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General Discussion / Re: How's the line at HPD?
« on: February 07, 2013, 09:32:33 AM »
drove past around 8:40-8:45
line was just inside the doors
erocko beat me to it
http://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/cool.gif
Got here at 915.  Line was just inside the doors.
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General Discussion / Re: Hawaii Murder Stats
« on: February 07, 2013, 01:23:24 AM »
great discussion, but you are only looking at environmental factors
you did mention their effect on emotional wellness
but i think it's more cultural/religious,etc
there are distinct differences is the religious backgrounds of asian/pacific islanders vs whites/blacks/hispanics
asian/paciific islanders are much more likely to be part of the "eastern" religions vs whites/blacks/hispanics are much more likely to be catholic/protestant/mormon
with the major exceptions of filipinos/catholic and pacific islanders/mormon
depending if you believe in the "model minority" theory, asian/pacific islanders are newer immigrants, thus they are more likely to stress education, following the rules, and "fitting in"
and it's mostly a stereotype, but asian/pacific islanders tend to be more "laid back" than some of the other ethnic groups

Moosed,
      I agree with much of what you’re stating. Environment on many levels will dictate the statistics but much of this statistic has to do with mental health in the case of murder outside self protection and those things effecting mental health will be the largest contributors to the stats. The rudiments of mental health begin with physical and emotional development and extend into our social environment. Compromising either of the primary basics can result in mental disorders. Some of the basics we have here in Hawaii with regard to physical environment advantages is our global position between the tropical latitudes, effectively creating year round exposure to the correct solar angle for the body’s effective natural development of vitamin D3 ( a proven vitamin that when lacking often leads to depression and many other physical illnesses). Something as simple as Vitamin D3 can have a huge impact on social behaviors/interactions as well. When we begin to look at the physical environmental advantages, we have an unparalleled advantage in many ways to that of the rest of the nation. Other violent crimes in the state can be much attributed to primal needs but murder itself is most often committed under conditions of mental adversity. So if we look at the D3 advantage, lack of fluoridated water, low levels of airborne lead, etc. We can see a more physically healthy environment emerging and from that base, a better emotional wellness can be established.  There’s always going to be exceptions to the conditions but as an overall consideration, the advantages are pretty clear. The larger part of my original point revolves around governments roll in securing the general welfare of mental wellness, ways to promote it and things to watch out for with regard to those things that can compromise such an effort.  When we have representatives that blindly rush forward with gun initiatives, we are simply wasting resources, which in this case, will result in the opposite effects on the desired outcome.

macsak -  ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Hawaii Murder Stats
« on: February 07, 2013, 01:07:18 AM »
MDS http://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/thumbsup.gif
thanks for keeping it civil
i was trying to illustrate a point about the anti-gun/pro-gun debate and trying to see what kind of reaction i could get out of you on fluoridation
and unfortunately, i was not able to illustrate it fully because you refused to let me bait you into getting emotional
we were lucky that no anti-gun people showed up the other week on gun appreciation day
i don't know how much resistance we will get this friday, but at some point, there will be potential confrontations taking place
it is better not to engage, or just to simply refute their claims by stating simple facts
the ADA taught us to use the exact same tactic i was using with MDS
just say, "that's not scientific"
if you get sucked in to spouting off and getting emotional you lose
it does not further our cause and frankly, the media will use those images against us

i promise to try and stay out of fluoride discussions from now on
note i said, "try"
http://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/shaka.gif

Moosed,
      I agree with much of what you’re stating. Environment on many levels will dictate the statistics but much of this statistic has to do with mental health in the case of murder outside self protection and those things effecting mental health will be the largest contributors to the stats. The rudiments of mental health begin with physical and emotional development and extend into our social environment. Compromising either of the primary basics can result in mental disorders. Some of the basics we have here in Hawaii with regard to physical environment advantages is our global position between the tropical latitudes, effectively creating year round exposure to the correct solar angle for the body’s effective natural development of vitamin D3 ( a proven vitamin that when lacking often leads to depression and many other physical illnesses). Something as simple as Vitamin D3 can have a huge impact on social behaviors/interactions as well. When we begin to look at the physical environmental advantages, we have an unparalleled advantage in many ways to that of the rest of the nation. Other violent crimes in the state can be much attributed to primal needs but murder itself is most often committed under conditions of mental adversity. So if we look at the D3 advantage, lack of fluoridated water, low levels of airborne lead, etc. We can see a more physically healthy environment emerging and from that base, a better emotional wellness can be established.  There’s always going to be exceptions to the conditions but as an overall consideration, the advantages are pretty clear. The larger part of my original point revolves around governments roll in securing the general welfare of mental wellness, ways to promote it and things to watch out for with regard to those things that can compromise such an effort.  When we have representatives that blindly rush forward with gun initiatives, we are simply wasting resources, which in this case, will result in the opposite effects on the desired outcome.

macsak -  ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Hawaii Murder Stats
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:08:09 AM »
sorry
"a
The collecting of news stories utilized The Union Leader (Manchester, NH), and America Online; many of the
stories from these sources originated from The Associated Press or from Reuters. The stories were selected,
based on their content and on my intuition, from my routine daily reading, rather than from a methodical or
exhaustive search using, for example, keywords or search engines. Events were typically multiple murders,
usually with firearms, having an apparent “senseless” character to them. Events with known motives (except
crimes grossly disproportionate to their motives), or which were known to be gang- or drug-related, were
excluded. Domestic violence was excluded unless the victims included children. Stories were typically clipped, or
were downloaded and printed, and placed in a file; periodically, the file would be reviewed, and the fluoridation
status of the locations and of the perpetrators would be determined using the Fluoridation Census 1992.
American Automobile Association roadmaps for the entire United States were regularly consulted to gain
information about locations mentioned in news stories. In many cases telephone calls were made to get detailed
information about local water systems. Calls were also made, with far less success, to get information about
perpetrators and their life histories. Law enforcement personnel were generally reluctant to divulge much in the
aftermath of an event, while it was still being investigated. Efforts to gain information from news writers were
equally fruitless. In many instances, a succession of news stories over a period of time was needed to extract
basic information about an event, as the initial reporting about a multiple shooting might be sketchy. On several
occasions, after a major event, the news sources carried a list of 10 or 15 similar events—school shootings,
workplace shootings, etc. These event lists, if they included events I had not already listed, were typically
searched out using the Internet. This, along with current reporting of event sequelae, such as court proceedings,
provided an avenue for including events going back several years. These lists also provided a basis for
comparison: by the time I had accumulated 152 events, the database was more inclusive, by a factor of ten, than
the longest of these lists which the media had presented; yet it is by no means deemed to be exhaustive."

your article link was better this time (the harvard study)

however, basic scientific facts are lacking in several cases on the second link (drlwilson)
fluorine gas (F2) is a toxic agent, just like chlorine gas (Cl2)
yet NaF (sodium fluoride) is bad, while NaCl (sodium chloride) is table salt
there is a distinct difference between elemental gas (-ine) and ions (-ide)
sodium fluoride is not used in rat poison, sodium fluoroacetate was (warfarin is used now- should we ban warfarin because it is used as a rat poison?)
sodium fluoride is not used in sarin nerve gas, yes it has a P(O)F group in it, but that has nothing to do with fluoride ion
until the anti-fluoridation groups get off the misinformation and stick to the facts, they only appear as fear-mongerers

next time- it would be nice if you used a small m and a k in "macsak"
this is getting way off topic, so i will stop now

Macsac
Umm
Anti-fluoride

We're talking about brain damage and a whole host of other peer reviewed scientific findings of poisoning in the human body through fluoride in drinking water… not Prozac. Prozac was simply noted as the red flag inspiring a deeper search into fluoride as an additive in water. More peer review research is surfacing daily that proves fluorides destructiveness in the human body.

Next time - It would be nice if you were to add quotes around citations derived from the source document.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/harvard-study-published-in-federal-government-journal-finds-fluoride-lowers-childrens-iq.html
http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/fluoridation.htm
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General Discussion / Re: Hawaii Murder Stats
« on: February 06, 2013, 10:25:32 PM »
umm
occam's razor

that study that attempts to associate the CF3 group in prozac to F- in water is not scientific
the study is not from a peer-reviewed journal, it is a paper presented in an anti-flouride association journal
and the first footnote says more than you need to know about the validity of the data
a
The collecting of news stories utilized The Union Leader (Manchester, NH), and America Online; many of the
stories from these sources originated from The Associated Press or from Reuters. The stories were selected,
based on their content and on my intuition, from my routine daily reading, rather than from a methodical or
exhaustive search using, for example, keywords or search engines. Events were typically multiple murders,
usually with firearms, having an apparent “senseless” character to them. Events with known motives (except
crimes grossly disproportionate to their motives), or which were known to be gang- or drug-related, were
excluded. Domestic violence was excluded unless the victims included children. Stories were typically clipped, or
were downloaded and printed, and placed in a file; periodically, the file would be reviewed, and the fluoridation
status of the locations and of the perpetrators would be determined using the Fluoridation Census 1992.
American Automobile Association roadmaps for the entire United States were regularly consulted to gain
information about locations mentioned in news stories. In many cases telephone calls were made to get detailed
information about local water systems. Calls were also made, with far less success, to get information about
perpetrators and their life histories. Law enforcement personnel were generally reluctant to divulge much in the
aftermath of an event, while it was still being investigated. Efforts to gain information from news writers were
equally fruitless. In many instances, a succession of news stories over a period of time was needed to extract
basic information about an event, as the initial reporting about a multiple shooting might be sketchy. On several
occasions, after a major event, the news sources carried a list of 10 or 15 similar events—school shootings,
workplace shootings, etc. These event lists, if they included events I had not already listed, were typically
searched out using the Internet. This, along with current reporting of event sequelae, such as court proceedings,
provided an avenue for including events going back several years. These lists also provided a basis for
comparison: by the time I had accumulated 152 events, the database was more inclusive, by a factor of ten, than
the longest of these lists which the media had presented; yet it is by no means deemed to be exhaustive.
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completed
everyone please submit testimony, even if you plan on showing up on friday
we need as many or more on this bill as on the last one!
keep up the pressure
fight the good fight

Done. :)
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Legal and Activism / Re: This week's Midweek article by Dan Boylan.
« on: February 06, 2013, 09:44:58 AM »
moderator? which forums?

Same old crap. Dan shouldn't be the moderator on forums any more. His anti gun bias is relevant in this week's Midweek. I can't find the article online but I read the print that is sent to our place. dbboylan@yahoo.com
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General Discussion / Re: New Hawaii Five 0 joins anti gun crowd
« on: February 05, 2013, 11:03:51 PM »
i thought peter weller was the guest star/director?

Peter Weller is the special guest star aka ROBOCOP

If you notice in the backwall behind Norm there was a Robocop Beretta Pistol on the wall.  Also the director of this episode is the Robocop director.
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General Discussion / Re: Re: New Hawaii Five 0 joins anti gun crowd
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:34:32 PM »
calling scott caan a midget punk is an insult to midgets, punks , and midget punks

haha
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Off Topic / Re: how many ways can they pronounce "Ookala"?
« on: February 05, 2013, 07:13:03 AM »
yeah, they portrayed "norm" as a typical gun nut store owner
especially when he tried to join in the gunfight with a a .22lr MP5 looking gun and said he is captain of the community watch

cpb is a local sponsor, so i don't know how much they have to say about locations

The way they portrayed Norm's Sport shop was funny but a little off. Danno seemed anti-gun.  The guns on the wall not what security sells! LoL. 

And the scene at hawaii national bank airport branch was so fast. Funny cpb is a sponsor of the show. And thay use hnb instead.
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Off Topic / how many ways can they pronounce "Ookala"?
« on: February 04, 2013, 10:39:06 PM »
don't watch 5-0 any more, but caught tonight's episode because it was supposed to be an homage to an original series episode
was fun to see the "local" characters trying to pronounce officer ookala's name
sometimes they said it differently in the same scene

reminded me of the first season (when i used to watch regularly)
they had a "Samoan" gang leader that alternated between saying SAH-moan and sum-moen
i know the actor was from the mainland, but now that i think of it, i'm not sure he was even SAH-moan
it was if he was being reminded in between takes how to say it, but they ended up editing the best shots and didn't care how it sounded
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aloha xer21
that's you on the sig 556 board, right?
i lurk there, and have had a sig556 from when ogc was in the old shop
do you know if anyone here has done the shooting sight trigger?
i'd like to check it out before i buy
sounds like a good upgrade

they're going to be importing swiss 55x series rifles very soon actually.  im hearing about 4000 for em.
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General Discussion / Re: How's the line at HPD?
« on: February 04, 2013, 12:04:11 PM »
oops
i forgot to post this morning
passed by at 6:40 looked to be 12-15 people
better than last week when it was to the ewa corner

Line to second pillar right now. Sucks
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Off Topic / Re: don't fall asleep at a bus stop!
« on: February 03, 2013, 12:30:11 PM »
umm, ok
i think i know more than the average bear about the +/- of fl ion, but if you insist it's bad, i am not gonna argue
the ADA taught us to only say, "that's just not scientific"
any further and gets to be like a pro-gun/anti-gun discussion

Macsak, you need to do some research on the negative effects of fluoride before you say it's not bad.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Hawaii State Legislators
« on: February 03, 2013, 11:28:10 AM »
i know donna mercado kim go an F
:(

Good thinking. Someone told me color-code their names. I'll have to work on that sometime.
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General Discussion / Re: honolulu firearms rapidfire
« on: February 03, 2013, 11:27:02 AM »
was there first thing this morning
rapid fire ok
i guess they still have free range fees on sunday, but i did go with a member, so i don't know if that made a difference
9mm was 18.40 a box with the member discount (on second thought, maybe it was 18.40 before discount)
i'll have to check with my friend at the super bowl party and confirm the proces

Honolulu Firearms and Range, formerly Magnum Firearms. A couple blocks down from the main police station and around the corner from Sports Authority.
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:(
editied to add:
:( / :)
actually not as bad as i feared it would be
i was reacting to the headline and the illustration initially
the article was surprisingly balanced
(meaning not as totally anti as i had feared)

edited again to add:
pg A3 talks about the obama/shotgun pic
pg A3 also has an article on young adult abuse of ADHD meds
pg A20 has an article about mental health professional's reaction to proposed laws
pg A20 also has an article about how the ATF traces guns
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Off Topic / Re: don't fall asleep at a bus stop!
« on: February 03, 2013, 06:41:36 AM »
that's just not scientific

Flouride is not good stuff. 
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Off Topic / Re: don't fall asleep at a bus stop!
« on: February 02, 2013, 10:40:17 PM »
fluoride is not ridiculous
:)

This is part of HB31 that was introduced by Karl Rhodes. He also wants to ban auto alarms, put fluoride in our water and some more ridiculous things.
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