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Well I cannot buy a whole ton of P mags now

Seriously., how many do you want and can afford to buy right now?

DCT a couple days ago had 200 30 rounders plus some with greater capacity.

Backdoor activities, just like making doo doo, stinks to high heaven.

Either our political leaders are too stupid to understand Flapp's post on CDC's stats, or they just are ignoring the facts to push their agenda.

I mean, we all know they are stupid, but in this case they are ignoring the facts.

This is where it also gets confusing.. Even though this bill is aimed at semi-auto rifles and semi-auto shot guns. There is also bolt action AR style rifles. That has folding stocks, has detachable mags, threaded barrels, threaded muzzle, pistol grips, and thumbholes. Are these type of firearms affected too? What about muzzle brakes? I mean it's like flash hiders/ suppressors (if that what it means). This bill seems like a sneeky backdoor altogether. friggin ban everything already. I mean anything that can become a weapon. Knives, hammer, bats, automobiles, pens, pencils, forks, spoons. Oh wait, all these is utterly useless without a operator.

   (3)  That accepts a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:

          (A)  A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, the size, or any dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of the weapon;

          (B)  A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;

          (C)  Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non‑trigger hand;

          (D)  A flash suppressor;

          (E)  A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;

          (F)  A bayonet mount;

          (G)  A grenade launcher; or

          (H)  A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer.

     "Assault shotgun" means a semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following characteristics:

     (1)  Accepts a detachable magazine;

     (2)  A revolving cylinder;

     (3)  A pistol grip or thumbhole stock;

     (4)  Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

     (5)  A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, the size, or any dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of the weapon;

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This is where it also gets confusing.. Even though this bill is aimed at semi-auto rifles and semi-auto shot guns. There is also bolt action AR style rifles. That has folding stocks, has detachable mags, threaded barrels, threaded muzzle, pistol grips, and thumbholes. Are these type of firearms affected too? What about muzzle brakes? I mean it's like flash hiders/ suppressors (if that what it means). This bill seems like a sneeky backdoor altogether. friggin ban everything already. I mean anything that can become a weapon. Knives, hammer, bats, automobiles, pens, pencils, forks, spoons. Oh wait, all these is utterly useless without a operator.

Bolt actions are not affected.  It has ot meet the criteria of :  "Assault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle:

If this bill passes into law, we may be stuck with it for a while.  Until SCOTUS takes it up on this or something similar.

There will be no TRO or preliminary injunctions in Hawaii to stop it since Duncan v Bonta sets the losing precedent in the 9th Circuit.

Hawaii currently has a magazine ban (pistol) and assault pistol ban lawsuits on hold pending Duncan.

SCOTUS might not take up Marylands Snopes v Brown AWB appeal which is under their review, since there is no circuit court split.  All the appeals have been lost nationwide when it comes to the AWB.  A split in wins/losses across the nation is one of major decision factors SCOTUS uses.  I think SCOTUS will eventually take a case, but it could be a long time until then.

Aw man.. So say this bill passes, do we get to shoot our semi rifles at the range? I’m getting kinda on the paranoid of buying any firearm related stuff now. How bout bolt action styles rifles with ar style grips (im actually was about to purchase another one with a 10 round mag)? Will those type of firearms be affected too? I mean who knows nowadays with all this infringements here in Hawaii. Just like they like band everything.

You can shoot it at a range.

Main things you can't do with it is hunt on public land, take it to the police station, or take it out of state and bring it back.

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I called my senator for district 14, Donna Mercado Kim. Had a long talk with the person who takes message for her. And listened to everything I had 10 mins opposing this HB401 bill. She was very polite and said she'll relay the message. 

FYI, Palmetto State Armory is still shipping AR 15 parts to Hawaii.  A friend of mine ordered a complete upper and complete parts kit for a lower, less the receiver

of course.  He placed the order late yesterday and got an email with the UPS tracking number this morning.  PSA will not ship 10+ magazines to Hawaii.

I imagine they will stop shipping these kits when this law passes.  I guess anyone who wants to stock up better do it today.

You can shoot it at a range.

Main things you can't do with it is hunt on public land, take it to the police station, or take it out of state and bring it back.

You actually cannot shoot it at the range because no range is a licensed shooting range.  They get a permit to build, but no license is issued.

So no one can shoot their semi auto rifle eff 1/1/26.

Also, there is no exception for the film industry, so any movie that uses a semi auto rifle won't be allowed, including built to use blanks.

You actually cannot shoot it at the range because no range is a licensed shooting range.  They get a permit to build, but no license is issued.

So no one can shoot their semi auto rifle eff 1/1/26.

Also, there is no exception for the film industry, so any movie that uses a semi auto rifle won't be allowed, including built to use blanks.

Yeah, "EFF" 1/1/26.

Might as well say bye to KHSC.  It's days are numbered.

Maybe they will call KHSC the LE and Criminals of Hawaii Shooting Facility.

They are the only ones that will have guns in the civilian sector.

You actually cannot shoot it at the range because no range is a licensed shooting range.  They get a permit to build, but no license is issued.

So no one can shoot their semi auto rifle eff 1/1/26.

I know people who live in the boonies of the BI, Molokai and Oahu, the three islands I am very familiar with, will continue to shoot their semi autos.

call your reps now! Dont let these paid mainlanders tell us how to live our lives!
And why should our State have a monopoly on semi autos / "assault weapons" ? There is no war in Hawaii. If they ban they should ban them FOR ALL! No LE exceptions.

My guess the reason they are taking this heavy-handed and obviously-illegal approach is that they have been briefed on serious disruptions coming within a matter of months.

When the housing crash finally arrives it's going to wipe out the banking industry, and the resulting food scarcity will result in a significant breakdown in the rule of law.

What they should have done is to sanction local militias and beefed up local agriculture, but they were addicted to Federal Reserve money printing scams.

They won't be able to hold it all together when it falls, and when the paychecks start bouncing a lot of cops will choose free agency in order to feed their families.

Plan accordingly.

Backdoor activities, just like making doo doo, stinks to high heaven.

Either our political leaders are too stupid to understand Flapp's post on CDC's stats, or they just are ignoring the facts to push their agenda.

I mean, we all know they are stupid, but in this case they are ignoring the facts.

They're corrupt.

If this bill passes into law, we may be stuck with it for a while.  Until SCOTUS takes it up on this or something similar.

There will be no TRO or preliminary injunctions in Hawaii to stop it since Duncan v Bonta sets the losing precedent in the 9th Circuit.

Hawaii currently has a magazine ban (pistol) and assault pistol ban lawsuits on hold pending Duncan.

SCOTUS might not take up Marylands Snopes v Brown AWB appeal which is under their review, since there is no circuit court split.  All the appeals have been lost nationwide when it comes to the AWB.  A split in wins/losses across the nation is one of major decision factors SCOTUS uses.  I think SCOTUS will eventually take a case, but it could be a long time until then.

what about gut and replace aspect? tarnas admited as much on the news. took the text from one bill that already died and inserted into this one.

what about gut and replace aspect? tarnas admited as much on the news. took the text from one bill that already died and inserted into this one.

This would be the quickest way to get the law killed if it passes. But it will cost money for a lawyer. Tarnas stated that it wasn't a gut and replace on the news.

HI Supreme Court ruled a bill cannot be substantially different.

what about gut and replace aspect? tarnas admited as much on the news. took the text from one bill that already died and inserted into this one.

It's not to the same extent as what the HI supreme Court ruled on a few years ago.

This bill wasn't gutted or replaced, the original 50 cal ban still remains they just added more.  And it still relates to firearms bans.  What Tarnas did was substantially add to it which wasn't heard by the Senate committees and public wasn't allowed to testify in the Senate.

Hawaii Supreme Court would rule against us if lawsuit was filed.  The gut and replace was overruled by a 5 to 4 vote.  Lawsuit like this would cost about $100,000 or more.

Thinking back on a federal lawsuit, maybe we could get a tro or preliminary injunction if we get lucky on the judge.  Since the Duncan ruling was more on the point of magazines aren't protected under the 2a.  Would still be very difficult to get tho.

On the bright side the cleanup of the judiciary has started. Hopefully a sign of many more to come.

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