Try to be nice to them please, think honey vs vinegar. Explain your position with personal experiences link video of people being taken down by LEO's emptying 17 rnd magazines while the perp still charges them. Invite them out to shoot, I'm sure many fellow firearms owners and instructors would gladly make a fun day of it with anybody interested.

Isn't that the strategy employed by the Jews with Nationalsozialismus? And by Russians under Stalin? And by Japanese Americans as they were rounded up for concentration "internment" camps? And by the Armenians to the Turks? And by the Cambodians to Pol Pot? And by the Uyghurs to the CCP? There are at least 20 more in the past 100 years, but I'll stop there...

Please let me know when you get an outcome that actually results in Hawaii residents increasing their ability to exercise their rights as protected by the Constitution.

PS I'm likely only going to be alive for a few more years... will I see anything?

I hear ya but we can still win some of these people over. Thirteen or so nay votes can go a long way to stop this crap (at least for now).

Acasio is a new senator. So for her to listen to her people that she represents is huge.  But maybe because she hasn't been tainted like the other super anti 2a's on the committee (Rhodes, Lee, K). So it's a step to keep them reminded that they are supposed to serve the people and not push their own agenda.

Acasio was appointed, not elected. So she does not truly represent any constituency that chose her over others. Even if she did, the constituency of almost all Hawaii districts is overwhelmingly Democrat registration, so they'd want her to pass any and all "gun safety regulations". How are you going to educate and inform those who have no interest or motivation to be educated or informed? They are the ones that elect the government.

It all needs to start some where.  And the attitude of "it wont help" or "no sense cause we still don't have the #s" is the mentality that got us where we are today. 

You really think that calling a commie fascist authoritarian (aka "Democrat") and politely ("honey, not vinegar") asking them to vote against the orders of their bosses is a "mentality" that will change the unconstitutional laws? Why would you think that?

But it is much easier to voice your opinions due to the internet. When the pistol mag ban came around in the 90's the internet wasn't what it was today.  So maybe much of the older guys weren't aware and didn't make that call to their senator/rep.  IDK cause I wasn't in the culture at the time so I'm just guessing. Same goes with registration.

How long has the internet been around? How many unconstitutional laws re the right to keep and bear arms have been passed in Hawaii during that time? I believe your hypothesis fails, bigly.

If someone could post estimates of what was done to stop the pistol mag ban and registration that would been nice.  Like how when the SB301 came up, we got 1100 oppose testimonies.  Where the #s like that back in the 90s?

SB301, with "1100 opposed testimonies" (at least 10, and maybe 20 times those testimonies in favor) passed committee 5 to 3.

Just called. Senator San Buenaventura's office says they don't know how she's going to vote (haha), but will get back to me. Rep. Onishi's office says he's not on judiciary committee, which is where it will go in the House if it passes the Senate floor vote, so it's a bit in the future... call the house judiciary chair's office if it passes the senate floor vote.

Response from Sen Kidani..

Aloha XXXX,

 

Mahalo for taking the time to reach out with your thoughtful opposition to SB307 SD1. You make many valid points on the bill. I would like to note that in reviewing the testimony, multiple testifiers noted that they, or someone they knew, currently possessed and used firearms that fire .50 caliber ammunition. One testifier noted that a hunter used a .500 S&W revolver to hunt in addition to rifles.

 

I also appreciate the Judiciary Chair’s effort to exempt black-powder rifles and shotguns, as noted in the testimony was an unintended consequence of the bill.

 

In this instance, we will have to agree to disagree on further gun restrictions as I will likely vote for the bill when it comes to the floor for third reading. But I will note that it does have a defective date, meaning it must go to conference for discussion, and will see what the House plans on doing with the bill. I hope that I can continue to serve and assist you in other ways as your Senator.

 

 

Senator Michelle Kidani

At least you didn't get a cookie cutter response.  And a "I support the 2a, but...".

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Quote from: punaperson on March 08, 2021, 10:04:27 AM

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Both passed.

SB301-19Aye's, 2 with reservatons, and 6 nays

SB307-21 Aye's-1 with reservations and 4 nays

On the positive side if they tried to pass this during good economic times with low crime then the backlash they are now facing would be much less severe. On the negative side they just convinced tens of thousands of citizens that it is better to be a criminal than to trust the government with their information.