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The HPD shal1 provide a pistol- range officer for eight
hours a day, Monday through Friday, except holidays.
The pistol ranges will be open Eo all federal, state,
and county law enforcement agencj-es. When not, j-n use
by law enforcement agencies, the facilities sha1l be
made available to the public.
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Not really related to anything legal or guns in particular.
Legal and Activism / Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: March 26, 2014, 06:08:56 PM »
Since the decision a lot of people have been asking what is going on.  Well, let’s try and break this down a little bit:

1.)    Our decision basically rides on the Peruta v. San Diego case.  That case was argued earlier in the morning than Baker was argued.  Therefore, the decision in that case was released prior.  Instead of writing a new decision, the (3) judge panel basically said, “Hey, look at this case – it says why Baker should win.”  Our case then had its preliminary injunction vacated and remanded to the district court to be heard in light of Peruta.   Remember, a preliminary injunction was us basically saying, “This is so jacked up that you should give me a carry license while we wait to figure out the merits of the case.”   We still have to handle the merits. The preliminary injunction was just our first bite at the apple; sadly, it was a bite that took about 3 years to chew (It’s a really long dinner…).

2.)   The Peruta case has some stuff going on with it.  Basically, after San Diego lost they decided that they were no longer going to defend the matter in court. Their white flag went up and they are surrendering.  The State of California Attorney General’s Office, saw this white flag, and were like, “Oh shit. An unconstitutional law needs saving!”  So off they ran to the courts to ask if they can pinch hit for the San Diego Sheriff.   
This had some problems, because everyone thought the game was over.  So they did some voodoo magic and filed some documents asking the 9th circuit court if they can play ball.   This matter is currently pending before the court and has not been ruled on.
Why do we care if the Attorney general gets a chance to swing? Well. Good question!  After a 3 judge panel makes a ruling, the parties involved have an option to ask the entire court or generally a significantly larger panel, which in the 9th circuit would be 11 justices instead of 3, to rehear the case in question.  This process is called en banc. 

So, if that wasn’t a pain in the ass enough – if the parties involved don’t want to do this, the judges that were on the panel can do it themselves! To make it even better, judges who were not on the panel can also call for a vote.    Once a vote is held or not held, then we kind of know how this will proceed.
Lastly, there are some timelines to this stuff, and a few of them are passing as we speak.  The problem is that because this is such a huge cluster of crap, we don’t even think that the courts or anyone involved are 100% sure of what deadlines have passed and what is to be heard next.

3.)   Just the other day in our case, Judge Alan Kay (our judge) got notice of all this stuff.  He complied with the 9th Circuit and dismissed a section of the case as directed.  Then, he put the State of Hawaii and the Attorney General back on legal notice that a law on the books has been implicated.   This was kind of necessary, because the State and the AG previously ducked out of the suit saying they didn’t want anything to do with it.  Well, now they are going to have to come back and play some ball.

4.)   The future:   We wait.  I know. I know.  And, I really hate it too!  There isn’t too much to do right now.  We have to see how Peruta is ultimately disposed of.  If it stand, carry is a win hands down.  If they start playing legal games with Peruta, we could be stayed or put on hold for a very long time.   Best case scenario is we could be exercising our rights by summer time.  Worst case scenario means we could be waiting a few more years for things to play out in the 9th circuit on a single case.

Lastly, I want people to know that we can still use donations.  If you like the work we are doing, please help us out.  Send a few bucks our way.  We had to bear all the costs of that appeal, which was probably in the realm of 12k dollars.  If you want to help us out, you can do so online at or by mail at 99-040 Kauhale St. #1798, Aiea, HI 96701.   If you have any questions, I’m available through e-mail at  If you really need me, we can talk (just shoot me an e-mail first) and I will be happy to speak with you on the phone.

Blessings to everyone!  We are still fighting – 3 years strong!
Christopher Baker
« on: February 24, 2014, 09:49:39 PM »
Legal and Activism / 9th Circuit Victory: Peruta v. San Diego 2/13/2014.
« on: February 13, 2014, 08:53:10 AM »
9th Circuit Court of Appeals rules that Carry is a right and that may issue licensing is unconstitutional.  Opinions for Richards v. San Diego and Baker v. Kealoha not published at this time.

TLDR version:

1.) A right to carry firearms for self-defense exists outside the home.  Heller was not specific, but pointed squarely to this reasoning.
2.) History shows that bear meant to carry outside for self-defense.
3.) That right can be either/or, or both concealed or open, but one *must* be available to *ALL* common citizens.  May issue policies are wholly unconstitutional.
Post not related to firearms.
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Off Topic / Facebook translating Ebonics?
« on: February 09, 2014, 06:41:22 PM »
Facebook was letting me know it could translate some of the comments in Mr. Noir's thread lol.  Got a little laugh out of it.  :wave:
General Discussion / What finish is this texturing?
« on: February 03, 2014, 03:03:35 AM »

I've seen this on a few guns, and just wanted to get thoughts on what you think it is?  What I have seen so far similar is a duracoat spray with an application of sand or concrete and then sprayed over.

Legal and Activism / Court Holds a Tent is akin to a home under the 2A.
« on: January 11, 2014, 04:59:44 AM »
I've often said that I think it should apply and that it would be lawful where one could legally have a tent and occupy said space. So kind of funny thing to see a court just rule that.  Here you go:

Court holds that tent's are akin to homes and strikes down Army Corps of Engineers regulation banning firearms near their damns.  So says, Morris v. Army Corps of Engineers 1/10/2014

One thing that also might sway here is that these individuals have authorization to camp in these recreation areas.
Off Topic / Did you just say what I think you said?
« on: July 12, 2013, 02:45:22 PM »
In your free time today - do something that can help save many Americans. Call these people, tell them you support Illinois carry and to vote yes on HB997!

**FPC FIRE MISSION** Time to help our friends in Illinois go shall-issue! Carry license bill HB997 is up - CALL CALL CALL today and tell the IL House Reps to VOTE YES on HB997. Please LIKE and SHARE THIS to help spread the word. More info at
General Discussion / Some new T-shirts!
« on: March 13, 2013, 10:19:24 AM »
Just wanted to show some new color shirts we got in :)

2013-03-13 09.29.59 by Hawaii_Defense Foundation, on Flickr

2013-03-13 09.32.36 by Hawaii_Defense Foundation, on Flickr..

2013-03-13 09.38.21 by Hawaii_Defense Foundation, on Flickr
Legal and Activism / MOVED: ONE SENTENCE!
« on: March 02, 2013, 04:56:35 PM »
Legal and Activism / MOVED: It should be a crime
« on: March 02, 2013, 04:56:21 PM »
Events / March - HDF Gun Safety Courses
« on: February 16, 2013, 11:23:48 PM »
HDF is still going strong in terms of classes. We just updated our current class calendar for the month of March.  You will find few places that have the availability of classes that are offered with the foundation.  Additionally, few places have your certificates ready to go at the end of class like we do.  Currently we have five classes scheduled:

March 2nd, 2013 - Gun Safety Class

March 9th, 2013 - Gun Safety Course

March 10th, 2013 - Gun Safety Training

March 31st, 2013 - Gun Safety Class

Basic Pistol Safety Class
This course is a basic introduction to firearms, and will cover a variety of topics to help you understand the inner working and proper use of your hand gun. Although this class teaches some marksmanship principals, it is mostly designed to ensure that you understand the basics of handgun safety in general; this understanding will help ensure that are fully capable of safely operating and using your firearm.

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Any questions, please contact   Advanced training also available.
Legal and Activism / MOVED: don't fall asleep at a bus stop!
« on: February 03, 2013, 07:27:56 AM »
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