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Title: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: DocMercy on November 30, 2021, 05:17:32 PM
As a beginner, I get a lot of tips from everyone about what I am doing wrong with my shooting. On the internet, there are also lots of people giving advice. One youtuber tells people to ignore aim- just place a stronger grip on the pistol. He says your aim will (magically) improve when you follow this recommendation. The thing he does not warn you about is fatigue and aim-wandering from using a tight grip.

This led to me searching for other opinions, one of which focuses on controlling the forces that matter. Instead of spouting advice like other talking heads, the guy in the video below uses clips from professionals and competition shooters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBd3ColVJ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBd3ColVJ0)

But, you say, you (the average gun owner) are not a competition shooter, and what works for Annie Oakley does not work for the masses. The first semi-automatic pistol was invented 13 decades ago by Salvator Dormus (according to Wikipedia). That's not a long time ago. The question is why haven't a team of scientists come up with a training gun with pressure sensors around the grip and underslide to determine the optimum position of the fingers, palms, etc., to improve human accuracy? Why? Because like Chess and the game of Go, robots will outshoot humans in several years. Welcome Robocop and Terminator.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 30, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
Grip is for recoil control.

What u gotta do is get out and shoot more and see which advice works for you.

The reason why scientist havent done much is because everyones body is different and no way to apply said science unless you too hook yourself up to the same machine.

Theres vids of instructors activating the trigger while someone else is holding the gun and hitting an X at 25yrds. The point is to show the squeeze affects accuracy.

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Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 30, 2021, 08:11:30 PM
I was introduced to the isometric method of gripping the pistol at Front Sight.  Push with the strong hand, and pull with the support hand.  That means the force being applied is no longer exclusively in the fingers and hands, but more in the arms.  As in the video, it relaxes the hands so the trigger finger and hands in general are not as super-tense. 

This only works with a 2-handed grip, of course.  That's one reason they call this a "competition grip."  But, it wouldn't be a bad thing to learn if trying to hit the top 1/4th of a terrorist's noggin as he holds a hostage in front of him.

Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: macsak on November 30, 2021, 09:15:57 PM
As a beginner, I get a lot of tips from everyone about what I am doing wrong with my shooting. On the internet, there are also lots of people giving advice. One youtuber tells people to ignore aim- just place a stronger grip on the pistol. He says your aim will (magically) improve when you follow this recommendation. The thing he does not warn you about is fatigue and aim-wandering from using a tight grip.

This led to me searching for other opinions, one of which focuses on controlling the forces that matter. Instead of spouting advice like other talking heads, the guy in the video below uses clips from professionals and competition shooters.

But, you say, you (the average gun owner) are not a competition shooter, and what works for Annie Oakley does not work for the masses. The first semi-automatic pistol was invented 13 decades ago by Salvator Dormus (according to Wikipedia). That's not a long time ago. The question is why haven't a team of scientists come up with a training gun with pressure sensors around the grip and underslide to determine the optimum position of the fingers, palms, etc., to improve human accuracy? Why? Because like Chess and the game of Go, robots will outshoot humans in several years. Welcome Robocop and Terminator.

the main tip you need to know right now is that the weak hand thumb goes high on the frame parallel to the slide, NOT behind the slide...
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 01, 2021, 09:12:16 AM
Doc,

I got into shooting in 2016. I consider myself the resident noob compared to many other regulars here.  Below is my XP.

1) I too watched many vids and got advice from others. The issue is, you get info overload.  So what works for 1, may not work for another.  So like I posted above, pick 1 person/YT advice and go shoot at least a couple hundred rounds trying that method.  I say what works for 1 and not others because my old neighbor "tea cups", but is a way better shot than I am.  He's been shooting for 40 years.  So if he's fast and accurate, why change.  There are some concepts that are similar though with all instructors.

When I first started, I shot at an indoor range all the time.  The reason is because they allowed me to shoot the way I want, which is from a holster and rapid fire.  And at 15yrds or less.  The bullseye side at KHSC is boring and not for my type of shooting.  But due to prices, you may not be able to afford doing so.  They were already expensive pre-covid, now they're even more. Unless you got the budget, then go for it. 

Then I heard about the HDF open shoots. They meet my shooting practice requirements and are way cheaper. But the only down side is that it's only once a month.  I would go to the indoor range 1-2 times a week.  So basically, you need more reps.  Relying on the open shoot is like exercising only once a month for a total noob.  Don't expect fast results if only waiting for HDF open shoots.  You need more range time to get proficient as a beginner.   I remember my first time at the open shoot, I shot 200rds in less than 20 minutes.

2) Take what you see online with a grain of salt.  Some gun influences were known to speed up their vids to make it appear that they are shooting faster.  Then adding in the "ping" sound for hits on steel.  Also they may be using reduced loads.  Which means the recoil is less due to less powder in each cartilage. My VP9 spits out brass 3 feet away.  I've seen another influencer and the brass barely ejects 2 inches. 

3) With relation to the influencers above, remember that many of them have been shooting for decades.  So their fundamentals are on key.  That is why many can pick up any gun and shoot it well.  I remember your other post about switching from a Glock to the HK.  The phrase "it's the Indian, not the arrow" comes to mind.  Most guns are more accurate than the shooter.  Even factory Glocks/SIGs.

4) For me, I figured out with all the caffeine running thru my veins, I can hold my pistol on a target for about 7 seconds before I get noticeable front post movement.  I also fatigue toward the end of HDF skill builders with my grip.  This is due to the weather and using that muscle group only once a  month.  I do workout a lot and have a stronger grip than normal people.  But this grip is for weights, which is a round bar about 1 inch wide.  Not for a pistol grip.  So even though I can deadlift 400+lbs with out any "wraps", my grip fatigues when using a pistol.  Then factor in what I wrote above about the once a month thing. My gym grip is much stronger because I'm at the gym 5x a week.  If I only workout once a month, I'm sure my grip wouldn't be as strong.

5) Dry fire does help me, but only so much.  I have a mental disconnect once live ammo is used.  When I dry fire at home, i line up my front post with the lines on the wall. it barely moves when pressing the trigger. This is slow fire, holster IWB/OWB, what ever.  But once I get the range, knowing the gun will now go bang cause me to flinch way more.  I'm still trying to train thru this, but will need way more range time than my once a month open shoot sessions.  For now though, I'm OK with it.

So in the end, get more range time. The hard part is due to the price of ammo, you may be limited compared to precovid prices.  Unless you got the budget, then the ammo cost doesn't matter.  After trying 1 method for a few hundred rounds, see if you tweak something and you get better.  I would recommend, instead of buying another gun, save the money for ammo and training.  Once you figure out what you like or don't like about your current gun, then upgrade as needed. 

My only handgun is the VP9. I tried a SIG P320 and didn't like the feel of it.  So I won't buy that.  I do like the feel of Glocks and the CZ P10C and 1911's.  But it took months of training with the VP9 for me to figure that out.  This way I have enough XP to compare things to. 

1 story that is often told is that when I took private instruction at KHSC bullseye side when I was about 6 months new.  I can hit an index card at 25 yards with 1-2 of 5 shots with my VP9.  This went on for many mags worth.  This was also slow fire (range rules).  Then I tried my instructors G17 about 10 seconds later and got 5 of 5 on that same index card at 25yrds.  It wasn't a warm up issue either.  Today, I can probably get 3-4 shots of 5 consistently into an index card at 25yrds.  Which is an improvement from 1-2.

At the time, the G17 was comparable to the VP9 trigger wise, like there wasn't a way lighter trigger.  And IIRC the barrel was slotted, but since we were slow firing, recoil wasn't an issue.

Feel free to ask me questions or explain more in detail if there are terms or phrases you don't understand.  We are all here to help.  1 thing as a noob that I would often do is ask what does X or Y mean.  1 example was the term FFL was often used when I was asking about guns that the LGS didn't carry.  I had to ask what is a FFL.  Now I know.  And a friend of mine has a Gen 1 Glock. I didn't know what the big deal was so I asked.  Now I understand and got to shoot that Gen1 Glock too.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: stangzilla on December 01, 2021, 11:50:26 AM
strength is required for any sport, including shooting
but it's not everything.  but being strong can help in many ways.  also having stability will help.  stability in your wrists, shoulders, elbows, core, legs
endurance is important too.  with shooting and with survival.  SHTF if you gotta flee your area, or with hunting if you gotta hike for many miles
trigger/range time, like CMO said already, is probably the most important.
when shooting a semiauto pistol, getting a high placement on the handgrip helps with mitigating recoil and getting back on target faster
also find a shooting stance that works for you
having good cardio will help too. if you have to go through a training course, competition, or if you gotta run and then shoot.  if you have poor cardio, you'll be out of breath, heart will be beating faster and stronger, muscle will fatigue faster.  so don't be like BJPenn, work the cardio.   ;)
as far as hand or grip strength to improve shooting accuracy and faster follow up shots, grip strength is good to work on, but also wrist strength like wrist flexion/extension/ulnar and radial deviation are good to work on as well
that's my 2 cents  :shaka:
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 01, 2021, 03:26:37 PM
[snippity doo dah]
1 story that is often told is that when I took private instruction at KHSC bullseye side when I was about 6 months new.  I can hit an index card at 25 yards with 1-2 of 5 shots with my VP9.  This went on for many mags worth.  This was also slow fire (range rules).  Then I tried my instructors G17 about 10 seconds later and got 5 of 5 on that same index card at 25yrds.  It wasn't a warm up issue either.  Today, I can probably get 3-4 shots of 5 consistently into an index card at 25yrds.  Which is an improvement from 1-2.

At the time, the G17 was comparable to the VP9 trigger wise, like there wasn't a way lighter trigger.  And IIRC the barrel was slotted, but since we were slow firing, recoil wasn't an issue.
[snippity yay]

As I mentioned in my post, the back straps that came with my Glocks helped me tremendously.  One thing to be aware of is the differences between the different generations.

If I recall, the Gen 1-3 were by default the "thicker grip" versions, meaning there was a longer grip front to back.  Glock made "S" versions with the slimmer grips for smaller hands.  Those were your only factory options: standard grip for average size hands, and "S" models (e.g. G17S) for those whose hands were too small for the standard size grip.

With Gen 4, they introduced the interchangeable back straps.  So, the bare grip is for lack of a better description the "S" version by default (no additional back straps installed).  Adding the various back straps will give you the original Gen1-3 grip thickness plus 2 other sizes to choose from.

So, it you don't have small hands which the Gen3 "S" version accommodated, and you are using a Gen4 or later, you NEED to add one of the back straps to the grip.  If you don't, I believe you'll never have the results you're looking for.

Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: WTF?Shane on December 01, 2021, 04:06:13 PM
As I mentioned in my post, the back straps that came with my Glocks helped me tremendously.  One thing to be aware of is the differences between the different generations.

If I recall, the Gen 1-3 were by default the "thicker grip" versions, meaning there was a longer grip front to back.  Glock made "S" versions with the slimmer grips for smaller hands.  Those were your only factory options: standard grip for average size hands, and "S" models (e.g. G17S) for those whose hands were too small for the standard size grip.

With Gen 4, they introduced the interchangeable back straps.  So, the bare grip is for lack of a better description the "S" version by default (no additional back straps installed).  Adding the various back straps will give you the original Gen1-3 grip thickness plus 2 other sizes to choose from.

So, it you don't have small hands which the Gen3 "S" version accommodated, and you are using a Gen4 or later, you NEED to add one of the back straps to the grip.  If you don't, I believe you'll never have the results you're looking for.

I haven't heard about the S models. I only know of the SF on the 10mm and 45ACP models.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: Heavies on December 01, 2021, 06:51:05 PM
Grip isn't as important as proper trigger control and sight alignment fundamentals in my opinion and experience.  Having a "good enough grip" to control the handgun, ie not drop the gun or otherwise be unsafe, is enough.

Ignore recoil, control the trigger pull so your sights are not disturbed, you will hit your target.  Once you get this down, and only then, you work on speed and follow up shots.

LOT of dry fire practice will teach your muscle memory.  Front sight focus!
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 01, 2021, 06:54:37 PM
I haven't heard about the S models. I only know of the SF on the 10mm and 45ACP models.

You're right.  I was typing faster than my brain was working (not a difficult thing to accomplish!).

I meant the SF (short frame) versions.  "Short Frame" describes the grip being shorter from front to back, as opposed to "slimmer".  The "S" versions are the new "Slim" versions of a few larger Glocks, like the 21 and 30.  The S models have slimmer (narrower) slides, which may or may not reduce overall dimensions as well as weight. 

I have the G30 Gen4.  There are also the G30SF and G30S.

So much to keep straight.  I know what I own, but the rest of the info was what I picked up years ago.  That's why I said "if I recall".  I'm still looking for a comprehensive list of all Glock models and what Gen they fall in.  Glock only lists the models they currently offer.

Even if you can find all the specs, you have to be looking at the right ones.  Like the Glock 30, for example.  The overall width of the 30, 30S and 30SF are all the same.  But the weights are 30: 750g, 30S: 650g and 30SF: 745g (unloaded weights in grams).  The main difference is the slide width and frame length.  Shortening the frame reduced the weight by 5g between the G30 and G30SF.  But, narrowing the slide cut 100g between the G30 and G30S.

I've found a few SF models: 

Gen 3
- 20SF
- 21SF
- 29SF
- 30SF

The purpose of my post was to make the point that Glock made a variety of grip sizes, and they now include back straps for "custom" length selection.  That's all.

Thanks for the fact-checking.  No matter how much we learn, there's always more.


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Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: drck1000 on December 01, 2021, 08:11:51 PM
Only so much you can get from videos. Esp videos like in the OP. Folks talking about what they do or what works for them but without really showing how and seeing if the person listening/learning is applying correctly. Everyone is built different, so what works for me may not work for someone else.

I’ve been to a couple of instructors that taught similar concepts noted in a couple of those snippets, but explained the application much differently. It also helped to be in classes where they explained to others as well since everyone learns differently. It’s super difficult to explain feel, as well as there are folks that flat out can shoot but don’t know how to teach for crap.

Then after all that, have to spend time shooting as well. Part of learning is also being open to admitting that the trigger puller is the one that needs the work. No magic cure.

Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 02, 2021, 06:35:36 AM
Only so much you can get from videos. Esp videos like in the OP. Folks talking about what they do or what works for them but without really showing how and seeing if the person listening/learning is applying correctly. Everyone is built different, so what works for me may not work for someone else.

I’ve been to a couple of instructors that taught similar concepts noted in a couple of those snippets, but explained the application much differently. It also helped to be in classes where they explained to others as well since everyone learns differently. It’s super difficult to explain feel, as well as there are folks that flat out can shoot but don’t know how to teach for crap.

Then after all that, have to spend time shooting as well. Part of learning is also being open to admitting that the trigger puller is the one that needs the work. No magic cure.

I need a lot of work, lol!  Even though I've owned firearms for 42 years I haven't spent the time to be consistent.

Hopefully now I can spend more time on improving my marksmanship. (retired)
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: drck1000 on December 02, 2021, 07:50:42 AM
I need a lot of work, lol!  Even though I've owned firearms for 42 years I haven't spent the time to be consistent.

Hopefully now I can spend more time on improving my marksmanship. (retired)
That you are interested in improving and want to shoot more is the main thing.   :thumbsup:

I want to shoot often and want to be more consistent, but life, work, etc gets in the way.  I flat out enjoy shooting period, but like anything, I am competitive and want to improve.  Especially when I have opportunity to shoot with folks that make me  :o
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: Inspector on December 02, 2021, 08:14:20 AM
I need a lot of work, lol!  Even though I've owned firearms for 42 years I haven't spent the time to be consistent.

Hopefully now I can spend more time on improving my marksmanship. (retired)
I needed a lot of work when I retired in March 2020. I was okay at shooting all of my guns but not good at what I really wanted and that was to have an advantage over an attacker. I needed to learn how to draw and shoot fast and consistently when shooting fast. I started with one one gun (Glock 17). I took a couple of classes and now I practice drawing with live fire doing only double taps. I will eventually work my way up to multiples larger than doubles. At this point I have the confidence it takes to do what it takes to defend myself and my wife competently. I also now practice with multiple EDC guns. And now I am competent with those guns as well. It has taken me less than a year to get to this point. And I have so much more to learn and I have to practice more to get better.

The bottom line is if an old guy like me can learn and practice and get better I am sure you can too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: stangzilla on December 02, 2021, 09:19:40 AM
Good way to test your grip strength is try shooting a .460 in 1 hand a .500 in the other  :thumbsup:

https://youtu.be/Gyr-7RS-m_g
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: drck1000 on December 02, 2021, 09:23:26 AM
Good way to test your grip strength is try shooting a .460 in 1 hand a .500 in the other  :thumbsup:

SNIP
That's a negative. . .

Maybe you and dogman are the best qualified for that  ;D
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: Inspector on December 02, 2021, 09:26:35 AM
Good way to test your grip strength is try shooting a .460 in 1 hand a .500 in the other  :thumbsup:

https://youtu.be/Gyr-7RS-m_g
I tried shooting my Ruger Super Redhawk in 454 Casull one handed, once. My wrist was sore and swollen for weeks afterward. Never again!  :rofl:
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 02, 2021, 09:43:44 AM
I needed a lot of work when I retired in March 2020. I was okay at shooting all of my guns but not good at what I really wanted and that was to have an advantage over an attacker. I needed to learn how to draw and shoot fast and consistently when shooting fast. I started with one one gun (Glock 17). I took a couple of classes and now I practice drawing with live fire doing only double taps. I will eventually work my way up to multiples larger than doubles. At this point I have the confidence it takes to do what it takes to defend myself and my wife competently. I also now practice with multiple EDC guns. And now I am competent with those guns as well. It has taken me less than a year to get to this point. And I have so much more to learn and I have to practice more to get better.

The bottom line is if an old guy like me can learn and practice and get better I am sure you can too!  :thumbsup:

Great inspiration!  Thanks! :shaka:

Now if I would only get off my lazy ass and get myself down to the range!  I also would like to work myself up to double taps and multiple taps with efficiency although at KHSC pistol range I won't be able to practice that.

Maybe if I attended one of the monthly HDF open shoots....(I've stated my interest but haven't built up the confidence yet.  One day... ;D)
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2021, 09:45:45 AM
That's a negative. . .

Maybe you and dogman are the best qualified for that  ;D

Dogman let Mrs. CMO fire his 500. 2 different ammo, 1 had way more kick than the other. Mrs. CMO wanted 1 after that.  Her wrist was a little sore after though. Cant remember if it was snub nose or not.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
Great inspiration!  Thanks! :shaka:

Now if I would only get off my lazy ass and get myself down to the range!  I also would like to work myself up to double taps and multiple taps with efficiency although at KHSC pistol range I won't be able to practice that.

Maybe if I attended one of the monthly HDF open shoots....(I've stated my interest but haven't built up the confidence yet.  One day... ;D)

Msg me when you wanna go, I'll be there and show you the ropes.  Always good to have someone there when doing something new.  Make sure you bring plenty ammo.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2021, 09:48:48 AM

The bottom line is if an old guy like me can learn and practice and get better I am sure you can too!  :thumbsup:

So you can teach an old dog new tricks.  :rofl:

Mrs. CMO took a CCW class at the woman's conference in CO.  Her IWB draw and 1st shot was about 1.6 seconds IIRC, and she was able to get hits at the target 7 yards away.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 02, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Good way to test your grip strength is try shooting a .460 in 1 hand a .500 in the other  :thumbsup:

https://youtu.be/Gyr-7RS-m_g

Yikes..... :o

Way back when I was young, handsome, and strong :rofl: I would shoot my SW29 one handed.  I was comfortable with the factory loads and usually if I'm lucky I would hit the target (frame, lol!)

Now that I.m old, ugly, and weak I would be reluctant to try.  Maybe with .44 specials I would, lol!
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 02, 2021, 10:00:17 AM
Msg me when you wanna go, I'll be there and show you the ropes.  Always good to have someone there when doing something new.  Make sure you bring plenty ammo.  :thumbsup:

Thanks CMO, I'd like that.  Yeah, I'm new to semi-auto pistols so I want to be 100% sure I can handle the gun safely.  Although I own revolvers, I think it is apples and oranges to pistols aside from the obvious safety rules that are generic to all firearms whether long or short.

So at the KHSC pistol range I practice slowly, watching myself as I load, unload, and do safety checks and malfunction drills.  I have a long way to go before I gain full confidence.

But yeah, I'll find myself one day at the open shoots.  Thanks for the warm invitation. :shaka:
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: Inspector on December 02, 2021, 10:28:47 AM
Great inspiration!  Thanks! :shaka:

Now if I would only get off my lazy ass and get myself down to the range!  I also would like to work myself up to double taps and multiple taps with efficiency although at KHSC pistol range I won't be able to practice that.

Maybe if I attended one of the monthly HDF open shoots....(I've stated my interest but haven't built up the confidence yet.  One day... ;D)
I can vouch for the HDF and their classes. They are all good people and will be very helpful in helping you obtain whatever your goal may be. Everyone has to start somewhere, sometime.

As far as CMO is concerned I don’t know him personally, but anyone who buys that much tinfoil and admits it can’t be all bad!  :rofl:
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: drck1000 on December 02, 2021, 10:37:39 AM
Dogman let Mrs. CMO fire his 500. 2 different ammo, 1 had way more kick than the other. Mrs. CMO wanted 1 after that.  Her wrist was a little sore after though. Cant remember if it was snub nose or not.
I've shot a few of dogman's hand cannons.  I haven't shot revolvers with him in a while, but he usually offers when he does have them on range days.  Been there, done that, web of hand still numb. . .  ;D
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: drck1000 on December 02, 2021, 10:49:53 AM
Msg me when you wanna go, I'll be there and show you the ropes.  Always good to have someone there when doing something new.  Make sure you bring plenty ammo.  :thumbsup:
Same for me.  I haven't gone to HDF or HRA range days in a while, but would be good to have "more" reason do attend. 

Thanks CMO, I'd like that.  Yeah, I'm new to semi-auto pistols so I want to be 100% sure I can handle the gun safely.  Although I own revolvers, I think it is apples and oranges to pistols aside from the obvious safety rules that are generic to all firearms whether long or short.

So at the KHSC pistol range I practice slowly, watching myself as I load, unload, and do safety checks and malfunction drills.  I have a long way to go before I gain full confidence.

But yeah, I'll find myself one day at the open shoots.  Thanks for the warm invitation. :shaka:
Semi-autos "sampling" is definitely an aspect many here can help with, including me.  I bought a number of handguns using range of handguns for when I volunteered with basic pistol classes as "justification" for buying.  I can donate some ammo as well. 
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2021, 11:10:37 AM

As far as CMO is concerned I don’t know him personally, but anyone who buys that much tinfoil and admits it can’t be all bad!  :rofl:

True tin foil members aren't ashamed of admitting their purchase of tin foil.  The fake ones don't admit it, they're prob narc's...
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: macsak on December 02, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
Dogman let Mrs. CMO fire his 500. 2 different ammo, 1 had way more kick than the other. Mrs. CMO wanted 1 after that.  Her wrist was a little sore after though. Cant remember if it was snub nose or not.

mrs CMO not used to handling large caliber "guns"
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: drck1000 on December 02, 2021, 12:35:18 PM
mrs CMO not used to handling large caliber "guns"
.17 HMR. . . :rofl:
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2021, 01:31:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3PHD__2wsE
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: stangzilla on December 02, 2021, 04:01:16 PM
Dogman let Mrs. CMO fire his 500. 2 different ammo, 1 had way more kick than the other. Mrs. CMO wanted 1 after that.  Her wrist was a little sore after though. Cant remember if it was snub nose or not.

iirc, it's a 4" barrel with compensator
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: hvybarrels on December 04, 2021, 09:33:51 AM
iirc, it's a 4" barrel with compensator

Pretty sure he let me try that one as well. It was glorious.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: dogman on December 04, 2021, 10:01:36 AM
iirc, it's a 4" barrel with compensator

Yep, 4" barrel, 1" comp included. If you shot two different loads it was 38 grains H-110 / 400 grain bullet "way more kick" and 41 grains H-110 / 350 grain bullet. Heavier bullet, less powder, more felt recoil. I recommend "Get a Stronger Grip" with this revolver.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: dogman on December 04, 2021, 10:03:20 AM
Pretty sure he let me try that one as well. It was glorious.
Yep, that was me.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: hvybarrels on December 04, 2021, 12:30:37 PM
Yep, that was me.

Thanks again. Still amazes me how the double action was so smooth on a hand canon like that.
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: drck1000 on December 04, 2021, 12:36:01 PM
Yep, 4" barrel, 1" comp included. If you shot two different loads it was 38 grains H-110 / 400 grain bullet "way more kick" and 41 grains H-110 / 350 grain bullet. Heavier bullet, less powder, more felt recoil. I recommend "Get a Stronger Grip" with this revolver.
[Insert video of shooting DE .50 AE without solid grip]

Usually only happens once. . .
Title: Re: Get a Stronger Grip, or Not?
Post by: zippz on December 10, 2021, 09:30:00 PM
There's many reasons to work on grip.  Helps with accuracy, controlling recoil, one hand shooting, pulling long and heavy triggers, weapons retention...

I use this.