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General Topics => Health, Fitness, and First Aid => Topic started by: Heavies on March 28, 2020, 02:06:19 AM
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I see many wearing face masks and gloves now, some making their own.
I'm not going to say it will or won't protect you, I'm sure it's better than nothing at all, but I would like to point out something to at least think about.
From what I've been reading and gathering, the virus is most likely spread from touching a surface that the virus has landed on, unless you've walked through someone's immediate sneeze or cough. From my reading, the virus stays active on surfaces for extended periods of time. When you touch a surface, then inadvertently touch your face, mouth, nose, eyes the virus makes entry.
So, what I am getting at is that if you are wearing PPE, such as gloves and a mask, it is very important that you doff the PPE in a way to not contaminate yourself near your face, eyes, nose, or mouth.
Gloves need to be removed as to not touch the exterior.
Mask needs to be doffed as to not let the inside press against the nose, eyes, and mouth.
You shouldn't be futzing with the mask once it is on, no pulling it up and down. Once on once off.
These items should be once used only. You should remove them outside before entering into a known clean area, and you should thoroughly wash even if you were wearing them.
I don't know if that makes sense, but just something to think about. Just don't want people to get into a false sense of security and be less careful just because you have them.
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Think of it like this.
You have a big fat diarrhea bird turd. You have it on your fingers, hands, and on the exterior of the mask.
You pinch and press it on your mouth. It soaks through doesn't it?
You don't want that, so you need to remove the mask as if to not do that. Same as the gloves, you want that diarrhea bird turn on the outside of the gloves, not rubbing your face and stuff. right?
Just food for thought.
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Speaking of diarrhea, COVID-19 is a respiratory disease that does not cause diarrhea. So why are people panic buying TP?
I agre masks and gloves are unnecessary unless you are caring for a sick person or are sick yourself and don't want to infect anyone else.
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Speaking of diarrhea, COVID-19 is a respiratory disease that does not cause diarrhea. So why are people panic buying TP?
I agre masks and gloves are unnecessary unless you are caring for a sick person or are sick yourself and don't want to infect anyone else.
COVID19 show GI signs in 15-25% of those infected
but yeah, it is not a reason to hoard tp
people are conditioned by shipping strikes and hurricane warnings...
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Speaking of diarrhea, COVID-19 is a respiratory disease that does not cause diarrhea. So why are people panic buying TP?
I agre masks and gloves are unnecessary unless you are caring for a sick person or are sick yourself and don't want to infect anyone else.
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Make a cheap disposable mask with toilet paper?
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Speaking of diarrhea, COVID-19 is a respiratory disease that does not cause diarrhea. So why are people panic buying TP?
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In an apocalypse, TP is "paper money". :thumbsup:
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Still see lots of people doing pretty benign activities wearing face masks. Like being out for an outdoor walk for exercise. I do think the calls for PPE for medical workers are making things worse. I see so many not using the PPE correctly. If not used correctly, will it help? Even then probably yes, but I see so many folks take it off here and there, still touching their face, etc? Even use of gloves. I see many folks using them in the grocery stores, but they are still touching their face and other stuff. . . ::)
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Having been a Bio-Med Eng, I'm pretty versed in PPE, Blood borne pathogens (>big fat diarrhea bird turd) cross contamination, etc...
We've been staying home but there will still be that weekly trip to gather fresh produce and re-supplement existing stocks. (Take advantage of the 60+ only rule early mornings :sleeping:)
Gloves are easy, on when you leave the truck, off after you put the disposable paper bags full of grocery's in back of truck.
Drive home, don new gloves, open door with elbow, bring in grocery's to prep on counter similar to the nice vid someone posted here (except utilizing 2 person, clean/unclean) and sterilize the only things in your pocket, drivers license and CC you used to pay.
Dispose of unclean wrappings in the disposable paper bags you used and out to the trash, strip putting clothes directly in machine and hit shower. :closed:
Mask is handy for some if simply only to remind you to not touch your face. :crazy:
Not sure if I got this on 2a but will post regardless.
It helps to "know your enemy". :grrr:
SUMMARY TO AVOID CONTAGION FROM JOHNS HOPKINS
Notes from an Assistant Professor of Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine:
In our community chat here, they sent this excellent summary to avoid contagion. I share it with you because it is very clear:
* The virus is not a living organism, this is an RNA virus with a protein shell that is covered with a layer of fat, which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and the type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub your hands so for so long: 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius (77°F) for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more effective
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Creating a solution with 1 part BLEACH and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, as it breaks it down from the inside.
* BACTERICIDE DON'T HELP. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; they cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics.
* NEVER SHAKE used or unused CLOTHING, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous), 4 hours (wood, because it removes all the moisture and does not let it peel off and disintegrates), 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (METAL) and 72 hours (PLASTIC). But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules can float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The VIRUS molecules REMAIN VERY STABLE in EXTERNAL COLD, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, DEHUMIDIFIED, DRY, WARM and BRIGHT environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is an excellent use case. Be careful, UV light also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.
* The VIRUS CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA help. The strongest vodka is 50% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE HELPS! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the greater the concentration of the virus. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
* REMINDER, but you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
* MOISTURIZE YOUR HANDS more frequently with lotion from the frequent washing, because the virus can hide in the micro cracks of dry skin. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
The following corrections have been brought to my attention.
1) * LISTERINE HELPS ! It is 65% alcohol.
FALSE
CORRECTION
LISTERINE® mouthwash has not been tested against any strains of corona virus.
Only some LISTERINE® mouthwash formulations contain alcohol, and if present is only around 20% alcohol. LISTERINE® mouthwash is not intended to be used, nor would it be beneficial as a hand sanitizer or surface disinfectant.
Note:
Original formula Listerine is about 54 proof with 26.9% alcohol, and many of the mint flavored mouthwashes are almost 22% alcohol. The alcohol content of Scope weighs in at 18.9%, and Cepacol at 14%.
2) * NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA help. The strongest vodka is 50% alcohol, and you need 65%.
FALSE
CORRECTION:
If you happen to be in possession of the discontinued Bacardi 151 Rum, it is 75.5% alcohol and can be used for disinfection.
APPLY EXTERNALLY ! LOL
Apologies for the misinformation.
Rocky
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https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/disinfect-clean-n95-mask-virus-coronavirus/
best way to disinfect n95 masks without decreasing its filtering ability is to do nothing. air dry it for several hours.
a flu virus lasts longer on hard surfaces, but on a surface like a n95 mask it'll last a few hours
I work in health care, outpatient PT clinic. we are running out of PPE's. we have to conserve the use, although that's not standard practice, but we'll run out if we don't conserve. I've bought my own n95 to use at work bc we don't have any, only have surgical mask at work
I don't blame others for keeping and using PPE for themselves. they bought it, its theirs, use it to protect yourself and your family, do what you gotta do this is desperate times. better yet, just stay home. if I didn't have to go to work I would stay home too.
i'm using mask and gloves when I go out in a public place now. I don't want to get contaminated and bring it home to my family or to my work. I don't want to spread it. I only go to supermarket or Walmart to get essential needs, otherwise I stay home if i'm not working
a friend of mine is making me a reusable mask which i'll use an insert of car cabin hepa air filter, rated 99% filtration. can wash the cloth mask and insert new hepa filter as needed
stay safe everybody :shaka:
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Good link. Thanks for the heads up.
Based on the research, drying for 72 hours would be better, if possible.
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Good link. Thanks for the heads up.
Based on the research, drying for 72 hours would be better, if possible.
I tell people you can reuse if you hang in the sun on clothesline for 2-3 days
as long as was not used by someone who was ill with covid or someone has not coughed in your face
but, as always, #notarealdoctor
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I tell people you can reuse if you hang in the sun on clothesline for 2-3 days
as long as was not used by someone who was ill with covid or someone has not coughed in your face
but, as always, #notarealdoctor
I thought about that but two things:
1) Will the UV damage the plastic fibers? Usually polyethylene or polypropylene
2) Will fine atmospheric dust add to blockage and reduce breathability comfort?
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a friend of mine is making me a reusable mask which i'll use an insert of car cabin hepa air filter, rated 99% filtration. can wash the cloth mask and insert new hepa filter as needed
I forgot to add that my mask will be with a tigerstripe camo pattern! :geekdanc:
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I forgot to add that my mask will be with a tigerstripe camo pattern! :geekdanc:
No Ruger orange? ;D
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No Ruger orange? ;D
maybe I'll have her make 2 :thumbsup:
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maybe I'll have her make 2 :thumbsup:
Put in my order for “Black Rifle” color ;D
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Put in my order for “Black Rifle” color ;D
black rifles matter ;)
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I forgot to add that my mask will be with a tigerstripe camo pattern! :geekdanc:
This is the mask I have set aside. Ordered it in Dec. Seems awfully apropos now. :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/XF99Duh.png?1)
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I thought about that but two things:
1) Will the UV damage the plastic fibers? Usually polyethylene or polypropylene
2) Will fine atmospheric dust add to blockage and reduce breathability comfort?
it will damage it some
but not as much as baking (which could damage the elastic bands) or dipping in alcohol
you are breathing in microscopic dust when you are wearing it, and that will affect longevity of the mask
dust settling on it while it is in the sun is a minuscule amount
I bought an ozone machine last year that is supposed to work too...
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it will damage it some
but not as much as baking (which could damage the elastic bands) or dipping in alcohol
you are breathing in microscopic dust when you are wearing it, and that will affect longevity of the mask
dust settling on it while it is in the sun is a minuscule amount
I bought an ozone machine last year that is supposed to work too...
A buddy of mine bought exactly that, ozone machine.
Both of us are a bit concerned how he should use it safely. He hasn’t done anything with it yet.
You check recently if the machine works?
Better check now while maybe parts are still available and can be delivered.
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I tell people you can reuse if you hang in the sun on clothesline for 2-3 days
as long as was not used by someone who was ill with covid or someone has not coughed in your face
but, as always, #notarealdoctor
I just left the two masks my wife and I used on the top of the black dashboard. Parked in the sun, it should get plenty hot enough to kill any virus, especially when it is going to sit there for 3 days.
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I just left the two masks my wife and I used on the top of the black dashboard. Parked in the sun, it should get plenty hot enough to kill any virus, especially when it is going to sit there for 3 days.
Heat will degrade the plastic fibers. This seems much too hot. Oven level heat.
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I'd just like to point out, these things were not designed for anything other than single use. Gotta do what you gotta do, but they are supposed to be used once and properly remove and disposed of.
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Mask is paper except for elastic straps and I know it is for 1 time use, but these are not ordinary times. On mainland one place is sterilizing 40k masks in a room at once. Not sure how they are doing it, but said it can be reused 20 times that way. I know if using heat, temp has to get up to 158F to kill virus. If elastic bands fail or seem damaged, I will grab a new one. I just used it for 2 hours of shopping and don't plan to use the same mask more than twice. My daughter is sending me several washable cloth masks with the replaceable disposable
inserts. I will have them and 100 inserts early next week. Then I can keep my N95s for what I had bought them for which is woodworking.
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A buddy of mine bought exactly that, ozone machine.
Both of us are a bit concerned how he should use it safely. He hasn’t done anything with it yet.
You check recently if the machine works?
Better check now while maybe parts are still available and can be delivered.
machine works
had been using it a couple times a week in my office crawl space
and to get the smell out of my car after I bring soil home from home depot
just let the ozone break down natural, or air the area out before entering
ozone has a distinct smell, so you know when it's gone and safe
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Ozone will also break diwn other materials such as plastic
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Ozone will also break diwn other materials such as plastic
correct
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Ozone will also break diwn other materials such as plastic
Apparently brain cells too (don't think macsak airs out his car sufficiently)
:rofl:
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The sun will beat anything to death. PVC pipes, tires, lumber, paint, people and animals, plants, and just about everything else.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PX1x6A4os2o/S2sYRBtxetI/AAAAAAAADok/c-iJ2XieDHI/s400/Turbo_BREAKIN_2-4.jpg)
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Absolutely disgusting!
It appears another American company has prioritized profits over people. N95 mask manufacturer, 3M, has been revealed to be prioritizing sales of their N95 masks to foreign countries over orders from Florida! Their official reason, those countries came over and paid in cash. :wtf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmKvC7RpEQ
This is yet more proof of the pitfalls of allowing capitalism to operate in areas of the economy where it should not operate (i.e., the health care industry).
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Another disgusting example of a price gouging masks this time in New Jersey!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-distribute-thousands-of-surgical-masks-gloves-seized-by-fbi/ar-BB125qU2?li=BBnbcA1
Yeah, it is his right to make money, but not in the face of the common good during this pandemic.
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Try look EBay and see how much some lolos bidding fo one box N95 masks. Lik $221 fo box of 20.
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Mayor Gov. Ige tonight issued a "request" that everyone who goes out into the community wear some sort of mask or cloth over their mouth and nose.
Good news for bank robbers! :thumbsup:
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Saw Green out for walk with his wife. No mask for either. He’s also on TV sorting PPE that came in. No mask and literally in the face of the airmen sorting the PPE. So much for leading by example. . .
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Saw Green out for walk with his wife. No mask for either. He’s also on TV sorting PPE that came in. No mask and literally in the face of the airmen sorting the PPE. So much for leading by example. . .
Green needs to go back to issuing medical maryjane prescriptions to paying customers.
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Wearing masks is like public transit, country music, smoking dope, and having kids. It's fine. Just for other people.
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Mayor Ige tonight issued a "request" that everyone who goes out into the community wear some sort of mask or cloth over their mouth and nose.
Good news for bank robbers! :thumbsup:
heads
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Saw Green out for walk with his wife. No mask for either. He’s also on TV sorting PPE that came in. No mask and literally in the face of the airmen sorting the PPE. So much for leading by example. . .
that's DOCTOR Green to you
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heads
I was multitasking. :crazy:
If he wants people to call him Governor, maybe he should start acting like one. :geekdanc:
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No Ruger orange? ;D
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086QTBPV2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
no orange, but I ordered 2 of these in Ruger black! :geekdanc:
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086QTBPV2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
no orange, but I ordered 2 of these in Ruger black! :geekdanc:
Ahh! I'm tempted to buy one, just because! ;D
Good to filter out smoke and lead when we get back to shooting :rofl:
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The place that I work for is sending in some kind of masks for everybody.
I had a discussion with a coworker about wearing a mask all the time.
It seems to me that any kind of common mask will cause you to rebreath your own air causing a reduction in your blood oxygen level.
Anybody consider that?
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The place that I work for is sending in some kind of masks for everybody.
I had a discussion with a coworker about wearing a mask all the time.
It seems to me that any kind of common mask will cause you to rebreath your own air causing a reduction in your blood oxygen level.
Anybody consider that?
My line of work requires fit testing and medical clearance to ensure proper fit and ensure the person is fit enough to use.
This is for respirators though, not masks.
It will reduce airflow regardless, may or may not be an issue, but it is a possibility
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The place that I work for is sending in some kind of masks for everybody.
I had a discussion with a coworker about wearing a mask all the time.
It seems to me that any kind of common mask will cause you to rebreath your own air causing a reduction in your blood oxygen level.
Anybody consider that?
Betta den breathing in one pathogen
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I got fit tested at Safety Systems for the half face respirator when I was doing assessments around asbestos for work. Depending on the filter, it does take a little bit more effort to breath, but I didn't really notice it. Even when under some moderate exertion. I have heard that some folks find it difficult to breathe with the P100 filter, but I never noticed.
They do have those masks that are designed to purposely restrict airflow for training. Never used those though. . .
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Want to make another point on mask and gloves
I see now that most cashiers in stores and food service are wearing gloves.
This is for their own protection not yours, assuming they are using them correctly.
They are not removing them and replacing them after each transaction, nor removing and replacing them after touching everything else in the universe.
Do your own due diligence in handling items after they have touched them.
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Want to make another point on mask and gloves
I see now that most cashiers in stores and food service are wearing gloves.
This is for their own protection not yours, assuming they are using them correctly.
They are not removing them and replacing them after each transaction, nor removing and replacing them after touching everything else in the universe.
Do your own due diligence in handling items after they have touched them.
NOw I wipe things down with cloroox wipes after buying and I get home. I'm also spraying the bottom of cloth bags before putting them down.
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I got fit tested at Safety Systems for the half face respirator when I was doing assessments around asbestos for work. Depending on the filter, it does take a little bit more effort to breath, but I didn't really notice it. Even when under some moderate exertion. I have heard that some folks find it difficult to breathe with the P100 filter, but I never noticed.
They do have those masks that are designed to purposely restrict airflow for training. Never used those though. . .
IIRC, the airflow restriction training mask got sued. They marketed it like high altitude training. But there is a diff between atmospheric pressure and restricted breathing. Told people this for years and no one listed. Those mask were like $100. Told them to just go McDonalds and get a free straw and breath thru that. Now no one wears them in the gym.
I was reading my P100 respirator manual and it says if breathing becomes difficult, that's 1 sign of a filter needing to be changed. I have never been officially fit for a respirator, but pretty sure I'll be OK. Maybe I'll do a home banana test. Go Foodland and buy a bunch of banana's.
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IIRC, the airflow restriction training mask got sued. They marketed it like high altitude training. But there is a diff between atmospheric pressure and restricted breathing. Told people this for years and no one listed. Those mask were like $100. Told them to just go McDonalds and get a free straw and breath thru that. Now no one wears them in the gym.
I was reading my P100 respirator manual and it says if breathing becomes difficult, that's 1 sign of a filter needing to be changed. I have never been officially fit for a respirator, but pretty sure I'll be OK. Maybe I'll do a home banana test. Go Foodland and buy a bunch of banana's.
Yup. Sounds like you'll be just fine. . . :thumbsup:
:facepalm:
Nah, but really. The fit test for the seal of the 3m mask is easy. The testing of the filter, different story. There are "good enough" methods. Google has a few.
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NOw I wipe things down with cloroox wipes after buying and I get home. I'm also spraying the bottom of cloth bags before putting them down.
I went to Costco 2 days ago. The employees at the entrance wiped down each cart with disposable disinfectant wipes and wore gloves & masks.
About 1/4 of the customers and 1/2 the employees were wearing masks and/or gloves.
I put on a pair of nitrile gloves during my visit. As I approached the fresh strawberries, an elderly woman wearing a loose-fitting mask and oversize rubber gloves was picking up plastic containers one after the other, the way I'm sure she always sorts through containers looking for the best pick from flats of produce. I walked right by the strawberries wondering if she even understands how someone without gloves or a mask may have already contaminated the produce as well as her gloves now...and subsequently everything she touches?
Wearing PPE is not a silver bullet. Just like a condom, if you use it wrong, you might as well not waste your money.
Anyway, the UPS driver and Postal Carrier (no pun intended) both came to the house wearing NO gloves nor masks. I had to ask the UPS guy to set the box down a couple of feet away -- he was intending to hand it to me. :wtf:
We don't need to be overly paranoid if we follow basic guidelines. But being completely careless is what's gotten NY in the situation they are struggling through.
Common sense isn't common, as many will attest to.
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For those who still aren't UP on the differences between latex and nitrile ...
Enjoy! :geekdanc:
Nitrile Gloves vs. Latex Gloves
https://youtu.be/BcdbHs27ESU
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Common sense isn't common, as many will attest to.
That's all relative.
Case in point, I would say wearing a face mask is infinitely higher priority than wearing gloves.
You can easily disinfect your hands with sanitizer gel or spray.
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For those who still aren't UP on the differences between latex and nitrile ...
Enjoy! :geekdanc:
Nitrile Gloves vs. Latex Gloves
https://youtu.be/BcdbHs27ESU
I was thinking Lamb skin. :D
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TBH, we all had an issue with putting a condom on at 1 point if our life.
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That's all relative.
Case in point, I would say wearing a face mask is infinitely higher priority than wearing gloves.
You can easily disinfect your hands with sanitizer gel or spray.
Wearing masks is a priority for the INFECTED, to prevent them from spreading the virus.
Wearing gloves, washing hands and not touching our faces is a priority for the UNINFECTED and INFECTED alike, as it lowers the risk of spreading and contracting the disease.
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Wearing masks is a priority for the INFECTED, to prevent them from spreading the virus.
Wearing gloves, washing hands and not touching our faces is a priority for the UNINFECTED and INFECTED alike, as it lowers the risk of spreading and contracting the disease.
Many of your posts are informative and well thought out, but I noticed that even someone normally rational like you can succumb to the thinking mistakes that, ironically, you recently have been accusing people of, such as being a “sheeple” for believing MSM nonsense, and not having “common sense.” In the above reply you are still clinging onto the irrational, promulgated by the MSM. You would probably not be thinking the way you did if they didn't start selling us that nonsensical idea, so it seems even someone normally rational like you can succumb to the MSM. I can even imagine you taking the other side (which you should have in the first place) and telling people they are stupid sheeple for not wearing masks.
The face mask thing is so simple and logical, it is surreal people are even debating it. Now it seems the US government, and other countries, that told people not to wear masks, are all backtracking. But of course, they can’t actually say they were wrong before, so they need to frame it in a way to say oh, with new research information, now they think people can breathe it out, so everyone should wear it. What kind of mental acrobatics do we need to do to twist our brains around such a simple thing? It’s almost like the communist China propaganda they use to twist the Chinese people’s brains.
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Just watch, now I predict the MSM is going to go out of its way to tell people TO WEAR masks, and then eventually they are going to start to use the shaming tactic to shame people who do not wear masks. We will see a LOT of media coverage on how to make masks, how to wear masks, how fashionable they are, maybe some celebrities will wear masks, etc.
This is exactly how China (and probably the old USSR) does it and everyone without critical thinking follows along the latest "decree" from the Chairman.
Later, they will switch from DIY masks to tell you to wear the actual damned medical grade mask.
Back to my original comment, if they want to tell people to be altruistic and let medical staff have the N95, that's what they should do. Not use deception to put everyone at risk, and even cause us to waste time and energy debating this exact topic. Nuts!
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Wearing masks is a priority for the INFECTED, to prevent them from spreading the virus.
Wearing gloves, washing hands and not touching our faces is a priority for the UNINFECTED and INFECTED alike, as it lowers the risk of spreading and contracting the disease.
I should not have to do this because it is VERY SIMPLE LOGIC but it seems I need to.
How do you know YOU are not an ASYMPTOMATIC CARRIER?
Does that mean you don't care about the people you might inadvertently infect, the ones you have come across in your shopping runs?
I honestly do not believe you are such a person.
So what you have done is just succumbed to MSM nonsense.
This is not even including the fact that masks protect a person from being infected, which again is such a simple thing, it's IDIOCRACY we need to debate it.
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I just thought of an analogy.
Does a condom protect you or protect your sex partner?
DOH!
The governments are telling people, don't wear condoms! Wear one only if you have HIV.
Save the condoms for sex workers and those who already have HIV!
Get tested. But don't wear a condom unless you have 100% confirmed HIV.
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I am laughing at home because the whole thing is so ridiculous!
So this condom analogy, take it further.
You don't wear a condom unless you are 100% HIV positive.
So if you have symptoms such as organ failure or some other kinds of warning signs, then get tested, and MAYBE you can consider wearing a condom then.
And THEN you tell your sex partners (and also mention to your spouse, LOL) that they might want to get tested, but none of them should wear any condoms until they start showing symptoms or get a positive test result.
WTF folks!?! Is this the world we live in now?! Why are so many people not seeing how ridiculous the official mask policy is?
PS - Oh, don't wear real condoms. DIY! Save those sausage skins and maybe repurpose the plastic bags and ziplocs. Use CONTACT CEMENT maybe if you have to (let dry first). LOL
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I just thought of an analogy.
#Pho-Cuss
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=36322.msg323616#msg323616
You are excused if you've never dated a hot tree hugger who insisted on organic. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I am laughing at home because the whole thing is so ridiculous!
So this condom analogy, take it further.
You don't wear a condom unless you are 100% HIV positive.
So if you have symptoms such as organ failure or some other kinds of warning signs, then get tested, and MAYBE you can consider wearing a condom then.
And THEN you tell your sex partners (and also mention to your spouse, LOL) that they might want to get tested, but none of them should wear any condoms until they start showing symptoms or get a positive test result.
WTF folks!?! Is this the world we live in now?! Why are so many people not seeing how ridiculous the official mask policy is?
PS - Oh, don't wear real condoms. DIY! Save those sausage skins and maybe repurpose the plastic bags and ziplocs. Use CONTACT CEMENT maybe if you have to (let dry first). LOL
It's a good analogy. IF YOU USE THEM PROPERLY.
Do you wear a condom at all times?
Do you attempt to wash them and reuse them?
Do you put one on and touch everything on the planet, then use them for what they are supposed to be used for?
Do you use one and leave it on after you use it?
Do you use it and take it off and throw it on the ground for some kid to pick up and play with?
No one is saying don't use, just be smart about it, and attempting to stretch items beyond their intended use is counterproductive and even dangerous.
And furthermore, all these gotdamn imbeciles are taking off their infected ass PPE and throwing them everywhere and not disposing them properly. Potentially infecting those of us who have a brain and use it.
As gun owners, I hope we are using our heads and not just willi nilly doing things that don't make sense.
Do you buy a brand new gun and take it to the range before you even know how to use it properly and how to safely unload it?
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It's a good analogy. IF YOU USE THEM PROPERLY.
Do you wear a condom at all times?
Do you attempt to wash them and reuse them?
Do you put one on and touch everything on the planet, then use them for what they are supposed to be used for?
Do you use one and leave it on after you use it?
No one is saying don't use, just be smart about it, and attempting to stretch items beyond their intended use is counterproductive and even dangerous.
As gun owners, I hope we are using our heads and not just willi nilly doing things that don't make sense.
Do you buy a brand new gun and take it to the range before you even know how to use it properly and how to safely unload it?
I've got your analogy right here! :rofl:
Social distancing (abstinence), in the HIV scenario, would be 100% effective. Condoms are lucky to be 90% effective as they can fail or be used improperly.
Why trust a 90% solution when 100% is available?
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I've got your analogy right here! :rofl:
Social distancing (abstinence), in the HIV scenario, would be 100% effective. Condoms are lucky to be 90% effective as they can fail or be used improperly.
Why trust a 90% solution when 100% is available?
Not really because abstinence in this case is not plausible. People still need to work, get food, etc.
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Not really because abstinence in this case is not plausible. People still need to work, get food, etc.
That's my point. The whole HIV/Condom analogy is not accurate. Too many other variables.
I think the firearm analogy is best. If you get one for protection, but don't learn/practice proper safe handling, you're increasing your chances of being harmed/killed.
A gun only keeps you safer in case of a real attack/threat. Same for masks. If you never encounter the virus, the mask served no purpose.
Both masks and guns have multiple benefits. Guns protect against violence, can put food on the table, and may be used in trade. Masks can prevent infected users from infecting others, reduce the chances of the wearer getting infected, works for much more than just COVID-19 and may be used in trade.
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OMG! You guys are too much! Nuts!
Please, STOP THE INSANITY already!
I don't think we should continue this discussion. It seems people's minds are set and even using logic and analogies is not working.
One more time, let's look at this point by point.
Do you wear a condom at all times?
You wear the mask when you go outside of your home.
Do you attempt to wash them and reuse them?
No, they are one use items, but when you have only one mask, you have to do it, to avoid infection. So you do it extremely carefully, using a scientific approach. Masks are being disinfected and reused by medical professionals now. Check the news. It was on the news last night.
Do you put one on and touch everything on the planet, then use them for what they are supposed to be used for?
Do you use one and leave it on after you use it?
Do you use it and take it off and throw it on the ground for some kid to pick up and play with?
No, the majority of people are not going to do that.
No one is saying don't use, just be smart about it, and attempting to stretch items beyond their intended use is counterproductive and even dangerous.
Exactly. So use them as intended, to prevent being infected, and also infecting others. Wear a mask. Disinfect it properly if you can't buy another one and dispose of the one you used.
And furthermore, all these gotdamn imbeciles are taking off their infected ass PPE and throwing them everywhere and not disposing them properly. Potentially infecting those of us who have a brain and use it.
Most people won't do that. A few imbeciles are also using guns and condoms incorrectly. So all guns and condoms should be banned for everyone?
As gun owners, I hope we are using our heads and not just willi nilly doing things that don't make sense.
Exactly my point. Use logic and rational sense please.
Do you buy a brand new gun and take it to the range before you even know how to use it properly and how to safely unload it?
Exactly we do not. There is a proper technique to putting on and taking off a mask. The public needs to be educated about it. It is not rocket science and is infinitely simpler than handling a gun. There are countless videos in many languages explaining how to don and doff a mask.
That's my point. The whole HIV/Condom analogy is not accurate. Too many other variables.
I think the firearm analogy is best. If you get one for protection, but don't learn/practice proper safe handling, you're increasing your chances of being harmed/killed.
A gun only keeps you safer in case of a real attack/threat. Same for masks. If you never encounter the virus, the mask served no purpose.
The analogy is not accurate because you guys are using irrational reasons to think about it.
You are basically using the liberal logic of firearms to apply to masks, saying there are crazy people who are irresponsible and that people who do not use guns properly will kill themselves and others, so nobody should be using these. And that guns are useless if you never encounter a real threat. Might as well never use seat belts either. Or condoms!
OK enough of this, sorry but it's too much. If you STILL don't get it, I think there's nothing to be said.
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OMG! You guys are too much! Nuts!
Please, STOP THE INSANITY already!
I don't think we should continue this discussion. It seems people's minds are set and even using logic and analogies is not working.
One more time, let's look at this point by point.
Do you wear a condom at all times?
You wear the mask when you go outside of your home.
Do you attempt to wash them and reuse them?
No, they are one use items, but when you have only one mask, you have to do it, to avoid infection. So you do it extremely carefully, using a scientific approach. Masks are being disinfected and reused by medical professionals now. Check the news. It was on the news last night.
Do you put one on and touch everything on the planet, then use them for what they are supposed to be used for?
Do you use one and leave it on after you use it?
Do you use it and take it off and throw it on the ground for some kid to pick up and play with?
No, the majority of people are not going to do that.
No one is saying don't use, just be smart about it, and attempting to stretch items beyond their intended use is counterproductive and even dangerous.
Exactly. So use them as intended, to prevent being infected, and also infecting others. Wear a mask. Disinfect it properly if you can't buy another one and dispose of the one you used.
And furthermore, all these gotdamn imbeciles are taking off their infected ass PPE and throwing them everywhere and not disposing them properly. Potentially infecting those of us who have a brain and use it.
Most people won't do that. A few imbeciles are also using guns and condoms incorrectly. So all guns and condoms should be banned for everyone?
As gun owners, I hope we are using our heads and not just willi nilly doing things that don't make sense.
Exactly my point. Use logic and rational sense please.
Do you buy a brand new gun and take it to the range before you even know how to use it properly and how to safely unload it?
Exactly we do not. There is a proper technique to putting on and taking off a mask. The public needs to be educated about it. It is not rocket science and is infinitely simpler than handling a gun. There are countless videos in many languages explaining how to don and doff a mask.
That's my point. The whole HIV/Condom analogy is not accurate. Too many other variables.
I think the firearm analogy is best. If you get one for protection, but don't learn/practice proper safe handling, you're increasing your chances of being harmed/killed.
A gun only keeps you safer in case of a real attack/threat. Same for masks. If you never encounter the virus, the mask served no purpose.
The analogy is not accurate because you guys are using irrational reasons to think about it.
You are basically using the liberal logic of firearms to apply to masks, saying there are crazy people who are irresponsible and that people who do not use guns properly will kill themselves and others, so nobody should be using these. And that guns are useless if you never encounter a real threat. Might as well never use seat belts either. Or condoms!
OK enough of this, sorry but it's too much. If you STILL don't get it, I think there's nothing to be said.
I get the point you are making.
The point I am making is that 8 out of 10 people I see in public wearing a mask and gloves are infecting themselves, just by observing what they are doing, if the virus was on their person.
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Did some skimming. I am trained and fit tested for a variety of different respirators and wear them regularly. The respiators they sell at safety systems will protect you but not the people around you, if you are worried about old or ill people you are around. The respirators used for construction have one way valves so when you breathe out the air flows out without passing through the filter. Any droplets/micro droplets/germs etc will go right out. Same reason that the masks that were good for wildfire people cannot be used by medical, the wildfire masks have one way valves. Please take this into consideration when you choose what you are going to wear. Please consider all the drs and nurses suffering because of hospital over capacity all around the world, wear something that protects not only yourself but others you come into contact with too.
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Did some skimming. I am trained and fit tested for a variety of different respirators and wear them regularly. The respiators they sell at safety systems will protect you but not the people around you, if you are worried about old or ill people you are around. The respirators used for construction have one way valves so when you breathe out the air flows out without passing through the filter. Any droplets/micro droplets/germs etc will go right out. Same reason that the masks that were good for wildfire people cannot be used by medical, the wildfire masks have one way valves. Please take this into consideration when you choose what you are going to wear. Please consider all the drs and nurses suffering because of hospital over capacity all around the world, wear something that protects not only yourself but others you come into contact with too.
Exactly. The RZ masks I have are rated at 99.9% effective down to .1 micron. They use the rubber/silicon valves, too.
What these designs do, as you said, is expel your breath (and any contagions) through the valves, not the filter. However, the benefit is that they also do not have your breath blowing every particle the mask filters back into the air as you exhale through the filter. Anything harmful that your mask filters as you inhale will remain there. The 3M N95 masks don't have that. When you exhale, you're blowing anything you avoided inhaling back into the air for someone else near you to inhale.or touch after it lands.
Every design has positives and negatives. The concept with the valves is based on an assumption that using it keeps you healthy. Therefore, there's no risk of others being infected from your exhalations.
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No. The mask traps the particles. They are still trapped when you exhale.
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I just thought of an analogy.
Does a condom protect you or protect your sex partner?
DOH!
The governments are telling people, don't wear condoms! Wear one only if you have HIV.
Save the condoms for sex workers and those who already have HIV!
Get tested. But don't wear a condom unless you have 100% confirmed HIV.
A condom helps 1 last longer.
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A condom helps 1 last longer.
I thought condoms were to prevent pregnancy?
I wear two condoms 24/7, then when ready to ;D ;D ;D . . . I take one off for the thrill factor.
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https://fstoppers.com/education/unique-photographic-technique-shows-importance-face-masks-amid-pandemic-472268
This one I in Japanese, but has English subtitles..
https://youtu.be/Un2Qz792Z3w
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I wear two condoms 24/7, then when ready to ;D ;D ;D . . . I take one off for the thrill factor.
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like this?
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heads
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Better to have and not need than to need and not have
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Reporters Without Masks Grill Trump About Not Wearing a Mask
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://youtu.be/ZDacJ0NTUiE
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There is proof that if Trump had the cure for cancer, the DNC would use every effort to stop it. He tweeted about the possible effects of the Malaria drugs. The fake news jumped on it. Then some dumbass ingested fish tank cleaner because it shared a common name and died. For days, that's all the news headlines read were "Man dies due to Trump's cure". Then on some articles, hidden toward the end, they mention it was fish tank cleaner.
I wonder how long testing is delayed because they don't want Trump to get any credit what so ever. Even though he didn't think about it, but was going off of the positive treatments of other countries like France and Italy.
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There is proof that if Trump had the cure for cancer, the DNC would use every effort to stop it. He tweeted about the possible effects of the Malaria drugs. The fake news jumped on it. Then some dumbass ingested fish tank cleaner because it shared a common name and died. For days, that's all the news headlines read were "Man dies due to Trump's cure". Then on some articles, hidden toward the end, they mention it was fish tank cleaner.
I wonder how long testing is delayed because they don't want Trump to get any credit what so ever. Even though he didn't think about it, but was going off of the positive treatments of other countries like France and Italy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LLGQLKNBS-o
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There is proof that if Trump had the cure for cancer, the DNC would use every effort to stop it. He tweeted about the possible effects of the Malaria drugs. The fake news jumped on it. Then some dumbass ingested fish tank cleaner because it shared a common name and died. For days, that's all the news headlines read were "Man dies due to Trump's cure". Then on some articles, hidden toward the end, they mention it was fish tank cleaner.
I wonder how long testing is delayed because they don't want Trump to get any credit what so ever. Even though he didn't think about it, but was going off of the positive treatments of other countries like France and Italy.
And then you find out his wife was anti Trump die hard hilly fan who donated $500 to hrc and that she was already charged with abusing her husband and divorce papers had been filed. :rofl: :rofl:
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And then you find out his wife was anti Trump die hard hilly fan who donated $500 to hrc and that she was already charged with abusing her husband and divorce papers had been filed. :rofl: :rofl:
Which is more likely?
A. A Trump-hating couple did what they mistakenly thought Trump told them they ought to do?
OR
B. A woman who was arrested in the past for assaulting her husband and still wanted a divorce saw a chance to get rid of him without the muss and fuss of a divorce, and at the same time blame the President she hates?
They both drank it, but he's the one who died. Nothing "fishy" ..... :rofl:
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the organization that is pushing for everyone to wear masks and have persuaded the Honolulu Mayor to mandate it
http://www.every1nehawaii.com/covid-19-hawaii (http://www.every1nehawaii.com/covid-19-hawaii)
“The big mistake in the U.S. and Europe, in my opinion, is that people aren’t wearing masks. This virus is transmitted by droplets and close contact. Droplets play a very important role—you’ve got to wear a mask, because when you speak, there are always droplets coming out of your mouth. Many people have asymptomatic or presymptomatic infections. If they are wearing face masks, it can prevent droplets that carry the virus from escaping and infecting others."
-George Gao, director-general of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention
MOVEMENT FOR STATE-WIDE USE OF NON-MEDICAL GRADE MASKS AS CRITICAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AGAINST COVID-19
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I swear by dis one. Da sella wen tell me dis company been making anti-virus mo den 25 years and da disc stay make one magnetic field 3 ft around your whole body fo kill any virus. She said, "I promise."
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the organization that is pushing for everyone to wear masks and have persuaded the Honolulu Mayor to mandate it
http://www.every1nehawaii.com/covid-19-hawaii (http://www.every1nehawaii.com/covid-19-hawaii)
“The big mistake in the U.S. and Europe, in my opinion, is that people aren’t wearing masks. This virus is transmitted by droplets and close contact. Droplets play a very important role—you’ve got to wear a mask, because when you speak, there are always droplets coming out of your mouth. Many people have asymptomatic or presymptomatic infections. If they are wearing face masks, it can prevent droplets that carry the virus from escaping and infecting others."
-George Gao, director-general of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention
MOVEMENT FOR STATE-WIDE USE OF NON-MEDICAL GRADE MASKS AS CRITICAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AGAINST COVID-19
I've seen this floated around everywhere. WTF is this? A scam? Phishing expedition? ???
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I've seen this floated around everywhere. WTF is this? A scam? Phishing expedition? ???
Been seeing lots of that or similar. Where people are taking and posting/sharing as facts. Another is medium.com where it's essentially a collaboration of opinions. Anyone can say stuff in a confident and credible sounding manner and people will believe it's true. Have lots of those folks on the board here. . .
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hawaii]http://www.every1nehawaii.com/covid-19-hawaii[/url]
-George Gao, director-general of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention
MOVEMENT FOR STATE-WIDE USE OF NON-MEDICAL GRADE MASKS AS CRITICAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AGAINST COVID-19
Da pakes jus tryin fo make som money az all. Since dey make choke masks, dey lik make one good market, lik toilet peppa. You neva heeya da jingle, "Chin Chin Chinaman sitting on da fence, tryin fo make a dolla outta fifty cents."
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Da pakes jus tryin fo make som money az all. Since dey make choke masks, dey lik make one good market, lik toilet peppa. You neva heeya da jingle, "Chin Chin Chinaman sitting on da fence, tryin fo make a dolla outta fifty cents."
Waycist! >:D
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Waycist! >:D
My fadda's parents com direct fom China in da late 1890s. Since I half Pake, I get da right fo talk about dem guys.
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Note my new invention.
I call it the CanineT5 mask.
Includes peanut butter for easier installation.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLm6s1DH/kaaoki042520.png) (https://postimg.cc/1g9W2wBT)
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Since its a mandate now - I've observed people touching their face more often to adjust, take off or fiddle with their masks. This is is like going to the Progressive Insurance Amusement Park with a helmet.
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Plus now no can sample da poke befo you buy.
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Since its a mandate now - I've observed people touching their face more often to adjust, take off or fiddle with their masks. This is is like going to the Progressive Insurance Amusement Park with a helmet.
I need to go to Costco this week. I'll do a little recon on how many sample distributors are still working.
The correct answer should be "zero". :rofl:
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The company rhat runs the sample tables (they are not Costco employees) closed temporarily at least 2 weeks ago and will remain closed through the pandemic.
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The company rhat runs the sample tables (they are not Costco employees) closed temporarily at least 2 weeks ago and will remain closed through the pandemic.
I assumed that would be the case, but it never hurts to do an in-house verification. :shaka:
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Has anyone seen on a regular basis the news or politicians (Kawakami, Caldwell, etc..) being on TV and telling people how to property wear their mask? I still see lots of people with their nostrils exposed, N95 with long beards, etc...Maybe I saw the news mention it once, but not enough because people are still wearing them wrong.
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Along this line, for many years now, people from Japan and China have been wearing masks.
Long before covid19. They knew something Americans didn't know?
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Has anyone seen on a regular basis the news or politicians (Kawakami, Caldwell, etc..) being on TV and telling people how to property wear their mask? I still see lots of people with their nostrils exposed, N95 with long beards, etc...Maybe I saw the news mention it once, but not enough because people are still wearing them wrong.
I saw Mayor Kim on TV the other day. Mask falling off, barely able to keep on his nose. Had to adjust many times during his interview, rubbed his eyes, etc. :facepalm:
Along this line, for many years now, people from Japan and China have been wearing masks.
Long before covid19. They knew something Americans didn't know?
Many live daily lives in such cramped quarters that wearing of masks by the sick to prevent spread is good sense. Many "westerners" wear masks to protect themselves from getting exposed.
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nothing to do with masks, but i'm getting tired of seeing mayor Kawakami dancing
I don't want to see you dance. just do your job. don't dance. :grrr:
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nothing to do with masks, but i'm getting tired of seeing mayor Kawakami dancing
I don't want to see you dance. just do your job. don't dance. :grrr:
Would rather see his wife dance.
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Would rather see his wife dance.
got the hot wife?
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got the hot wife?
IDK, but I choose female dancing over him.
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nothing to do with masks, but i'm getting tired of seeing mayor Kawakami dancing
I don't want to see you dance. just do your job. don't dance. :grrr:
What? You mean you aren't following his cooking advice as well? :P [sarcasm, just in case it didn't come across properly]
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got the hot wife?
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I saw a video on the news. Was that his wife or daughter??
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Along this line, for many years now, people from Japan and China have been wearing masks.
Long before covid19. They knew something Americans didn't know?
They live in a sh*thole city and know firsthand how bad the air pollution can get.
Walk around in downtown Bangkok. Then you'll know what they know: they can't breathe without filtering out all the gas fumes -- especially during rush hour!!
It's the same in Seoul, S. Korea and I'm sure in many other countries in that part of the world.
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They live in a sh*thole city and know firsthand how bad the air pollution can get.
Walk around in downtown Bangkok. Then you'll know what they know: they can't breathe without filtering out all the gas fumes -- especially during rush hour!!
It's the same in Seoul, S. Korea and I'm sure in many other countries in that part of the world.
Taiwan is the same. Mostly fumes from mopeds. I've even seen nostril inserts that way you don't have to wear a mask. IDK if held in with glue or not.