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Title: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on June 23, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
   Just a reminder, we're in Hurricane season.

     Now's the time to rotate your gas supply's, drain, refill  generators (including Fuel stabilizer in both) and fire them up.
Might as well tune up your vehicle ( oil change fuel/injector treatment, check tires, brakes etc...

Rotate your go bag's clothes, food, water, med's, and OTC drugs

Drain, clean and refill your 55 gallon water barrels.

Check your supply of Charcoal, propane, bleach, TP, PT, long term food, water, med's, and OTC drugs.

Don't just survive, prosper. :thumbsup:

Survival is just breaking even !  :grrr:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: new guy on June 23, 2015, 06:36:43 PM
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Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Bcspy on June 23, 2015, 06:41:15 PM
Thanks. Great reminder.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: oldfart on June 23, 2015, 06:57:20 PM
Good post, rocky :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Aiea78 on June 23, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
Good reminder.  Just got some new spam cans tonight good to 2018.  I opened up one old one yesterday that date expired 2013 the fat or whatever the slime part was crystallized.  The meat was kinda funny color pink so I tossed them all and switched to vienna sausage.  I know I know they all kinda' funny pink color but it's time to renew the whole stash :) 

I'll add to buy a couple cans of starting fluid spray.  They sure make things easier even with electric start.  Plus have other uses.

Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: stangzilla on June 23, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
Ammo
Batteries
Clean up outside your house.
Trim your trees
Put away or secure loose items outside
Water Bob
Solar powered radio/recharger
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: oldfart on June 23, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
Ammo
Batteries
Clean up outside your house.
Trim your trees
Put away or secure loose items outside
Water Bob
Solar powered radio/recharger
...
Jack daniels
Cigars
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on June 23, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
Need to pick up some hypochlorate, batteries, coleman propane and 50 cases of water to sell on craigslist for $100 each  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: new guy on June 23, 2015, 09:05:01 PM
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Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: yurcarmeean on June 23, 2015, 09:49:44 PM
what's PT?
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: mauidog on June 23, 2015, 10:22:33 PM
what's PT?

Not my post, but I'm going to guess Purification Tablets.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: macsak on June 23, 2015, 10:25:25 PM
what's PT?

prothrombin
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: djsmiles808 on June 23, 2015, 10:45:11 PM
paper towel?
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: stangzilla on June 24, 2015, 07:28:07 AM
...
Jack daniels
Cigars

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: oldfart on June 24, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
:thumbsup:
...
Yall know that alcohol and tobacco and firearms are valuable commodities in times of crisis.
Why else would the govt form an entire dept to try to control the sale and distribution of these 3 items?
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: 808huey on June 25, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
...
Jack daniels
Cigars
don't forget the handy fleshlights
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on June 25, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
paper towel?
:thumbsup:
and TP is Toilet Paper  :rofl:
Still need boxes ?
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on June 25, 2015, 03:00:24 PM
Did Costco yesterday to replenish canned goods (veggies, spam, CB and CB Hash, Pink Salmon etc...) 150 rolls TP,  90 rolls PT, razors, toothpaste, soap, shampoo Q-tips (not to be confused with tips from Q) gallons of bleach, dish soap, laundry detergent, Clorox Clean Up, nitrile gloves, 15 gallons non-ethanol gas with stabilizer, big ole bottle of Makers Mark, carton of butts and I'm all set.  :thumbsup:

   Seems the system is pretty good.
All old supplies either used/rotated out and nothing beyond expiration.   :geekdanc:

I can't wait to watch the news where everybody is scrambling  :shake: for gas, water, canned goods and TP while I be sipp'n my Old fashion or Mint Julip.   :crazy:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: pj_benn on June 25, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
coworker hooked me up with a small alcohol burner he made when i mentioned i was looking for the best way to boil water when the power goes out.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: oldfart on June 25, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
don't forget the handy fleshlights
...
Fleshlights keep popping up on this forum.
I wonder why???
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on June 26, 2015, 01:33:19 AM
Did Costco yesterday to replenish canned goods (veggies, spam, CB and CB Hash, Pink Salmon etc...) 150 rolls TP,  90 rolls PT, razors, toothpaste, soap, shampoo Q-tips (not to be confused with tips from Q) gallons of bleach, dish soap, laundry detergent, Clorox Clean Up, nitrile gloves, 15 gallons non-ethanol gas with stabilizer, big ole bottle of Makers Mark, carton of butts and I'm all set.  :thumbsup:

   Seems the system is pretty good.
All old supplies either used/rotated out and nothing beyond expiration.   :geekdanc:

I can't wait to watch the news where everybody is scrambling  :shake: for gas, water, canned goods and TP while I be sipp'n my Old fashion or Mint Julip.   :crazy:

This is the confirmed list of stuff to pick up / prep for next month:

- several packets of 78% calcium hypochlorate to make my own bleach solution

- beans and rice from the LDS supply

- bucket of MH dehydrated food

- 3 to 5 bottles propane

- 5-10 cases of water

- shower stuff / toiletries

- ingredients for homemade laundry soap (makes 10 liquid gallons)

- rebuild my emergency washing machine (5 gal bucket, plunger dowel, potato masher)

- 100 to 200 wax firestarters

- 5 or so bic lighters and some naptha gas to refill my zippos




May update later
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on June 28, 2015, 12:51:34 AM
Recently bought a Midland WR-120EZ radio from Amazon and  a Eton Zone Guard  radio from a local Radio Shack.  Both are NOAA weather radios.
Plan to get another 3 pack of butane fuel late summer to cook indoors if need be.  Can't do that with my propane and white gas Coleman stoves.
Also like to get those quick dry flood barriers, but don't know if sold locally.
 Consider with the summer heat, to stay cool (while sleeping) in event of a power loss, putting up a small dome tent in the living room and operating a small battery operated desk fan (at the tents opening).  Due to the round interior shape the air from the fan blew all around making a nice cooling breeze in the tent.  Better than just using the fan to try cool a room and the air only blowing one direction.  I did this one hot summer early afternoon and was good for me to sleep in. 
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on June 28, 2015, 07:04:48 PM
Recently bought a Midland WR-120EZ radio from Amazon and  a Eton Zone Guard  radio from a local Radio Shack.  Both are NOAA weather radios.
Plan to get another 3 pack of butane fuel late summer to cook indoors if need be.  Can't do that with my propane and white gas Coleman stoves.
Also like to get those quick dry flood barriers, but don't know if sold locally.
 Consider with the summer heat, to stay cool (while sleeping) in event of a power loss, putting up a small dome tent in the living room and operating a small battery operated desk fan (at the tents opening).  Due to the round interior shape the air from the fan blew all around making a nice cooling breeze in the tent.  Better than just using the fan to try cool a room and the air only blowing one direction.  I did this one hot summer early afternoon and was good for me to sleep in.

Funny, I've been using my PROPANE 4 burner stove / oven in my kitchen for 8 years.  :wacko:
Propane is propane.

Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on June 28, 2015, 08:41:53 PM
Funny, I've been using my PROPANE 4 burner stove / oven in my kitchen for 8 years.  :wacko:
Propane is propane.

I'm planning on building a 5 gallon rocket stove, given the indefinite wood source behind the house
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: passivekinetic on June 29, 2015, 01:21:49 PM
Here is a good page to keep track of storms.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/east-pacific

Hey, why not use this highly expensive satellite technology for your own use?! They didn't have this sh*t 50 years ago for folks to look at.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on June 29, 2015, 01:41:18 PM
Funny, I've been using my PROPANE 4 burner stove / oven in my kitchen for 8 years.  :wacko:
Propane is propane.
Online discussions about propane indoors seem to run 50-50.   People say they used it for years indoors and no issues.  Maybe bottom line is you have good ventilation for indoors.   Others say that for safety the tank need to be outside.  Guess it's up to the user to decide since there's no definite right answer.
But for me I use the single burner butane stoves with the canister indoors.   Heats up water, and food pretty quick.  When there's a hurricane warning issued, I stage the stove/cannisters, along with portable radios on the dining room table and LED lanterns in each room
 I have 2 burner propane stoves and a lantern but use it outdoors for camping.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Day Day on June 29, 2015, 09:00:32 PM
...
Jack daniels
Cigars
I'll bring da lighter and shot glasses!
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on June 30, 2015, 03:00:16 PM
Online discussions about propane indoors seem to run 50-50.   People say they used it for years indoors and no issues.  Maybe bottom line is you have good ventilation for indoors.   Others say that for safety the tank need to be outside.  Guess it's up to the user to decide since there's no definite right answer.
But for me I use the single burner butane stoves with the canister indoors.   Heats up water, and food pretty quick.  When there's a hurricane warning issued, I stage the stove/cannisters, along with portable radios on the dining room table and LED lanterns in each room
 I have 2 burner propane stoves and a lantern but use it outdoors for camping.
I'm talking about my store bought (Sears) LPG (liquid propane gas)v Bosch Kitchen range and yes, "Others say that for safety the tank need to be outside." which is where my 250 Gal tank is.
I do know of someone who does use the 5 gallon Bar-b-que propane tank for his kitchen stove.
He is smart enough to keep the tank outside piped into his house but dumb enough top have it directly on the outside wall of his range on his coveredd deck.
Too close IMHO
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on July 06, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
Seems a little early in the season but news said another "disturbance might form in our hood.  IMHO the recent high temps also have been early here, normally get that in Sept/Oct.   Don't know if that's something significant or just flukes.
Trying to get off my okole and look into a good solar battery charger for AAA, AA and D.   Gotta stop buying reloading components and accessories and go to Battery Bill's for Goal Zero stuff.
Anyways everyone stay alert and plan to get your extra supplies early to avoid Costco/Ciity Mill crowds.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: hvybarrels on July 06, 2015, 10:02:30 PM
It's a good reminder that I gotta empty, flush and refill the water storage. It's been over a year now.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on July 07, 2015, 01:37:15 AM
just picked up a colman single burner for $20, and will go green can shopping tomorrow.

Picked up a ecozoom dura rocket stove as my primary cooking device because in Hawaii it will cost you 4 times as much to make your own rocket stove  :wacko: Nice pile of firewood that needs to be stacked this week

Pool guy still out of 78% hypochlorate...might have to settle for 73-75%, which is good enough.

Batteries should be on lock, but might need another head lamp.

Was gonna pick up a water BOB, but decided to bleach the hell out of the trash cans again and just let the Gods of rain fill up my containers for free.

Just gotta make sure first aid is replenished and I should be good to go.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: zippz on July 07, 2015, 04:27:30 PM
Was gonna pick up a water BOB, but decided to bleach the hell out of the trash cans again and just let the Gods of rain fill up my containers for free.

Water heater is a good source for drinking water.  Holds 30-50 gallons which will sustain a family of 4  for a week or so.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: ren on July 07, 2015, 04:44:37 PM
Water heater is a good source for drinking water.  Holds 30-50 gallons which will sustain a family of 4  for a week or so.

Not recommended as the anode is magnesium.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on July 07, 2015, 04:46:09 PM
Water heater is a good source for drinking water.  Holds 30-50 gallons which will sustain a family of 4  for a week or so.

Yeah, I have been encouraging the property owner to install a more permanent water catchment system, but the green trashcans are about 90 gallons, and the blue is about 50-60. They are heavy duty, made of dark plastic and  have the potential to be portable (to an extent). I learned this water catchment technique from a water conservation specialist during the last hurricane.

 I also have a few 55 gal drums but they are too cumbersome to move around and I don't have them joined in series, so trash cans will be the way to go.

Another trick that guy taught me (if you have the property space) is to simply just buy those soft wall kid pools and let them fill up during the storm. You can easily catch several hundred, if not thousands of gallons during a heavy downpour in the pools alone, depending on the size of the pool.

Given our property space, I calculated that we can easily catch at least 2000-5000 gallons during a heavy down pour, which is more than enough for us.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on July 07, 2015, 06:17:00 PM
Water heater is a good source for drinking water.  Holds 30-50 gallons which will sustain a family of 4  for a week or so.

Water storage is No.1.   A good thing to have is those 48 qt. or bigger coolers with wheels to get to the water wagon IF it gets to your street.   Another thing which is a real last minute buy is to fill up big coolers with 20 lb bags of ice or block ice if available.  When it melts, you have water.
I have water bobs but thing is you have to be pretty sure that electrical/water will go out since it's mostly one time use.   Can just fill the bathtub instead.  West Marine  sold HD 5 gal. potable water cans (think made by Scepter) for about $24 each.   These smaller containers are more portable around the house and last longer than the thin kind sold at Walmart.
If a big one is coming  the refuse containers to catch rain water (after the winds) is a good idea for gray water.
To minimize water use, I plan to use paper plates or stuff that don't need washing.  Also bought the stainless steel surgical bowl that this lady sells at the gun show to wash face and give yourself a quickie bath when the stink gets to you.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on July 07, 2015, 09:32:49 PM
Hardware Hawaii Kailua had 6-1/2 gal WATER jugs (tan in color) similar to gas cans for $17.00
Funny thing is that's the first time I've seen the jugs actually marked WATER !  ???
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on July 07, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
Hardware Hawaii Kailua had 6-1/2 gal WATER jugs (tan in color) similar to gas cans for $17.00
Funny thing is that's the first time I've seen the jugs actually marked WATER !  ???

Does it look like this?
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.rERkZ8YPvsKGUD3Nswr5rg&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: macsak on July 07, 2015, 10:19:34 PM
duck season!
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: mauidog on July 07, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
I tried Hurricane Season, but I think the Grill Master Steak Rub Season is better.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on July 08, 2015, 01:10:37 AM
just picked up a colman single burner for $20, and will go green can shopping tomorrow.

Picked up a ecozoom dura rocket stove as my primary cooking device because in Hawaii it will cost you 4 times as much to make your own rocket stove  :wacko: Nice pile of firewood that needs to be stacked this week

Pool guy still out of 78% hypochlorate...might have to settle for 73-75%, which is good enough.

Batteries should be on lock, but might need another head lamp.

Was gonna pick up a water BOB, but decided to bleach the hell out of the trash cans again and just let the Gods of rain fill up my containers for free.

Just gotta make sure first aid is replenished and I should be good to go.

A few changes after tonight...

- Cancelled the order on the coleman and rocket stove; figured they wouldn't get here in time (being that the storm arrives over the weekend  :shake: ) and luckily found my old camper stove. I have tons of cinder blocks, so I will just make a makeshift rocket like this:

https://youtu.be/kmDYUrVHPWc

Only change I will make is add another block on top to increase the chimney to 12in, as you want the length to be 3x the diameter of the hole.



- Still no luck finding 78% hypochlorate, and all they have is 63%. Was disappointed to hear that they have no idea what the EPA suggested minimum % is for purifying water is, but I guess it's not something everyone should know, thoughh everyone should know it  that works at a pool chemical supply :crazy:



- If any of you are planning on going to Wally World to restock your first aid, may the odds be ever in your favor. Essential medical stuff was completely wiped out in Ke'eaumoku, and water was nearly gone.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Aiea78 on July 08, 2015, 03:25:41 AM
This ever happen to anyone here?  Happened to me 2x now - liquid detergent jugs spring a leak at a corner making a mess of things.  So I have rotated all of them to the bottom of the rack below any electricals.  I figure the constant heat expansion and then cooling causes the jug to crack at the weak point.  Both were new and unopened jugs no idea how old and just sitting there nothing on top or leaning on them.   I have plenty bar soap plus borax and Oxy to make my own powdered laundry soap but never got around to it.  I think if I buy anymore store bought it will be powdered from now on.

Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on July 08, 2015, 04:02:12 AM
This ever happen to anyone here?  Happened to me 2x now - liquid detergent jugs spring a leak at a corner making a mess of things.  So I have rotated all of them to the bottom of the rack below any electricals.  I figure the constant heat expansion and then cooling causes the jug to crack at the weak point.  Both were new and unopened jugs no idea how old and just sitting there nothing on top or leaning on them.   I have plenty bar soap plus borax and Oxy to make my own powdered laundry soap but never got around to it.  I think if I buy anymore store bought it will be powdered from now on.

top corners or bottom?

containers are getting cheaper and cheaper these days, so could be quality control issue with the plastic itself.

Going to make my own detergent once the current bucket runs out; have a pretty killer recipe with zote soap that makes 10 gallons for half the price.

Also thinking about going to a manual 'emergency' washer full-time, as it seems to clean the clothes 100x better than a conventional washing machine, all while using 1/10 the water. First used this design in the Stan, and it definitely works wonders:

https://youtu.be/bnV-ALrFuYc

Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: passivekinetic on July 08, 2015, 09:42:20 AM
This ever happen to anyone here?  Happened to me 2x now - liquid detergent jugs spring a leak at a corner making a mess of things.  So I have rotated all of them to the bottom of the rack below any electricals.  I figure the constant heat expansion and then cooling causes the jug to crack at the weak point.  Both were new and unopened jugs no idea how old and just sitting there nothing on top or leaning on them.   I have plenty bar soap plus borax and Oxy to make my own powdered laundry soap but never got around to it.  I think if I buy anymore store bought it will be powdered from now on.

which brand? they probably use different quality containers for each brand.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on July 08, 2015, 01:40:47 PM
Does it look like this?
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.rERkZ8YPvsKGUD3Nswr5rg&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
Nope, not the Jerry can look.
More like every day rectangular gas can except tan in color
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on July 08, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
duck season!
Wabbit Season !
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on July 08, 2015, 01:52:12 PM
A few changes after tonight...

- Cancelled the order on the coleman and rocket stove; figured they wouldn't get here in time (being that the storm arrives over the weekend  :shake: ) and luckily found my old camper stove. I have tons of cinder blocks, so I will just make a makeshift rocket like this:
https://youtu.be/kmDYUrVHPWc
Only change I will make is add another block on top to increase the chimney to 12in, as you want the length to be 3x the diameter of the hole.

   This is a great idea but remember that common CMU are not firebrick and that at  prolonged and/or higher temperatures, may split/crack or even worse, "shatter splatter" projecting pieces of concrete.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on July 08, 2015, 01:56:01 PM
This ever happen to anyone here?  Happened to me 2x now - liquid detergent jugs spring a leak at a corner making a mess of things.  So I have rotated all of them to the bottom of the rack below any electricals.  I figure the constant heat expansion and then cooling causes the jug to crack at the weak point.  Both were new and unopened jugs no idea how old and just sitting there nothing on top or leaning on them.   I have plenty bar soap plus borax and Oxy to make my own powdered laundry soap but never got around to it.  I think if I buy anymore store bought it will be powdered from now on.
I have had this happen once to an older detergent container, but I blamed that on stocking up too much and not being able to rotate it out fast enough. :grrr:
Always store liquids on the bottom and out of sunlight and as cool as possible.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on July 08, 2015, 02:17:26 PM
   This is a great idea but remember that common CMU are not firebrick and that at  prolonged and/or higher temperatures, may split/crack or even worse, "shatter splatter" projecting pieces of concrete.
True, but good enough for a short time period.

If I could get my hands on some 3-4in square tubing, I'd just make my own
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on July 08, 2015, 02:49:23 PM
True, but good enough for a short time period.

If I could get my hands on some 3-4in square tubing, I'd just make my own
Get the actual clay chimney flue ( 8x8, 8x12, 12x12 etc...), heat resistant and insulatory( :wacko:).
Throw some fire brick around it or use more than one pieece and you can have an oven too
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: macsak on July 08, 2015, 04:02:46 PM
Wabbit Season !

thanks, rock
 :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on July 08, 2015, 07:19:30 PM
thanks, rock
 :geekdanc:
No, no, no.  :grrr:
Your'e supposed to say "duck season" again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNETiaGVBoE
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on July 08, 2015, 07:40:34 PM
Nope, not the Jerry can look.
More like every day rectangular gas can except tan in color

Man if that was the one pictured I would buy 6 at that price.  The only tan ones I seen were the Scepter type. 
BTW I called Kailua HH today and they have a gray color water can for about $14-15, the tan ones were sold out. 
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on July 08, 2015, 07:41:05 PM
Get the actual clay chimney flue ( 8x8, 8x12, 12x12 etc...), heat resistant and insulatory( :wacko:).
Throw some fire brick around it or use more than one pieece and you can have an oven too

If you buy it, I will accept it.

But for now, cinder blocks it is until the rocket gets here.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: macsak on July 08, 2015, 08:37:21 PM
No, no, no.  :grrr:
Your'e supposed to say "duck season" again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNETiaGVBoE

i know
but someone was complaining about people "wasting posts" saying things like "heads" "hugs" and "pizza"
so i thought i would refrain to save bits and bytes
 :stopjack:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on July 09, 2015, 12:02:42 PM
Became TS Ela today.   Hard to remember the details when watching weather girl Kelly giving the info.   ;)
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on July 09, 2015, 07:42:12 PM
Became TS Ela today.   Hard to remember the details when watching weather girl Kelly giving the info.   ;)

Details: still expected to travel NE of the islands.

Biggest concern right now is the massive amounts of humidity it will draw up, which will make Hawaii feel like it's 95-100F.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: wirecounter on July 17, 2015, 12:43:50 PM
I am totally disgusted with the stupid plastic gas cans with the stupid spout that trickles out gas and drips too.  Totally worthless!

So, did some research and it appears that Jerry Cans are the way to go & specifically NATO spec Jerry Cans.  BUT, it is expensive ~ $119.00 for a 20 liter can from Amazon.  There are cheaper ones out there, but apparently not up to NATO spec.

Please post if you have found a better price for these . . .   

Title: Hurricane season
Post by: dustoff003 on July 17, 2015, 01:02:31 PM
I am totally disgusted with the stupid plastic gas cans with the stupid spout that trickles out gas and drips too.  Totally worthless!

So, did some research and it appears that Jerry Cans are the way to go & specifically NATO spec Jerry Cans.  BUT, it is expensive ~ $119.00 for a 20 liter can from Amazon.  There are cheaper ones out there, but apparently not up to NATO spec.

Please post if you have found a better price for these . . .  :shaka:


https://shop.vtarmynavy.com/mobile/categories.aspx?Keyword=Wavian
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on July 17, 2015, 02:06:41 PM
I am totally disgusted with the stupid plastic gas cans with the stupid spout that trickles out gas and drips too.  Totally worthless!

Not the NATO cans but the NO-SPILL brand gas cans have worked well for me.  I have the 1.25 and 2.50 gal. cans and they don't spill/leak.   Need to press the green button to dispense fuel.   Priced well and available at City Mill, Ace etc. and also available in 5 gal.
 For my weed whacker and chainsaw gas and use once a week.  These are better than the other commercial plastic cans and thicker plastic.   Although I started buying the already blended 92 fuels like Stihl Moto-Mix for some power equipment and emergency use.

Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: wirecounter on July 28, 2015, 12:20:30 PM
Please post if you have found a better price for these . . .   


http://www.ebay.com/itm/261744654442?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&var=560618417718&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

A little more expensive than the dustoff's link, but FREE shipping.  Confirmed as I received one this past Saturday & it is the real deal and not a knock off.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on August 01, 2015, 06:19:58 PM
With this guy named Guillermo possibly hitting Hawaii, most people fill up containers with tap water as their main source.
I live in the area that BWS says the aquifer MAY get contaminated from the Red Hill jet fuel leak.  Already received 2 letters from BWS warning of this issue.   If that does happen, getting water from the tap will not be too ono.   Anyway what water filters for your home does 2AHawaii guys recommend?  I'm not knowledgeable about components of JP-8 fuel.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: oldfart on August 01, 2015, 08:30:29 PM
I only drink bottled water. A few decades ago we had that heptachlor scare over here in Waipahu.
Tap water here tastes junk. I also run bottled water into the icemaker via a flojet pump.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on August 01, 2015, 09:59:40 PM
O.F., I guess your bottled water is like the Menehune Water 5 gal.  containers and not the small Costco kind.  Surprizing that BWS has not filtered your tap water better which makes me think that if our aquifer does become contaminated, we might be on our own.  Was hoping they are planning to use some fancy filtration system in case.   This aquifer serves residents from Moanalua to Hawaii Kai, lots of people.
   I have stored tap water in 5 and 10 gal. containers and a 55 gal. container from last August twin hurricane scare.
Most of the water filters sold at stores filter microbial stuff and heavy metals but not sure this is enough for jet fuel.   I also have about 5 cases of old  Costco bottled water which the plastic is already becoming soft.
I may just buy a PUR faucet filter as it's better than nothing.  I have to drain my old stored water early next week and refill.  I mix in a small amount of non-scented Clorox bleach per every 5 gal.
Hope everyone keep on their toes and stay safe next week.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: kia_killer on August 01, 2015, 10:44:54 PM
I recommend a Reverse Osmosis filter system to anyone looking for serious water filtration. RO is recommended for filtering radioactive water, so I'd imagine it will handle fuel no problem. I got an RO system when I started saltwater tanks, and now I wouldn't have a home without one. Fairly easy to install and the filtered water is stored in a pressure pot, which is nice incase of emergency. If you have the space for it, I think they make the storage pots up to 120gallons.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on August 02, 2015, 08:37:26 PM
I recommend a Reverse Osmosis filter system to anyone looking for serious water filtration. RO is recommended for filtering radioactive water, so I'd imagine it will handle fuel no problem. I got an RO system when I started saltwater tanks, and now I wouldn't have a home without one. Fairly easy to install and the filtered water is stored in a pressure pot, which is nice incase of emergency. If you have the space for it, I think they make the storage pots up to 120gallons.

KK, my issue is lack of space under the sink and don't want to cut a hole in granite counter top for the faucet.  If I were to build a custom house, RO would definitely be installed.
Where and how do you have your unit installed and what size tank do you have? 
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: wirecounter on August 02, 2015, 08:51:40 PM
With this guy named Guillermo possibly hitting Hawaii, most people fill up containers with tap water as their main source.
I live in the area that BWS says the aquifer MAY get contaminated from the Red Hill jet fuel leak.  Already received 2 letters from BWS warning of this issue.   If that does happen, getting water from the tap will not be too ono.   Anyway what water filters for your home does 2AHawaii guys recommend?  I'm not knowledgeable about components of JP-8 fuel.

Did some Google-fu and found out that my Berkey filter will filter out VOCs including fuel, but didn't specify what type of fuel.  May want to contact them to verify.

I have a Big Berkey and it works great with two filter elements although you can have four.  I also have a Katadyn mini for on the go or bug out, a Steripen, Berkey water filter sports bottle (for on the go & my GHB), and a few Nalgene water bottles.  You can never have too much drinking/potable water as it is the most essential for survival, aside from lead that is . . .  :D

And, I have RO filters for both of my sinks as KK suggested it is the best.  Although, you can make/buy a solar water distiller which is equal to or better than RO.  But, it doesn't have the throughput of the RO.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: wirecounter on August 02, 2015, 09:17:44 PM

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A little more expensive than the dustoff's link, but FREE shipping.  Confirmed as I received one this past Saturday & it is the real deal and not a knock off.

These Wavian Jerry Cans are the best!  Buy once cry once. 

It is double the cost of the stupid plastic cans, but: do not have to worry about the plastic deteriorating over time & more importantly - it is completely sealed!  No fumes to worry about, like the stupid plastic "cans." 

Now no need worry about storing in the same metal cabinet with my propane, gun powder, and primers . . .  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Seriously though, these cans will last FOREVER
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: kia_killer on August 02, 2015, 10:49:24 PM
KK, my issue is lack of space under the sink and don't want to cut a hole in granite counter top for the faucet.  If I were to build a custom house, RO would definitely be installed.
Where and how do you have your unit installed and what size tank do you have?
Ya, space is usually the problem. My entire system fits under my sink, including the 4 gallon tank, I tee'd off the cold water valve under the sink to supply the RO system. Most systems come with the fittings to make it work, but Home Depot carries everything you would need if not. My dad has a countertop RO system because he didn't have space under the sink, it is compact, but unsightly on the countertop. He ran it without a storage tank and just filled a pitcher for drinking water daily. RO systems filter slowly, so not having a storage tank is annoying since the water tickles out instead of a steady stream. The storage tank will give you a steady stream of water, but slows down as the tank empties. With my 4 gallon tank I can fill 2 gallons of water before I notice the stream slow, then after 15 minutes it's full again.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on August 03, 2015, 12:59:06 AM
I recommend a Reverse Osmosis filter system to anyone looking for serious water filtration. RO is recommended for filtering radioactive water, so I'd imagine it will handle fuel no problem. I got an RO system when I started saltwater tanks, and now I wouldn't have a home without one. Fairly easy to install and the filtered water is stored in a pressure pot, which is nice incase of emergency. If you have the space for it, I think they make the storage pots up to 120gallons.

Be sure to remineralize.

Both RO and distillation remove essential minerals from the water, making it 'dead'.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on August 03, 2015, 10:58:15 AM

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12053.msg115882#msg115882

   At home and at our BOL, we have Monolithic brand water filters.
Build a Berkey for about $20.00 plus containers.
I splurged for two new 5 gallon buckets w/lids (another $20.00) but you could mount these puppies on 55 gal bbls if you wanted
http://shop.monolithic.com/
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on August 03, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
Did some Google-fu and found out that my Berkey filter will filter out VOCs including fuel, but didn't specify what type of fuel.  May want to contact them to verify.
I have a Big Berkey and it works great with two filter elements although you can have four.  I also have a Katadyn mini for on the go or bug out, a Steripen, Berkey water filter sports bottle (for on the go & my GHB), and a few Nalgene water bottles.  You can never have too much drinking/potable water as it is the most essential for survival, aside from lead that is . . .  :D
I  have a Big Berkey bought around Y2K time but ashamed to say I've never tested it out with water.  I also have a Sawyer SP181 filter system using a modified 5 gal. bucket but this is mostly for microbial stuff (although I put it toghether, also never tested with water).
Right now for drinking water I use that Brita pitcher.

Wire and Kia:   Approximately how much water is used to produce 1 gal. of treated water?   If your systems have plastic tubing how are they holding up as far as durability.  . 
I'll check more into RO.  What brands do you recommend?

Q:  By remineralize, do you mean to shake it up or add a ionizer? 

BTW, BWS has community section on their site that links to the Red Hill issue.  Worse case scenario is not good for Oahu.  They are saying that contaminants include lead, toluene and naptha.   I don't remember BWS getting that worked up about a issue other than chemicals from sugar fields affecting water in central Oahu back in the 80's.  I e-mailed them today to ask if they can recommend a water filter system for fuel contamination.   Will let everyone know what they say.
Thanks for the discussion.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on August 03, 2015, 11:56:39 AM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12053.msg115882#msg115882

   At home and at our BOL, we have Monolithic brand water filters.
Build a Berkey for about $20.00 plus containers.
I splurged for two new 5 gallon buckets w/lids (another $20.00) but you could mount these puppies on 55 gal bbls if you wanted
http://shop.monolithic.com/
Will check this out.  Maybe similar to the Sawyer system I have but mine doesn't have ceramic filters like the Mono.
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: wirecounter on August 03, 2015, 01:03:25 PM

Wire and Kia:   Approximately how much water is used to produce 1 gal. of treated water?   If your systems have plastic tubing how are they holding up as far as durability.  . 
I'll check more into RO.  What brands do you recommend?

The RO system upstairs is over 10 years old & aside from filter replacement it is solid.  The plastic tubing is still in great shape as it is much thicker than the plastic tubing they sell for the water line to the fridge.

The one downstairs is around 5 years old going strong.  Had to replace the old RO system as I could not find one of the filers - discontinued.  >:(

If I recall correctly, the systems' use around 3 gallons to produce 1 gallon of pure water for drinking.

Not sure of the brand, I will check when I get home & post up.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: kia_killer on August 03, 2015, 03:56:45 PM
Haven't replaced a hose or fitting since I put it in about 7 years ago, just replace prefilters yearly and RO membrane every 5. My system is APEC, customer service and quality is good. My dad has a spectrapure low waste system that I believe is 1:1. Mine is somewhere between 2:1 or 3:1 waste/pure. If location permits, you can route the waste water outside to water plants. If you get one make sure is uses 10" filters and 1/4" tubing, that way finding replacement filters/parts is easy since it's mostly standardized.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on August 03, 2015, 07:42:45 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12053.msg115882#msg115882

   At home and at our BOL, we have Monolithic brand water filters.
Build a Berkey for about $20.00 plus containers.
I splurged for two new 5 gallon buckets w/lids (another $20.00) but you could mount these puppies on 55 gal bbls if you wanted
http://shop.monolithic.com/

Built my own after taking Rocko's advice.

It not only saved me a bunch of cash, but also made me like Rocky after all our heated discussions prior to that :rofl:
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Q on August 03, 2015, 07:45:51 PM


Q:  By remineralize, do you mean to shake it up or add a ionizer? 


I mean add essential minerals to the drinking water itself.

RO works by pushing water through a very fine plastic mesh like material at a high pressure, which in turn traps debris, chemicals and unwanted parasites. However, it also catches many of the essential minerals in the water, making it 'dead water'. Lack of minerals and electrolytes in dead water can result in malnutrition and in some cases dehydration, regardless of how much water you drink.

I use a supplement called concentrace, which is minerals in liquid form. I just add 5-10 drops for every liter of water.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: whynow? on August 04, 2015, 07:18:37 AM
Thanks guys for all the info on RO.  Since I don't want to drill a hole in the granite counter top, I'm thinking of using a substitute 1/4" valve  mounted on a sliding platform inside of the underneath cabinet instead of the spigot.  Slide it out when you need water in a container, then slide it back in.
BTW, BWS reply to me was they cannot recommend any brands and that I should do the research.   That was helpful. 
 Will be researching on the different RO systems.
Title: Re: Hurricane season
Post by: Rocky on August 04, 2015, 05:30:49 PM
Built my own after taking Rocko's advice.

It not only saved me a bunch of cash, but also made me like Rocky after all our heated discussions prior to that :rofl:
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WE'RE NOT DONE YET ! :rofl:  :rofl: :rofl:  :love: