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There is nothing of geo-strategic value in Hawaii worth invading for. Even in WW II the Japanese didn't bother. In addition, it is the farthest land mass from any continent, making resupply of troops a very difficult proposition against even token opposition. Lastly, and most importantly, the last country that conducted a military action against Hawaii got NUKED... TWICE!!!

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The only successful invasion in Hawaii is the Coffee Berry Borer beetle.

What about the already in place military installations? I am not a strategist, but I would think they are of some value. Plus it is in the middle of the pacific, automatically cut travel time in half IF you need to go all the way across. Thoughts?

What about the already in place military installations? I am not a strategist, but I would think they are of some value. Plus it is in the middle of the pacific, automatically cut travel time in half IF you need to go all the way across. Thoughts?

The next major war will be a Cyberwar.

The 7th fleet would have something to say about enemy troop transports approaching Hawaii.

Remember when President Clinton sent the 7th Fleet into the Taiwan straights when mainland China massed troops for a "practice" drill for amphibious landings in Taiwan and a Chinese General threatened to NUKE Los Angeles?

In other words: "China is Red, the ocean is Blue, cross the Taiwan straights and you all go swimming before noon!"  I mean all that ocean gives several days advance notice of troop movements. You simply can not mass significant troops nowadays without everyone knowing about it.  If China can't even cross the Taiwan straights, how the heck could they get to Hawaii?

Anyway they come to Hawaii now as tourists!  Why invade Hawaii when you can simply book a vacation.

If Hawaii is invaded, it will likely change hands several times until the end of the war.

If that happens, hopefully we survive all that changing.

It's too strategically important to nuke unless either side decided not to bother anymore. But because of the central location it is perfect for force projection across the Pacific, even for projecting down to Australia.

If Hawaii is invaded, it will likely change hands several times until the end of the war.

If that happens, hopefully we survive all that changing.

It's too strategically important to nuke unless either side decided not to bother anymore. But because of the central location it is perfect for force projection across the Pacific, even for projecting down to Australia.

Harpoon missile technology being what it is, an invasion is impossible. Troop transports would be blown out of the water before they got anywhere near landfall. The only thing that makes any military sense at all would be to nuke pearl harbor to deny the US a base for force projection.  Any invasion is impossible. Since I live on the Big island, if they nuke Oahu, all I have to worry about is radiation poisoning, and we already have that from Fukushima!

I just imagine how I would play it, if it was a computer war game.

You can send submarines with conventional warheads to blow out all the missile sites first, then land troops.

Or land commandoes using submarines (after taking out the missiles and most bases), then land conventional troops.

Hopefully none of this will come to pass.

I just imagine how I would play it, if it was a computer war game.

You can send submarines with conventional warheads to blow out all the missile sites first, then land troops.

Or land commandoes using submarines (after taking out the missiles and most bases), then land conventional troops.

Hopefully none of this will come to pass.

There are no silos for Harpoon missiles which are ship to ship. China gets $500 BILLION in trade from the USA, growing every year. China is heavily invested in USA corporations and the US Treasury Bond market. There is no logical reason for China to go to war the USA. And their navy is coastal defense orientated, not a power projection force. China has never invaded any country though they defacto annexed mainland smaller neighbors.  They can't even get Taiwan back.

In short nothing you said about China invading Hawaii makes a lick of sense, going to war is not a game, and you really sound like a very young & inexperienced person, or you are trolling.... whichever.

There are no silos for Harpoon missiles which are ship to ship. China gets $500 BILLION in trade from the USA, growing every year. China is heavily invested in USA corporations and the US Treasury Bond market. There is no logical reason for China to go to war the USA. And their navy is coastal defense orientated, not a power projection force. China has never invaded any country though they defacto annexed mainland smaller neighbors.  They can't even get Taiwan back.

In short nothing you said about China invading Hawaii makes a lick of sense, going to war is not a game, and you really sound like a very young & inexperienced person, or you are trolling.... whichever.

What is your background to be posting like your the know it all?  IMO your coming off as a condescending prick for a guy that is new to the forum... This thread has been a fun to read discussion of a theoretical invasion of Hawaii until you and all your knowledge decided to grace this thread.  And please explain what "there are no silos for Harpoon missiles" means.

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Harpoon missile:

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=200&ct=2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Harpoon

Too small a missile to need a silo.

Having 10 posts or 10,000 does not make someone right or wrong.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

Well the Littoral combat naval vessel is the ship every foreign naval attache or admiral wants a port call from to the point of drueling over it like naval gun porn.

Israel passed on buying one because of the ridiculous cost and [there were cost overruns every other month] and bought some reliable reasonably priced German destroyers instead. Luckily for our navy, congress spends money [borrowed from CHINA] on this type of stuff.  "In the fiscal year 2011, the unit cost $1.8 billion and the program cost $3.7 billion"

The US Navy just outclasses every other navy in the world by a factor of 100 and not just in shipbuilding, but experience. Germany does make the best Diesel attack submarines though.

Anyways good luck with this thread.  I am bailing on this thread due to name calling, flaming, etc.  and it is now all yours. Good luck with it.

 

-HVS

What a strange person that has been posting here.

Everything that has been discussed has been friendly, and then suddenly this, out of nowhere:

In short nothing you said about China invading Hawaii makes a lick of sense, going to war is not a game, and you really sound like a very young & inexperienced person, or you are trolling.... whichever.

I guess sometimes volcanic activity can happen for no reason at all. Just because it's time to erupt and get the gases out.

I am old enough not to care about such nonsense.

As the other guys said, this was supposed to be a fun thread to read, and unless someone has a crystal ball or some kind of time travel machine, how can anyone say anything for certain about what a country can do or can't do?

Besides, it is not necessarily China.

Quoting very detailed specifications for things is actually quite irrelevant to the big picture analysis of this scenario. It is a common fallacy that actually detracts from appropriate high level strategic thinking. (This is not an insult; it is just an observed fact).

Unless I am mistaken, war gaming is often used to determine real world contingencies. And if it was not, then it should be.

By the way, I appreciate you saying I am young, because that is something that I really wish was true!!! Mahalo on that.

The invasion is already underway. It's called the Trans Pacific Partnership.

Thinking about the discussion that an enemy can't possibly attack Hawaii, I was reminded of how many felt that Japan was too incompetent to pull off something like that.

I watched a documentary where it was mentioned, and here is one Web page I found:

http://www.helium.com/items/1139664-american-response-to-pearl-harbor

America's first response to the surprise Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Sunday morning, December 7, 1941, was shock and disbelief. No one could believe that an small island nation off the Asian mainland could possibly bring off such a feat thousands of miles from its homeland. Part of that disbelief and shock was based on a stereotypical (an erroneous) view of the Japanese: a people short in stature, with exaggerated oriental features, most of whom had to wear coke-bottle thick eye glasses.

So it is always myopic to underestimate the enemy, especially in today's world of modern warfare. Tom Clancy gives us some insight into high tech weapons and asymmetric methods but there have got to be many other types of weapons and tactics that we cannot even conceive of right now (not to mention, developed during the pursuit of the next Great War).

BTW there were plenty of ethnic Japanese during WW2 who were loyal to America and not to the emperor. Wonder if history will repeat itself if China invades. Did they intern all the ethnic German-Americans and Italian-Americans as well?

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Yup. In fact it would be almost a given, that of course, one army did not expect the other, or expect certain tactics, for a great battle to ensue.

Because on Kona side  where I am there are none. Too dry. Coqui invaded Wet side.

They got 'em up in Holualoa, and we got one in a hedge.  Loud little bastard, and he stays in deep so I cannot pop him with a pellet gun.

I personally think that U.S.A. has already learned from Pearl Harbor, and the US military is more than capable in defending its borders from foreign aggression.

In regards to pearl harbor, there were many behind the scene events going on leading up to the bombing.  The Us had already been putting pressure and sanctions on the Japanese. They had been stiring the pot and was waiting for it to bubbling over. The Us had also been aiding great b and France, which a natural country wasn't suppose to be doing. A bombing would allow the Us to enter into the war.