RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED (Read 6259 times)

rklapp

RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« on: May 19, 2018, 09:13:16 AM »
http://www.mssblog.com/2018/05/17/reloaders-corner-throwed-vs-weighed/

That’s for me. A different propellant, different meter, different scale, might all mean a different way of thinking, a different method to follow. So, to be most clear: I am not saying not to weigh each charge, and I am not saying not to trust a meter. Let your chronograph and on-target results give you the best answer for your needs. This debate is probably as close to a religion as exists in reloading (well, along with full-length case sizing and neck-only case sizing). And most of the answer is plainly anticipated: if you’re throwing large-granule stick propellant (especially large amounts per charge), you might better ought to weigh them out, but if you’re throwing a small-grained stick propellant, a good meter might actually prove more accurate, given any questions about scale accuracy. Spherical propellant? Weighing that is truly a waste of time.

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ren

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2018, 09:25:06 AM »
Palma team shoots reloads from a Dillon 550.
David Tubbs used a Prometheus.
In my average, mediocre shooting I havent seen differences. Same with chronographing loads. Accuracy is about the same.
Growing old so time is of value. I throw most all from a Dillon 550 using that new Lee thrower with the drum and the Dillon measure thats been polished. I used ball and extruded powders. Ball powders are easier to throw as most know. I used short stick extruded.
If I used 4895 or Varget Ill weigh as they tend to bridge
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ren

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2018, 09:50:22 AM »
I see the article was written by Zediker. I meant meter instead of measure 8). He written several books on highpower reloading. I had one of his books and gave it away. You can go down the rabbit hole with this. Accuracy of your scale etc. Some use lab grade scales.
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rklapp

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2018, 09:57:24 AM »
Nice. I recently polished my RCBS measurer and installed the micro adjust. Sometimes I feel nostalgic and use the Lee measurer with the large stick extruded. It's a PITA to dial in the charge with the Lee so use mostly with the smaller calibers.

I remember the days of measuring chemical powders in college lab. It's almost as much a PITA as manual titration.
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ren

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2018, 10:30:12 AM »
The Lee perfect powder measure works well with stick powder and some say it rivals a Harrells meter. I use the Lee with large extruded. Stick powders bridge less with that meter
Those automated meters like the Lyman ans RCBS have gotten better in performance and price. Im tempted to purchase one but Im cheap Chinese labor so throwing charges are cheaper per load.
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rklapp

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 09:09:54 PM »
Yes, I have to resist every time I see the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite on sale.
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justin1098

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 10:24:20 PM »
I throw ball and weigh stick. I had a lee perfect measure, it sucked. I use a rcbs and Redding measure and a gempro 250. Whenever I throw large stick powders, like 4895, I errors of more than a grain.

rklapp

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2018, 11:32:38 PM »
The RCBS measure is awesome with ball powder. I recently loaded with A2230 which is an amazing powder because it doesn't stick to surfaces like most ball powders do. I agree that the Lee measure sucks which is why I bought the RCBS. The extruded powders are hit/miss. I've just gotten used to weighing everything with my Hornady bench scale.
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Inspector

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2018, 05:04:12 PM »
The latest issue of Gun Test Magazine stated that in a future issue they are going to test powder measures. I’ll repost or post a link when it comes out.
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Bushido

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2018, 08:44:55 PM »
I throw ball and weigh stick. I had a lee perfect measure, it sucked. I use a rcbs and Redding measure and a gempro 250. Whenever I throw large stick powders, like 4895, I errors of more than a grain.

My experience exactly!! It really depends on the game you are planning to play. For 100y, it is too short of a distance to show many reloading deficiencies IMO.

I too use a Gempro 250, it is no Satorius or A&D but it way more accurate/consistent than most lower scales that measure to .1gr. It has dramatically decreased my ESs. The results shows at distances.

Rhed

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2018, 09:16:24 AM »
For rifle loads I weight charge. I use 3 CM lites simultaneously. But what I did discover was even if they include with the same kind of pan, each weighed different. Meaning the pan it self. So I marked the pans for each charge master. Also, putting back the pan cover before each charge makes a lot of difference. It will pickup even the slightest wind draft, A/C, even your breathing, that will throw the weight off if the cover is not on. So cover is a must. Other then that, I cross check with a Dillon each charge before going auto and it’s been dead on. I do check again after 25 charges. The throw on my 550 is ok too. But, I only reload for pistol on it now. So when I’m at weight, confirming atleast 3 throws to verify, I just reload away.

rklapp

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2018, 09:51:20 PM »
Agree with the slightest draft. I like my Hornady Bench Scale because of the cover. I need to have moving air on me at all times or I start to spontaneously combust like a drummer. Just tapping the table with my finger is enough to throw off the scale by a couple 0.1 grains but is a good way of rechecking the final weight.
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Rhed

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2018, 03:29:00 AM »
Well I don’t know about tapping the bench. Maybe pounding on it? lol.. I’m sure tapping won’t do a thing. Especially if your bench is bolted down to the wall/floor and leveled. And a wood top type bench will absorb most vibration.

rklapp

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2018, 07:29:51 AM »
I guess I have thick fingers. :rofl:

Many lab scales use a marble slab underneath to prevent vibration.
https://scales-measuring.com/accessories/224-kern-yps-03-weighing-table.html
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Rhed

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2018, 11:07:41 AM »
Yea, and they have extreme scales and powder charge that probably cost more then a AI/S&B setup.. http://www.prometheustoolcorp.com/features
Thank God we don’t have any 1k plus range here.. lol

Bushido

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2018, 06:24:10 PM »
No we absolutely need a 1K range here, further would be even better. Well we actually do but don't have usage....yet.

Leveling your scale makes a difference as well. 

rklapp

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 10:20:47 PM »
I like the setup they have at Frontsight where they have steel targets in a crevasse. Need a land owner here in the alluvial foothills that overlooks a draw from a surrounding spur, preferably away from the wind and isn't owned already by the military or NSA. Maybe mauka from Haleiwa... Maybe the Boys Scouts will let us set something up...
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Bushido

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2018, 07:48:40 AM »
Well I know about a guy putting something together on private ranch land on the BI. You'll have to pay to play so that may turn many away.

Rhed

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2018, 11:15:16 AM »
BI? Dang, lucky to the locals there.

Inspector

Re: RELOADERS CORNER: THROWED VS. WEIGHED
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2018, 03:46:39 PM »
As I promised earlier, the test results of 3 programmable automatic powder dispensers:

https://www.gun-tests.com/issues/30_6/features/Programmable-Automatic-Powder-Dispensers-26887-1.html#.WxiN1bRuihA
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