BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now! (Read 25564 times)

hvybarrels

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2025, 02:43:59 PM »
I called Senator Kouchi at 808-586-6030

The lady who answered the phone was very nice, but you could tell she's been getting an earfull today.

Keep up the good work!
If the news was lying to me I would have heard about it on the news.

rpoL98

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2025, 05:02:06 PM »
if this passes, will mainland vendors, e.g. Brownells, etc, stop selling parts for AR's to Hawaii?  like barrels, BCG's, triggers, buffer tubes, buttstocks, ...  detents, etc.?

I'm guessing their lawyers will tell them to to err on the side of litigation caution?

3xfut

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2025, 05:24:23 PM »
Rhodes says when asked about mag grandfather clause "why, bump stocks didn't have a grandfather clause".

This is why it's important to fight against EVERY anti 2A bill, not just the ones that affect you.

So violation of ex post facto clause by a traitor who openly conspires to violate the 2a which falls under Title 18 conspiracy against rights-federal felony and violating the oath he took when sworn into office, another fed felony.

ren

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2025, 05:56:38 PM »
if this passes, will mainland vendors, e.g. Brownells, etc, stop selling parts for AR's to Hawaii?  like barrels, BCG's, triggers, buffer tubes, buttstocks, ...  detents, etc.?

I'm guessing their lawyers will tell them to to err on the side of litigation caution?

based on what has happened in other states with AWB most vendors followed suit. I hope that all AR vendors refuse service and parts to all the State LE agencies as well...because "assault weapons" are all bad right?! According to our political elite they don't belong on America's streets. So why does the LOCAL government have to possess these dangerous weapons to police AMERICAN CIVILIANS.

Not only that but our local gun shops will likely suffer as well as on any weekend there are lots of ARs at the range...more than Tacomas

This bill is so wrong on many levels. We locals are quick to blame mainlanders for stealing our lands, buy our homes etc. but no one is pointing out the fact that mainlanders are blatantly buying/erasing our rights.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2025, 08:41:28 PM by ren »
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macsak

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2025, 07:46:59 PM »

Rhed

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2025, 08:03:12 PM »
 Does this bill affect detachable mags use in bolt action rifles too?
« Last Edit: April 23, 2025, 08:14:16 PM by Rhed »

macsak

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2025, 10:51:02 PM »

rpoL98

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #67 on: April 24, 2025, 06:58:04 AM »
i think this is the link for the live stream:



capitol.hawaii.gov legislature website says Rm 325, this link for that room starting at 2pm.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=401&year=2025



it's too bad that "Chat is disabled for this live stream." 

changemyoil66

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2025, 07:36:05 AM »
Does this bill affect detachable mags use in bolt action rifles too?

Yes, any rifle mag over 10 rds.

Begle1

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #69 on: April 24, 2025, 02:18:11 PM »
Yes, any rifle mag over 10 rds.

Any rifle mag that can hold over 10 rounds.

If you're using AR10 mags to hold 300 WSM, you're going to wish you got a BAR instead.

changemyoil66

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #70 on: April 24, 2025, 04:38:50 PM »
New draft CD1, inheritance is added for "assault rifles".  But not for mags.

About 20 pro 2A in person at the hearing and like 10 anti 2A.

Next is a senate floor vote. The senate president can still kill the bill by not allowing the floor vote. He was trying to get mags grandfathered as well.  Thanks to HIFICO director John Abott who spend time talking with him in person about this bill.

Garcia was the only no vote for the bill.

E808AN

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2025, 04:58:03 PM »
New draft CD1, inheritance is added for "assault rifles".  But not for mags.

About 20 pro 2A in person at the hearing and like 10 anti 2A.

Next is a senate floor vote. The senate president can still kill the bill by not allowing the floor vote. He was trying to get mags grandfathered as well.  Thanks to HIFICO director John Abott who spend time talking with him in person about this bill.

Garcia was the only no vote for the bill.

I love how they know there are opposing people attending, and in theory know how much people wrote their opposition… they still voted yes to pass it up? There goes my plan to buy a whole bunch of PMAGS

Rhed

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2025, 05:11:33 PM »
Aw man.. So say this bill passes, do we get to shoot our semi rifles at the range? I’m getting kinda on the paranoid of buying any firearm related stuff now. How bout bolt action styles rifles with ar style grips (im actually was about to purchase another one with a 10 round mag)? Will those type of firearms be affected too? I mean who knows nowadays with all this infringements here in Hawaii. Just like they like band everything.

astroboy

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2025, 06:44:39 PM »
Will our legislators create a new tradition in Hawaii?



Q

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #75 on: April 24, 2025, 07:23:58 PM »
I'm just curious if all the "Molon Labe/I will not comply" people will actually follow through with their declaration of non-compliance or if it's just empty words.

E808AN

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2025, 07:37:07 PM »
I'm just curious if all the "Molon Labe/I will not comply" people will actually follow through with their declaration of non-compliance or if it's just empty words.

Well I cannot buy a whole ton of P mags now

hvybarrels

If the news was lying to me I would have heard about it on the news.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2025, 09:49:57 PM »
CDC Stats:

In 2023, there were 47,000 gun related deaths in the US.

Of that total, about 58% (27,300) were suicides.

About 38% (17,927) of the total are murders,

while the remainder involved:
   law enforcement (604),
   accidental (463)
   or involved undetermined circumstances (434).

Gun murders rose dramatically during the coronavirus pandemic
but have declined substantially in more recent years. The number
of gun murders fell from a record 20,958 in 2021 to 17,927 in 2023,
a 14% decrease.

Gun suicides, on the other hand, have been on a mostly upward
trajectory for most of the last two decades and peaked in 2023
with 27,300 such fatalities.

It's estimated that between 15-20 million Semi-auto Sporting Rifles are owned privately in the US, which includes AR-15s and AK-47s.

About 1 in every 10 rifles sold each year in the US falls under the Sporting Rifle category.

CNN's researchers have determined that the AR-15 is THE single most popular type of rifle in the US.

Using the FBI's definition for mass shooting, a total of 105 deaths were attributed to mass shootings in 2023.  That does not include the shooter who may have committed suicide or been killed by a Cop or other good guy with a gun.

CONCLUSION:  Of the total number of murders in 2023, the fraction that are associated with mass shootings is 0.00586 (.586%).
It is completely illogical to dictate government policy and gun laws aimed at banning a type of firearm that's used in less than 0.6% of total gun murders  That assumes all mass shootings involved "Assault Weapons," which they did not.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/#how-many-people-are-killed-in-mass-shootings-in-the-u-s-every-year
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rpoL98

Re: BackDoor Semi-Auto Rifle & Mag BAN in Hawaii In Motion! Now!
« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2025, 02:44:10 AM »
Well I cannot buy a whole ton of P mags now
well, there's always the ten-round P-mags.  yeah, that's a really lame come-back, sorry.

just like saying (in the movies), "we'll always have Paris".

probably need to stock up on "life-time supply" of AR parts.  I'm guessing once this kicks in, mainland vendors will be reluctant to ship parts to Hawaii for banned "weapons-of-war".  or maybe that's just paranoia/hysteria.