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HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS (Read 278773 times)

Heavies

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2011, 04:17:06 AM »
How is media coverage on this? 

Is the NRA affording any assistance to this?
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Funtimes

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2011, 05:56:12 AM »
Quote from: Heavies on August 27, 2011, 04:17:06 AM
How is media coverage on this? 

Is the NRA affording any assistance to this?

Media Coverage outside of Hawaii is fairly good, especially on gun forums.   

NRA = Not Really Assisting (with anything), which was expected. 

The most gut wrenching fact is that we actually have received more support from off the island, then from within it.  There are people here who support (and I am greatly thankful!), but they are very few and far between. I
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Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2011, 06:36:49 AM »
Awesome stuff. I think theres more local support than it seems.
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Funtimes

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2011, 07:28:55 AM »
Quote from: pj_benn on August 27, 2011, 06:36:49 AM
Awesome stuff. I think theres more local support than it seems.

Let me know what rock to look under :) I will be happy to venture that way.
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Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2011, 11:01:42 AM »
KITV had some coverage on the suit. There is some video and there are quite a few comments there and I've seen a few of you posting :)

http://www.kitv.com/news/28983145/detail.html
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Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2011, 01:23:06 PM »
Quote from: 2aHawaii on August 27, 2011, 11:01:42 AM
KITV had some coverage on the suit. There is some video and there are quite a few comments there and I've seen a few of you posting :)

http://www.kitv.com/news/28983145/detail.html

Sad how many mis-informed folks are posting on that article.

I love that a couple have to throw the "mainlander" card and make it look like this is people coming to Hawaii that want this....

There are some not so bright folks on there.
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Cougar8045

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2011, 02:22:43 PM »
Quote from: vooduchikn on August 27, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: 2aHawaii on August 27, 2011, 11:01:42 AM
KITV had some coverage on the suit. There is some video and there are quite a few comments there and I've seen a few of you posting :)

http://www.kitv.com/news/28983145/detail.html

Sad how many mis-informed folks are posting on that article.

I love that a couple have to throw the "mainlander" card and make it look like this is people coming to Hawaii that want this....

There are some not so bright folks on there.
True story.  As if human rights were restricted only to certain groups.  Not to mention that the history of gun control is profoundly racist.  The truly comical thing is, they want to keep "their" gun control laws, but gun control was designed by "mainlanders" (white folks) to keep guns out of the hands of brown people. (i.e. Hawaiians, Indians, blacks, etc.)  "I demand that the white man keep on keeping us down!  Damn haoles!"
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Vladimir

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2011, 04:21:02 PM »
Where and how can we donate?
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Heavies

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2011, 05:14:48 PM »
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Vladimir

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2011, 05:26:25 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on August 27, 2011, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Vladimir on August 27, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
Where and how can we donate?

http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/

Donated! It's not much but every little bit counts. Working part-time with bills and tuition fees sucks but sacrifices for a greater goal in the long run, much like this 2nd Amendment fight!
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Funtimes

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2011, 06:45:35 PM »
Vlad -- thank you very much.  Every little bit *does* help! At the end of the day, a dollar is a dollar. And, as a student myself, I know how paying for school can suck you dry (I pay for my wife and myself).   
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Kingkeoni

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIO
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2011, 08:40:50 PM »
I for one, truly appreciate you going to bat for the constitution.

Thank you.

If I've already said it then thank you again.
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Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2011, 03:46:44 PM »
Hi team!!!

I joined HDF, and donated....as I'm on Hawaii Island, I wait with baited breath to see the results of the suit.

When (not IF), when HDF is successful, it stands to reason the other islands should also be "next in line" for HDF legal action. Does anyone know (or have an opinion) if HDF is concurrently moving forward on the outer islands? or going to wait until the Honolulu suit is settled?

My manao is to file at all counties within a short timeframe as each Chief of Police has the decision making power. Who knows, Maui and Hawaii Island might be "easier" given the number of hunters we have with permits, etc. Firearms are seen differently in rural areas compared to urban.

Where do we get statisitics (HPD, FBI, etc) covering violent crimes against persons, property, etc. that is broken down by respective counties?

Aloha, and Semper Fi,

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Funtimes

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2011, 04:09:05 PM »
Sgt,

This case will bind ALL counties of Hawaii.  There is only one district court; rest assured, when we win -- all counties will comply.
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antoinebugleboy

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2011, 04:44:52 PM »
I just threw some change into the pot. Good luck!
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Heavies

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2011, 05:54:57 PM »
Awesome. I hope many folks out there are getting the word!

Our friends in the mainland are posting this up on forums. If other forums you frequent do not have the issue posted link them up and ask for support!  It's gonna take lots of time, money, and effort.

I couldn't thank Funtimes and all in the HDF enough for their efforts in this endeavor.
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230RN

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2011, 12:16:17 AM »
I was especially delighted by this verbiage from the Complaint:

Quote
By maintaining and enforcing a set of customs,
practices, and policies arbitrarily denying Mr. Baker̢۪s
permit to carry handguns based on a subjective
determination of their “an exceptional case” for the
permit, Defendants are propagating customs,
policies, and practices that violate Mr. Baker's rights
to equal protection of the laws under the Second a
nd Fourteenth Amendment to the United States
Constitution,

(Sample of this oft-used language,  from paragraph
97 of the Complaint.  Boldface mine.)

Aren't there criminal penalties for civil rights violations?  Is there a possibility that the Chief and the Governor could be thrown in the hoosegow at some point?  Serious question!

Cougar8045  pointed out:

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Not to mention that the history of gun control is profoundly racist.  The truly comical thing is, they want to keep "their" gun control laws, but gun control was designed by "mainlanders" (white folks) to keep guns out of the hands of brown people. (i.e. Hawaiians, Indians, blacks, etc.)  "I demand that the white man keep on keeping us down!  Damn haoles!"

This fact, while well-known in the firearms community, ought to be ditributed far and wide in your islands.  Here's a sample:

http://www.lizmichael.com/racistgc.htm

More articles on the racist aspects of gun control abound.

I believe, way back in English history, there were examples of Protestants not allowing Catholics to be armed (or the other way around).  So it's not a new or even US phenomenon.

Terry, "haole," 230RN

ETA:  What's Hawaiian for "jail" or "hoosegow?"
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I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

Armaggeddon_Armory

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2011, 01:49:56 PM »
Quote from: 230RN on August 29, 2011, 12:16:17 AM
Aren't there criminal penalties for civil rights violations?  Is there a possibility that the Chief and the Governor could be thrown in the hoosegow at some point?  Serious question!



Yeah, if it were you or I, we would be locked away for years for violating someone else's civil rights, in this case, both aforementioned fat heads are only doing what they deem best for the overall good of the United States, and that good specifically is enabling the criminals and the goverment to unite. ::)
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Vladimir

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2011, 08:24:49 PM »
Youtube video!

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Funtimes

Re: HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2011, 09:55:25 PM »
No criminal penalties, but there are civil ones.  Now, if the violation is like abuse or brutality then yeah.  But, for just the purposes of denying a right, you can seek vindication via $$$.
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