OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED. (Read 15965 times)

London808

OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« on: February 10, 2019, 08:12:53 PM »
THIS IS LONG, BUT YOU NEED TO READ IF YOU BELIEVE IN FREEDOM.

Over the last few weeks Hawaii Firearms Coalition has been helping you the people submit testimony to the Hawaii state legislators.

We have been using our web site and the state e-mail system to do so.

It is with great sadness that I need to inform you that all of our work and yours was ignored. Now I don’t mean they heard us but chose not to listen. I mean they made a choice not to hear us at all.

The Senate Committee on public Safety, Intergovernmental, and Military Affairs has arbitrarily decided to not accept testimony submitted to it via e-mail. Ignoring the fact that the e-mail system is an approved and legitimate way to submit testimony. Ignoring the fact that we had confirmed with the public access (information) room, the senate clerks office and the committee chairs office itself that our testimony was being accepted. We even called the day before the hearings to enquire and were told it was being included.

We did not find out it was not included until the day of the hearings after the testimony was released to the public. The number of testimonies missing across the 5 bills is around 700, that means that the other members of the committee were denied the ability to make an educated determination the bills, they were not presented with the will of the people that they are representing. Your testimonies equated to around 75% of the tots submissions. This means that the legislators made a determination of what Hawaii wants and what’s best for us the people whilst ignoring the opinions on 75% of the people.

I Andrew, went to Senator Clarence K. Nishihara’s office (the committee chair) to find out what happened and why. What I was told shocked me beyond belief, this committee has been ignoring this official method of submitting testimonies for 2 legislative sessions. So not only have they ignored the approximately 700 submissions for these 5 bills but they could have ignored thousands of more for dozens of other bills.

When asked why they do this I was told simply that this is just the way we do it, when I asked if it was noted anywhere I was told it was on the hearing notice. So we looked at the hearing notice and guess what, they lied. Although they do link to the legislative website to submit testimony, it’s the same website where it says you can e-mail testimony’s.

I asked for the senator to call me to let me know what happened and he did. What he said was the comments we submitted would be added to the committee report. This is the report generated AFTER the committee hearing and shows its recommendations on the bill. Why would they add something to a report that was not used to determine the outcome of the reporter ? To his what they did. To his the fact that since 2018 this one legislator has made a choice to hear testimonies submitted by e-mails and to not allow the other committee members to do so either.

Now what can we do ?

Here’s the 3 things,
Call and e-mail Senator Clarence K. Nishihara and let him know what you think.
phone: 808-586-6970
sennishihara@capitol.hawaii.gov

Call and e-mail the Senate president and let him know what’s happened and ask him to intervene in stoping the progress of these bills due to the testimony not being handled correctly.
Senator Ronald D. Kouchi
phone: 808-586-6030
senkouchi@capitol.hawaii.gov

Call and e-mail your representatives and let them know that your not happy. You can find your here

You can see a video of my interaction with the senators staff here
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Heavies

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 08:32:13 PM »
As predicted, these assholes DON'T CARE what you say.  This is bullshit and I will be calling and inquiring WHY THE CITIZENS RIGHTS to true representation is BEING IGNORED!  How many other bills across the board have been thrown in the trash? Is this how are votes in elections counted as well? Is this why the CORRUPT criminals continue to get reelected in Hawaii?! Blatant disregard for their oaths sworn when they took office! Blatent!   😠As predicted, these assholes DON'T CARE what you say.  This is bullshit and I will be calling and inquiring WHY THE CITIZENS RIGHTS to true representation is BEING IGNORED!  How many other bills across the board have been thrown in the trash? Is this how are votes in elections counted as well? Is this why the CORRUPT criminals continue to get reelected in Hawaii?! Blatant disregard for their oaths sworn when they took office! Blatent!   😠

Direjackalope

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 08:41:16 PM »
Nice job London. Keep nailing these guys to the wall.

PalisadesKid

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 08:42:20 PM »
HB 1541 on the House side as heard by the House PVM COMMITTEE is the ONLY bill in which the HIFICO email submissions were received, processed, and included on time during it's hearing.

Heavies

macsak

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 08:51:00 PM »
senators
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=S
or you can email ALL senators by using sens@capitol.hawaii.gov

representatives
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=H
or you can email ALL representatives by using reps@capitol.hawaii.gov

London808

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 09:00:32 PM »
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Mdotweber

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2019, 09:09:13 PM »
I just finished emailing Gov. Ige these bastards have gone too far! I'm going to contact some youtube gun channels next. Our only chance of getting crap like this addressed is a media blitzkrieg. KHON news tips-  https://www.khon2.com/report-it 

News now- http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/28557651/send-us-a-news-tip/

101.5 radio- krock1015@hhawaiimedia.com

KHVH studio line- 808-521-8383

FOX news( click on hosts page for individual emails to hosts) https://www.foxnews.com/shows

Breitbart news tip link- https://www.breitbart.com/send-a-tip/

The Gateway Pundit-  Midwestjim@charter.net

Daily Caller news tip - https://dailycaller.com/tips/


"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

Direjackalope

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2019, 09:19:59 PM »
In light of this *ahem* illuminating development do we need to alter the way we do our submissions or are you guys able to do a work around?  (Print and hand deliverer for example.)

London808

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 09:32:21 PM »
In light of this *ahem* illuminating development do we need to alter the way we do our submissions or are you guys able to do a work around?  (Print and hand deliverer for example.)

Im going to print them and hand deliver them.  Watch them have to manually handle hundreds of pages instead.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

changemyoil66

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2019, 09:40:33 PM »
Im going to print them and hand deliver them.  Watch them have to manually handle hundreds of pages instead.
Is there a law or rule that all testiomny must be read by someone on the commitee? If not, they will just out the stack of papers in the corner.

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ren

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2019, 09:43:18 PM »
thanks for all that you guys do
joining...
Deeds Not Words

Mdotweber

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2019, 09:56:33 PM »
The amount of testimony submitted is pretty sad considering the situation that we are in. I've pissed off a lot of people lately(all gun owners) who just don't seem to give a F$@K about their constitutional rights being stripped possibly(figuratively) at gunpoint. What has to happen before people in Hawaii wake up?
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

London808

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2019, 10:01:53 PM »
Is there a law or rule that all testiomny must be read by someone on the commitee? If not, they will just out the stack of papers in the corner.

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Yes it’s  called the first amendment
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

PalisadesKid

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2019, 10:56:12 PM »
In light of this *ahem* illuminating development do we need to alter the way we do our submissions or are you guys able to do a work around?  (Print and hand deliverer for example.)

This was discovered last Thursday, London made his visit Friday and a few of us made calls to other Senate and House Committees as well as the Senate and House clerk offices. All confirmed email submissions, hand delivering, and even via fax were all LEGITIMATE METHODS to submit testimony.

If you look at the published testimonies for HB1541, the HIFICO emails are included.

We shouldn't change a thing when ONE Committee, the Senate PSM Committee, is making up their own rules outside of Senate rules.

punaperson

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2019, 07:05:27 AM »
What has to happen before people in Hawaii wake up?
Dude, the people of Hawaii are already "woke". They voted overwhelmingly for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary election of 2016 (Sanders 71.5%, Clinton 28.3%... one can only imagine the results had Stalin or Mao or Maduro or Castro been on the ballot). They know exactly what they are doing (in their role as useful idiots). They want statist fascist tyrants to rule. Statist fascist tyrants require a disarmed population in order to carry out their "programs". The only thing that could change Hawaii is a mass extinction event and re-population by people having values of individual liberty as paramount. What are the chances of that?

Mdotweber

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2019, 07:57:32 AM »
^^ If you look at our voter turn out only 30ish% percent of our population are the useful idiots we all speak of, the rest are just lazy idiots who dont give a damn. The question is how do we get people to the polls so that we can keep the minority(majority in voter turnout) from deciding our future. I will continue to fight these bills but im not very hopeful. Ive already initiated my plan my plan to leave my homestate and never look back.
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

Kuleana

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2019, 08:11:38 AM »
Dude, the people of Hawaii are already "woke". They voted overwhelmingly for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary election of 2016 (Sanders 71.5%, Clinton 28.3%... one can only imagine the results had Stalin or Mao or Maduro or Castro been on the ballot).

From a predominantly Democratic base, I'd commend their collective decision of going with Sanders, instead of the war criminal Clinton.


They know exactly what they are doing (in their role as useful idiots). They want statist fascist tyrants to rule. Statist fascist tyrants require a disarmed population in order to carry out their "programs"

How can a population, who you said are favorable to obvious socialist/communist individuals such as Stalin, Mao, or Castro; are also keen on having fascist tyrants in power?



The only thing that could change Hawaii is a mass extinction event and re-population by people having values of individual liberty as paramount. What are the chances of that?


So are you saying, you would like all of the local people of Hawaii to just go-to-hell because they do not believe in personal liberty, as you do?

Well, how about this idea: Let's have the US end its illegal occupation of Hawaii, as mandated by its own violations of the US Constitution.  That is definitely another legal event that could change a number things in Hawaii brought over by the American left.

tillamook

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2019, 08:40:04 AM »
Appreciate your work on this

And as someone who attempted to get politically active in Oregon to fight anti-gun legislation and was screwed over multiple times:

London808

Re: OFFICIAL : From HIFICO, WE GOT FUCKED.
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2019, 10:02:32 AM »
Appreciate your work on this

And as someone who attempted to get politically active in Oregon to fight anti-gun legislation and was screwed over multiple times:



They made a mistake this time.......
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016