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Title: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: 6716J on April 29, 2021, 08:05:08 AM
Comment from Lily Tang Williams, an escapee from communist China

I am very skeptical when politicians say "We the people are the government". Sounds good but the reality is totally different. Read what China's Constitution says:

"Article 2. All power in the People's Republic of China belongs to the people. The organs through which the people exercise state power are the National People's Congress and the local people's congresses at different levels. The people administer state affairs and manage economic, cultural and social affairs through various channels and in various ways in accordance with the law."

In reality today, 1.4 billion Chinese have no control of their lives and government. The Party is the State, controls everyone and everything. China is the largest totalitarian government in the world and is committing cultural genocide of their own people.

Unfortunately, many western countries including the U.S. is adopting their model and using propaganda to sell to their citizens. Remember: TOTAL GOVERNMENT IS COMMUNISM.

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Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 29, 2021, 09:47:57 AM
Unfortunate that people are too stupid to realize it until it's too late.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Glasser on April 29, 2021, 10:35:16 AM
SOTU ratings are in:

48M - Trump 2017
46M - Trump 2018
46.8M - Trump 2019
37.2M - Trump 2020
11.6M - Biden 2021
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: macsak on April 29, 2021, 10:44:22 AM
SOTU ratings are in:

48M - Trump 2017
46M - Trump 2018
46.8M - Trump 2019
37.2M - Trump 2020
11.6M - Biden 2021

fakenews! biden received the highest number of votes EVAR!!!
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: 6716J on April 29, 2021, 11:07:19 AM
nice viewer stats too

Official WH YouTube
1.9M subscribers
41,400 views
603 upvotes
7800 downvotes
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 29, 2021, 11:12:27 AM
Its almost as if people don't care about Biden they are just happy its not Trump....

#anyonebuttrump

Would vote for a dog over Trump but I would never watch a dog make a speech.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Glasser on April 29, 2021, 11:20:42 AM
CBS’s Junk Poll Claiming “85% Approved of Biden’s Speech” Interviewed Only 169 Republicans Out of 1,000 Viewers
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 29, 2021, 11:52:25 AM
CBS’s Junk Poll Claiming “85% Approved of Biden’s Speech” Interviewed Only 169 Republicans Out of 1,000 Viewers

That's how stupid the 85%ish of the 831 are.  As long as it's not Trump, they will approve of what ever gibberish comes out of Biden's mouth.  He could stand there farting into the mic and they would still give approval.

But thumbs up/down show what real people think.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 29, 2021, 02:03:08 PM
Comment from Lily Tang Williams, an escapee from communist China
I wonder how much the CIA paid her to parrot US imperial propaganda.  I also wonder if she is wanted in China, for some kind of financial crime.



I am very skeptical when politicians say "We the people are the government". Sounds good but the reality is totally different. Read what China's Constitution says:

"Article 2. All power in the People's Republic of China belongs to the people. The organs through which the people exercise state power are the National People's Congress and the local people's congresses at different levels. The people administer state affairs and manage economic, cultural and social affairs through various channels and in various ways in accordance with the law."

In reality today, 1.4 billion Chinese have no control of their lives and government. The Party is the State, controls everyone and everything. China is the largest totalitarian government in the world and is committing cultural genocide of their own people.
Total BS.

Been to China and lived in China for some time.  If you are on the payroll, of the CIA, or one of Soros' pro-democracy NGOs, then you will have problems.  I give the Chinese government credit, as they already know, which foreigners are subversives, when they arrive to their country.  If not, the police can't even stop millions, of their people, from jaywalking, let alone control what they think or behave.



Unfortunately, many western countries including the U.S. is adopting their model and using propaganda to sell to their citizens. Remember: TOTAL GOVERNMENT IS COMMUNISM.
You don't have to be a communist government to employ propaganda to control your own citizenry.  The US empire has been doing that for the last 100 years or so.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 29, 2021, 02:21:00 PM
The China defense team appears.   
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 29, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
The China defense team appears.
So says, the US empire's favorite subject citizen.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 29, 2021, 02:23:41 PM
The China defense team appears.

Rather than repeatedly demeaning everyone you disagree with, just scroll on. 

I know it makes you feel better to call everyone names, but you can stop now.  It's not helping you reach anyone.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 29, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
So says, the US empire's favorite subject citizen.

Yup I am team USA. And you are team China.   Good thing I live in America. Not sure after seeing what they did to the citizens in Hong Kong wouldn't charge your mind.  As a supposedly Hawaiian supporter. China took over Hong Kong worse than USA did to hawaii. 
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 29, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
Rather than repeatedly demeaning everyone you disagree with, just scroll on. 

I know it makes you feel better to call everyone names, but you can stop now.  It's not helping you reach anyone.
Hey Flapp, OG really got me confused with someone else.

I thought I was the pro-Hawaiian national, pro-Trump supporter, pro-American patriot supporter, and anti-US empire warrior.

I must be really desperate to be on the payroll of China's government.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 29, 2021, 02:35:02 PM
Hey Flapp, OG really got me confused with someone else.

I thought I was the pro-Hawaiian national, pro-Trump supporter, pro-American patriot supporter, and anti-US empire warrior.

I must be really desperate to be on the payroll of China's government.

If his insults and name-calling had any rational basis, I'd be confused, too.

"You are talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind!"

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3be1e492-fd03-4130-964b-b2bb2b17faca
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 29, 2021, 02:36:00 PM
Not sure after seeing what they did to the citizens in Hong Kong wouldn't charge your mind.  As a supposedly Hawaiian supporter. China took over Hong Kong worse than USA did to hawaii.
Please get yourself an education, before you speak.

Hong Kong was ALWAYS part of China.

Hawaii was NEVER part of the US empire and is still ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING our aina.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 29, 2021, 02:37:52 PM
Please get yourself an education, before you speak.

Hong Kong was ALWAYS part of China.

Hawaii was NEVER part of the US empire and is still ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING our aina.

The citizens sure don't feel that way.   Just like Taiwan.   :shaka:
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 29, 2021, 02:39:56 PM
The citizens sure don't feel that way.
What citizens do you speak of?
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 29, 2021, 02:41:22 PM
What citizens do you speak of?

The citizens of Hong Kong and Taiwan, with their own government,  passports and culture.  The practice of democracy and freedom.   You know those opposite things of China. 
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: macsak on April 29, 2021, 02:44:24 PM
The citizens of Hong Kong and Taiwan, with their own government,  passports and culture.  The practice of democracy and freedom.   You know those opposite things of China.

are those last two sentences in english?
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: ren on April 29, 2021, 02:57:32 PM
The citizens of Hong Kong and Taiwan, with their own government,  passports and culture.  The practice of democracy and freedom.   You know those opposite things of China.

That makes no sense. China is a country. What is the opposite of a country? A failed State. A borderless piece of land with a group of ungoverned people. You really should take some time to learn what the definition of a State is. Hong Kong is a part of China and depending on who you ask - who does Taiwan belong to?
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 29, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
When a forumTroll can't post coherent sentences....


https://i.imgur.com/KRYEcaK.mp4
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: ren on April 29, 2021, 03:08:12 PM
So says, the US empire's favorite subject citizen.

That begs the question. Are trolls citizens?
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: aieahound on April 29, 2021, 04:39:09 PM
Please get yourself an education, before you speak.

Hong Kong was ALWAYS part of China.

Hawaii was NEVER part of the US empire and is still ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING our aina.

Actually, Hong Kong was a British Colony from 1843 to 1997 I think.
Just like Hawaii was a U.S. territory from 1900 to 1959.
Difference is the British gave Hong Kong back to China (poor bastahds)  and the U.S. made occupation of Hawaii permanent with Statehood (thank God or whoever one talks to in their head).

And, yeah, I’m a citizen. I’ve got a passport.
But I’m a sniper troll. On point and on target.  :geekdanc:

But I digress.
 :stopjack:
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on April 29, 2021, 05:34:22 PM
Hong Kong and Taiwan will soon belong to China regardless if we want to admit it or not. We should pull out of Okinawa as well. These are all sunk costs for US Empire which is now facing the difficult choice of voluntary withdrawl or catastrophic collapse.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 29, 2021, 10:08:29 PM
Hong Kong and Taiwan will soon belong to China regardless if we want to admit it or not. We should pull out of Okinawa as well. These are all sunk costs for US Empire which is now facing the difficult choice of voluntary withdrawl or catastrophic collapse.
If patriots were in-charge, of their stolen American republic, that is the correct course of action.  Continue trading internationally, for the things America needs, but end all of its legal as well as illegal foreign occupations, garrisons, and wars that are not in the name of defending its borders.  That alone will allow America to regain her domestic strength, heal its domestic wounds, and begin earning the respect and admiration of the rest of the planet that it once undeniably had.

No more immigration of any sorts would also work by limiting the amount of people that American industry needs to create jobs for also.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 06:27:34 AM
That makes no sense. China is a country. What is the opposite of a country? A failed State. A borderless piece of land with a group of ungoverned people. You really should take some time to learn what the definition of a State is. Hong Kong is a part of China and depending on who you ask - who does Taiwan belong to?

Taiwan is independently governed.  And I would say its an independent country. 
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 06:31:12 AM
Hong Kong and Taiwan will soon belong to China regardless if we want to admit it or not. We should pull out of Okinawa as well. These are all sunk costs for US Empire which is now facing the difficult choice of voluntary withdrawl or catastrophic collapse.

No 👎.  Hong Kong appears lost.   But Taiwan is defendable.  China would be hard pressed to take over the island logistically and the US can defend by air and sea.   Okinawa would be virtually impossible for China to take.  If they did, China would be on the way to taking over the whole world.   
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 06:34:51 AM
If patriots were in-charge, of their stolen American republic, that is the correct course of action.  Continue trading internationally, for the things America needs, but end all of its legal as well as illegal foreign occupations, garrisons, and wars that are not in the name of defending its borders.  That alone will allow America to regain her domestic strength, heal its domestic wounds, and begin earning the respect and admiration of the rest of the planet that it once undeniably had.

No more immigration of any sorts would also work by limiting the amount of people that American industry needs to create jobs for also.

America is on the right course as is.   China is the world's greatest threat.  Followed by Russia,  Iran and North Korea.  It's up to American and the other democratic counties to rise up and stop them.  If not humanity has a dark future.  USA is the defender of liberty and American values world wide.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 09:04:32 AM
Taiwan is independently governed.  And I would say its an independent country.
You really need to understand international law and learn the criteria on what constitutes a legal State.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 09:09:18 AM
You really need to understand international law and learn the criteria on what constitutes a legal State.

And you need to stop worshipping China.  Pick a new religion.  Taiwan has its own passports, currency, government, army, land, etc.  The list goes on and on.  Its NOT part of china as much as China wants everyone to believe.  #freetaiwan.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 09:11:18 AM
Hong Kong appears lost.   But Taiwan is defendable.  China would be hard pressed to take over the island logistically and the US can defend by air and sea.   Okinawa would be virtually impossible for China to take.  If they did, China would be on the way to taking over the whole world.
You don't understand a thing about China, its history, and what its end game.  If you think, China wants to rule the World, you really are in the wrong century.

I don't think any of the large powers, of the planet today, wants to be responsible for so many diverse populations.  You really think China wants to be like the US empire and govern a population, who really don't have anything in common, other than greed?

The only people who salivates for empire today are the ultrawealthy, so they can legally exploit the poor and have-nots through debt slavery.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 30, 2021, 09:15:06 AM

As someone who's been to Taiwan, here is some info on the rights that you have or don't have.

We went thru a DUI check point.  Every driver had to blow in the breathalyzer.  No probable cause needed.  Also I've only seen 1 bum there.  And we went all over Taipei.  I didn't see 1 crackhead, so either Taiwan has no crack or they stick these druggies somewhere.  They also cannot own "assault weapons".

So Taiwan doesn't have the freedom that the USA has.  So when it comes to controlling COVID, they were able to do so with ease because they shut the entire incoming/outgoing of the country down.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 09:18:55 AM
America is on the right course as is.   China is the world's greatest threat.  Followed by Russia,  Iran and North Korea.  It's up to American and the other democratic counties to rise up and stop them.  If not humanity has a dark future.  USA is the defender of liberty and American values world wide.
Sina, Ruthenia, Persia, et North Korea dēlenda est.

Wow, you need to slow down your US imperial government issued processor, Omni the cursor.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 09:23:30 AM
You don't understand a thing about China, its history, and what its end game.  If you think, China wants to rule the World, you really are in the wrong century.

I don't think any of the large powers, of the planet today, wants to be responsible for so many diverse populations.  You really think China wants to be like the US empire and govern a population, who really don't have anything in common, other than greed?

The only people who salivates for empire today are the ultrawealthy, so they can legally exploit them through debt slavery.

The places of that have been taken over by China wish to have a word with you.  China also doesn't need to govern when they can genocide  :shake:  As for greed, Africa would like to talk to you. China is the king of debt slavery.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 09:23:58 AM
As someone who's been to Taiwan, here is some info on the rights that you have or don't have.

We went thru a DUI check point.  Every driver had to blow in the breathalyzer.  No probable cause needed.  Also I've only seen 1 bum there.  And we went all over Taipei.  I didn't see 1 crackhead, so either Taiwan has no crack or they stick these druggies somewhere.  They also cannot own "assault weapons".

So Taiwan doesn't have the freedom that the USA has.  So when it comes to controlling COVID, they were able to do so with ease because they shut the entire incoming/outgoing of the country down.

It has alot more than China for sure.  Still has free elections etc.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 09:28:24 AM
And you need to stop worshipping China.  Pick a new religion.
I don't worship China and what does my Christianity has to do with anything being discussed.



Taiwan has its own passports, currency, government, army, land, etc.  The list goes on and on.  Its NOT part of china as much as China wants everyone to believe.  #freetaiwan.
Taiwan is not and have never been a nation of its own.

The de-occupation of Hawaii has more legal basis than Taiwan's US imperial backed claims for independence.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
The places of that have been taken over by China wish to have a word with you.
I believe we Hawaiians and many Native American Indians tribes would have a lot to say to you.



China also doesn't need to govern when they can genocide  :shake:
Genocide?

You really need to talk to aboriginal Hawaiians and Native Americans.



As for greed, Africa would like to talk to you. China is the king of debt slavery.
You better ask and get an education from Flapp.

He will teach you international debt slavery, from the past to the present.

Here is a little teaser: Rothschilds, Federal Reserve, World Bank, IMF.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 09:57:15 AM
I don't worship China and what does my Christianity has to do with anything being discussed.


Taiwan is not and have never been a nation of its own.

The de-occupation of Hawaii has more legal basis than Taiwan's US imperial backed claims for independence.

Taiwan was formed after a civil war.  They believe themselves to be independent.  Enough to break off from China.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 09:58:58 AM
I believe we Hawaiians and many Native American Indians tribes would have a lot to say to you.


Genocide?

You really need to talk to aboriginal Hawaiians and Native Americans.


You better ask and get an education from Flapp.

He will teach you international debt slavery, from the past to the present.

Here is a little teaser: Rothschilds, Federal Reserve, World Bank, IMF.

America has paid reparations to those effected by its past,  China is currently engaging in the activities in the present.

As for the banking system, I have no issue with them. 
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 10:08:48 AM
Taiwan was formed after a civil war.  They believe themselves to be independent.  Enough to break off from China.
Stop embarrassing your lack of Chinese history.

The KMT fled to Taiwan after loosing the Chinese Civil War.  At the time of KMT's defeat, Taipei became the de-facto capital, of the officially recognized government of CHINA, not an independent Taiwan.  The government in Beijing was later recognized, as the official government of China, once the rest of the World realized that the cause of KMT was over.  Throughout the rest of the 20th century, the KMT still maintained that they were the rightful government of CHINA.

The pipedreams, of an independent Taiwan, was created and primarily fueled, by US imperial policy, in the region to contain China.  Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 10:14:48 AM
America has paid reparations to those effected by its past,
We Hawaiians don't want reparations.  We want de-occupation, from the US empire.



China is currently engaging in the activities in the present.
Are you getting that information, from the same news source that spoke of Saddam's nuclear weapons or from the CIA Factbook?



As for the banking system, I have no issue with them.
Well, I guess you just showed where your true loyalty lies.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
Stop embarrassing your lack of Chinese history.

The KMT fled to Taiwan after loosing the Chinese Civil War.  At the time of KMT's defeat, Taipei became the de-facto capital, of the officially recognized government of CHINA, not an independent Taiwan.  The government in Beijing was later recognized, as the official government of China, once the rest of the World realized that the cause of KMT was over.  Throughout the rest of the 20th century, the KMT still maintained that they were the rightful government of CHINA.

The pipedreams, of an independent Taiwan, was created and primarily fueled, by US imperial policy, in the region to contain China.  Nothing more, nothing less.

All they need to do is officially declare themselves independent again and they will be.  But that doesn't change the fact they are defacto independent.  Similar to getting married vs BF/GF long term with mortgages and kids.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 10:35:14 AM
All they need to do is officially declare themselves independent again and they will be.  But that doesn't change the fact they are defacto independent.  Similar to getting married vs BF/GF long term with mortgages and kids.
If that was all they needed, why did they not do so already?

Could it be that the US empire themselves, do not want Taiwan to be independent, for fear they loose their bargaining chip, in China-US business negotiations?
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 10:46:55 AM
If that was all they needed, why did they not do so already?

Could it be that the US empire themselves, do not want Taiwan to be independent, for fear they loose their bargaining chip, in China-US business negotiations?

No if they did China would go to war with them to officially take them back.  It's a pride thing. 
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 10:50:42 AM
No if they did China would go to war with them to officially take them back.  It's a pride thing.
Quit reading, from the US empire's CIA playbook, and placating and stirring-up emotions, into your flawed arguments.

The reunification of Taiwan with the Chinese Mainland is purely an internal legal matter.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: ren on April 30, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
From Biden’s speech to Congress:
This is what he said, according to a New York Times transcript of the president’s remarks: "The United States accounts, as all of you know, for less than 15 percent of carbon emissions. The rest of the world accounts for 85 percent. That’s why I kept my commitment to rejoin the Paris Accord, because if we do everything perfectly, it’s not going to matter."
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 30, 2021, 11:33:03 AM
From Biden’s speech to Congress:
This is what he said, according to a New York Times transcript of the president’s remarks: "The United States accounts, as all of you know, for less than 15 percent of carbon emissions. The rest of the world accounts for 85 percent. That’s why I kept my commitment to rejoin the Paris Accord, because if we do everything perfectly, it’s not going to matter."


I thought the US was lower than that.  But if we're at 15%, then China must be at 40 and India at 30.  So that doesn't leave much for everybody else.

Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on April 30, 2021, 12:03:49 PM
The reunification of Taiwan with the Chinese Mainland is purely an internal legal matter.

It is already a foregone conclusion. Their new generation of hypersonic missiles makes our bases in the area sitting ducks. I would be very worried if I knew someone stationed on a base in Okinawa. China could smoke that whole place in seconds and there is nothing we could do about it besides nukes (game over for everyone). The USA no longer has enough resources for conventional warfare. Our military is handicapped by bad tech that was designed to send money to Congressional districts, not fight wars. Now we are even losing to small countries with no conventional military. We outsourced our industrial base and 34% of the population currently relies on government spending for survival, and that will not last once the dollar gets replaced as the world reserve currency.

Stop these fever dreams of empire while there is still time to consolidate what we have left and learn live within our means. Pushing forward means the end of the Republic.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2a83ff8f16eb53d02d6b04eccb8e8a44/tenor.gif?itemid=15098356)

Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 12:44:53 PM
It is already a foregone conclusion. Their new generation of hypersonic missiles makes our bases in the area sitting ducks. I would be very worried if I knew someone stationed on a base in Okinawa. China could smoke that whole place in seconds and there is nothing we could do about it besides nukes (game over for everyone). The USA no longer has enough resources for conventional warfare. Our military is handicapped by bad tech that was designed to send money to Congressional districts, not fight wars. Now we are even losing to small countries with no conventional military. We outsourced our industrial base and 34% of the population currently relies on government spending for survival, and that will not last once the dollar gets replaced as the world reserve currency.

Stop these fever dreams of empire while there is still time to consolidate what we have left and learn live within our means. Pushing forward means the end of the Republic.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2a83ff8f16eb53d02d6b04eccb8e8a44/tenor.gif?itemid=15098356)

We have the same weapons if not better, we can destroy their bases too.  Didn't sports teach you to never give up.  Or parents to never submit to a bully?
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on April 30, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
We have the same weapons if not better, we can destroy their bases too.  Didn't sports teach you to never give up.  Or parents to never submit to a bully?
What bully are you referring?

The only real bully on this planet is the US empire and its delusional ambitions.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on April 30, 2021, 01:14:54 PM
The only real bully on this planet is the US empire and its delusional ambitions.

There are plenty of bullies, but some are patient and play the long game while others arm themselves with "exceptionalism" and F35 Penguins

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Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on April 30, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
We may have lost to Afghanistan but we definitely have what it takes to beat Mainland China

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Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on April 30, 2021, 02:08:11 PM
We may have lost to Afghanistan but we definitely have what it takes to beat Mainland China

(https://s1.qwant.com/thumbr/0x0/9/c/0d6d6ba501050be8d0dbf13d2d54f68d294b279e3d334f64b9dd21668f21b4/giphy.gif?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia0.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fl2Je0H39CPLlG4UkE%2Fgiphy.gif&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=1)

We have no focus in Afghanistan, against an enemy with no uniform.  Much different than a standing army or navy.  Destroy all of china's equipment and you win.  You will never win a land war.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Glasser on April 30, 2021, 07:00:59 PM
Yeeeesh, the intermediate school world history lesson is pretty sad. There is a whole giant internet with parts of it that big tech havent censored yet with real people with actual knowledge about the history and politics of other countries. Maybe start learning something about the world instead of puking up wikipedia level gloss over B.S., Arm Chair Generals are more pathetic than Monday Morning Quarterbacks or Internet lawyers.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: ren on April 30, 2021, 08:27:45 PM
a person going through boot camp in any of the services has more cred than at least one person posting here...
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on May 01, 2021, 12:09:56 AM
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So what will China do about Taiwan? China could take it right now, if it wanted to pay the price. Everyone knows that, though many fake-news sites have responded with childish, ridiculous gung-ho stories about how “Taiwan Could Win.”

But will China invade? No. Not right now anyway. It doesn’t need to. The Chinese elite has its own constituencies, like all other polities (including “totalitarian” ones), and has to answer to them as circumstances change.

So far China has been extraordinarily patient, a lot more patient than we’d be if China was promising to fight to the death for, say, Long Island. But that can change. Because, as I never tire of repeating, the enemy of the moment has constituencies too. And has to answer to them.

So what happens if the US succeeds in hamstringing China’s economy? Welp, what’s the most reliable distraction a gov’t can find when it wants to unite a hard-pressed population against some distant enemy?

That’s when China might actually do something about Taiwan. Oh, not the silly 20th c. style invasion the USN dreams about. That’s nonsense. The PLA has contingency planners too, and they won’t want to play those retro games. There’s a whole new military technology and an evolving strategy to optimize it, and it includes dozens of ways to neutralize carrier battle groups. Planning that campaign is probably the most requested assignment among ambitious PLA planners.

And that’s how this looks, when you stare coldly: If our military and media elites are very lucky, China will zoom ahead and ignore the endless woofing. But if US/NATO somehow succeed in crippling China’s economy, then, as Mao might put it, the flabby Golden Retriever woofing behind its picket fence at the pit bull might find that the yard gate is open.

http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-taiwan-the-thucydides-trapper-who-cried-woof/
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on May 01, 2021, 08:44:21 AM
We have no focus in Afghanistan, against an enemy with no uniform.  Much different than a standing army or navy.  Destroy all of china's equipment and you win.  You will never win a land war.
You think a war between two nuclear armed peers will stay conventional?

Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: ren on May 01, 2021, 09:13:35 AM
You think a war between two nuclear armed peers will stay conventional?

Why ask a preschooler on foreign policy? You'd get a better response talking at a drive thru McD's
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on May 01, 2021, 10:05:48 AM
Hiring candidates who lack critical thinking skills and empathy has was common long before Snowden shook up the ant farm, but now with Biden's Woke Purge of the military and intelligence agencies our institutions are are almost exclusively stocked with low-level thinkers who are just bright enough to follow orders but never question them. Are they clever and dangerous? Absolutely. Davos needs dedicated men just smart enough to operate the machines that will impose Great Reset Communism on the West. It's not like Soros will kick in your door or Bill Gates will monitor your movements themselves.

On the positive side Vasili Arkhipov was able to slip through the ranks in similar political climate in the Soviet Union. We all owe our very existence to the officers who screwed up and promoted him. 

https://youtu.be/E2sqI9aBas0
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on May 01, 2021, 10:13:36 AM
Why ask a preschooler on foreign policy? You'd get a better response talking at a drive thru McD's
I hear you loud, clear, and agree.

I might even get a really deep conversation with Ronald McDonald, himself, along with my Happy Meal, while I am at it.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on May 01, 2021, 11:51:17 AM
I hear you loud, clear, and agree.

I might even get a really deep conversation with Ronald McDonald, himself, along with my Happy Meal, while I am at it.

I feel the same.   Though instead of McDonald's I might as well be speaking to the catered Chinese spokesman. 
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: omnigun on May 01, 2021, 03:20:01 PM
You think a war between two nuclear armed peers will stay conventional?

It will not.   Neither country is in threat of their mainland being taken over.  There are sound minds on both sides who know not to go that far.   Everyone loses everything in a nuclear war. 
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 01, 2021, 04:02:51 PM
WTF does this exchange have to do with Biden's speech?

In a world with atomic weapons, there are only two probable scenarios to fear:

(1)  A rogue faction (ISIS, ...) gets their hands on a nuke, either with a delivery system (plane, missile, ...) or that can be used as a dirty bomb and delivered in a relatively small package without aerial detonation;

(2)  A conventional war against a nuclear power (US v. China).  If China sees they are losing the conventional war, they may resort to nukes as a last-ditch effort to turn the tide -- just like the US did against Japan.  The difference is, they risk nuclear retaliatory strikes.  However, they may believe they have the ability to survive.  USSR had that belief due to a massive civil defense network of underground facilities  and mobile rocket launchers on underground rails to avoid having them taken out.

MAD only works if both sides believe they have everything to lose and can''t win a nuclear exchange.  Those are very rational assumptions, but they are not guarantees.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on May 01, 2021, 08:34:04 PM
The people who have their hands up Puppet Biden’s ass are dangerous and stupid. China was more concerned with Trump because he played by a different set of rules. The Harris admin is making the same old neocon mistakes which make it very easy for China to out maneuver us.

Trying to take Crimea from Russia is suicidally insane. We need to be on good terms with them since Europe will be part of the caliphate soon
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on May 02, 2021, 08:52:05 AM
Stated numerous times before, the US is a rapidly declining empire on its last legs.  Runaway financial debt and an obvious ever-enlarging divided legal and illegal domestic population are the final nails-in-the-coffin, for the once great American Republic.  Despite the power okole currently playing their last card of goading a war with China, Russia, or whatever country stupid enough to take the bait; there is nothing that can be done to reverse the US empire's inevitable collapse.

Electing non-imperial stooges like Trump was the only last real hope America had of legally trying to turn things around.  However, with Trump's overthrow in 2020, the ballot box ship route has ultimately sailed.  Consequently, the only question now is how the Balkanization of the US empire will occur.  Will be a result of a Civil War, some ideological revolution, Petrol-Dollar collapse, or voluntary like the former British and Soviet empires, of the recent past?

Regardless, short of overthrowing the US empire themselves, the only thing American patriots should focus on now is how to survive in the post-US empire era.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: groveler on May 02, 2021, 09:10:45 AM
Stated numerous times before, the US is a rapidly declining empire on its last legs.  Runaway financial debt and an obvious ever-enlarging divided legal and illegal domestic population are the final nails-in-the-coffin, for the once great American Republic.  Despite the power okole currently playing their last card of goading a war with China, Russia, or whatever country stupid enough to take the bait; there is nothing that can be done to reverse the US empire's inevitable collapse.

Electing non-imperial stooges like Trump was the only last real hope America had of legally trying to turn things around.  However, with Trump's overthrow in 2020, the ballot box ship route has ultimately sailed.  Consequently, the only question now is how the Balkanization of the US empire will occur.  Will be a result of a Civil War, some ideological revolution, Petrol-Dollar collapse, or voluntary like the former British and Soviet empires, of the recent past?

Regardless, short of overthrowing the US empire themselves, the only thing American patriots should focus on now is how to survive in the post-US empire era.
"the only thing American patriots should focus on now is how to survive in the post-US empire era."
That is called "prepping".  I've been doing this for years.  Although I'm not completely self sufficient
eg I depend on a local butcher to cut up the meats I raise and I haven't installed my solar panels yet,
but I can go a long time without any government.
Especially a Democrat "empire" government.
I suggest y'all get ready, the SHTF and the mess is about to happen in slo-mo.

Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Kuleana on May 02, 2021, 09:29:35 AM
"the only thing American patriots should focus on now is how to survive in the post-US empire era."
That is called "prepping".  I've been doing this for years.  Although I'm not completely self sufficient
eg I depend on a local butcher to cut up the meats I raise and I haven't installed my solar panels yet,
but I can go a long time without any government.
Especially a Democrat "empire" government.
I suggest y'all get ready, the SHTF and the mess is about to happen in slo-mo.
Totally agree.

I only further clarify by saying, in addition to prepping, begin contemplating how the map of the former US empire will look like and perhaps relocate to those places favorable to their personal economic and political beliefs.

For example, only the original 13 colonies, Texas, and Hawaii were ever officially recognized, as independent nation states, historically, and have the luxury of being fast-tracked, into being internationally recognized nation states, today.  The rest of the territories, of the US empire, were acquired via legal treaty and, hence, their subsequent international recognition will be more complicated.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: groveler on May 02, 2021, 10:50:17 AM
Totally agree.

I only further clarify by saying, in addition to prepping, begin contemplating how the map of the former US empire will look like and perhaps relocate to those places favorable to their personal economic and political beliefs.

For example, only the original 13 colonies, Texas, and Hawaii were ever officially recognized, as independent nation states, historically, and have the luxury of being fast-tracked, into being internationally recognized nation states, today.  The rest of the territories, of the US empire, were acquired via legal treaty and, hence, their subsequent international recognition will be more complicated.
Although I am very Texas, idealogically, my time in San Antonio, Austin, and Houston rules out Texas, the weather sucks!
The thirteen original colonies are nothing but crap these days, so that leaves Hawaii.
I'll stay here and help "mold" whatever arises.  Democrats don't do so well without government and guns,
as they have no "guts".  Besides, I live in Paniolo country which is very Texas like, but much better weather.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2021, 10:52:14 AM
The people who have their hands up Puppet Biden’s ass are dangerous and stupid. China was more concerned with Trump because he played by a different set of rules. The Harris admin is making the same old neocon mistakes which make it very easy for China to out maneuver us.

Trying to take Crimea from Russia is suicidally insane. We need to be on good terms with them since Europe will be part of the caliphate soon
I dont think theyre mistakes, but intentional.

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Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: hvybarrels on May 02, 2021, 02:29:30 PM
I dont think theyre mistakes, but intentional.

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It might very well be. They have an incredible amount of leverage on Biden and his family, meanwhile the whole Asian Hate Crime movement ginned up by the media was meant to silence criticism of the CCP. I doubt that Hirono is aware of any sort of master plan, though. She is just dumb and convenient.
Title: Re: Bidens Speech 4-28-21
Post by: Glasser on May 02, 2021, 03:33:18 PM
Hirono  is just dumb and convenient.

Whoa, whoa bro, I think you just committed a Federal Hate Crime.