who is the grouchiest 2aMember" with your name at the top of the list?
How would you feel?
Why do you think many young teenagers commit suicide because of cyber bullying?
Who has the largest nose at Defcon school?
Who is the meanest girl at Twin eye fall school?
Who has the ugliest clothes?
The poll could have just mentioned the particular vendor, but no, it had to single out names. Why?
Even the vendors name would not be necessary, just a poll on improved customer service is suffice.
Get rid of the names.
I think in general people need to grow thicker skin. It's the internet; people are entitled to their comments and opinions. The stores and store owners are the pillars of our firearm community; they are going to be commented on at some point. I thought this was playful and in good natured.
If someone started a poll and I was at the top for being the grouchiest person, I think I would take a deep introspective look at myself and see if I truly was presenting myself in such a way that was off-putting, ESPECIALLY if my business and financial well being (i.e. being able to provide for my family and feed my kids) was dependent on customer service and how people perceive me. Either way, I would be grateful for the feedback, because it allows me to change my behavior to ensure my business survives. But that's just me. People are more than welcome to run their businesses and represent themselves on the internet however they please, and I wish them all the best.
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This has been an interesting read.
I have been to mostly all of the guns shops on Oahu.
Some days the owners/workers are in a good mood, sometimes not.
I think it is purely a reaction to all of the PITA customers. :grrr:
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This has been an interesting read.
I have been to mostly all of the guns shops on Oahu.
Some days the owners/workers are in a good mood, sometimes not.
I think it is purely a reaction to all of the PITA customers. :grrr:
Customer service is hard.
I've seen people ask the dumbest questions, simply because they didn't know any better.
I once heard a guy walk in to a gun shop and ask "I can't legally buy a gun, if I pay a little more can I buy it without paperwork?"
This was at magnum and he asked Art.
Art kicked him out and told him he was calling the police.
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I refuse to vote but one thing I'll say. Anyone (including myself) who manages people or a business or organization (in my case) is going to be grouchy at times. Try dealing with employees that screw up or potentially jeopardize everything you have worked hard to achieve by doing some dumbshit thing. It happens and can be challenging at times, and OBTW the prick customers who push your patience but yet you try to accommodate them, all the while you are trying to pay the bills, pay your employees, and keep a good inventory. That adds a nice dynamic to the owners frustration and sometimes grouchiness.
I will say one thing about Carter since people like to bring his name up. I enjoy dealing with him and had nothing but good experiences. He has been professional, thorough, very trustworthy, and has provided me good sound advice and useful recommendations. Some may bitch or complain but he is one of the few guys in this business that I trust and I will always consider when I make a purchase or need a good FFL to transfer a firearm. Some may have different experiences but mine have all been pleasant.
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Customer service is hard.
I've seen people ask the dumbest questions, simply because they didn't know any better.
I once heard a guy walk in to a gun shop and ask "I can't legally buy a gun, if I pay a little more can I buy it without paperwork?"
It sure is! It's easy for a customer to write a scathing review as opposed to take the time to right a good one. Everyone has their off days, good days and bad. That said I have nothing but respect for people who create something out of nothing and start their own business. I would like to do the same, one day. I've shopped at most places and have had overall positive experiences. Sometimes you hear things that come out a little gruff. Why take it so seriously?
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Amen to that.
Anyways I had an unpleasant experience at Honolulu firearms with just one of the guys. The young asian guy had a very arrogant attitude when I asked him about getting an item. Since then I haven't returned to the shop.
I do like Tony from Gun source he's a cool guy, but when he started to inflate his prices, I don't really want to go back to buy anything purely because I don't want to pay a ridiculous amount for something. It suck ls cause he's real helpful and nice.
I also really like OGC. and SEC. Prices are awesome and that's what drew me to the places in the first place.
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And it doesn't help that they can request / pay yelp to remove those negative reviews.
Did not know this, is this new?
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Did not know this, is this new?
wouldnt be that surprising, most 3rd party ratings can be 'finessed'
better business bureau will bump you up a grade for a fee
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All those yelp and other "user" submitted reviews are manipulated by friends and employees of whatever business is being rated.
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I think a new poll should be made for 2013 and a new one for 2014. Things could have changed for the better.
As for Yelp, a couple of my poor reviews got removed. I also know that some owners get their friends to put in 5 stars for them. I generally don't believe the good reviews, only the bad ones. They are the ones that are honest. Never trust a 5 star review.
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Honolulu Firearms is not Magnum Firearms anymore.
I can say with certitude that anyone who was a jerk, is now long gone. And it was more than just one person.
I agree with what KK said about them turning it around from being the most jerk-ass store on Oahu, to probably one of the best.
I have had nothing but top service from them recently.
The people there now are great. It is bad that they inherited the B.S. from a past era, and it will take some time for them to recover from that bad press.
As for the other stores, nothing they can do would bother me as much as what Art-titude I experienced at Magnum, so I am cool with all the other stores (so far).
Magnum needed a regime change, and it was done in a manner not voluntarily for the previous owner, but for the better.
Let's not forget the forest for the trees.
EVERYONE who is a responsible firearm owner should (unless I am missing something) want to grow the number of responsible and properly trained firearms owners in America, whether store owners, or customers. That also goes for firearms forums. Unless you are debating a specific point (and keeping to debating the points, not the persons), there is no need to cause animosity amongst our community. The mainstream media is working hard to do that to us already, so there is little need for us to help that agenda along. I should not need to say this, but maybe a reminder is timely here lest we forget the larger picture.
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Daniel at KGS must have read this thread ( or took his meds today ) because he was THE COOLEST guy today.
I gotta give props to him because I had a great experience in his store.
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Daniel at KGS must have read this thread ( or took his meds today ) because he was THE COOLEST guy today.
I gotta give props to him because I had a great experience in his store.
Last time i went to KGS it was during the panic. He was still selling stripped lowers with $0 panic markups for $99 each. When i got there, i bought two. He even gave me a $4 discount per lower! He's definitely earned regular customer that day. Well.....a regular customer if i had money to buy anything LOL :crazy: ::)
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I must say, his attitude has been improving quite a bit lately.
Gave him a rang a few weeks ago, and he was very accommodating and helpful. Was wondering if it was just a fluke, and called again for another item, and same thing.
If this keeps up, I'll definitely swing by with my brother to see how it goes. If he can maintain this good attitude with my brother, he will earn a lifetime customer in him.
The reality is that threads like this open the eyes of gun store owners and employees.
They actually do read these threads or have customers and friends that read it.
Being mean to customers is shooting yourself in the foot and taking money from your own pocket.
We are fortunate here on Oahu to have some very good gun stores. 99% of the owners and employees are very nice, helpful and knowledgeable.
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Yes. It is actually surprising how many LGS we have here, and all of them are generally decent.
The equation is simple: The more responsible gun owners there are in America, the more protected our rights are (not just gun rights, also other rights). Everything we say and do should be to help new owners get competent, and attract (not turn away) potential new owners. This includes helping give critical feedback to LGS so that THEY can improve their services and in this way we will indirectly help the next customer who walks into the LGS.