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Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 08:11:07 AM
Looking for your experiences and recommendations on .22 lr bolt action rifle.  I've long wanted a .22 lr bolt action, or even a 10/22, but never got around to it.  When my centerfire bolt action comes in, I might as well maximize my time at HPD, so .22 lr bolt actions seems next on the list. 

I've shot Savage BA .22 lr a lot over the years.  Seems like a very solid rifle, readily available (in normal times), and very fun to shoot.  I've shot some others over the years, but none that stood out. CZ, Ruger, etc. 

Was going more research lately and read that some have issues with the Savage trigger, or something not to their liking.  I thought the Savage .22 lr BA rifle triggers were ok, or at least didn't notice anything bad about them.

Anyone who has been in the market for .22 lr BA, how available are they locally as of late?  I should run down to LGSs and check them out.  I'd want to try to buy one through a LGS as first choice, but I'm ok with ordering online. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on August 23, 2021, 08:45:10 AM
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/ (https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 08:48:31 AM
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/ (https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/)
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/sporting-models.html

Looked at some on that page.  Wow. . .
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on August 23, 2021, 08:52:25 AM
best trigger on a .22 in my opinion. Or if you can find a Win 52 or Rem 40x - they are cheaper but the best I think is Anschutz
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 12:12:13 PM
best trigger on a .22 in my opinion. Or if you can find a Win 52 or Rem 40x - they are cheaper but the best I think is Anschutz
Was looking for something in the lower price range, but seeing how things "escalated" quickly with my bolt actions, I might end up in that end of the spectrum. 

A couple of friends are into .22 lr and from what they have told me the "rabbit hole" is much worse than with centerfire, which I can imagine.  Add to that I don't have much .22 lr ammo.  I should have scooped up the ammo that Inspector had falling out of his safe before he left.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 12:39:44 PM
Got my Ruger RPRR for under $500.  Keeps up with KIDD semi autos.  And considering the price diff of $500 vs. $1200, its worth it.  The trigger is bladed, but doesn't bother me.  Mine is set up to be like a tac driver. Got 4x18 Leupold AR scope on her ($700 in the late 1990's).

IDK about availability. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 12:42:42 PM
50 yards, no rear bag. And like 3rd time shooting the rifle. Top is CCI-SV. Bottom is GECO red box. So user is noob.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210823/2ddb1bc0135636a2dda038f775816573.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210823/e3291774bf212ce134b846ed269309f1.jpg)

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 12:43:09 PM
Got my Ruger RPRR for under $500.  Keeps up with KIDD semi autos.  And considering the price diff of $500 vs. $1200, its worth it.  The trigger is bladed, but doesn't bother me.  Mine is set up to be like a tac driver. Got 4x18 Leupold AR scope on her ($700 in the late 1990's).

IDK about availability.
The Ruger is one that kinda interests me. 

I already have a scope.  It's a Vortex PST 4-16 that came off my .308 that has been sitting around doing nothing.  Another reason that has me looking at a .22 lr bolt gun, or rifle in general.  I'd be ok with a semi-auto .22 lr, but leaning toward a bolt gun. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 12:51:15 PM
The Ruger is one that kinda interests me. 

I already have a scope.  It's a Vortex PST 4-16 that came off my .308 that has been sitting around doing nothing.  Another reason that has me looking at a .22 lr bolt gun, or rifle in general.  I'd be ok with a semi-auto .22 lr, but leaning toward a bolt gun.

Put it this way, I want a semi auto.  Even though it's a bench gun, too lazy. The wife is currently building her KIDD 22. It's at Prime Sports right now. Need to sand inside the stock to fit the action.

LMK if you like try the RPRR.  But I will have to clorox wipe the cheap weld and stuff due to CV, so no take offense..  I will even supply 22 CCI SV ammo. AFter ammo testing, it worked the best per price.  I do have some of the good stuff, but only use when friends talking shit.  I was lucky enough to buy a case of 22 ammo just b4 covid.  So get plenty.

With the RPRR, they do make slightly more accurate barrels, but not worth the price IMO. Triggers, guys just removed the blade.  IDk about aftermarket ones, never looked into it. Just don't buy that Ruger 22 trigger that they sell. It's super mushy. The one that comes in the hard to open plastic container.

Ergo is like an AR. safety is the same area and has a rail like 1.  But not like I'm gonna put a light on it.  Some scopes might hit the rail due to the high MOA.  IIRC it's like a 30 MOA riser that's needed.  My scope works fine, no riser needed.  I was able to hit the boar metal target at the silly side easily by holding the MIL dots (about 250yards?).
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 01:01:15 PM
Put it this way, I want a semi auto.  Even though it's a bench gun, too lazy. The wife is currently building her KIDD 22. It's at Prime Sports right now. Need to sand inside the stock to fit the action.

LMK if you like try the RPRR.  But I will have to clorox wipe the cheap weld and stuff due to CV, so no take offense..  I will even supply 22 CCI SV ammo. AFter ammo testing, it worked the best per price.  I do have some of the good stuff, but only use when friends talking shit.  I was lucky enough to buy a case of 22 ammo just b4 covid.  So get plenty.

With the RPRR, they do make slightly more accurate barrels, but not worth the price IMO. Triggers, guys just removed the blade.  IDk about aftermarket ones, never looked into it. Just don't buy that Ruger 22 trigger that they sell. It's super mushy. The one that comes in the hard to open plastic container.

Ergo is like an AR. safety is the same area and has a rail like 1.  But not like I'm gonna put a light on it.  Some scopes might hit the rail due to the high MOA.  IIRC it's like a 30 MOA riser that's needed.  My scope works fine, no riser needed.  I was able to hit the boar metal target at the silly side easily by holding the MIL dots (about 250yards?).
Cheap weld eh?  And clorox wipe what you have to.  Safety first. . .

But seriously, my intent for .22 lr is primarily something just to have.  Not super serious into hyper accuract, at least not yet.  A big part of that is being warned many times that going down that rabbit hole will be $$$.  I mean I am ok with that, just not right now since much of my $$$ is going into bolt action centerfire.  Two guns actually. . . yeah, I bit off quite a bit there, but good to have a carrot out there. 

I also want the .22 lr as a trainer for me for things like reading the wind and such.  Also for just a fun range day plinking on the silly side, as well as many of my buddies kids are showing an interest in shooting.  So figured .22 lr a good teaching gun, as well as easier on the ammo.  I have a bunch of old range fodder that my dad collected over the years.  The "good stuff" in my ammo box are CCi mini-mags.  Beyond that, I have some pretty old Remington and random .22 lr. 

Who knows, maybe I'll get bit by the 22 bug as well. . . There are a few folks I've been following on YT that are into precision centerfire, as well as the .22 lr stuff.  In some cases, the have nicer glass on their .22 lr setups than for their centerfire. . . fawk me. . .  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on August 23, 2021, 01:05:44 PM
Might as well go balls deep with the 22lr as well.

You can set it up so it resembles your 308 or 6.5cm rig.

https://vudoogunworks.com/action/v-22-barreled-actions/
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 01:09:05 PM
For the price, the RPRR can't be beat.  HI price was just under $500 and mainland was like high $300s.  This was preCV.  Plus looks tacticool.  Scary black.

Cheap and keeps up with tac drivers .Had a guy next to me with a magpul backpack 10/22. His grouping was like shotgun at 50 yards.  IDk the power, but prob 8x at the most. Looked like 1 of those cheap scopes that came with a rifle kind.

If you do jump down the rabbit hole, then KIDD build will run you about $1100 minus scope.  Anschulz is forgetaboutit.  Or if you really wanna get serious, build a trainer in a copy like your centerfire. Get 1 guy always at the range who has a 22 cloned to his centerfire. His looks like it cost thousands.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 01:10:52 PM
Might as well go balls deep with the 22lr as well.

You can set it up so it resembles your 308 or 6.5cm rig.

https://vudoogunworks.com/action/v-22-barreled-actions/
Dammit. . . who asked you. . .  ;D

A few of those YTers that I mentioned above have that (or similar) trainer setup with the same chassis, and I think glass, as their centerfire rigs. . . So the same setup, just in .22 lr.  I am trying to avoid that, but maybe inevitable.  Don't fight going to the dark side. . .

Overall, I think the .308 and 6.5 will keep me well occupied.  I hope
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
For the price, the RPRR can't be beat.  HI price was just under $500 and mainland was like high $300s.  This was preCV.  Plus looks tacticool.  Scary black.

Cheap and keeps up with tac drivers .Had a guy next to me with a magpul backpack 10/22. His grouping was like shotgun at 50 yards.  IDk the power, but prob 8x at the most. Looked like 1 of those cheap scopes that came with a rifle kind.

If you do jump down the rabbit hole, then KIDD build will run you about $1100 minus scope.  Anschulz is forgetaboutit.  Or if you really wanna get serious, build a trainer in a copy like your centerfire. Get 1 guy always at the range who has a 22 cloned to his centerfire. His looks like it cost thousands.
Oh be quiet Mr. Cheap Weld. . .  :rofl:

When I was shopping around for the Savage, it was in the $200-250 ish range.  But that was maybe 4-5 years ago. I don't care much for tacticool. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 01:24:09 PM
Oh be quiet Mr. Cheap Weld. . .  :rofl:

I don't care much for tacticool.

Gucci Glock owner...
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 01:36:18 PM
Gucci Glock owner...
That's not because tacticool.  Just regular cool.  8)

I forget how I got to into them.  I already had a Glock 17 ZEV slide with RMR, so I didn't "need".  I recall at one point, I said I would never spend that much for a handgun.  Obviously that was #fakenews

That said, now that I have them, I love them.  If I wasn't being distracted now by bolt action rifles, I would be looking for either a 17 or 34 Salient or Agency. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 01:43:22 PM
That's not because tacticool.  Just regular cool.  8)

I forget how I got to into them.  I already had a Glock 17 ZEV slide with RMR, so I didn't "need".  I recall at one point, I said I would never spend that much for a handgun.  Obviously that was #fakenews

That said, now that I have them, I love them.  If I wasn't being distracted now by bolt action rifles, I would be looking for either a 17 or 34 Salient or Agency.

oooo Agency's are nice. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2021, 01:43:45 PM
https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfireLRT/models.html
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 01:58:39 PM
oooo Agency's are nice.
Yeah.  I've shot their older versions, and I heard that the newer production ones are even better.  They do offer a lot more options now (than before) as well, which is good and bad.  Good to have options, but bad in that too many options. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 02:05:00 PM
https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfireLRT/models.html
You have one?  Like it? 

Been researching the Savage BA offerings.  I had been looking at the Mark II, which seems like starting at $249 MSRP.  They have a lot more models than I recall though. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfireTarget/models.html

iirc, all the modern Ruger bolt actions are based off the Ruger American bolt action.  the bolt and the receiver are very similar in all of them.  stocks, chasis, Ruger has many different models to choose from.  their bolt actions has grown in the past few years

many have got great accuracy from the Ruger american bolt actions.  for the money, they are all very accurate.  i have 3 of them, all very accurate.  getting more and more aftermarket parts for them
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2021, 02:23:18 PM
You have one?  Like it? 

Been researching the Savage BA offerings.  I had been looking at the Mark II, which seems like starting at $249 MSRP.  They have a lot more models than I recall though.

i don't have that one, i have this one
https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfire/specSheets/8334.html

changed to Boyd's wood stock, competition muzzle brake. it has a "heavier" barrel with a slick blued finish.  it doesn't have all the bells and whistles like a Precision rimfire, but mine shoots very accurate.  even the regular American bolt action has an adjustable 3-5lbs trigger which is very good for a stock trigger
you probably want something higher end than what i got

https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfireTarget/models.html
these target models are nice too
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on August 23, 2021, 02:26:27 PM
O.F.
Set it up !

.22lr + .45 day.  :D
I got a Savage Mark II BV laminate stock bolt gun I really enjoy and a PSA dedicated upper which is suprisingly accurate and reliable.
Friend got the Ruger and it drives tacks. Really nice factory trigger.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 02:38:31 PM
i don't have that one, i have this one
https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfire/specSheets/8334.html

changed to Boyd's wood stock, competition muzzle brake. it has a "heavier" barrel with a slick blued finish.  it doesn't have all the bells and whistles like a Precision rimfire, but mine shoots very accurate.  even the regular American bolt action has an adjustable 3-5lbs trigger which is very good for a stock trigger
you probably want something higher end than what i got

https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfireTarget/models.html
these target models are nice too
That's nice! 

Question though.  With all of those upgrades, is there another model that is closer to what you want? 

Reason I ask is that for centerfire, I always assumed I would upgrade.  I was told along the way would've been better to start custom.  That said, that's with the knowledge I now have from shooting the basic rifle first.  So I don't think I could've gotten around it. Well, maybe a custom gun to start with, but I wouldn't really have an idea of what I liked or didn't like at the time. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 02:42:59 PM
O.F.
Set it up !

.22lr + .45 day.  :D
I got a Savage Mark II BV laminate stock bolt gun I really enjoy and a PSA dedicated upper which is suprisingly accurate and reliable.
Friend got the Ruger and it drives tacks. Really nice factory trigger.
Cool, but Inspector not going to be there to "back you up" on the competition.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on August 23, 2021, 02:51:16 PM
The vudoo or rimx is similar to a rem700 or clone action.

I shot 2 vudoo’s and man their sweet and hella accurate with CCI standard velocity.

Can even put an MPA chassis on it.

Just talking about it the black hole is getting deeper and deeper….

Don’t forget to install a lamp post of a barrel to reduce the harmonics….

You can always get a tuner, I’ve seen a lot of 22lr guys at the range with tuners….

Harrell’s tuner
EC tuner

If you buy one for every bolt action maybe you can get a discount
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on August 23, 2021, 02:53:03 PM
For the price, the RPRR can't be beat.  HI price was just under $500 and mainland was like high $300s.  This was preCV.  Plus looks tacticool.  Scary black.

Cheap and keeps up with tac drivers .Had a guy next to me with a magpul backpack 10/22. His grouping was like shotgun at 50 yards.  IDk the power, but prob 8x at the most. Looked like 1 of those cheap scopes that came with a rifle kind.

If you do jump down the rabbit hole, then KIDD build will run you about $1100 minus scope.  Anschulz is forgetaboutit.  Or if you really wanna get serious, build a trainer in a copy like your centerfire. Get 1 guy always at the range who has a 22 cloned to his centerfire. His looks like it cost thousands.

Same guy who has a Mk18 clone has a M40 clone built off a Rem 40X.
Then there's my CLE .22 upper
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on August 23, 2021, 02:57:41 PM
Dammit. . . who asked you. . .  ;D

A few of those YTers that I mentioned above have that (or similar) trainer setup with the same chassis, and I think glass, as their centerfire rigs. . . So the same setup, just in .22 lr.  I am trying to avoid that, but maybe inevitable.  Don't fight going to the dark side. . .

Overall, I think the .308 and 6.5 will keep me well occupied.  I hope
All the money spent on custom rifles and scopes you could buy a Mercedes or BMW…

CZ 457 chassis model doesn’t look too bad. No where near the rem700 clone feeling but should be accurate enough.

PS forget the 22 go 6BR 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2021, 03:18:58 PM
That's nice! 

Question though.  With all of those upgrades, is there another model that is closer to what you want? 

Reason I ask is that for centerfire, I always assumed I would upgrade.  I was told along the way would've been better to start custom.  That said, that's with the knowledge I now have from shooting the basic rifle first.  So I don't think I could've gotten around it. Well, maybe a custom gun to start with, but I wouldn't really have an idea of what I liked or didn't like at the time.

when i got the Ruger 22 bolt action, i wanted a practice gun for my American 308, and the 22 bolt action was very similar to the 308 when they were both factory stock
since then i put a Magpul hunter stock on the 308 and a Boyds wood stock on the 22.  i was very new to the bolt action platform, and i still am bc i dont shoot very much bolt action 308, but i do shoot much more with my 22 bolt action bc ammo is much cheaper
I'm not much of a precision shooter, so for now both those rifles suit me well......for now
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 03:22:48 PM
Carefull with boyd. They no pay shipping if need to return. Mrs.cmo purple stock arrived blue. Told camera changes the color. Had to pay return shipping.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on August 24, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
https://christensenarms.com/ranger-22/
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Tacozfail on August 25, 2021, 07:56:14 PM
Lots of good info here.

Been looking myself and was looking at the CZ 457 AT ONE or the Tikka T1x.  Both in that midrange and supposedly shoot better than I can.  Haven’t seen anyone mention it yet.  I was planning to eventually get a T3x so thought the T1x would be a good trainer but who knows.

The more I read and research the more I realize like everything else, this is going to cost me, a lot, hehe.

Looking forward to seeing what you get.  I’m also following your 6.5 CM adventures, gotta live through you for right now. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 25, 2021, 08:41:23 PM
All the money spent on custom rifles and scopes you could buy a Mercedes or BMW…

CZ 457 chassis model doesn’t look too bad. No where near the rem700 clone feeling but should be accurate enough.

PS forget the 22 go 6BR 
I could get a few more custom rifles with TT or ZComp glass for that amount. 

I was looking into the CZ offerings.  I know a couple of folks who have them, but never shot them. 

I’ll wait to see how your adventures with 6 BR goes first.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 25, 2021, 08:43:40 PM
when i got the Ruger 22 bolt action, i wanted a practice gun for my American 308, and the 22 bolt action was very similar to the 308 when they were both factory stock
since then i put a Magpul hunter stock on the 308 and a Boyds wood stock on the 22.  i was very new to the bolt action platform, and i still am bc i dont shoot very much bolt action 308, but i do shoot much more with my 22 bolt action bc ammo is much cheaper
I'm not much of a precision shooter, so for now both those rifles suit me well......for now
Key words are “for now”.  I started with a decent stock rifle with the intent to shoot it for a while, then get into reloading, and then customize.  I did the reloading and customizing the stock gun, then head first into full on custom rifle.  I’m still new to reloading and precision rifle shooting, but have been encouraged by the progress I’ve made so far.  Been lucky to have folks to show me the ropes and not just learn form YouTube. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 25, 2021, 08:45:45 PM
Lots of good info here.

Been looking myself and was looking at the CZ 457 AT ONE or the Tikka T1x.  Both in that midrange and supposedly shoot better than I can.  Haven’t seen anyone mention it yet.  I was planning to eventually get a T3x so thought the T1x would be a good trainer but who knows.

The more I read and research the more I realize like everything else, this is going to cost me, a lot, hehe.

Looking forward to seeing what you get.  I’m also following your 6.5 CM adventures, gotta live through you for right now.
Haha.  Glad to have folks live vicariously through me.  I’ve heard good things about Tikka centerfire.  Yeah, I certainly wanted to start slow and work my way up in the .308 and 6.5 CM, but that didn’t quite work out that way.  My intent is to stay more basic with the .22lr.  At least the plan. . .
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on August 28, 2021, 08:17:46 PM
best trigger on a .22 in my opinion. Or if you can find a Win 52 or Rem 40x - they are cheaper but the best I think is Anschutz

Winchester 52 if your budget allows. You really need to be 100% realistic in your accuracy expectations. What one may call accurate, another may spit on. What is your realistic budget on ammunition? Shooting CCI SV will only take you so far. Lapua Center X is probably a good choice for most rifles.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 30, 2021, 10:39:23 PM
Winchester 52 if your budget allows. You really need to be 100% realistic in your accuracy expectations. What one may call accurate, another may spit on. What is your realistic budget on ammunition? Shooting CCI SV will only take you so far. Lapua Center X is probably a good choice for most rifles.
Not expecting much for accuracy.  For this gun, it’s a plinking gun to have fun with inexpensive ammo, at least compared to centerfire.  I do see value in putting together a trainer setup for my centerfire rifles, but focusing on centerfire for precision setups.  At least for now in terms of time and money.  Will I eventually wade into the higher precision world of .22 lr?  Maybe, but not really looking to or expecting that for this go around.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on August 31, 2021, 05:55:57 PM
Not expecting much for accuracy.  For this gun, it’s a plinking gun to have fun with inexpensive ammo, at least compared to centerfire.  I do see value in putting together a trainer setup for my centerfire rifles, but focusing on centerfire for precision setups.  At least for now in terms of time and money.  Will I eventually wade into the higher precision world of .22 lr?  Maybe, but not really looking to or expecting that for this go around.

That being said I would look into Tikka, CZ and Savages for BA. They are all proven, affordable and will shoot good (MOAish). 22lr trainers are excellent practice for centerfire. They will show all your flaws that sometimes centerfires can mask especially when shooting 100y with them
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on August 31, 2021, 06:17:37 PM
Same guy who has a Mk18 clone has a M40 clone built off a Rem 40X.
Then there's my CLE .22 upper

He has a MK18 clone? What barrel? I'm guessing he pinned and welded a faux supressor to get the 10ish barrel to 16? That guys has too much money  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 31, 2021, 07:04:47 PM
That being said I would look into Tikka, CZ and Savages for BA. They are all proven, affordable and will shoot good (MOAish). 22lr trainers are excellent practice for centerfire. They will show all your flaws that sometimes centerfires can mask especially when shooting 100y with them
I’ve been looking at the Savages for a while. Heard about CZ’s but never shot them.  Are any of the above available regularly at LGSs?  I mean I can go and shop around, but just wondering.  No need to show more flaws.  I am sure I have plenty.   ;D

That said, the magnifying of things to .22 lr shooting is something that does interest me.  I mean I can certainly afford to venture into the deeper end for ,22 lr rifles, but trying to ease into it a bit more. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on August 31, 2021, 07:12:17 PM
He has a MK18 clone? What barrel? I'm guessing he pinned and welded a faux supressor to get the 10ish barrel to 16? That guys has too much money  ;D ;D ;D

I recall it was a Compass Lake 22LR

He's lurking.... ;D O0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 01, 2021, 06:32:21 PM
I recall it was a Compass Lake 22LR

He's lurking.... ;D O0

I know.  ;D ;D ;D MK18 would be sick!!!
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 01, 2021, 06:38:10 PM
I’ve been looking at the Savages for a while. Heard about CZ’s but never shot them.  Are any of the above available regularly at LGSs?  I mean I can go and shop around, but just wondering.  No need to show more flaws.  I am sure I have plenty.   ;D

That said, the magnifying of things to .22 lr shooting is something that does interest me.  I mean I can certainly afford to venture into the deeper end for ,22 lr rifles, but trying to ease into it a bit more.

Honestly I haven't been to a LGS for awhile. I got one of my Savages from KGS bitd. The other was off this forum.  CZs can change barrels easily if you decide to upgrade and there are many stocks and chassis out there. I do not like the dovetail receivers though.  KRG makes a nice chassis for the Tikka. One of my Savages has a Green Mountain 10/22 barrel installed on it. IT took some finessing to get it just right but I like that one.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 01, 2021, 09:52:55 PM
Honestly I haven't been to a LGS for awhile. I got one of my Savages from KGS bitd. The other was off this forum.  CZs can change barrels easily if you decide to upgrade and there are many stocks and chassis out there. I do not like the dovetail receivers though.  KRG makes a nice chassis for the Tikka. One of my Savages has a Green Mountain 10/22 barrel installed on it. IT took some finessing to get it just right but I like that one.
Savage caught my attention for the price and was readily available, as well as I knew a bunch of folks who owned and shot them.  I tried more than a few of them along the way and always enjoyed shooting them.

I have a couple of MPA chassis for my bolt guns, so would be a good choice if I went with a trainer setup.  I’ve seen some nice CZ builds with the MPA chassis.  That’s another G for the chassis, and would likely make me go with nicer glass, and so on.  And down the rabbit hole I go.  Haha
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on September 01, 2021, 09:58:52 PM
Savage caught my attention for the price and was readily available, as well as I knew a bunch of folks who owned and shot them.  I tried more than a few of them along the way and always enjoyed shooting them.

I have a couple of MPA chassis for my bolt guns, so would be a good choice if I went with a trainer setup.  I’ve seen some nice CZ builds with the MPA chassis.  That’s another G for the chassis, and would likely make me go with nicer glass, and so on.  And down the rabbit hole I go.  Haha

#savage
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 02, 2021, 07:02:16 PM
Savage caught my attention for the price and was readily available, as well as I knew a bunch of folks who owned and shot them.  I tried more than a few of them along the way and always enjoyed shooting them.

I have a couple of MPA chassis for my bolt guns, so would be a good choice if I went with a trainer setup.  I’ve seen some nice CZ builds with the MPA chassis.  That’s another G for the chassis, and would likely make me go with nicer glass, and so on.  And down the rabbit hole I go.  Haha

Yes the expectations really needs to be realistic. There is nothing cheap about "precision" rimfires. I guess what some may call precision can vary though. No matter what, Rimfires are hella fun to shoot.  I shoot somewhere near 10k a year.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 03, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
Yes the expectations really needs to be realistic. There is nothing cheap about "precision" rimfires. I guess what some may call precision can vary though. No matter what, Rimfires are hella fun to shoot.  I shoot somewhere near 10k a year.
Agree.  My expectations for a .22 lr, at least right now is a cheap(ish) ammo plinker.  I do appreciate and sort of want the challenge of shooting for more precision with a .22 lr rifle, but not looking to chase uber precision.  I've been warned many times that the precision rimfires are not cheap.  The more I think about it, I may eventually get there, but just hoping for a "decent precision" rimfire. 

Yup, satisfactory precision is relative.  For me, it does change as I get more experience as well.  At least for my ventures in centerfire.  Actually, it waxes and wanes.  Where I think I'm going good and ready for "next level", then next time I'm like "damn, my shooting is crap".  It's also tied to my relative inexperience in reloading, but overall I do see it as a challenge to improve.  Which is also why I am also hesitant to start down the precision rimfire path, as once I start getting fully engaged, I am prone to going to the extreme.  Which I am trying to avoid.  Haha

The "hella fun to shoot" is true no matter for me.  I don't think I even have 10k ammo on hand.  haha

Little different discussion, but what are your thoughts on uber clear glass for rimfire?  I've seen some folks with some damn nice glass on their rimfire.  While not a glass snob, I consider myself more of one who appreciates nice glass and am prone to spending more on it.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 03, 2021, 06:27:23 PM
Agree.  My expectations for a .22 lr, at least right now is a cheap(ish) ammo plinker.  I do appreciate and sort of want the challenge of shooting for more precision with a .22 lr rifle, but not looking to chase uber precision.  I've been warned many times that the precision rimfires are not cheap.  The more I think about it, I may eventually get there, but just hoping for a "decent precision" rimfire. 

Yup, satisfactory precision is relative.  For me, it does change as I get more experience as well.  At least for my ventures in centerfire.  Actually, it waxes and wanes.  Where I think I'm going good and ready for "next level", then next time I'm like "damn, my shooting is crap".  It's also tied to my relative inexperience in reloading, but overall I do see it as a challenge to improve.  Which is also why I am also hesitant to start down the precision rimfire path, as once I start getting fully engaged, I am prone to going to the extreme.  Which I am trying to avoid.  Haha

The "hella fun to shoot" is true no matter for me.  I don't think I even have 10k ammo on hand.  haha

Little different discussion, but what are your thoughts on uber clear glass for rimfire?  I've seen some folks with some damn nice glass on their rimfire.  While not a glass snob, I consider myself more of one who appreciates nice glass and am prone to spending more on it.   ;D

I have seen some spend more on rimfire glass that on their centerfire precision builds. In rimfires they are shooting much much much smaller targets. 22 Marksman Challenge was shooting toothpicks and match sticks inside of 50m. Sightron 10-50 was very popular for their comps whish isn't that expensive but you get the idea on the magnification. In NRL22X I see many using Nightforce ATACR 7-35s. Rimfires have a tremendous drop at distance. Having a scope with a lot of internal adjustment is very helpful. There was a ELR Rimfire match in which they were engaging targets to 500y. I don't know the dope at 500y but at 400y it's about 70 MOA. There are many LR comps across the mainland. Vuddoo Gun Works has a good video series on YouTube about LR builds. Beware, they ain't playing around.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 03, 2021, 06:29:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3z_k4Y4xHg
Be forewarned, hide your CC before watching. It ain't cheap
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 03, 2021, 06:31:43 PM
Agree.  My expectations for a .22 lr, at least right now is a cheap(ish) ammo plinker.  I do appreciate and sort of want the challenge of shooting for more precision with a .22 lr rifle, but not looking to chase uber precision.  I've been warned many times that the precision rimfires are not cheap.  The more I think about it, I may eventually get there, but just hoping for a "decent precision" rimfire. 

Yup, satisfactory precision is relative.  For me, it does change as I get more experience as well.  At least for my ventures in centerfire.  Actually, it waxes and wanes.  Where I think I'm going good and ready for "next level", then next time I'm like "damn, my shooting is crap".  It's also tied to my relative inexperience in reloading, but overall I do see it as a challenge to improve.  Which is also why I am also hesitant to start down the precision rimfire path, as once I start getting fully engaged, I am prone to going to the extreme.  Which I am trying to avoid.  Haha


If you want to try, I have a few mediorcre builds you can try. They aren't "Gucci" but they'll shoot better than the capabilities of many shooters.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Glasser on September 03, 2021, 06:38:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3z_k4Y4xHg
Be forewarned, hide your CC before watching. It ain't cheap

never tried one, but ....

There are mechanical ways to tune your barrel harmonics on the cheap. And you can dial it in for different ammo.

http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-rimfire-tuners-403

(https://harrellsprec.com/sc_images/products/403_image.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnG5J7w6pYY
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 03, 2021, 07:47:35 PM
never tried one, but ....

There are mechanical ways to tune your barrel harmonics on the cheap. And you can dial it in for different ammo.

http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-rimfire-tuners-403

(https://harrellsprec.com/sc_images/products/403_image.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnG5J7w6pYY

Tuners are good for known distance shooting with the same lot of ammunition. I know several BR shooters that use them. For what I do, they would not work well. It really comes down to the discipline of shooting that you are doing. Far too many shooter look for the next best thing to improve their skills instead of fundamentals IMO.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 04, 2021, 07:16:15 PM
I have seen some spend more on rimfire glass that on their centerfire precision builds. In rimfires they are shooting much much much smaller targets. 22 Marksman Challenge was shooting toothpicks and match sticks inside of 50m. Sightron 10-50 was very popular for their comps whish isn't that expensive but you get the idea on the magnification. In NRL22X I see many using Nightforce ATACR 7-35s. Rimfires have a tremendous drop at distance. Having a scope with a lot of internal adjustment is very helpful. There was a ELR Rimfire match in which they were engaging targets to 500y. I don't know the dope at 500y but at 400y it's about 70 MOA. There are many LR comps across the mainland. Vuddoo Gun Works has a good video series on YouTube about LR builds. Beware, they ain't playing around.
I have the 7-35 ATACR on my .308.  It’s my first high(er) end scope and it’s amazing.  Was easily spotting for a buddy when shooting for out to 1000 yards.  I’m likely going with a ZCO for the 6.5, but have seen some videos with folks having the same ZCO on their precision 22s.  The internal adjustment range and ability to zoom into a tiny target like a match stick head makes sense. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 04, 2021, 07:17:49 PM
If you want to try, I have a few mediorcre builds you can try. They aren't "Gucci" but they'll shoot better than the capabilities of many shooters.
Thank you for the offer.  I’ll hopefully get back to reloading and shooting .308 again soon.  Maybe we can get a common range day.  Then again, handling and shooting Gucci guns sometimes ends up me having “the wants”.   :shake:

  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on September 05, 2021, 08:55:10 PM
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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 05, 2021, 09:10:13 PM
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Oh the Anschutz in the XLR chassis is something I've had my eye on for a bit. I'm just waiting for Chapo to sell me his Anschutz/Kelby Trainer.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 07, 2021, 07:30:02 AM
What would the advantage be of say going with a complete gun from Anschutz as opposed to a custom build?

I would think a complete gun from (what I assume is) a very reputable and well known company carries a lot of value/weight.  However, one the flip side, I would think if one is spending that kind of money, they would want to get the exact setup they want, including chassis, barrel, etc.  Or maybe "that kind of money" isn't scratching the surface yet for .22 lr precision rifles.   :shake:

Don't see myself going anywhere near that realm any time soon, but was wondering.  For now, I'm saving up, or more like trying to space out larger purchases just before ordering the finishing touches to my bolt gun.  The glass is the main one, but the components like scope mount, bipod and attachments, we well as a better range finder all add up. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: oldfart on September 07, 2021, 08:13:13 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5CcyRqt/22flips.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Just for fun....
Pinay with winchester 52A's
(pic shot just before WW2)
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Actually those might be Win 52B...not the A version.
The barrel band threw me off.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on September 07, 2021, 05:58:03 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5CcyRqt/22flips.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Just for fun....
Pinay with winchester 52A's
(pic shot just before WW2)

Actual TRAINING with those "collectable" Win 52s!  :shaka: It would be difficult to shoot such a fine collectable rifle such as a Winchester 52. So were the As just skinnier barrels than the Ds? Or was it the absence of a barrel band on the Ds?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 07, 2021, 07:42:00 PM
What would the advantage be of say going with a complete gun from Anschutz as opposed to a custom build?

I would think a complete gun from (what I assume is) a very reputable and well known company carries a lot of value/weight.  However, one the flip side, I would think if one is spending that kind of money, they would want to get the exact setup they want, including chassis, barrel, etc.  Or maybe "that kind of money" isn't scratching the surface yet for .22 lr precision rifles.   :shake:

Don't see myself going anywhere near that realm any time soon, but was wondering.  For now, I'm saving up, or more like trying to space out larger purchases just before ordering the finishing touches to my bolt gun.  The glass is the main one, but the components like scope mount, bipod and attachments, we well as a better range finder all add up.

Zermatt Arms RimX receiver is what you want. You can build exactly what you want that is if you're building a PRS style build. A BR rifle would be best  with a Stiller 2500X, Turbo, Falcon, etc.... action built by a reputable gunsmith like Calfee IMO. The experienced rimfire specific gunsmiths have barrels, actions, etc that they prefer. The turn around time will be long. Joe Cachon if going semi auto rimfire. The rabbit hole is deep. Like I said, there is nothing cheap about precision rimfire just like LR and ELR shooting.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 07, 2021, 07:43:59 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5CcyRqt/22flips.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Just for fun....
Pinay with winchester 52A's
(pic shot just before WW2)

I have a huge soft spot for 52s, the bank account can not support the addiction though.  ;)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 07, 2021, 07:49:18 PM
What would the advantage be of say going with a complete gun from Anschutz as opposed to a custom build?

I would think a complete gun from (what I assume is) a very reputable and well known company carries a lot of value/weight.  However, one the flip side, I would think if one is spending that kind of money, they would want to get the exact setup they want, including chassis, barrel, etc.  Or maybe "that kind of money" isn't scratching the surface yet for .22 lr precision rifles.   :shake:

Don't see myself going anywhere near that realm any time soon, but was wondering.  For now, I'm saving up, or more like trying to space out larger purchases just before ordering the finishing touches to my bolt gun.  The glass is the main one, but the components like scope mount, bipod and attachments, we well as a better range finder all add up.

I'll add, if you are buying let's say a Anschutz, that is a quality rifle. I feel for the money of the higher end stuff, you could probably have a custom built for the same price. I know guys that did both
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 07, 2021, 08:11:33 PM
Zermatt Arms RimX receiver is what you want. You can build exactly what you want that is if you're building a PRS style build. A BR rifle would be best  with a Stiller 2500X, Turbo, Falcon, etc.... action built by a reputable gunsmith like Calfee IMO. The experienced rimfire specific gunsmiths have barrels, actions, etc that they prefer. The turn around time will be long. Joe Cachon if going semi auto rimfire. The rabbit hole is deep. Like I said, there is nothing cheap about precision rimfire just like LR and ELR shooting.
I’m gonna start ignoring your posts.  Haha. Totally kidding. Great info. Thankfully I really can’t, or shouldn’t be delving into that realm. Shouldn’t… haha

That said, I’m also the type to talk myself into the higher end once I do get serious. Not really looking for any style, but PRS-ish is what I am going for with center fire.

I'll add, if you are buying let's say a Anschutz, that is a quality rifle. I feel for the money of the higher end stuff, you could probably have a custom built for the same price. I know guys that did both
Good to know. This is def one arena where I don’t know jack, just that shooting .22 lr rifles are fun.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 07, 2021, 09:03:24 PM
I’m gonna start ignoring your posts.

Everyone ignores me as they should.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: I know a little about the rimfire game though.....
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 08, 2021, 07:50:16 AM
Everyone ignores me as they should.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: I know a little about the rimfire game though.....
I don't ignore you.  Had seen your posts about .22 lr rifle shooting before.  Always happy to learn from experienced folks.   :shaka:

My shooting interests tends to wax and wane with the usual constant being pistol shooting.  Have long been interested in .22 lr rifle, but just never got around to jumping in. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 08, 2021, 08:30:59 AM
I don't ignore you.  Had seen your posts about .22 lr rifle shooting before.  Always happy to learn from experienced folks.   :shaka:

My shooting interests tends to wax and wane with the usual constant being pistol shooting.  Have long been interested in .22 lr rifle, but just never got around to jumping in.

Bushido is the 22 master. He helped me out lots when I 1st got 1.

For me, 22 is way more challenging, esp at 100rds.  Wind makes a diff, compared to a 308 where at 100yrds, the wind make little difference.  Even at 50 yards, I've noticed the wind makes a diff.  So because we don't have easy access to a 500+ yard range, 22 would be the way to go if you like the challenge of environmental factors when shooting.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 08, 2021, 08:45:46 AM
Bushido is the 22 master. He helped me out lots when I 1st got 1.

For me, 22 is way more challenging, esp at 100rds.  Wind makes a diff, compared to a 308 where at 100yrds, the wind make little difference.  Even at 50 yards, I've noticed the wind makes a diff.  So because we don't have easy access to a 500+ yard range, 22 would be the way to go if you like the challenge of environmental factors when shooting.
Yeah, I recall seeing that.  Good stuff.  Hope you can help others in the future, which you already do with HDF stuff.  Eventually shooting matches? 

The magnification of things from centerfire is an aspect of 22 rifles that I do want.  At least to a certain extent for now.  My initial interest in 22 rifle is cheaper plinking shooting, particularly at the silhouette range for those tiny steel targets/pieces.  For centerfire, I've noticed that 300-600 ish is "relatively" straight forward.  Then the 1000 range is a challenge.  Unfortunately, I currently don't have opportunity that often to shoot in the 600-1000 yard gap.  That said, I would think even 200 yards for 22 rifles would be a VERY good challenge for me.  Heck, even 100 yards will be a challenge. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on September 08, 2021, 09:37:50 AM
Anschutz triggers are the best
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on September 08, 2021, 12:22:57 PM
  My initial interest in 22 rifle is cheaper plinking shooting, particularly at the silhouette range for those tiny steel targets/pieces. 

I originally got my Ruger American 22LR for a practice gun for my Ruger American 308.  and to replace my 10/22 that I gave to my nephew
I shoot regularly at the silhouette side, and the American 22LR shoots very well there.  can consistently hit the small targets at 100m using the Primary Arms 22LR scope which is a fixed 6x magnification with ACSS reticle.  so i use the BDC and wind hold overs if needed on the scope to hit targets at 75m and 100m. it is zero'd at 50, then i line up target at 75m at the bottom of the circle on the ACSS reticle, or the first hash mark on the scope for targets at 100m.
it's an effective and inexpensive setup for the silhouette range.  I'm realistic.  I rarely shoot longer than 100 yards/meters, and when i do go longer I'll usually use my 308 bolt gun or AR10
triggers on all Ruger Americans are adjustable 3-5 lbs.  I turned down the trigger on all my Americans to 3 lbs.  its a crisp trigger and short travel, really nice for a factory stock trigger
like cars, i like to modify/upgrade my firearms.  just cant leave them alone.  I'll do more mods on some guns, less on others.  classic collectable guns, i wont do much, maybe change stock and sights but i dont want to modify those too much.  on the Ruger American i dont mind modding as much as i see a need for
all my 22's are basically plinkers, so i haven't invested too much $$$ in them. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 08, 2021, 12:40:31 PM
I originally got my Ruger American 22LR for a practice gun for my Ruger American 308.  and to replace my 10/22 that I gave to my nephew
I shoot regularly at the silhouette side, and the American 22LR shoots very well there.  can consistently hit the small targets at 100m using the Primary Arms 22LR scope which is a fixed 6x magnification with ACSS reticle.  so i use the BDC and wind hold overs if needed on the scope to hit targets at 75m and 100m. it is zero'd at 50, then i line up target at 75m at the bottom of the circle on the ACSS reticle, or the first hash mark on the scope for targets at 100m.
it's an effective and inexpensive setup for the silhouette range.  I'm realistic.  I rarely shoot longer than 100 yards/meters, and when i do go longer I'll usually use my 308 bolt gun or AR10
triggers on all Ruger Americans are adjustable 3-5 lbs.  I turned down the trigger on all my Americans to 3 lbs.  its a crisp trigger and short travel, really nice for a factory stock trigger
like cars, i like to modify/upgrade my firearms.  just cant leave them alone.  I'll do more mods on some guns, less on others.  classic collectable guns, i wont do much, maybe change stock and sights but i dont want to modify those too much.  on the Ruger American i dont mind modding as much as i see a need for
all my 22's are basically plinkers, so i haven't invested too much $$$ in them.
Cool.  Sounds like I'm about the same interest and "speed".  I have my Vortex 4-16 Viper PST that was originally on my Rem 700 that is "needing" a rifle, so likely candidate for the 22.  I absolutely love shooting steel, but don't think they would take too kindly with me shooting my .308 on the silhouette range.   ;D

So what?  When I get my 22 rifle, challenge?   O0  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on September 08, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Cool.  Sounds like I'm about the same interest and "speed".  I have my Vortex 4-16 Viper PST that was originally on my Rem 700 that is "needing" a rifle, so likely candidate for the 22.  I absolutely love shooting steel, but don't think they would take too kindly with me shooting my .308 on the silhouette range.   ;D

So what?  When I get my 22 rifle, challenge?   O0  :rofl:

sure.  as long as you dont get an Anschutz rifle with a NF scope.  that wouldn't be fair.   :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 08, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
sure.  as long as you dont get an Anschutz rifle with a NF scope.  that wouldn't be fair.   :shaka:
Don't tempt me.  Haha

No promises not to, but don't see that in the foreseeable future.  Unless say I win the lotto or something. 

I just put in my order for the glass for my .308, so pause on spending for a bit for those larger purchases.  But, I did refi recently, so no payment for this month.  :hmm:   :crazy:  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 08, 2021, 04:45:13 PM
But, I did refi recently, so no payment for this month.  :hmm:   :crazy:  :rofl:

More than enough to buy better than average 22 and glass.  RPRR was about $400 preCV, wife got it for my bday. We went to Prime and Henry came out with it and asked how I liked it.  I said that, that was the one I was looking at and he said "take it, it's yours. Mrs.CMO paid for it".

The scope I got was given to my by my uncle who had it for years and never used it. Receipt from Young Guns dated 1990's said $700. 

Mrs. CMO's Vortex Crossfire that she's going to put on her 22 was about $300 from Optics Planet.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on September 08, 2021, 06:04:52 PM
Don't tempt me.  Haha

No promises not to, but don't see that in the foreseeable future.  Unless say I win the lotto or something. 

I just put in my order for the glass for my .308, so pause on spending for a bit for those larger purchases.  But, I did refi recently, so no payment for this month.  :hmm:   :crazy:  :rofl:
I tried a Kahles and man that glass is nice. It’s built like a tank too.

Always remember not to try something so nice that way you won’t know what you’re missing.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 08, 2021, 06:17:30 PM
More than enough to buy better than average 22 and glass.  RPRR was about $400 preCV, wife got it for my bday. We went to Prime and Henry came out with it and asked how I liked it.  I said that, that was the one I was looking at and he said "take it, it's yours. Mrs.CMO paid for it".

The scope I got was given to my by my uncle who had it for years and never used it. Receipt from Young Guns dated 1990's said $700. 

Mrs. CMO's Vortex Crossfire that she's going to put on her 22 was about $300 from Optics Planet.
Yeah, I could. But it’s already likely going to gearing up for loading 6.5.  :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 08, 2021, 06:22:20 PM
I tried a Kahles and man that glass is nice. It’s built like a tank too.

Always remember not to try something so nice that way you won’t know what you’re missing.
I already have a NF on my current .308. It was more than I wanted to spend when I first started the search. I started in the Vortex Razor HD series, considered Kahles as well. Considered ZCO and TT, but ended up with NF.

I have a NF ATACR 1-8 on an AR that folks I’ve shot with ended up getting one after shooting with mine. It’s contagious.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on September 08, 2021, 07:01:02 PM
there's also the tube gun route
https://eliseorifles.wordpress.com/ (https://eliseorifles.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 08, 2021, 07:46:05 PM
It's been said that shooting 100 with a 22lr is similar to shooting centerfire at 400, that is not my experience at all. 600 is much easier with a centerfire than shooting 100 with a 22lr IME especially at KHSC. The holds are definitely different a full value wind with a centerfire is a much flatter hold, rimfire needs to add or subtract elevation as well.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 08, 2021, 07:48:08 PM
Bushido is the 22 master. He helped me out lots when I 1st got 1.

Definitely not a master. Been focusing my energy on a different discipline of shooting lately. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 08, 2021, 07:53:06 PM
The guy with the 40X conversion and MK!8 clone is master!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 09, 2021, 07:41:26 AM
there's also the tube gun route
https://eliseorifles.wordpress.com/ (https://eliseorifles.wordpress.com/)
Those targets were quite impressive.  Pricing not that bad either. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on September 09, 2021, 07:44:43 AM
The guy with the 40X conversion and MK!8 clone is master!!  :thumbsup:

Think its setup as a mk12 spr
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 09, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
It's been said that shooting 100 with a 22lr is similar to shooting centerfire at 400, that is not my experience at all. 600 is much easier with a centerfire than shooting 100 with a 22lr IME especially at KHSC. The holds are definitely different a full value wind with a centerfire is a much flatter hold, rimfire needs to add or subtract elevation as well.
Interesting.  I have mostly shot 22lr at 50 yards.  Occasionally shot my buddy's 10/22 takedown at 100 and had "minute of mango" type accuracy, but his scope is crap and he takes his scope off and puts it back on often and isn't careful on how he does it. 

22lr at 100 about equal to 400-600 centerfire is interesting and I think excellent challenge.  I think 500-600 is about where I really have to buckle down with .308.  I could use a lot of work with wind reading and calls.  I would say first shot hits for me in that range is lucky.  It's often I have a read on previous miss or someone else shooting first. 

What makes KHSC more challenging in your opinion?  The winds?  I've noticed many times that the winds are shifty or can fishtail often.  Usually don't mind much shooting 5.56 or .308, but I have noticed. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 09, 2021, 12:26:43 PM
The wind at KHSC can be nuts. (Rifle side)
Playing the gusts can be tricky.
I’ve seen spotting scopes, etc blow off of tables.
I now tie my cardboard to my stand over and above stapling because it flew away one time and ended up behind the pistol range wall.

Woulda been day over but I commando sprinted during cease fire target change and retrieved it.
This was in my early days.
Found out how loud the bullhorn could get and got my ass handed to me when I returned to the line. (Rightfully so.)
Pistol side wasn’t on cease fire.

I love shooting .22 bolt or AR.
But I love 17HMR even more.
Wanna play the wind? Shoot 20 grain 17s at 2500 FPS.

But there’s just a weird beauty to the .22 LR.
Pure concentration. Pure enjoyment.
In my opinion.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 09, 2021, 12:48:01 PM
The wind at KHSC can be nuts. (Rifle side)
Playing the gusts can be tricky.
I’ve seen spotting scopes, etc blow off of tables.
I now tie my cardboard to my stand over and above stapling because it flew away one time and ended up behind the pistol range wall.

Woulda been day over but I commando sprinted during cease fire target change and retrieved it.
This was in my early days.
Found out how loud the bullhorn could get and got my ass handed to me when I returned to the line. (Rightfully so.)
Pistol side wasn’t on cease fire.

I love shooting .22 bolt or AR.
But I love 17HMR even more.
Wanna play the wind? Shoot 20 grain 17s at 2500 FPS.

But there’s just a weird beauty to the .22 LR.
Pure concentration. Pure enjoyment.
In my opinion.
Re: wind at KHSC, yeah.  I have been there one some very windy days.  Some where the winds seemed to swirl, change directions, etc.  I now usually staple even the sticky-back targets to the cardboard.  Nothing worse than getting all setup and see the target flapping in the wind, and eventually fly off the cardboard.   :grrr:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 10, 2021, 06:58:39 AM
https://ultimatereloader.com/2021/08/05/tested-anschutz-1710-competition-22lr/

Quote
TESTED: Anschutz 1710 Competition 22LR
Anschutz has a long and highly regarded track record when it comes to accurate 22LR. They have jumped into the skyrocketing market of precision 22’s with the 1710 Competition Heavy Barrel. This rifle comes in a fully adjustable XLR Chassis ready to take to an NRL22 or NRL22X match! Here we give our thoughts and test results.

Watched this video last night.  Not gonna lie, for the price, features, and how it shoots (other videos as well), in interested.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: DocMercy on September 11, 2021, 01:20:13 PM
Been lookin' for a .22 LR for several weeks now, asking some dealers on Oahu what they have in stock or could order. They delay has forced me to watch a lot of videos on youtube. This one features two guys downing a six pack (not what you tink).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw779WoR5kE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw779WoR5kE)

My conclusion is that I should get a Vudoo, and not waste time "building" up to an ultimate weapon using practice rifles. The best rifle is no more expensive than a Fender Masterbuilt or Gibson Murphy Lab guitar. Also, rifles are a damn sight cheaper than a used Tesla. More worried about which scope to buy because you can be a laughing stock at KHSC with a completely mismatched rifle setup.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on September 11, 2021, 01:49:21 PM
another alternative are.22 PCP airguns. maybe cheaper given the ammo situation
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on September 11, 2021, 03:40:15 PM
The launcher is the cheap part...its feeding it after that will be costly.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 12, 2021, 12:10:21 AM
Precision at Kokohead is available 8 days a year. ( I made that number up. Dead wind.)
Other than that it’s play the wind and worse, the gusts.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 12, 2021, 07:04:23 AM
Think its setup as a mk12 spr

That makes sense. I think I've seen that one. MK18 would be tricky in HI
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: WTF?Shane on September 13, 2021, 09:43:20 AM
That makes sense. I think I've seen that one. MK18 would be tricky in HI

Last time I talked to him, he showed me a picture of the Block II M4A1 trainer he put together with a CLE 22LR kit.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on September 13, 2021, 12:48:08 PM
This post is a real can of worms. Love it.

If you have the cash then sure, Vudoo is the dream. But I don't think you'll see $3500 more at Koko Head than you would with a $500 rifle (assuming you also buy a Rolls Royce scope). That wind is relentless.

Allow me to share what I bought myself earlier this year and is marking me very happy: Savage Mark II TR. I put a big cheap scope on it (with EGW 20MOA rail). The Apachee trigger I put in is truly a jewel. If you own a Savage Mark II, Model 93, B22 or B17 it will be the best $74 you ever spent on a rifle. (https://www.ebay.com/usr/apacheetriggerkit?_trksid=p2047675.l2559)

If I had more cash to spend I might have gone for a fancy CZ. A rifle in a chassis is compelling.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 13, 2021, 06:56:32 PM
The launcher is the cheap part...its feeding it after that will be costly.
That’s a lesson I learned very early on with handguns and my ARs.  Feeding the guns are the expensive part, especially if one competes or takes firearms classes.  I’ve learned more about that as well for reloading, where loading my own doesn’t make ammo any less expensive, at least for me.  I enjoy it, so just another thing to budget for.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 13, 2021, 06:58:21 PM
This post is a real can of worms. Love it.

If you have the cash then sure, Vudoo is the dream. But I don't think you'll see $3500 more at Koko Head than you would with a $500 rifle (assuming you also buy a Rolls Royce scope). That wind is relentless.

Allow me to share what I bought myself earlier this year and is marking me very happy: Savage Mark II TR. I put a big cheap scope on it (with EGW 20MOA rail). The Apachee trigger I put in is truly a jewel. If you own a Savage Mark II, Model 93, B22 or B17 it will be the best $74 you ever spent on a rifle. (https://www.ebay.com/usr/apacheetriggerkit?_trksid=p2047675.l2559)

If I had more cash to spend I might have gone for a fancy CZ. A rifle in a chassis is compelling.
I was initially envisioning a Savage Mark II or similar, but I got distracted so many times and didn’t end up with one.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 13, 2021, 10:58:25 PM
I’m eyeing that trigger for my MK II

And .22. Quality of ammo is understated.
Crap is crap. Except for plinking.
If you get a gun can shoot Winchester white box or federal bulk tight. She’s a keeper.
I’ve never met her yet.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 14, 2021, 08:45:43 AM
I’m eyeing that trigger for my MK II

And .22. Quality of ammo is understated.
Crap is crap. Except for plinking.
If you get a gun can shoot Winchester white box or federal bulk tight. She’s a keeper.
I’ve never met her yet.

This was the fun part, testing the various ammo.  Pain in the ass to drive to various LGS though.  Went to SEC, WGS, Young Guns, Prime Sports to get ammo.  This is where I learned how expensive 22 ammo can be.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 14, 2021, 01:56:50 PM
I’m eyeing that trigger for my MK II

And .22. Quality of ammo is understated.
Crap is crap. Except for plinking.
If you get a gun can shoot Winchester white box or federal bulk tight. She’s a keeper.
I’ve never met her yet.
What trigger?  I heard, or more like vaguely remember, something about either Savage triggers are a pain to swap out or maybe the replacements options are limited. 

This was the fun part, testing the various ammo.  Pain in the ass to drive to various LGS though.  Went to SEC, WGS, Young Guns, Prime Sports to get ammo.  This is where I learned how expensive 22 ammo can be.
I don't have much.  I have a bunch of older ammo that my dad compiled over the years, so have a variety of ammo to test along the way. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 14, 2021, 05:53:13 PM
What trigger?  I heard, or more like vaguely remember, something about either Savage triggers are a pain to swap out or maybe the replacements options are limited. 
I don't have much.  I have a bunch of older ammo that my dad compiled over the years, so have a variety of ammo to test along the way. 

That Apache trigger kit mentioned by tommynauw above.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1133643

It looks like minimalist parts adjustment for the trigger.
I like the adjustable trigger already though.
I lightened one too much once and didn’t like it. No back wall at all. Threw me off.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 16, 2021, 08:57:41 AM
That Apache trigger kit mentioned by tommynauw above.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1133643

It looks like minimalist parts adjustment for the trigger.
I like the adjustable trigger already though.
I lightened one too much once and didn’t like it. No back wall at all. Threw me off.
What do you consider too much/light?

Just interesting perspective.  I was so used to shooting ARs, where my triggers were in the 4+ lb range.  When I started getting back into shooting bolt action, I trended down to the 1lb range.  That's what I've now gotten used to.  However, when a couple of buddies shot my rifle in the ~1lb trigger pull configuration, they both commented on how light the trigger is.  I now think I may try even lighter.  Not the 1 oz some of the F-Class folks have, but lighter than 1lb. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 16, 2021, 09:01:09 AM
What do you consider too much/light?

Just interesting perspective.  I was so used to shooting ARs, where my triggers were in the 4+ lb range.  When I started getting back into shooting bolt action, I trended down to the 1lb range.  That's what I've now gotten used to.  However, when a couple of buddies shot my rifle in the ~1lb trigger pull configuration, they both commented on how light the trigger is.  I now think I may try even lighter.  Not the 1 oz some of the F-Class folks have, but lighter than 1lb.

I have a friend that if you pound the table, the rifle would go off. IMO, even though a bench gun, that's too light.  But to each their own, we aren't like MA that requires a 10lb trigger.

The RPRR comes with a bladed trigger, which is unnecessary for a bench gun.  There are mods to remove the blade, but I've been too lazy and it doesn't bother me that much because of the price of the rifle and I'm not doing competitions with it.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 16, 2021, 09:22:24 AM
I have a friend that if you pound the table, the rifle would go off. IMO, even though a bench gun, that's too light.  But to each their own, we aren't like MA that requires a 10lb trigger.
Pound the table?  I've shot triggers where if I sneezed when I had the trigger prepped, it would go off.  I'm exaggerating, but not by much.
Super light was one of my first experiences shooting bolt action.  It was a strange two stage trigger, where there were two bars/levers (best I can remember).  Anyways, the second/last was glass, but super light! 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 16, 2021, 09:52:50 AM
I have no idea what pounds mine are at but I like it where you can feel the wall just before the break. Not much pressure on the break but you can feel the wall.
But probably around 2 1/2 pounds.
Love the Savages, and all kinds now, have the adjustable trigger.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 16, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
I have no idea what pounds mine are at but I like it where you can feel the wall just before the break. Not much pressure on the break but you can feel the wall.
But probably around 2 1/2 pounds.
Love the Savages, and all kinds now, have the adjustable trigger.
1-stage or 2-stage?  Sounds like 2, or a "creepy" 1-stage.  I personally like 2-stage for rifles, particularly for precision.  I'm liking them for AR all around as well. 

Anyways, 2.5# isn't heavy.  I have had triggers that weren't that consistent and pull gauges had a decent range.  I think I am at around 1.0-1.2# for my .308.  That trigger I think is capable down to 8 oz.  The trigger on my new .308 will be adjustable down to 4 oz, but I don't envision I will adjust it that low.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 18, 2021, 07:27:13 PM
"Light" triggers can gain you quicker accuracy improvements. You will get to the point where you will plateau and can't improve anymore. IMO they mask poor trigger pulls. Shoot a factory stock striker fired pistol and that will tell you tons about your trigger pull. Sadly most don't really want to know the truth. Jus sayin'
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 18, 2021, 07:29:13 PM
I have a friend that if you pound the table, the rifle would go off. IMO, even though a bench gun, that's too light.  But to each their own, we aren't like MA that requires a 10lb trigger.

The RPRR comes with a bladed trigger, which is unnecessary for a bench gun.  There are mods to remove the blade, but I've been too lazy and it doesn't bother me that much because of the price of the rifle and I'm not doing competitions with it.

Those are my boiz!!  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: Yah that's too light for me
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 18, 2021, 07:31:19 PM
Last time I talked to him, he showed me a picture of the Block II M4A1 trainer he put together with a CLE 22LR kit.

He's a good guy and a GREAT shooter!!! He definitely puts in the work and practice.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 18, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
"Light" triggers can gain you quicker accuracy improvements. You will get to the point where you will plateau and can't improve anymore. IMO they mask poor trigger pulls. Shoot a factory stock striker fired pistol and that will tell you tons about your trigger pull. Sadly most don't really want to know the truth. Jus sayin'
Interesting comparison to stock striker triggers.  Will keep that in mind as I get back into shooting precision, particularly my bolt guns.  I took a break from shooting my Rem 700, but only had the stock trigger until a little over a year ago.  I had been shooting handguns and ARs in various classes and competition for over a decade and with stock triggers for the majority of that.  USGI for ARs and stock Glock triggers.  I went to Geissele for my ARs in the past few years and upgraded trigger for my Glock around the same time with my Gucci Glocks.  I also have a CZ Shadow with a very crisp SA trigger, but I had to get used to shooting the longer and heavier DA trigger.  Overall, I think the key there was that I used to spend a lot of time on working on my handgun trigger manipulation and a lot of dry fire and ball and dummy drills live fire.  I haven’t done much dry fire with my bolt action. 

A trusted instructor and friend does advocate for shooting with stock triggers before going to the “high speed” triggers.  I stuck with stock for such a long time for the mindset of learning to shoot stock stuff will be better off in the long run, as well as Geissele triggers are pricey. 

I can say that I’m at least a decent shot with stock Glock and AR triggers.  When my gunsmith set my trigger to about 1.5# after the upgrade, I got used to that.  That and my friends on the mainland who shoot PRS and are pretty competitive, most of them shoot in the lighter end of the spectrum.  I think all around the 1# range, so I stayed in that same general range. 

I think some folks try lighter with gritty or mushy factory triggers to try to “fix” .  The 2-stage TriggerTechs I’ve been shooting are pretty crisp. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 18, 2021, 09:11:02 PM
A trusted instructor and friend does advocate for shooting with stock triggers before going to the “high speed” triggers.  I stuck with stock for such a long time for the mindset of learning to shoot stock stuff will be better off in the long run, as well as Geissele triggers are pricey. 

I can say that I’m at least a decent shot with stock Glock and AR triggers.  When my gunsmith set my trigger to about 1.5# after the upgrade, I got used to that.  That and my friends on the mainland who shoot PRS and are pretty competitive, most of them shoot in the lighter end of the spectrum.  I think all around the 1# range, so I stayed in that same general range. 

Smart instructor.

IMO many of the current PRS shooters exhibit some very poor trigger control. They have gone to very low recoil 6mm with muzzle brakes and heavy rifles to achieve performance. Don't even get me started on the many bags they use. Frank Galli has a podcast where he talks about the "new PRS shooters" being good at free throws but they aren't good basketball players. I agree 100%. That is exactly what they are doing, they are making the task easier, they aren't making themselves better.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 18, 2021, 09:30:15 PM
Smart instructor.

IMO many of the current PRS shooters exhibit some very poor trigger control. They have gone to very low recoil 6mm with muzzle brakes and heavy rifles to achieve performance. Don't even get me started on the many bags they use. Frank Galli has a podcast where he talks about the "new PRS shooters" being good at free throws but they aren't good basketball players. I agree 100%. That is exactly what they are doing, they are making the task easier, they aren't making themselves better.
On my buddies who shoot PRS, I can see what you’re saying.  I don’t intend on shooting PRS, but that style is about the closest to my interests overall. I’ve had conversations with some other shooting buddies on balance of say a more stabile shooting support/position for when testing loads, but I am more of the mindset of keeping things closer to how I’ll shoot normally. 

On the trigger pull, never tried heavier as when I started shooting for more precision, the gun was setup in the 1.5# range and liked it.  Never thought to change.  Not really emulating any style, but mostly blindly following not knowing better.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 18, 2021, 10:00:23 PM
On my buddies who shoot PRS, I can see what you’re saying.  I don’t intend on shooting PRS, but that style is about the closest to my interests overall. I’ve had conversations with some other shooting buddies on balance of say a more stabile shooting support/position for when testing loads, but I am more of the mindset of keeping things closer to how I’ll shoot normally. 

On the trigger pull, never tried heavier as when I started shooting for more precision, the gun was setup in the 1.5# range and liked it.  Never thought to change.  Not really emulating any style, but mostly blindly following not knowing better.

I too like PRS style shooting. Seeing how the sport is evolving though, no thanks. Rifles Only is another one that's keeping it real. Very few shooters want to get better by putting in the work, they want to make everything to be easier. Rifles Only is keeping it real. Fundamentals, building a solid position with what you have. How you shoot a 22lr is how you should shoot a 338LM and everything in between IMO. Practice make permanent. PERFECT practice makes perfect.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 19, 2021, 01:04:00 AM
This looks super fun

CZ vs Vudoo

https://youtu.be/Gw779WoR5kE
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on September 22, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDJk0t-5frM
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 22, 2021, 08:24:01 AM
SNIP

Thanks!  I've been watching some of his videos.  I watched the one where he shot the Vudoo. 

I've been watching a lot of videos from Pursuit of Accuracy (the one posted above). 

I've been looking at Vudoo barreled action closer lately.  Don't THINK I will make that leap, but I've been considering it. . .
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 22, 2021, 07:02:14 PM
If rimfire precision is what you are after, 22 Plinkster is not at all your guy. Since you mentioned you lean towards PRS style shooting and looking into rimfire, look at Long Range Shooters of Utah channel on YouTube and search their early 22lr Marksman Challenge videos. Rodney Downs started it but work and politics forced him to stop. Bryce has some good videos as well. NRL22 is fun but 100y max. There's a group in Kentucky that push comps to 50o as does Nevada.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 22, 2021, 07:32:08 PM
500. That’s crazy. Even 300.
That’s a punt with drop never mind the wind.
Hope scope got plenty adjustment.
Or Kentucky windage.
Would be fun though.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 22, 2021, 07:50:59 PM
If rimfire precision is what you are after, 22 Plinkster is not at all your guy. Since you mentioned you lean towards PRS style shooting and looking into rimfire, look at Long Range Shooters of Utah channel on YouTube and search their early 22lr Marksman Challenge videos. Rodney Downs started it but work and politics forced him to stop. Bryce has some good videos as well. NRL22 is fun but 100y max. There's a group in Kentucky that push comps to 50o as does Nevada.
Thanks.  I just watched Plinkster’s video when I was searching for Vudoo.  The Pursuit of Accuracy channel was interesting because of the tests of the Vudoo and CZ.  Will check those that you mentioned.  I think I watched a couple from the Long Range Shooters of Utah. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on September 23, 2021, 02:18:17 PM
Before we start lobbing lead at 300+ yards think about trying the monthly silhouette match at Koko Head. Next one is 10/3. 22LR rifles off hand, no slings no rests. Or if you have a 22 pistol you can shoot Creedmoor.

More info here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41141.0

I'll be there.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 23, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
Before we start lobbing lead at 300+ yards think about trying the monthly silhouette match at Koko Head. Next one is 10/3. 22LR rifles off hand, no slings no rests. Or if you have a 22 pistol you can shoot Creedmoor.

More info here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41141.0

I'll be there.
Yeah, I'd be down once I get my rifle and set up.  I've seen those matches.  Looked fun and from talking to a few of the folks, harder than it looks for the improvised positions.

 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 23, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Seeing if I can make it.
I’m down with a rifle freestanding offhand.
No way I’m getting into the Creedmor position though.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 24, 2021, 11:12:50 AM
Recommendations:
A Savage or Ruger bolt gun and a dedicated PSA upper.
All for the cost of a precision gun the wind at Kokohead will wreak havoc on. (Or less.)
The Savages and Rugers shoot minute of quarter at Kokohead. 50 yds. If shooter does their part. Occasional flyer.
Seen it with my own eyes on numerous occasions.
PSA upper is accurate enough to be fun and it’s good fun. Way more accurate than I thought it’d be.
Of course it’s not a bolt, but thought I would throw that in.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 24, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
Recommendations:
A Savage or Ruger bolt gun and a dedicated PSA upper.
All for the cost of a precision gun the wind at Kokohead will wreak havoc on. (Or less.)
The Savages and Rugers shoot minute of quarter at Kokohead. 50 yds. If shooter does their part. Occasional flyer.
Seen it with my own eyes on numerous occasions.
PSA upper is accurate enough to be fun and it’s good fun. Way more accurate than I thought it’d be.
Of course it’s not a bolt, but thought I would throw that in.
I've shot many a 10/22s and say M&P15/22s at Koko Head.  They are fun and decently enough accurate for what they are.  Are they uber precision?  No, but not expecting them to be as different context, at least for me. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 24, 2021, 12:29:51 PM
That’s why the dedicated upper is is fun.
It’s not a whole nother gun. Just something to play with while using you’re actual AR trigger.
But accurate enough that it isn’t a waste of time.
Not accurate guns suck and are no fun. IMO.
‘Cept 12 gauge. Happy I hit the stand with a slug at 50.

It’s just an add on.
Definitely went bolt gun first. (After I sold my 10/22’s … blasphemer…can hear it now. Don’t regret it a day. Souped ‘em up, shot ‘em and shipped ‘em out.) 

Currently got a Savage BVII with laminated stock and a Remington 597 with an aftermarket trigger.
Tack drivers ? I don’t know I don’t shoot that good. But my daughter could take an eye out at fifty yards with either. (CCI mini mags)
Plus the PSA dedicated upper.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 24, 2021, 12:56:50 PM
Just buy Anchulz. And let me try.

I got to try a $4500 over/under shotty at the skeet side. IDK if skeet or trap. Not the left to right clays, the other one.

Palms got sweaty and was telling myself, "don't drop it, don't drop it, don't drop it".
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 24, 2021, 12:58:39 PM
Have to sell half my stash to buy an Anchulz.  :wacko:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 24, 2021, 02:25:27 PM
Just buy Anchulz. And let me try.

I got to try a $4500 over/under shotty at the skeet side. IDK if skeet or trap. Not the left to right clays, the other one.

Palms got sweaty and was telling myself, "don't drop it, don't drop it, don't drop it".
Wat dat?  Chinese knock-off precision rifle?   ???  :rofl:

While I don't think I would likely go that route, but I've been researching a lot more on Vudoos lately. . . but that's $2k for barreled action, another $800-1000+ for chassis, and then glass. . . in that case, likely not in the next year (or current rifle permit). . .  :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on September 24, 2021, 02:51:36 PM
screw this into your AR upper https://compasslake.com/product-category-hide/upper-parts/22-rim-fire-kits-parts/ (https://compasslake.com/product-category-hide/upper-parts/22-rim-fire-kits-parts/)

as accurate as my Remington 40X
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 24, 2021, 09:10:21 PM
While I don't think I would likely go that route, but I've been researching a lot more on Vudoos lately. . . but that's $2k for barreled action, another $800-1000+ for chassis, and then glass. . . in that case, likely not in the next year (or current rifle permit). . .  :(

Zermatt Arms Rim X action. Build is EXACTLY how you want it not how Vudoo thinks it should be.

I thought you said you was going budget.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: Just kidding, I warned you, the rabbit hole is deep AF. You haven't even gone done the precision 22lr ammo road yet,  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 25, 2021, 09:37:29 AM
Zermatt Arms Rim X action. Build is EXACTLY how you want it not how Vudoo thinks it should be.

I thought you said you was going budget.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: Just kidding, I warned you, the rabbit hole is deep AF. You haven't even gone done the precision 22lr ammo road yet,  ;D ;D ;D
Hmm, I’ll have to check them out.  You mean like this:
https://teamgbt.ca/zermatt-arms-rimx/

Yeah, this started as budget/basic in the thinking that I might as well maximize my time when I have to register my bolt action rifles.  Thoughts were what I could find in stock locally when the bolt guns came in.  Still want to go that direction and use a scope that I already have that’s without a gun, but then I started looking, and reading, and watching YT. . .  ;D.

You ever been hungry and then head out to get food with no real plan.  Start off say “I’ll go get some basic Korean takeout”.  Then a buddy calls and be like “eh, let’s go check out (insert place)” that is a bit more quality, but higher price.  Then next thing you know, things are like “if we’re spending that much, might as well go Hy’s”.  ;D

Yeah, a few buddies warned me that the 22lr road is worse in many ways than centerfire.  That the ammo availability situation is limited still, is one reason I haven’t gone “full retard” as well. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 25, 2021, 10:38:05 AM
https://youtu.be/2_DHZUGS24Y

Zermatt  :love:

First video of this guy, but a fan already. Builder and shooter. 



Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 25, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
Hmm, I’ll have to check them out.  You mean like this:
https://teamgbt.ca/zermatt-arms-rimx/

Yeah, this started as budget/basic in the thinking that I might as well maximize my time when I have to register my bolt action rifles.  Thoughts were what I could find in stock locally when the bolt guns came in.  Still want to go that direction and use a scope that I already have that’s without a gun, but then I started looking, and reading, and watching YT. . .  ;D.

You ever been hungry and then head out to get food with no real plan.  Start off say “I’ll go get some basic Korean takeout”.  Then a buddy calls and be like “eh, let’s go check out (insert place)” that is a bit more quality, but higher price.  Then next thing you know, things are like “if we’re spending that much, might as well go Hy’s”.  ;D

Yeah, a few buddies warned me that the 22lr road is worse in many ways than centerfire.  That the ammo availability situation is limited still, is one reason I haven’t gone “full retard” as well.

I can laugh because I've been down that road.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Actually the high end rimfire ammo is pretty available. The large majority of 22lr shooters are "plinkers". They won't buy the high end stuff no matter what. We've been able to get ammo throughout this stupid times just not as much and not at the prices we usually get. The bunch I shoot with have always had ammo

I just remembered Bergara makes a good rimfire rifle with a 700 footprint. With NRL22 blowing up in the states, there's so many rimfire options out. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 25, 2021, 08:14:56 PM
Got two ammo cans of 22.
One with only mini mags. My staple.
And one with all kinds from Winchester white box to federal to good stuff like Aguila.
Ammo makes all the difference in the world with 22 in my opinion.
The cheap white box and federal, you can literally wobble the head on the cartridge, half of it’s set so loose.

I’ll generally blow the crap stuff up on the silly side plinking.

Depends what your particular gun likes to eat though.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: 808Hunta on September 26, 2021, 06:38:20 AM
https://youtu.be/2_DHZUGS24Y

Zermatt  :love:

First video of this guy, but a fan already. Builder and shooter.
I like the woox stocks/chassis handles nice n fit n finish is great also. Reasonably priced as well

Nice build!  There goes the money pit lol
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2021, 10:24:42 AM
I can laugh because I've been down that road.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Actually the high end rimfire ammo is pretty available. The large majority of 22lr shooters are "plinkers". They won't buy the high end stuff no matter what. We've been able to get ammo throughout this stupid times just not as much and not at the prices we usually get. The bunch I shoot with have always had ammo

I just remembered Bergara makes a good rimfire rifle with a 700 footprint. With NRL22 blowing up in the states, there's so many rimfire options out.
Hmm, maybe have to get more info on the 22 ammo thing.  If I go toward the higher end 22 rifle route, I’ll probably wait until next spring/summer, which aligns with wrapping up what is keeping me super busy.  That timing will also let me recover from my adventures in centerfire bolt action.  Haha
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Got two ammo cans of 22.
One with only mini mags. My staple.
And one with all kinds from Winchester white box to federal to good stuff like Aguila.
Ammo makes all the difference in the world with 22 in my opinion.
The cheap white box and federal, you can literally wobble the head on the cartridge, half of it’s set so loose.

I’ll generally blow the crap stuff up on the silly side plinking.

Depends what your particular gun likes to eat though.
I have definitely noticed the range of 22 ammo quality for the crappy bulk to medium range.  I’ve given away boxes of the Federal Champion blue box.  That said, I’m pretty sure I’m not going the semi-auto route, hence the “bolt action” part of the title.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2021, 10:29:49 AM
I like the woox stocks/chassis handles nice n fit n finish is great also. Reasonably priced as well

Nice build!  There goes the money pit lol
That video was the first I’ve heard about Woox.  They look pretty awesome.  If I go the custom action route, I’ll have to decide to stick with the MPA line, for consistency with my centerfire.  Or use that to try other chassis.  I was considering KRG for the .308, but ended up going with a slightly different MPA chassis.  Decided to not introduce another variable, at least for that gun.  Still have the 6.5 CM to consider, or move the MPA from my current .308 to the 6.5 CM and try another chassis for the “older” .308.  So many options, so limited $$$.   :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on September 26, 2021, 01:28:45 PM
22 precision shooting sounds fun.  Who’s actually selling 22 match ammo theses days.  Haven’t seen that stuff around since covid.  Do you need to special order from the mainland?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 26, 2021, 05:24:27 PM
I have definitely noticed the range of 22 ammo quality for the crappy bulk to medium range.  I’ve given away boxes of the Federal Champion blue box.  That said, I’m pretty sure I’m not going the semi-auto route, hence the “bolt action” part of the title.   ;D

Yeah. I didn’t mean semi auto. Although mini mag is all my semi autos run reliably run on.
22 rabbit hole. I still also recommend the dedicated upper and a S&W M&P22 pistol to round it out after the bolt gun.

My friend got the Ruger Precision Rimfire that will kinda eat anything accurately. At least the Federal crap.
Not sure tried white box though.
My bolt. She no like the white box or the Federal bulk.
She’ll shoot ‘em but doesn’t like ‘em.
The mini mags work consistently and the aguila have been good.

PM Inspector. He’ll know every brand and what not about 22 ammo.
I miss Inspector Dave.  :( 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2021, 06:58:40 PM
Yeah. I didn’t mean semi auto. Although mini mag is all my semi autos run reliably run on.
22 rabbit hole. I still also recommend the dedicated upper and a S&W M&P22 pistol to round it out after the bolt gun.

My friend got the Ruger Precision Rimfire that will kinda eat anything accurately. At least the Federal crap.
Not sure tried white box though.
My bolt. She no like the white box or the Federal bulk.
She’ll shoot ‘em but doesn’t like ‘em.
The mini mags work consistently and the aguila have been good.

PM Inspector. He’ll know every brand and what not about 22 ammo.
I miss Inspector Dave.  :(
Thanks for the input. . . I already have 22 pistols covered, including a M&P 22.  No real desire for a 22 semi-auto rifle. 

I used to text that old fogie once in a while.  Used to chat with him here and there, especially shooting stuff.  I have a High Standard 22 pistol that he says he has dibs on, if I ever sold.  IF. . . which reminds me, I probably should text to check in on him and see how he's doing. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 26, 2021, 08:37:09 PM
Hmm, maybe have to get more info on the 22 ammo thing.  If I go toward the higher end 22 rifle route, I’ll probably wait until next spring/summer, which aligns with wrapping up what is keeping me super busy.  That timing will also let me recover from my adventures in centerfire bolt action.  Haha

I will catch a lot of chit for this but.... "Accuracy" is 100% relative. I use this analogy very often,  if you bought a Lamborghini, would you buy your tires from Walmart? Spark plugs from Costco? If you buy or build a high end 22lr rifle, there's NOTHING better than the higher lines of Eley, Lapua and RWS. It depends what your chamber is cut for and what your barrel prefers.  Nothing else will even come close. Many can shoot occasional clover leaf groups at 50y, what are they doing consistently at 100y? I have some very small KYL targets if anyone is willing to prove me wrong.   
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 26, 2021, 08:40:31 PM

PM Inspector. He’ll know every brand and what not about 22 ammo.

Ask Dave if I am BSing.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on September 26, 2021, 08:48:03 PM
I’m sure Inspector Dave would agree.  Even sounds like him.
And after your post it reminded me, it’s Eley not aguila that is impressive.
That stuff is good. In my rifle anyway. Never tried the other two…yet.
But good point gotta test drive the good stuff if you’re going precision.
Each rifle likes what she likes. Then you gotta keep finding it. Which can be hard. Or buy plenty once you know.
But ammo makes a massive difference as Bushido so aptly pointed out with the car analogy.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: 808Hunta on September 26, 2021, 09:01:29 PM
That video was the first I’ve heard about Woox.  They look pretty awesome.  If I go the custom action route, I’ll have to decide to stick with the MPA line, for consistency with my centerfire.  Or use that to try other chassis.  I was considering KRG for the .308, but ended up going with a slightly different MPA chassis.  Decided to not introduce another variable, at least for that gun.  Still have the 6.5 CM to consider, or move the MPA from my current .308 to the 6.5 CM and try another chassis for the “older” .308.  So many options, so limited $$$.   :rofl:
Yeah it's not as well known as others but l like them. I have the exactus ive tried KRG & XLR for my sako M995 rifles also. I have some manners with the mini chassis system as well. In fact the rifle in the pic with the deer is my son's 6.5x284 with a manners w/mini chassis.

I have a spare NIB woox exactus in Rem 700 DBM SA if you wanted to check out the feel etc jus lmk  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 10:06:12 PM
Test adjusting headspace via shims. Wow. Results not THAT telling, but was wondering about equivalent of seating depth for 22. Saw another video of lot testing of same brands of ammo and how it can be different. That was a bit eye opening on this rabbit hole…

https://youtu.be/XFdbmdi3sVo
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 10:06:41 PM
Yeah it's not as well known as others but l like them. I have the exactus ive tried KRG & XLR for my sako M995 rifles also. I have some manners with the mini chassis system as well. In fact the rifle in the pic with the deer is my son's 6.5x284 with a manners w/mini chassis.

I have a spare NIB woox exactus in Rem 700 DBM SA if you wanted to check out the feel etc jus lmk  :shaka:
Thanks. I might be afraid to try and like it. Haha
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 10:10:52 PM
I will catch a lot of chit for this but.... "Accuracy" is 100% relative. I use this analogy very often,  if you bought a Lamborghini, would you buy your tires from Walmart? Spark plugs from Costco? If you buy or build a high end 22lr rifle, there's NOTHING better than the higher lines of Eley, Lapua and RWS. It depends what your chamber is cut for and what your barrel prefers.  Nothing else will even come close. Many can shoot occasional clover leaf groups at 50y, what are they doing consistently at 100y? I have some very small KYL targets if anyone is willing to prove me wrong.
Ya. I remember having similar convos with Inspector when I found a bunch of 22 ammo from my dad’s stash. All cheaper plonker ammo, but being a true connoisseur, he was interested if I had some older “classic” 22 ammo.

With my centerfire, I can definitely notice differences in consistency of day Remington “match” ammo vs FGMM. Both in velocity on chrono and results on paper. Would assume consistency translates to all ammo, including or maybe even especially in 22 where the margins are might tighter. At least my assumption (no experience really).
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 10:34:38 PM
https://youtu.be/b2bkVnXihFA

I’ve dealt with Primal Rights before. Last was among years ago for a couple of scopes. Some good dudes, with one that used to be quite, uh, abrasive on some forums. It’s been many years that I’ve been on some of those sites, but he seems to have mellowed. Not the guy on this video though.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: 808Hunta on September 28, 2021, 07:37:56 AM
Thanks. I might be afraid to try and like it. Haha
Lol
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 28, 2021, 05:41:28 PM
Ask Dave if I am BSing.
Hmm, I wonder if saying his name will conjure up the old fogie? 

Hey Dave?  ya there?   O0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: DocMercy on September 29, 2021, 10:27:04 AM
If you buy or build a high end 22lr rifle, there's NOTHING better than the higher lines of Eley, Lapua and RWS. It depends what your chamber is cut for and what your barrel prefers.  Nothing else will even come close.

There may be nothing better, but which gun stores offer these brands of cartridges? I have only visited four stores so far, and most only carry Federal. Do we have to pull this ammo in from a mainland dealer?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 29, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
There may be nothing better, but which gun stores offer these brands of cartridges? I have only visited four stores so far, and most only carry Federal. Do we have to pull this ammo in from a mainland dealer?

Precovid, WGS and Young Guns had them. IDK about now.  And precovid, 22 guys would place a bulk order as well.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 29, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
Precovid, WGS and Young Guns had them. IDK about now.  And precovid, 22 guys would place a bulk order as well.
I've been meaning to check out WGS for some stuff, as well as for the meat jun in the place near them. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on September 29, 2021, 03:02:58 PM
From my experience:

WGS: past few months sometimes has 22. Early pandemic they were selling old stock of Aguila SE SV 2 at a time.
Youngs: old stock fancy 22 (Eley mostly). Random assortment of other 22, leaning to Federal
Prime Sports: occasional 22, on consignment I think. Last time I saw CCI MiniMags at $25/100
JHara: any rimfire you like so long as it's not 22LR. I picked up a bunch of CCI 22 Short recently because it's great in my kid's Rascal. I forgot: they have plenty Aguila Colibri.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 29, 2021, 06:58:04 PM
Test adjusting headspace via shims. Wow. Results not THAT telling, but was wondering about equivalent of seating depth for 22. Saw another video of lot testing of same brands of ammo and how it can be different. That was a bit eye opening on this rabbit hole…

https://youtu.be/XFdbmdi3sVo

Headspace for 22lr makes a humungous difference in my experience. Way too much to explain. Just think about it, centerfire you can fire form the brass to your chamber then bump the shoulder to your exact preference, rimfire is once fired and done.

Seating depth, that is why chambers are cut to certain brands of ammo. Basically Lapua or Eley. Like centerfire, factory chambers are cut "loose". When you start going down the rabbit hole, there are many different chambers --- Match, Bentz, Kidd, Lapua, Eley, etc...... Most well known rimfire gunsmiths all have their own

Some are loading their own 22lr now. They are buying primed brass from Lapua or Eley, they have specific bullets, dies are available. Mostly the guys doing ELR/ 500 plus are experimenting with this but it is the future IMO. Now they can get the ES way down which will hugley improve their waterline. BCs can be improved with different bullets. The sky is the limit. Many shooters have been modifying factory ammo for decades

You sure you want to go down that hole?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 29, 2021, 09:58:34 PM
Headspace for 22lr makes a humungous difference in my experience. Way too much to explain. Just think about it, centerfire you can fire form the brass to your chamber then bump the shoulder to your exact preference, rimfire is once fired and done.

Seating depth, that is why chambers are cut to certain brands of ammo. Basically Lapua or Eley. Like centerfire, factory chambers are cut "loose". When you start going down the rabbit hole, there are many different chambers --- Match, Bentz, Kidd, Lapua, Eley, etc...... Most well known rimfire gunsmiths all have their own

Some are loading their own 22lr now. They are buying primed brass from Lapua or Eley, they have specific bullets, dies are available. Mostly the guys doing ELR/ 500 plus are experimenting with this but it is the future IMO. Now they can get the ES way down which will hugley improve their waterline. BCs can be improved with different bullets. The sky is the limit. Many shooters have been modifying factory ammo for decades

You sure you want to go down that hole?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah.  I wasn’t saying it didn’t matter, but more that the subtle differences in that video seemed to be quite fine steps and differences were noticeable.  But more that I don’t think I’m ready for that.  One of the reasons why I held off getting into loading for centerfire was that I knew I would likely dive in quite deep.  I mean I did, but I think the component shortage actually helped me from going overboard.  However, I can change stuff like powder charge and seating depth on my own, but the shim thing or head spacing /chambering to a specific ammo seems, well, daunting.  Where I’m thinking it may be better for me to stick to budget first (toe in the pool) before going custom (dive right in). 

I have been watching more videos of Rimx, Vudoo, etc.  As well as reading on the Hide and venturing into Rimfire Central.  On one hand, the setting up guns seems very intriguing, which is why I am so “far gone” into the .308 and soon 6.5 CM.  I do think a lot of the fun is trying and learning along the way.  Which I certainly am with centerfire, and have done with handguns and ARs. 

It’s funny though.  The more I warn myself off about walking along the edge of the rabbit hole, the more I feel the pull.  Maybe in a way “good” thing I’m so busy and also have the centerfire stuff in the works.  Otherwise, I think I would already be free falling in the rimfire thing. Heck, I’m even researching places to find 22 lr ammo for an upcoming trip to the mainland.   :crazy:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on September 29, 2021, 10:13:16 PM
Oh the Anschutz in the XLR chassis is something I've had my eye on for a bit. I'm just waiting for Chapo to sell me his Anschutz/Kelby Trainer.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:

Hahaha.....  Pretty soon Chapo gonna get rid of his Anschutz Trainer, to go down the black hole a little deeper. All that rifle needs is a little tweaking
on the bedding, because it has none....also maybe a pillar....

 I'm really thinking of a Vudoo Single-shot action/Custom build too.

Talking about premium ammo, the higher-priced ammo is very consistent, without flyers.  Eley Match (black box) and Lapua Center-X is real good, but Eley Tenex (red box) and
Lapua Midas+ is better; always shoots in a tight group without flyers if the shooter does his part.  Lapua X-Act is probably the highest-priced at $25.00+ for a box of 50, reaching
centerfire ammo prices.

Shooting premium ammo in Anschutz actions with match barrels, with BR scopes, on good shooting rests, really eliminates the known variables, leaving the biggest unknown - the shooter himself.

Of course, like Bushido says, you have to match the ammo with the rifle - sometimes the pairings are really good, sometimes - meh............
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on September 29, 2021, 10:31:48 PM
Headspace for 22lr makes a humungous difference in my experience. Way too much to explain. Just think about it, centerfire you can fire form the brass to your chamber then bump the shoulder to your exact preference, rimfire is once fired and done.

Seating depth, that is why chambers are cut to certain brands of ammo. Basically Lapua or Eley. Like centerfire, factory chambers are cut "loose". When you start going down the rabbit hole, there are many different chambers --- Match, Bentz, Kidd, Lapua, Eley, etc...... Most well known rimfire gunsmiths all have their own


Headspace makes a huge difference on POI and how a particular lot of ammo shoots.  I have 3 "go" headspace gauges for 22LR: 0.043 (regular), 0.042(hard strike), and 0.044(light strike).  Some ammo that shot well on regular, shoots bad on a hard strike, but shoots pretty good with a light strike...... haven't reached a conclusion on what's good or bad yet.

My Shilen barrels on Anschutz 54 actions are match-chambered for the RWS R50 round by the Anschutz shop.
My Lilja barrel on an Anschutz 54 (2013) is chambered for the Eley Match EPS round by Lilja Barrels.
My soon-to-arrive Benchmark barrel (3-groove) is chambered with a Nevius chamber favored by some BR shooters on the mainland.
Chapo's Turbo3 BR has a Lapua Center-X chamber, as requested, and shoots well with that ammo..............

These chambers all have a hard time even chambering CCI SV RN 40gr rounds, and cannot close the bolt over one of these.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on September 29, 2021, 10:48:11 PM
Pound the table?  I've shot triggers where if I sneezed when I had the trigger prepped, it would go off.  I'm exaggerating, but not by much.
Super light was one of my first experiences shooting bolt action.  It was a strange two stage trigger, where there were two bars/levers (best I can remember).  Anyways, the second/last was glass, but super light!


All my Anschutz BR rifles are reconfigured from 2-stage triggers to single-stage triggers, down to 2oz pulls. Steve Boelter (Anschutz) did this to my last 2 rifles, and taught me how to reconfigure the triggers on my
other rifles.

It will not go off by pounding the Kokohead bench table, but the lightest touch of the trigger will set it off.

Chapo's Turbo3 BR has even a lighter trigger than mine, but I can't shoot it that light, even though I'm used to 2oz triggers..............
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 30, 2021, 06:38:20 PM
Headspace makes a huge difference on POI and how a particular lot of ammo shoots.  I have 3 "go" headspace gauges for 22LR: 0.043 (regular), 0.042(hard strike), and 0.044(light strike).  Some ammo that shot well on regular, shoots bad on a hard strike, but shoots pretty good with a light strike...... haven't reached a conclusion on what's good or bad yet.

I hear some favor .044" IME that's loose. It may shoot everything and anything like a sporter chamber but I like .042". If you relate this to the centerfire crowd, 42 is like a "jam". There will be a preload of sorts on the rim with it.

As far as "freebore" that'll depend on the reamer used and the ammo. I'm sure with your Aniies, if you chamber certain ammo then carefully eject that round, you will see light marks on the bullet. I hear many of the bolt gun precision gunsmiths cut their chambers to have the bullet lightly "jammed" in the lands as do some reloaders. I would be curious to try that on Fuj's Cachon chamber. I wonder if semi autos prefer the same especially with a blow back bolt?

IMO reamers, chambers, headspace, etc... is far, far, far above what most rimfire shooters should be concerned with. We have experienced that many will hesitate to purchase midrange ammo like RWS Orange, Yellow, SK, Wolf, etc... Personally I don't understand how some will spend 2, 3, 4, 5 grand on a rifle but are unwilling to feed it good ammo (Go back to my Ferrari reference).
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on September 30, 2021, 06:40:43 PM

Chapo's Turbo3 BR has even a lighter trigger than mine, but I can't shoot it that light, even though I'm used to 2oz triggers..............

Isn't it a Bix'N Andy BR trigger at sub 1oz? Yes it was too light for me, unpredictable.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on September 30, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
Isn't it a Bix'N Andy BR trigger at sub 1oz? Yes it was too light for me, unpredictable.

Yeah............ it's the Bix'NAndy Comp trigger that went way below 2oz.          2oz not 2lbs.

I adjusted my triggers with a "little" ledge so that I would know I got my finger on my trigger.
Without this ledge, hard to tell when your finger is touching the trigger, and is unpredictable as Bushido says.

Chapo's trigger was 1oz or even less... if that's possible.

I have this "VTSYIQI Gram Tension Meter Dial Tension Gauge Gram Force Gauge Tensiometer 150G" which is like a  Wheeler or Lyman trigger-pull gauge, only lighter. 
It goes from 15grams (0.52oz) >> 150grams (5.29oz).  Measuring increments are 5 grams/0.17oz.

Chapo's trigger was on the low end....... maybe 30 grams or less.  My Anschutz triggers are all about 60grams, the lightest Anschutz - 2.1 oz triggers.


This is the Anschutz 5018 trigger on my 54.30 Kelbly BR rifle that was on the Anschutz Instagram site:    https://www.instagram.com/p/BqK_MbfHPjY/

(https://i.imgur.com/3oR8v0l.jpg)


Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on September 30, 2021, 11:03:10 PM


........... if you chamber certain ammo then carefully eject that round, you will see light marks on the bullet. I hear many of the bolt gun precision gunsmiths cut their chambers to have the bullet lightly "jammed" in the lands as do some reloaders.

We have experienced that many will hesitate to purchase midrange ammo like RWS Orange, Yellow, SK, Wolf, etc... Personally I don't understand how some will spend 2, 3, 4, 5 grand on a rifle but are unwilling to feed it good ammo (Go back to my Ferrari reference).

Bushido, you know you right...........when I put a premium 22LR (good Lapua/Eley/RWS) round into the rifle chamber for which it was cut, it does have the slight rifling marks on the bullet when you eject it without shooting it. just like centerfires.

When you have spent much $$$$ on the rifle, that rifle deserves good ammo to shoot to its potential.       
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 01, 2021, 12:54:25 AM
never tried one, but ....

There are mechanical ways to tune your barrel harmonics on the cheap. And you can dial it in for different ammo.

http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-rimfire-tuners-403

(https://harrellsprec.com/sc_images/products/403_image.jpg)


Tuners work with a particular batch of consistent 22LR ammo (same lot of 22 ammo), at a certain distance like 50 yards.  They limit the vertical dispersion/spread of the groupings.

I use 2 types of tuners, and the jury is still out on which is better.

Harrell tuner is probably the standard tuner for BR shooters, sometimes with extra weights, sometimes with a bloop tube like Don Blue's extension tube.

BeeSting tuner & tube, with additional weights, is also a tuner that I'm playing with now.

Picture #1: Harrell tuner with Don Blue's extension tube
Picture #2: Don Blue's extension tube
Picture #3: BeeSting Tuner/Extension Tube


(https://i.imgur.com/ZUBO5XS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yngeR8i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2CaDE2P.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 01, 2021, 07:18:20 AM

All my Anschutz BR rifles are reconfigured from 2-stage triggers to single-stage triggers, down to 2oz pulls. Steve Boelter (Anschutz) did this to my last 2 rifles, and taught me how to reconfigure the triggers on my
other rifles.

It will not go off by pounding the Kokohead bench table, but the lightest touch of the trigger will set it off.

Chapo's Turbo3 BR has even a lighter trigger than mine, but I can't shoot it that light, even though I'm used to 2oz triggers..............
For you, why 2 oz? 

I've read and spoken to some F-Class and BR shooters who like 1oz.  Bix 'n Andy, Jewell, and another company (I think Italian sounding name) are seemingly the go-to.

Coming from shooting a lot of AR and not finely tuned pistol triggers, I've been shooting 2-stage with the second stage in the 1 lb range.  I think my current trigger can go down to 8 oz, with the trigger on the gun in works down to 4 oz (I think).  Admittedly ignorant in this regard, so went with what is familiar to me.

My current preference is a trigger that had a defined wall and consistent and crisp break.  Like mentioned above for ammo and accuracy, it's relative since I'm coming from shooting stock triggers for such a long time, and Geissele for ARs in the last many years. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 01, 2021, 07:21:29 AM
Discussed tuners quite a bit for my centerfire rifles (currently waiting for chassis and one waiting for barrel) with my gun builder and since I am planning to tune via seating depth, went with just a brake.  I was considering a tuner brake for when I also shoot factory ammo, but there were other features of the std brake over the tuner brake that I liked.  Plus, leaves me a convenience excuse to get a new barrel or even gun to test the tuner brake.   ;D

From the range of 22 ammo, I could envision (almost blindly guess really) that a tuner could be a benefit if one doesn't have a consistent stock of 22 ammo. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on October 01, 2021, 08:58:47 AM
I've never fiddled with tuners, so I have no idea: How many rounds do y'all estimate it takes to figure out the best tune for one type of ammo?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 01, 2021, 04:06:07 PM
I've never fiddled with tuners, so I have no idea: How many rounds do y'all estimate it takes to figure out the best tune for one type of ammo?

Many ways to tune the tuner, with the Hopewell Method being one of the basic standard.

https://newbrunswick-benchrest.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-hopewell-method-of-barrel-tuning.html

Hopewell Method uses about 125rds, but I actually shoot less that what is stated in the Hopewell Method, so I use probably a box, maybe a little more....

Any tuning method is only good for that lot of ammo.  Anytime you change even lots of ammo of the same brand, you supposed to start from scratch.

However, I've found that once a certain # is found on the tuner, that it basically shoots the good ammo into the same place.

For example, if the Midas+ shoots good at #325, then the Center-X will probably shoot to the same POI.  It probably means that the weight of the tuner at
that certain point is at the ideal point of the barrel vibration cycle.  Eley Tenex probably won't shoot to the same POI due to velocity changes, so need to adjust
the tuner a few clicks inward or outward.  RWS R50 shoots different than all the others, since velocity is higher at 1083>1096 fps.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 01, 2021, 06:03:41 PM

From the range of 22 ammo, I could envision (almost blindly guess really) that a tuner could be a benefit if one doesn't have a consistent stock of 22 ammo.

No, actually it's the opposite thinking. Tuners are good if you shoot same lot of ammo and same distances. If you change ammo often you will have to tune for every ammo. Lapua for example has their velocity in meters per second in their lot number. I would guess very close velocity would equate to minimal change in the tuner adjustment. I really wouldn't know for sure as for what I do, a tuner would not be beneficial so I don't own one. Really it's popular in BR and not much else. Maybe smallbore prone IDK

Tuners are not very popular in the centerfire disciplines as they are in Rimfire BR.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 01, 2021, 06:06:11 PM
And then there's cone breach and "clocking" barrels.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: I told you the rabbit hole is deeper than you think.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 01, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
All this rimfire talk may make me dust off one of the rimmies and go shoot with esk this weekend.  :shaka:I might even get Chapo to sell me his trainer.  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 01, 2021, 08:50:41 PM
And then there's cone breach and "clocking" barrels.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: I told you the rabbit hole is deeper than you think.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


From Lilja rifle barrel site:https://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/anschutz/anschutz-model-200713-precision-barrel/

"Beginning in January of 2011 we have changed our barrel shank design from a copy of the Anschutz factory style to a modified 360º radius cone shape. 
The advantage to this style is that it allows the shooter an infinite number of positions the barrel can be rotated to. 
This allows fine tuning of the barrel.  The chamber end of the barrel is machined so that the extractors will work in any position. 
The Lilja logo and cartridge designation can be placed in the traditional position but you are not limited to that."
(https://i.imgur.com/aoJMDXG.jpg)


I got one of these and shoots exceptionally well. 

I'm having Benchmark Barrels cut me a 28" 3-groove, straight BR contour barrel, and have the gunsmith cut & contour the shank, and put a Nevius match chamber,
and cut the breech like this.

The rabbit hole is indeed deep.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on October 02, 2021, 07:15:54 AM
you guys ever considered shooting with the smallbore league?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 02, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
you guys ever considered shooting with the smallbore league?

I have considered it. It is not my preferred style of shooting but that's about all we have aside from metallic silhouette. We could do so much more here but it's Hawaii and more so the people....  Inspector and I have tried a few times to get shooters out. As usual everyone wants to "just watch". Smfh it is what it is
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 02, 2021, 08:34:28 AM
No, actually it's the opposite thinking. Tuners are good if you shoot same lot of ammo and same distances. If you change ammo often you will have to tune for every ammo. Lapua for example has their velocity in meters per second in their lot number. I would guess very close velocity would equate to minimal change in the tuner adjustment. I really wouldn't know for sure as for what I do, a tuner would not be beneficial so I don't own one. Really it's popular in BR and not much else. Maybe smallbore prone IDK

Tuners are not very popular in the centerfire disciplines as they are in Rimfire BR.
Ahh, interesting.  For centerfire, at least the folks that I've been following, they seemed to use tuners for a couple of reasons, and one is where one shoots factory ammo and can tune the gun better to it.  One of those designs and sells his own brand of tuner and tuner brakes.  But also a range of uses, F-Class, PRS, hunting, and just for fun. 

I currently have a range of 22 ammo, but all what I would consider plinking ammo.  Mostly meant for semi-auto handguns, but I have been buying 22 ammo where I can here and there.  None of the good stuff you folks mentioned though. 

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 02, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
And then there's cone breach and "clocking" barrels.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: I told you the rabbit hole is deeper than you think.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I vaguely heard of the first, not the second.  Should I even chance researching? 

My .308 and 6.5 CM is taking so long, I might have some $$$ available. . .  ;D


All this rimfire talk may make me dust off one of the rimmies and go shoot with esk this weekend.  :shaka:I might even get Chapo to sell me his trainer.  :rofl:
Post some pic!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 02, 2021, 12:13:06 PM
"Clocking the barrel"

From Lilja rifle barrel site:https://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/anschutz/anschutz-model-200713-precision-barrel

"Beginning in January of 2011 we have changed our barrel shank design from a copy of the Anschutz factory style to a modified 360º radius cone shape.
The advantage to this style is that it allows the shooter an infinite number of positions the barrel can be rotated to.
This allows fine tuning of the barrel.  The chamber end of the barrel is machined so that the extractors will work in any position.
The Lilja logo and cartridge designation can be placed in the traditional position but you are not limited to that."

Clocking the barrel means that you can rotate the barrel (12o'clock, 3o'clock, 6o'clock, 9o'clock), then headspace with a go gauge, without regard of extraction cuts
because no more extractor cuts on a cone-shaped end shank.

               For example, on a regular rifle, the barrel markings are on the left-side of the barrel in about a 10o'clock mark. 
                                    You cannot clock a regular barrel because of the extractor cuts will not allow you to do this.
                                    The Lilja cone-shaped end allows me to put the Lilja barrel markings at 3o'clock.
                                     

I've read about clocking barrels, but really have not gone too deep on rotating barrels.  I haven't noticed much difference.  I clean my action & barrel every couple of months
and I rotate the barrel and play with the headspace with my go gauges.  I try to change them a little every time, but haven't seen any great change - good or bad.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on October 02, 2021, 12:58:23 PM
It would be hard to clock a barrel if threaded into receiver?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 02, 2021, 01:27:25 PM

Yeah, probably cannot with a threaded barrel.

Using a headspace gauge of 0.42, 0.43 (standard 22LR), or 0.44 only gives you only so much play on the threaded barrel.

The Anschutz 2013 action clamps down on the barrel, so it's possible to clock the barrel.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 02, 2021, 03:33:52 PM
It would be hard to clock a barrel if threaded into receiver?

Not necessarily but extremely time and labor consuming. The cone breach is the big part, if traditional extractor slots were used, it wouldn't be worth the effort IMO.  The very competitive rimfire shooters "glue in" barrels to actions and actions to stocks for that matter. You can imagine at the highest competitions, they are doing every little thing to gain an advantage. Accuracy is 100% relative. In F-Class they are tossing barrels because their X counts dropping. These barrels are still shooting sub MOA out to 600 and 1000 yards but for them, they are gone. 95% of shooters would kill to have a barrel that could do that.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 02, 2021, 08:12:32 PM
 

I currently have a range of 22 ammo, but all what I would consider plinking ammo.  Mostly meant for semi-auto handguns, but I have been buying 22 ammo where I can here and there.  None of the good stuff you folks mentioned though.

Oh boy, don't get esk started on rimfire pistols.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: He has a safe full of the "good chit".
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 03, 2021, 06:22:37 PM
Not necessarily but extremely time and labor consuming. The cone breach is the big part, if traditional extractor slots were used, it wouldn't be worth the effort IMO.  The very competitive rimfire shooters "glue in" barrels to actions and actions to stocks for that matter. You can imagine at the highest competitions, they are doing every little thing to gain an advantage. Accuracy is 100% relative. In F-Class they are tossing barrels because their X counts dropping. These barrels are still shooting sub MOA out to 600 and 1000 yards but for them, they are gone. 95% of shooters would kill to have a barrel that could do that.
Yeah, those saving hammer barrels was interesting discussions.  Like you said, relative. 

Where some competitors save their hammer barrels for national or big matches.  Otherwise, they spin them off and put on other barrels for club matches or other stuff.  Even where some of them buy barrels in batches of 3-6+.  I can get their perspective of competition and the unicorn status of those barrels.  I guess I have enough money to do so, but I only shoot so much these days.  If I had regular access to other ranges like they do on the mainland, I'd probably shoot a lot more, and be more broke.  ;D 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 03, 2021, 06:26:42 PM
Oh boy, don't get esk started on rimfire pistols.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: He has a safe full of the "good chit".
My 22 pistols are definitely plinkers.  An M&P 22 and my dad's High Standard.  Inspector was very interested in the High Standard.  I need to replace all of the springs in the HS to get it shooting well again though. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 03, 2021, 08:56:49 PM
These rifles can outshoot 99.9% of shooters. https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=42895.0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on October 03, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
These rifles can outshoot 99.9% of shooters. https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=42895.0

Those are beautiful.
Shot range buddy's custom prone Win 52 with a 3oz trigger. Wow. It was so cool.Very accurate
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 04, 2021, 06:54:32 PM
Those are beautiful.
Shot range buddy's custom prone Win 52 with a 3oz trigger. Wow. It was so cool.Very accurate

Those are WAY above my pay grade but Win 52s, now you talking my language. They are like Hot Rods, they don't make um like they used to.

My friend has an Annie Prone rifle that I want. I know once I buy it it's going to be deep into the rabbit hole. Jacket, Glove, Sling, etc....The sights alone will run me broke. I shot it and it's accurate AF.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 04, 2021, 06:56:12 PM
This whole thread is going to run me broke. I come on this forum only for the classifieds.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 08:37:44 PM
These rifles can outshoot 99.9% of shooters. https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=42895.0
I’m not gonna lie.  I checked them out and was very impressed.  I am not even close to appreciating a rifle like that. 

This whole thread is going to run me broke. I come on this forum only for the classifieds.  ;D ;D ;D
Hold up, I a$$umed you were already far, far, far down the rabbit hole.   :rofl:

I got the black rifle disease super bad after I got involved in a large gun board.  I  :shake: to think about how much I spent on ARs over the years.  That wasn’t even a rabbit hole either.  If I wasn’t neck deep in centerfire stuff, I would probably have a Zermatt setup or something similar already on order.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 05, 2021, 08:55:08 AM
Those are WAY above my pay grade but Win 52s, now you talking my language. They are like Hot Rods, they don't make um like they used to.


This thread went over my pay grade 3 pages ago.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 05, 2021, 06:53:13 PM
Hold up, I a$$umed you were already far, far, far down the rabbit hole.   :rofl:


esk shoots Rimfire Benchrest. I shoot more positional stuff like PRS or NRL22 so our builds are very different. Our group shares the rimfire passion and have been shooting together for years. That group is a bad influence for sure.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 05, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Our group is a bad influence for sure....... ;D......... pretty deep in the rabbit hole for sure.

We pick up our premium 22LR ammo from Jennifer at www.kaleoarms.com.  Email her at admin@kaleoarms.com

She can get anything that's available on the internet, bearing in mind that there is limited availability of every type of ammo in these hard times.

LGS in Honolulu have a hard time moving the good (and expensive) ammo, so they are hesitant to bring it in.  That's why you won't find in the LGS
what we have and shoot at Kokohead like Lapua Center-X, Lapua Midas+, Eley Tenex Red, Eley Match (black), RWS R50, SK Rifle Match (red), etc.

Email her with what you want and she will try to find it for you.  Sometimes we search the internet for the good ammo and then
ask her to order & have it delivered to her company in South Dakota.  She then combines other orders and puts them on a pallet
to ship to Honolulu.

Minimum is one brick 22LR, but try to combine orders with some friends to make a large order, or  buy a case to make it worthwhile to your group and to Jennifer.

Jennifer is reasonable on ammo prices, shipping and handling charges, so talk to her about what you want. 

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 05, 2021, 08:54:45 PM
Yes Jenny is the place to go. I buy cheap plinking ammo, mid range and the goodie goodie from her. I don't even go to LGS looking for premium 22lr, understandably they just don't have the premium stuff and even if they did, it'll be in small quantities. Once you get in the local rimfire crowd in my experience everyone shares and gives you ammo to try and give feedback. There is other ways to source premium 22lr ammo and get it here in Hawaii. Jenny is just easier and she is super cool and helpful.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 05, 2021, 09:26:18 PM
This thread went over my pay grade 3 pages ago.

That sounds like something a Tesla driver would say
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 05, 2021, 09:30:52 PM
This thread went over my pay grade 3 pages ago.
You have a pretty Gucci rimfire rifle if I recall correctly. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 05, 2021, 09:33:06 PM
esk shoots Rimfire Benchrest. I shoot more positional stuff like PRS or NRL22 so our builds are very different. Our group shares the rimfire passion and have been shooting together for years. That group is a bad influence for sure.  ;D ;D ;D
Oh, you just haven’t ventured as deep as esk. . .  ;D

I’ve gotten a number of buddies to buy guns, some of them stuff from me.  But more basic stuff like pistols an ARs.  Nothing that pricey.  That said, I did buy an AK from one buddy that he got through an estate sale.  I ended up putting a bunch of money into that AK project.  I guess I’m “rabbit hole” prone.  Haha
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 05, 2021, 09:34:42 PM
I’ve ordered from Kaleo a bunch of times for all sorts of different ammo.  From match .223 to .41 mag.  Always super helpful. Might have to check in with them when I get back from vacation for some 22, 6.5, etc.   :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on October 06, 2021, 04:34:26 AM
Kaleo arms is great. I've ordered from them a few times, various calibers. Jennifer is always very helpful.  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 06, 2021, 10:27:33 AM
You have a pretty Gucci rimfire rifle if I recall correctly.

Tacticool, there's a difference.  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 06, 2021, 10:28:29 AM
That sounds like something a Tesla driver would say

Cause working on a car engine is also over my pay grade (besides changing oil and battery). So EV removes the engine totally. 1 less thing to worry about.   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 06, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
Tacticool, there's a difference.  :rofl:
Uh, the purple one? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 06, 2021, 01:00:35 PM
Uh, the purple one?

Oh, you mean the wife's one. Yup. KIDD action, single stage trigger, barrel. Brownells receiver.  And purple stock.   Prime is almost done with it. There was a lot of sanding of her stock to get the parts to all fit.  And Henry knows Mrs.CMO is OCD about that kind stuff, so gotta look super good, even though the receiver will cover lots inside the stock.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 06, 2021, 07:01:44 PM
Oh, you just haven’t ventured as deep as esk. . .  ;D

Ohh esk is very deep down the rabbit hole. I lost sight of him years ago.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:

It really is pretty interesting to see many shooters evolve through their journey in rimfire. esk went from 10/22s and CCI SV to the holy grail of rimfire in a matter of a few years. When the bug bites, it's like a pitbull it doesn't let go.

At the end of the day, I could be spending my money on far worse things. I've always said "The richest man in the graveyard, is the biggest fkn loser". I'm competitive AF I don't like to lose........
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 06, 2021, 07:02:45 PM
You have a pretty Gucci rimfire rifle if I recall correctly.

CMO is more LV than Gucci.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 06, 2021, 07:05:05 PM
Kaleo arms is great. I've ordered from them a few times, various calibers. Jennifer is always very helpful.  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

They have been staring to send pallets again recently. Ammo is slowly coming back across the 48s. Things should be back to sort of normal in a bit. Reality prices will never be the same IME
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on October 07, 2021, 12:08:35 AM
They have been staring to send pallets again recently. Ammo is slowly coming back across the 48s. Things should be back to sort of normal in a bit. Reality prices will never be the same IME

I got some some on the way currently  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 07, 2021, 08:49:33 PM

Us too  :shaka:

Coming in tomorrow
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on October 07, 2021, 10:14:21 PM
Where do you guys shoot precision at ?
Can’t be be Kokohead at 50. Or can it ?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 07, 2021, 10:27:51 PM
Where do you guys shoot precision at ?
Can’t be be Kokohead at 50. Or can it ?
Bushido has his own targets that take a great deal of accuracy.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 08, 2021, 08:45:39 PM

I found these Pelican 1040 micro cases work really well to hold either 5 or 6 boxes of 22LR.

Hard plastic and sturdy - no way ammo gonna get squashed.  The botom of the case has

soft rubber and the sides are scalloped for a good fit and acts like a bumper pad.

(https://i.imgur.com/wRY22rQ.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 09, 2021, 07:59:11 PM
I found these Pelican 1040 micro cases work really well to hold either 5 or 6 boxes of 22LR.

Hard plastic and sturdy - no way ammo gonna get squashed.  The botom of the case has

soft rubber and the sides are scalloped for a good fit and acts like a bumper pad.

(https://i.imgur.com/wRY22rQ.jpg)

You late to the Pelican game. Don't make me post pics.  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 09, 2021, 08:04:19 PM
Bushido has his own targets that take a great deal of accuracy.

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Many have KYL (Know Your Limits) targets. I call mine HYF (Hurt Your Feelings) targets. 1/8" swingers. Let's see who can walk the walk. This ain't shooting groups and we not shooting from no bench that's for sure.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: But for real if anyone like try, LMK. Always looking for more to venture down the dark rabbit hole
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 09, 2021, 08:07:37 PM
Where do you guys shoot precision at ?
Can’t be be Kokohead at 50. Or can it ?

Yes. 50-100 at various distances in between. If you got access to private land LMK. I have targets, rifles, ammo and a bad attitude.  ;D We shoot as small as toothpicks and playing cards sideways at 50y.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 09, 2021, 10:13:45 PM
You late to the Pelican game. Don't make me post pics.  ;D


Ahhh soo....  I just saw it on rimfirecentral.com, and thought it was great.............. :worship:

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179525&page=63

Lemme see what other Pelican cases you got for the range.   

I got the Pelican 1030, 1040, 1050, 1060 just recently, and just thinking of what to put into them...........
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 10, 2021, 07:37:53 AM
I've been using 1050s for decades while Ulua Fishing to keep phone, cash, keys dry. I clip a floater to it in case a swell takes it in the water although it by itself will float. I have 1020, 1030, 1050, 1060 that i use for various ocean activities like SUP surfing, fishing, etc... I use to carry 22lr magazines in the 1020s but now i use nylon zippered pouches instead, easier to store in rifle bag. Same with 22lr ammo I stop using Pelicans, I bought an off brand dry box because it's a lot bigger than a 1060 and it has all my wind calls and wind holds stuck on the inner lid.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: DocMercy on October 10, 2021, 11:08:36 AM
Who makes these rifle rests? Picture grabbed from Anschutz limited edition rifle thread.

(https://i.imgur.com/KZazxHx.jpg]https://i.imgur.com/KZazxHx.jpg)

The Caldwell rests seem to have their own set of deficiencies, the biggest being the weight. Need a new rabbit hole in the pursuit of accuracy.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 10, 2021, 12:31:37 PM
Who makes these rifle rests? Picture grabbed from Anschutz limited edition rifle thread.

The Caldwell rests seem to have their own set of deficiencies, the biggest being the weight. Need a new rabbit hole in the pursuit of accuracy.

The front rest is a John Loh JJ-Industries rest.  Real smooth, precision threads, and well-made.  Unfortunately, John Loh passed away in 10/2019.
I was looking for extra parts/accessories, but none available. Sometimes a used rest is on sale on benchrest.com  or  rimfirecentral.com
Google "john loh jj-industries" to read more.

The rear mechanical rest is from Chacon at ABRA.  I don't see it for sale on his site, but Killough's Sporting has a Holeshot version for $275 !
I got mine from Chacon for $150.....

If you like the elevation & windage screw-type of front rest, I would look at the Randolph Machine (Fulghum) rest.   http://www.randolphmachine.com/front.html

A rest costing a little less but very good is the Sinclair Competition Rest sold by Brownells.


Joystick rests are different, but I like the (1) SEB Neo  or (2) Lenzi.

http://www.sebrests.com/products/neo          SEB is a BR standard
https://www.pmatool.com/lenzi-front-rest/      Looks like the Italians took the SEB and made it look better


"The Caldwell rests seem to have their own set of deficiencies, the biggest being the weight. Need a new rabbit hole in the pursuit of accuracy."
           
                 Beware, all these rests weigh much more than a Caldwell.  JJLoh is heavy.  SEB looks heavier.

You will also need a box to carry the rest.  How are you carrying the Caldwell now?

The JJLoh rest and the carrying case weigh a lot.  Needs a HD handcart to go up the Kokohead slope.
(https://i.imgur.com/9ALEebI.jpg)






Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2021, 06:11:33 AM
Looking for your experiences and recommendations on .22 lr bolt action rifle.  I've long wanted a .22 lr bolt action, or even a 10/22, but never got around to it.  When my centerfire bolt action comes in, I might as well maximize my time at HPD, so .22 lr bolt actions seems next on the list. 

I've shot Savage BA .22 lr a lot over the years.  Seems like a very solid rifle, readily available (in normal times), and very fun to shoot.  I've shot some others over the years, but none that stood out. CZ, Ruger, etc. 

Was going more research lately and read that some have issues with the Savage trigger, or something not to their liking.  I thought the Savage .22 lr BA rifle triggers were ok, or at least didn't notice anything bad about them.

Anyone who has been in the market for .22 lr BA, how available are they locally as of late?  I should run down to LGSs and check them out.  I'd want to try to buy one through a LGS as first choice, but I'm ok with ordering online.
I have shot quite a few BA .22’s and my favs are Anshcutz and in the lower price category I would say the CZ’s are about the best for the buck. The Savages and Rugers are all nice as well. The Ruger Precision Rimfire is nice but a little unrefined. But of course the price is good. I don’t have much experience with the Savage.

Are you looking for more of a plinker or are you wanting to do serious target work? If target, if you can find a nice Anshcutz I suggest you try it out if you can. You may never want to go back to anything else. If just for plinking any of the .22’s on the market would be okay. If you want something older a Model 52 cannot be beat for smoothness and accuracy.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on October 11, 2021, 08:12:24 AM
I have shot quite a few BA .22’s and my favs are Anshcutz and in the lower price category I would say the CZ’s are about the best for the buck. The Savages and Rugers are all nice as well. The Ruger Precision Rimfire is nice but a little unrefined. But of course the price is good. I don’t have much experience with the Savage.

Are you looking for more of a plinker or are you wanting to do serious target work? If target, if you can find a nice Anshcutz I suggest you try it out if you can. You may never want to go back to anything else. If just for plinking any of the .22’s on the market would be okay. If you want something older a Model 52 cannot be beat for smoothness and accuracy.

'spector!
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2021, 08:22:24 AM
'spector!
Mac Salad!  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: dogman on October 11, 2021, 08:26:47 AM
'spector!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2021, 08:31:58 AM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
My Revolver Ohana!  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 11, 2021, 11:55:25 AM
My Revolver Ohana!  :shaka:
He’s alive!!! We finally got him back!!!  :geekdanc: :shaka:

Miss shooting and chatting with you and the black powdah crew
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 11, 2021, 12:29:33 PM
He’s alive!!! We finally got him back!!!  :geekdanc: :shaka:

Miss shooting and chatting with you and the black powdah crew
Same! I miss everyone there and here in the forum. I am glad my wife doesn’t require 24/7 care and I have some time I can put back into the forum.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on October 11, 2021, 12:50:45 PM
Mac Salad!  :rofl:

heads
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 11, 2021, 07:16:22 PM
If you want something older a Model 52 cannot be beat for smoothness and accuracy.

See?..... My man!!!  :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: He knows his stuff. Considering what people are spending on trainer builds, 52s aren't that expensive IMO. Finding some "tactical" AR looking chassis is out of the question but they will flat out shoot. They feel like a man rifle not some plastic toy how some of the new rifles feel. I wish I had like 10. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 12, 2021, 05:02:58 AM
See?..... My man!!!  :shaka: :shaka: :shaka: He knows his stuff. Considering what people are spending on trainer builds, 52s aren't that expensive IMO. Finding some "tactical" AR looking chassis is out of the question but they will flat out shoot. They feel like a man rifle not some plastic toy how some of the new rifles feel. I wish I had like 10. ;D ;D ;D
Sugi!!!!

It is hard to describe how a Model 52 feels. There is something about the older craftsmanship that can only be felt not conveyed through words. The heavy barrel version will out shoot most modern guns without any mods. The sporter barrel version is almost as accurate but much lighter. It is on my list right up there with a Python.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on October 12, 2021, 09:54:49 AM
Is there a big difference in accuracy between the Eley Match (black box) flat nose vs the round nose.  Looks like there's only the flat nose available...haven't seen the round nose available online.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 12, 2021, 08:00:24 PM
Sugi!!!!

It is hard to describe how a Model 52 feels. There is something about the older craftsmanship that can only be felt not conveyed through words. The heavy barrel version will out shoot most modern guns without any mods. The sporter barrel version is almost as accurate but much lighter. It is on my list right up there with a Python.

I'll probably show my age but much like cars, they don't make them like they used to.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 12, 2021, 08:10:23 PM
Is there a big difference in accuracy between the Eley Match (black box) flat nose vs the round nose.  Looks like there's only the flat nose available...haven't seen the round nose available online.

I've never shot the Eley FN but I shoot the SK Flatnose Purple and Violet box. I really like the SK Purple FN and prefer that over the Red box. Eley black box IMO is hard to beat for accuracy vs cost. For some reason, Tenex has been super finicky IME. I prefer Lapua Center X over Tenex for that reason. I'll trade you some if you want to try.

IME many will say it depends on what your barrel likes. That is true to some degree. Good quality ammo is consistent period. Mine may like Center X, yours Eley Black. Either way they will all shoot decent. When you get to the low to mid range ammo, there's too much deficiencies. 100y tells you so much more than 50y.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 12, 2021, 08:13:26 PM
SK, Wolf is Lapua related. Same plant may not be on the same press as their higher lines have a dedicated line to run on. The machine is on their lot numbers but I don't know how to tell that. Just the velocity. I've heard line 1 is the good $hit
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on October 12, 2021, 08:29:24 PM
Wolf ammo now made by eley
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 12, 2021, 08:48:52 PM
Wolf ammo now made by eley
Good to know. I thought their 22lr line was discontinued,
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on October 15, 2021, 09:43:45 PM
Is there a big difference in accuracy between the Eley Match (black box) flat nose vs the round nose.  Looks like there's only the flat nose available...haven't seen the round nose available online.

The flat nose seems to be geared more to the 50m game. Eley higher end line has gone to flat nose.
Claims are that there is a gain in accuracy..
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 15, 2021, 11:03:20 PM
The flat nose seems to be geared more to the 50m game. Eley higher end line has gone to flat nose.
Claims are that there is a gain in accuracy..

I think you are right.

I ordered an Anschutz 2013 Lilja stainless BR barrel, and it came cut specifically with the Eley Match EPS (flat nose) chamber.
Must be good for Lilja to cut the chamber like this.

And, as you noted, the higher-end Eley all have this flat nose configuration.

Guess what?  The EPS flat nose bullet in the Eley Tenex (red) shoots real good in this barrel...... go figure.......... 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2021, 09:24:54 AM
Same! I miss everyone there and here in the forum. I am glad my wife doesn’t require 24/7 care and I have some time I can put back into the forum.
Good to have you back.  I haven’t been shooting that much lately due to work and just came back from a 10 day vacation (much needed).  I now have a rough ETA on my two centerfire rifles, so looking forward to those. 

Good to have you contributing to the firearms threads.  Good to have diversity on firearms interests and backgrounds.  Also miss others from the black powder group.  I can’t think of one guy’s name, but remember he had a number of commie rifles.  I could look up the threads, but I tight take me a while. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 16, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
Good to have you back.  I haven’t been shooting that much lately due to work and just came back from a 10 day vacation (much needed).  I now have a rough ETA on my two centerfire rifles, so looking forward to those. 

Good to have you contributing to the firearms threads.  Good to have diversity on firearms interests and backgrounds.  Also miss others from the black powder group.  I can’t think of one guy’s name, but remember he had a number of commie rifles.  I could look up the threads, but I tight take me a while.
Glad to hear you are taking care of yourself by taking time off. It is very important. Text me and let me know what rifles you are getting? Have not talked to you in a while.

Yeah I know how you feel. I miss my peeps from the black powder group, too. Not sure who you are referring to? My memory is not too good these days about people, dates and times. Didn’t even realize it was Saturday until I looked a few minutes ago. Thought it was still Friday. Doh! 😖 But because it is Saturday that means my wife missed it too cuz we do date night at the local pizza joint on Friday nights. 😂 We’ll go tonight. The owner ordered a special beer for me to try. She probably thinks I skipped out on her. 😂
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2021, 11:46:28 AM
Glad to hear you are taking care of yourself by taking time off. It is very important. Text me and let me know what rifles you are getting? Have not talked to you in a while.

Yeah I know how you feel. I miss my peeps from the black powder group, too. Not sure who you are referring to? My memory is not too good these days about people, dates and times. Didn’t even realize it was Saturday until I looked a few minutes ago. Thought it was still Friday. Doh! 😖 But because it is Saturday that means my wife missed it too cuz we do date night at the local pizza joint on Friday nights. 😂 We’ll go tonight. The owner ordered a special beer for me to try. She probably thinks I skipped out on her. 😂
It’s dustoff. He had a couple of rifles, I want to say SKS-type. Hakim and another one? I’d have to look up the thread.

For the rifles, it’s in a couple of threads. But couple of custom builds with Defiance actions. Started as “just” as .308 rifle. Then grew into a second action, to barreled action in 6.5 CM, and soon to be complete rifle.  :crazy:

I wanted an upgrade to my current .308 Rem 700 and kinda went full rahtard haha. Gotta maximize the rifle permit and trip to register. Tho with the updated process, a lot easier. I am still in the market for a .22 rifle, but those center fire rifles took up a bunch of my “gun funds”.  :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 16, 2021, 11:59:04 AM
It’s dustoff. He had a couple of rifles, I want to say SKS-type. Hakim and another one? I’d have to look up the thread.

For the rifles, it’s in a couple of threads. But couple of custom builds with Defiance actions. Started as “just” as .308 rifle. Then grew into a second action, to barreled action in 6.5 CM, and soon to be complete rifle.  :crazy:

I wanted an upgrade to my current .308 Rem 700 and kinda went full rahtard haha. Gotta maximize the rifle permit and trip to register. Tho with the updated process, a lot easier. I am still in the market for a .22 rifle, but those center fire rifles took up a bunch of my “gun funds”.  :(
I have not heard from Dustoff for a while. I’ll text him and find out how he is doing. He moved down Tuscon way and we sort of lost touch.

I have not shot most of my rifles since I moved here. I have been concentrating on concealed and constitutional carry. It takes a lot of practice. So it has been mostly pistol shooting for me since I moved here. It’s not as easy as it seems if you want to do it right and you want to do it well.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2021, 12:13:16 PM
I have not heard from Dustoff for a while. I’ll text him and find out how he is doing. He moved down Tuscon way and we sort of lost touch.

I have not shot most of my rifles since I moved here. I have been concentrating on concealed and constitutional carry. It takes a lot of practice. So it has been mostly pistol shooting for me since I moved here. It’s not as easy as it seems if you want to do it right and you want to do it well.
Would be cool if you could reconnect with him.  Cool guy.  I had sold him an AK mount, but then got to know him better through shooting with you folks 

Shooting is definitely a perishable skill, an aspect that I've unfortunately experienced more over the last couple of years for various reasons (COVID, work busy-ness, ammo situation, etc).  Admittedly, a lot of that is laziness as I have time, but many times just choose to relax at home over the weekend.   :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 16, 2021, 12:30:11 PM
Would be cool if you could reconnect with him.  Cool guy.  I had sold him an AK mount, but then got to know him better through shooting with you folks 

Shooting is definitely a perishable skill, an aspect that I've unfortunately experienced more over the last couple of years for various reasons (COVID, work busy-ness, ammo situation, etc).  Admittedly, a lot of that is laziness as I have time, but many times just choose to relax at home over the weekend.   :(
When my wife needed almost 24/7 care/help from Feb - July I didn’t shoot at all. Couldn’t leave her just in case. Then after I had the opportunity to start going again I chose not to go at first. Just sat around and did nothing. I finally got off my butt and started shooting again. I’m going at least twice a week. But then I was not reloading and not keeping up with my shooting so I started to run out of 9mm. And I didn’t pay attention until I was almost out. So I am working on making some everyday.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on October 17, 2021, 07:23:14 PM
Just taking a peek down the “rabbit hole”.  The more I research the more scary it looks.  Bought a CZ 457 but my scope was damage during shipping so it’s going back for warranty.  Area 419 arca rail seem to be lost in transit (3 weeks since they shipped).  Of course there’s no ammo.  I’ll try the CZ for a while before I decide if I’ll spend the money for a Vudoo.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 09:14:41 AM
When my wife needed almost 24/7 care/help from Feb - July I didn’t shoot at all. Couldn’t leave her just in case. Then after I had the opportunity to start going again I chose not to go at first. Just sat around and did nothing. I finally got off my butt and started shooting again. I’m going at least twice a week. But then I was not reloading and not keeping up with my shooting so I started to run out of 9mm. And I didn’t pay attention until I was almost out. So I am working on making some everyday.
Yeah, I remember that from checking in with ya a while back.  Good to hear she's on the mend.  Sometimes starting the new routine is the hardest part.  That said, I need to get my a$$ in gear and start loading up for 9 mm.  I'm still good on factory stuff, but could to iron out a "production" load. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 09:15:54 AM
Just taking a peek down the “rabbit hole”.  The more I research the more scary it looks.  Bought a CZ 457 but my scope was damage during shipping so it’s going back for warranty.  Area 419 arca rail seem to be lost in transit (3 weeks since they shipped).  Of course there’s no ammo.  I’ll try the CZ for a while before I decide if I’ll spend the money for a Vudoo.
Jump in!  The water is wet  ;D

CZ457 seems to have high marks from my research. 

Who did you order your arca rail from? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on October 18, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Ordered the arca rail, clamp, & scope base from Area 419.  22 seem like a lot of fun and challenging with the tradewinds.  If I can be somewhat accurate a 100yds then I'll ask a friend to shoot at his place...Maybe 200yds.  Is 200yds with the tradewinds even realistic? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 11:12:08 AM
Ordered the arca rail, clamp, & scope base from Area 419.  22 seem like a lot of fun and challenging with the tradewinds.  If I can be somewhat accurate a 100yds then I'll ask a friend to shoot at his place...Maybe 200yds.  Is 200yds with the tradewinds even realistic?
Ahh, gotcha.  I ordered an arca clamp from them and it came in quickly.  I'll likely be ordering another (maybe 2) and maybe a bottom arca track/rail. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: aieahound on October 18, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
  Is 200yds with the tradewinds even realistic?

I have no experience but some guys from rim fire central.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141787
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 18, 2021, 12:18:20 PM
I have no experience but some guys from rim fire central.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141787
Rimfire Central is an every day forum visit for me. I hang out mostly in the High Standard and Ammunition Forums. Most everyone there is much more knowledgeable than I am so I mostly lurk and learn from the experts.  :worship: :worship: :worship:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 12:19:43 PM
Rimfire Central is an every day forum visit for me. I hang out mostly in the High Standard and Ammunition Forums. Most everyone there is much more knowledgeable than I am so I mostly lurk and learn from the experts.  :worship: :worship: :worship:
Have someone put together a HS 106 replacement spring set and send it my way.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on October 18, 2021, 12:32:51 PM
Have someone put together a HS 106 replacement spring set and send it my way.  :thumbsup:
Www.interarmstx.com owner’s name is Alan Aronstein. Call him if you don’t find what you need. He is THE person for HS parts and service. Hey, you know, he has some gunsmiths from the last of the original HS factory. Maybe you just want to send the gun to them to be cleaned and have the driving spring (and any others) replaced and just an overall checkup service. Alan and his gunsmiths are highly recommended.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 12:55:04 PM
Www.interarmstx.com owner’s name is Alan Aronstein. Call him if you don’t find what you need. He is THE person for HS parts and service. Hey, you know, he has some gunsmiths from the last of the original HS factory. Maybe you just want to send the gun to them to be cleaned and have the driving spring (and any others) replaced and just an overall checkup service. Alan and his gunsmiths are highly recommended.
Thanks!  I will have to look into that.  Total bummer to take the gun to the range and nothing due to springs. . .  :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 18, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Rimfire Central is an every day forum visit for me. I hang out mostly in the High Standard and Ammunition Forums. Most everyone there is much more knowledgeable than I am so I mostly lurk and learn from the experts.  :worship: :worship: :worship:

I've learned long ago to stay away from all forums. I haven't gone to RFC in years, I was once on there constantly. I use to only visit this forum for the classifieds for a long time until these recent 22 threads. FML.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
I've learned long ago to stay away from all forums. I haven't gone to RFC in years, I was once on there constantly. I use to only visit this forum for the classifieds for a long time until these recent 22 threads. FML.
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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 18, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
Just taking a peek down the “rabbit hole”.  The more I research the more scary it looks.  Bought a CZ 457 but my scope was damage during shipping so it’s going back for warranty.  Area 419 arca rail seem to be lost in transit (3 weeks since they shipped).  Of course there’s no ammo.  I’ll try the CZ for a while before I decide if I’ll spend the money for a Vudoo.


good choice IMO. Both rifle and Area 419 stuff. They make the best pic rail to dovetail adaptor.  My one negative about the CZ is that it isn't drilled and tapped. Don't look into Lilja Barrels for it, you might just slip and fall right into the hole without even knowing it.  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 18, 2021, 07:45:30 PM
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I am fighting all temptation about commenting on your precision rifle chassis and stock thread. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 07:47:50 PM
I am fighting all temptation about commenting on your precision rifle chassis and stock thread.
Do it  :P

I’m already well into the deep end there. Stuff already paid for.  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on October 18, 2021, 09:09:33 PM

good choice IMO. Both rifle and Area 419 stuff. They make the best pic rail to dovetail adaptor.  My one negative about the CZ is that it isn't drilled and tapped. Don't look into Lilja Barrels for it, you might just slip and fall right into the hole without even knowing it.  ;D

I bought my wife a Dan Wesson TCP & Vigil as a trade off for buying this CZ.  Anymore down the rabbit hole and she’ll ask for a Wilson Combat.  😂…. I’ve been doing some research on the Lilja barrels and that would be my next upgrade.  I bought the CZ 457 Precision Chassis MTR…I’ll see how it shoots with the match chamber.  Everyone at Kokohead has been really helpful with plenty of suggestions. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on October 19, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
Ordered the arca rail, clamp, & scope base from Area 419.  22 seem like a lot of fun and challenging with the tradewinds.  If I can be somewhat accurate a 100yds then I'll ask a friend to shoot at his place...Maybe 200yds.  Is 200yds with the tradewinds even realistic?

200 yards is realistic even in this wind! I just had my first 200 yard session with my Savage Mark2 TR and am happy to report that even with the wind I got on this cowbell pretty quickly. Figure about a foot tall? That's with Aguila SE High Velocity and CCI MiniMags. The Aguila isn't great, the MiniMags are the one HV round my rifle likes.

This belongs on a new thread: There's an opportunity to do 50-200 yard rimfire shooting at Koko Head. Who knows the guys who run the show? Carl on the Silhouette side and Mike overall, right?

My 200 yard session was alongside the Big Bore match (3rd Sundays). Are there any events on the Big Bore side on 1st and 2nd Sundays? I don't believe so, but who knows. I'd chip in for plates and hangers. Set 'em up before the range opens and refresh the paint during the occasional cease fire.

Where else can one shoot 200 yards?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2021, 04:21:22 PM
Have been eyeing CZ 457 Varmint and AT One lately. Both for out of box as well as other options.

Not much stock locally on 22 rifles, so been surfing online. There are a decent amount available online.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
200 yards is realistic even in this wind! I just had my first 200 yard session with my Savage Mark2 TR and am happy to report that even with the wind I got on this cowbell pretty quickly. Figure about a foot tall? That's with Aguila SE High Velocity and CCI MiniMags. The Aguila isn't great, the MiniMags are the one HV round my rifle likes.

This belongs on a new thread: There's an opportunity to do 50-200 yard rimfire shooting at Koko Head. Who knows the guys who run the show? Carl on the Silhouette side and Mike overall, right?

My 200 yard session was alongside the Big Bore match (3rd Sundays). Are there any events on the Big Bore side on 1st and 2nd Sundays? I don't believe so, but who knows. I'd chip in for plates and hangers. Set 'em up before the range opens and refresh the paint during the occasional cease fire.

Where else can one shoot 200 yards?
Love shooting steel. Those look like some fun targets.

For public access, if you know folks who are members of SRGC, there’s usual/occasional 200 yard and more opportunities. At least when I was a member a while back.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on October 23, 2021, 05:43:39 PM
Have been eyeing CZ 457 Varmint and AT One lately. Both for out of box as well as other options.

Not much stock locally on 22 rifles, so been surfing online. There are a decent amount available online.

Going to sight in my CZ tomorrow.  Just got the 457 Precession Chassis MTR.  Hopefully I can at least shoot some decent groups at 50 yds. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2021, 06:13:18 PM
Going to sight in my CZ tomorrow.  Just got the 457 Precession Chassis MTR.  Hopefully I can at least shoot some decent groups at 50 yds.
Awesome!  That’s a nice looking rifle.  I was checking that one out too.  Where’d you pick up or order yours from?

Hope it goes well.  Let us know how it goes. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2021, 06:30:02 PM
https://youtu.be/qMyfV2twcGE
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 23, 2021, 06:32:48 PM
Going to sight in my CZ tomorrow.  Just got the 457 Precession Chassis MTR.  Hopefully I can at least shoot some decent groups at 50 yds.

ESK said tomorrow should have some good conditions. Today the wind was minimal
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on October 24, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
Done it again! 200 yards with my 22 is a ton of fun.

Bench, bipod, squeeze bag. Cake. So much fun. The pig (50 yard small bore match size) doesn't fall over, just rocks and turns. The square plate didn't move much either.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on October 24, 2021, 11:58:44 PM
Done it again! 200 yards with my 22 is a ton of fun.

Bench, bipod, squeeze bag. Cake. So much fun. The pig (50 yard small bore match size) doesn't fall over, just rocks and turns. The square plate didn't move much either.
You shoot 200 on the silhouette side?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on October 25, 2021, 11:42:56 AM
Yes, trying to get more interest in that. Right now it's not an organized thing. I ask the RO in charge for permission. They all know and trust me so I get the green light.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on October 29, 2021, 08:29:47 PM
And then there's cone breach and "clocking" barrels.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc: I told you the rabbit hole is deeper than you think.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Found the article I was looking for last week about clocking barrels or "barrel indexing"   It's near the bottom of this article.

https://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek080/
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 30, 2021, 08:03:26 PM

Found the article I was looking for last week about clocking barrels or "barrel indexing"   It's near the bottom of this article.

https://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek080/

Whoah you digging up old articles.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on October 30, 2021, 08:06:11 PM
Accurate Shooters is an amazing resource for precision shooting. It will also F@#K up you CC bills.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2021, 07:07:07 AM

Found the article I was looking for last week about clocking barrels or "barrel indexing"   It's near the bottom of this article.

https://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek080/

Accurate Shooters is an amazing resource for precision shooting. It will also F@#K up you CC bills.

must. . . resist. . . getting. . . anywhere. . . near. . .that. . . rabbit. . . . . . . . . hole  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2021, 07:10:33 AM
Decisions, decisions. . .

End of last week, I decided I was going to buy a CZ 457 At One from Buds.  It has been in stock for a while and I was searching around.  I "decide" to buy, but I wasn't able to before I had to leave early Friday morning for a weekend trip.  I sign in on Sat morning, sold. . . there are other available on GunBroker, but many have to verify shipping to HI.  While in the process of doing that, the sale ended.  Checking with a couple other vendors now.  A couple have good prices and a couple are at least $100 over.

Then I get the call from a LGS that I'm next on the list for a CZ 457 Varmint.  Another rifle that I was seriously eyeballing.  It's in stock, locally and for a good price. . .
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 02, 2021, 10:15:01 AM
I just got my CZ 457 and love it.  The only thing that I should have expected was that I’m already looking to get an aftermarket barrel and new chassis.  Maybe I’ll just change the butt stock on mine.  Shooting 22 is pretty addictive.  Challenging to adjust for wind holds…everyday is different.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2021, 10:40:40 AM
I just got my CZ 457 and love it.  The only thing that I should have expected was that I’m already looking to get an aftermarket barrel and new chassis.  Maybe I’ll just change the butt stock on mine.  Shooting 22 is pretty addictive.  Challenging to adjust for wind holds…everyday is different.
I hear ya, or (jokingly) should be not listening.   ;D

Will see where I end up.  The At One has a lot of adjustment, which is one of the main reasons I want that model.  There's the CZ precision chassis as well, but quite a bit more.  I was def tempted. 

The challenge, wind, etc is why I want (and have long wanted to) get into 22 rifles. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on November 02, 2021, 11:22:04 AM
The challenge, wind, etc is why I want (and have long wanted to) get into 22 rifles.

100% what makes 22 so much fun. Helps how much cheaper it can be. "Can" because all bets are off once you enter the rabbit hole.

Given a 90-degree 10mph wind: a 1080fps 40gr 22LR bullet drifts as much at 100 yards as a 2800fps 190gr Sierra MatchKing .308 bullet does at 250 yards.

Hope to see you on the range soon, drck1000.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2021, 11:36:55 AM
100% what makes 22 so much fun. Helps how much cheaper it can be. "Can" because all bets are off once you enter the rabbit hole.

Given a 90-degree 10mph wind: a 1080fps 40gr 22LR bullet drifts as much at 100 yards as a 2800fps 190gr Sierra MatchKing .308 bullet does at 250 yards.

Hope to see you on the range soon, drck1000.
Been avoiding sliding deeper down the rabbit hole, but the "dark side" is calling.  Having folks like you, esk, Bushido, etc at various "depths" of 22 rabbit hole is helpful. 

Wow!  190 gr pills pushing 2800 fps!  :o  I'd have to check my notes, but I think my 168-175 gr loads are in the mid-2400 fps on lower end (Varget) to approaching 2600 fps on the higher end (8208 and another powder, but can't think of it right now). 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 02, 2021, 12:28:59 PM
Been avoiding sliding deeper down the rabbit hole, but the "dark side" is calling.  Having folks like you, esk, Bushido, etc at various "depths" of 22 rabbit hole is helpful. 

Wow!  190 gr pills pushing 2800 fps!  :o  I'd have to check my notes, but I think my 168-175 gr loads are in the mid-2400 fps on lower end (Varget) to approaching 2600 fps on the higher end (8208 and another powder, but can't think of it right now).

If you don't want to go down the hole, don't shoot Esk, Bushido's guns.  Come shoot my cheapo one.  With zero wind, my 22 head drops about 7 inches at 100 yards. I'm zero'd for 50. CCI-Standard Velocity.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2021, 01:28:33 PM
If you don't want to go down the hole, don't shoot Esk, Bushido's guns.  Come shoot my cheapo one.  With zero wind, my 22 head drops about 7 inches at 100 yards. I'm zero'd for 50. CCI-Standard Velocity.
No guarantee on the first, both shooting their rifles (if they are so gracious to offer) or even buying one of them. . .  :shake:

That said, I don't want to shoot your rifles.  But one day, we can do small kine competition.  O0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 02, 2021, 05:39:31 PM
No guarantee on the first, both shooting their rifles (if they are so gracious to offer) or even buying one of them. . .  :shake:

That said, I don't want to shoot your rifles.  But one day, we can do small kine competition.  O0
U too gud for the cheap stuff eh?

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 02, 2021, 05:55:26 PM
U too gud for the cheap stuff eh?

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Uh, no.  The opposite actually.  I want to shoot the cheap stuff. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on November 03, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
My philosophy: Keep it cheap, you'll shoot more and get better faster. Once you can outshoot the cheap stuff then spend serious money.

This is a big reason why I'm promoting 200 yards at Koko Head. I want to see how the big bucks rifles do out there. Then again, I wouldn't blame a guy for not wanting to put a ton of Lapua Center-X snd such down range. Already the "cheap" stuff I'm playing with is about $0.15 per shot.

Oh and drck1000: When I compared wind drift before the 190gr at 2800fps was based on 300WinMag.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 03, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
My philosophy: Keep it cheap, you'll shoot more and get better faster. Once you can outshoot the cheap stuff then spend serious money.

This is a big reason why I'm promoting 200 yards at Koko Head. I want to see how the big bucks rifles do out there. Then again, I wouldn't blame a guy for not wanting to put a ton of Lapua Center-X snd such down range. Already the "cheap" stuff I'm playing with is about $0.15 per shot.

Oh and drck1000: When I compared wind drift before the 190gr at 2800fps was based on 300WinMag.
I want to eventually shoot better ammo, but start of basic and go from there.  Similar approach for my progression/learning with handguns and ARs.  Sticking with mostly stock, particularly triggers (or many years and thousands of rounds) before going with upgraded components.  I've since gone to Geissele in all of my ARs, but I shot for many years with the USGI triggers.  For .22 lr, plan is to stock with basic and then grow from there.  Will I eventually get into custom action, barrels, etc?  Maybe or even likely.  But current plan is to shoot my basic rifle and "normal" stuff ammo first. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 03, 2021, 10:02:11 AM


Oh and drck1000: When I compared wind drift before the 190gr at 2800fps was based on 300WinMag.
Ahh, ok.  2800 fps for .308 is zooming those suckers!   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 03, 2021, 07:10:41 PM
No guarantee on the first, both shooting their rifles (if they are so gracious to offer) or even buying one of them. . .  :shake:

That said, I don't want to shoot your rifles.  But one day, we can do small kine competition.  O0

Funny you mention that, I'm pretty sure esk has at least one Anschutz BR for sell maybe even two. I'll let people try my rifles but I'm a skinny dude so my cheek piece and scope is not set up for avg sized shooter. Lot of times when other shooters get behind my rifles all they see is black then again that just may be the damn rabbit hole.....

I'm down for any type of competition. Inspector and I have tried a few times, not may have posted their targets. Funny I saw people shooting them at the range but few posted. I honestly haven't shot any precision in a really long time. This plandemic caused my pistol skills to go embarrassingly poor, been working on that mostly
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 03, 2021, 07:19:43 PM
My philosophy: Keep it cheap, you'll shoot more and get better faster. Once you can outshoot the cheap stuff then spend serious money.

This is a big reason why I'm promoting 200 yards at Koko Head. I want to see how the big bucks rifles do out there. Then again, I wouldn't blame a guy for not wanting to put a ton of Lapua Center-X snd such down range. Already the "cheap" stuff I'm playing with is about $0.15 per shot.

So the philosophy with shooting "cheap" ammo is... how do you know if the misses are ammo or shooter? What is considered "accurate" for each shooter?  I don't shoot "groups" I don't believe in "fliers", it's shooter. Than again I don't really shoot low end stuff. Mid range or better.

I use to shoot 200 and further on the silhouette side years ago. I never told the RSOs I was doing it and was discrete about it. I go there often but haven't brought the rifles out aside from carbines and off hand rifles. If they would allow it, I'm down.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 04, 2021, 07:15:57 AM
Funny you mention that, I'm pretty sure esk has at least one Anschutz BR for sell maybe even two. I'll let people try my rifles but I'm a skinny dude so my cheek piece and scope is not set up for avg sized shooter. Lot of times when other shooters get behind my rifles all they see is black then again that just may be the damn rabbit hole.....

I'm down for any type of competition. Inspector and I have tried a few times, not may have posted their targets. Funny I saw people shooting them at the range but few posted. I honestly haven't shot any precision in a really long time. This plandemic caused my pistol skills to go embarrassingly poor, been working on that mostly
Yeah, I saw his post.  Damn fine rifle.  It would be like having a teenager who just got his license having a parent buy him a Maybach or Aston Martin. 

I know what you mean about gun setup.  Even for similar builds, face shape or even personal preference can make a big difference.  A buddy met me at the range many months back.  I was shooting my .308 and he his .22.  He shot my rifle and when I shot after him, the gun just felt off.  Couldn't place it, but I couldn't get the eye relief just right.  I didn't notice that he tweaked both the comb height and LOP.  I have the settings in clicks logged, so I could change it back quickly. 

I'm always down for a bit of competition.  I've been meaning to shoot and post targets for the MOA challenge thread, but just haven't been able to.  I have targets with (5) - 5 shot groups, but those are all different test loads.  My new .308 and 6.5 should be shipping later this month and CZ 457 hopefully here well before that. 

Pistol skills is certainly a perishable skill.  I haven't pistol as much the past many months either.  Hopefully things start to ease up and we can all hit the range more. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on November 04, 2021, 05:20:05 PM
As Teichi posted further up, 11/7 is the smallbore match. All are welcome: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41141.0

Once I'm done with the match I'll be moving to the big bore side for some 200 yard action. All are welcome there also.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 04, 2021, 07:18:29 PM
Yeah, I saw his post.  Damn fine rifle.  It would be like having a teenager who just got his license having a parent buy him a Maybach or Aston Martin. 

I know what you mean about gun setup.  Even for similar builds, face shape or even personal preference can make a big difference.  A buddy met me at the range many months back.  I was shooting my .308 and he his .22.  He shot my rifle and when I shot after him, the gun just felt off.  Couldn't place it, but I couldn't get the eye relief just right.  I didn't notice that he tweaked both the comb height and LOP.  I have the settings in clicks logged, so I could change it back quickly. 

I'm always down for a bit of competition.  I've been meaning to shoot and post targets for the MOA challenge thread, but just haven't been able to.  I have targets with (5) - 5 shot groups, but those are all different test loads.  My new .308 and 6.5 should be shipping later this month and CZ 457 hopefully here well before that. 

Pistol skills is certainly a perishable skill.  I haven't pistol as much the past many months either.  Hopefully things start to ease up and we can all hit the range more.

It's funny because esk and our group has seen each other all evolve. I remember when I first met esk he told me he shot 22lr because it was cheap. I smiled and walked away.  ;D

LMK I used to shoot a lot of online matches because nobody would shoot down here. I have some challenging targets that'll humble most. I'm the type that likes to be pushed past my comfort zone. FB had a bunch that I used to shoot but since NRL22 took off in the states, there's not much anymore. Well I rarely FB now so if there was i wouldn't know about them.

Pistol skills are coming back. It was good to be humbled

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 04, 2021, 07:19:51 PM
As Teichi posted further up, 11/7 is the smallbore match. All are welcome: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41141.0

Once I'm done with the match I'll be moving to the big bore side for some 200 yard action. All are welcome there also.

I will shoot the smallbore match sometime. I just always have stuff to do plus I suck at off hand shooting but that's how we get better right?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 04, 2021, 07:26:52 PM
I need to meet everyone.  Just getting started in 22lr and would welcome input from experienced shooters.  Got the ok from the wife to buy a Vudoo in 2022.  Unless I opt for another build, I’ll put my order in June/July.  Just got my CZ and already looking at barrels after just a few times at the range.  Got some match ammo coming in Dec so I’ll see how the rifle shoots with better stuff.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 04, 2021, 08:53:25 PM
It's funny because esk and our group has seen each other all evolve. I remember when I first met esk he told me he shot 22lr because it was cheap. I smiled and walked away.  ;D


CHEAP.   HAH.   :'(

Today, just bought 5 bricks of 22LR, Lapua Midas+ for $18.05  per box of 50 rounds $902.50 ammo + $42.16 shipping to North Dakota.
By the time it gets to Hawaii, going to be about $20 per box of 50 rounds = $0.40 per round.

I was actually very excited today that I actually found some Lapua Midas+ to buy, after being out of stock at every website for months upon months.

$0.40 per round probably more than some centerfire rounds, but this is one of the premium 22LR rounds.  It shoots good in my rifles.

Yes, when I started shooting 22LR at Kokohead, I did it because the rounds were cheap and no need to reload.  HAH    :crazy:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 04, 2021, 09:15:30 PM
Got the ok from the wife to buy a Vudoo in 2022.  Unless I opt for another build, I’ll put my order in June/July. 

You thinking what I'm thinking............... ;)   Me too.

Thinking of a Vudoo V22s,single-shot 22LR (or Stiller's 2500x action), Lidgard BR stock, Bix 'n Andy competition trigger, Muller barrel, match chamber reamed to Eley EPS bullet or a Nevius 22LR chamber, and sent to
someone to build it for me........ probably take 6 months > 2 years.............. :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 06, 2021, 11:12:13 AM
It's funny because esk and our group has seen each other all evolve. I remember when I first met esk he told me he shot 22lr because it was cheap. I smiled and walked away.  ;D

LMK I used to shoot a lot of online matches because nobody would shoot down here. I have some challenging targets that'll humble most. I'm the type that likes to be pushed past my comfort zone. FB had a bunch that I used to shoot but since NRL22 took off in the states, there's not much anymore. Well I rarely FB now so if there was i wouldn't know about them.

Pistol skills are coming back. It was good to be humbled
Yeah, I can see the evolution aspect.  When I first got into firearms, I just wanted to hit the range and stuff.  Then I became friends with some folks who were into the training and competition aspect, and went full bore into that.  Then came ARs and the Black Rifle Disease.  Somewhat similar story about folks who were well down that path giving me advice.  I listened to a lot, but some had to find out for myself.  Expensive lessons in many cases.  I probably got similar "smile and walk away" thoughts from those who I went to at first.  Stuff like "the gun will be the cheap part of this".  I learned that lesson a lonnnngggg time ago. 

I have no problems posting targets.  Even horrible ones.  When training, I tell myself and those I train with that the target is what it is.  It's done, but can always learn from it.  Definitely agree with the needing to push past comfort zone, or at least to push the boundary and find it, in order to grow, improve, etc. 

At one point, I shot in classes with some VERY good shooters.  Instructors and students alike.  Good to line up next to them and just absorb.  There were many times were I saw an instructor demonstrate something, like say a cadence drill with a 21+1 magazine, where the "typical" was 5 or 6 shot cadence strings of fire.  Jaw, on, ground. . .  :o
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 06, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
I need to meet everyone.  Just getting started in 22lr and would welcome input from experienced shooters.  Got the ok from the wife to buy a Vudoo in 2022.  Unless I opt for another build, I’ll put my order in June/July.  Just got my CZ and already looking at barrels after just a few times at the range.  Got some match ammo coming in Dec so I’ll see how the rifle shoots with better stuff.
I should have my 22 rifle middle of next week.  Not sure when the scope base will come in, but I think next week sometime.  I already have a scope and some ammo, so should be good to go soon. 

Oooooh, Vudoo!  I was looking at them and a few other higher end rifles, somewhat/partially seriously.  Going with stock CZ for now, but I wouldn't put money against me posting about upgrades or even going custom rifle before too long.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 06, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
You thinking what I'm thinking............... ;)   Me too.

Thinking of a Vudoo V22s,single-shot 22LR (or Stiller's 2500x action), Lidgard BR stock, Bix 'n Andy competition trigger, Muller barrel, match chamber reamed to Eley EPS bullet or a Nevius 22LR chamber, and sent to
someone to build it for me........ probably take 6 months > 2 years.............. :(
You too?  With all these high(er) end 22 rifles folks getting, going to be tough to resist the call of the dark side.   8)

The longer lead aspect of those higher end rifles was also a turnoff, at least for me right now where I want something soon. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on November 06, 2021, 12:33:31 PM
slippy slope...

Yeah, I can see the evolution aspect.  When I first got into firearms, I just wanted to hit the range and stuff.  Then I became friends with some folks who were into the training and competition aspect, and went full bore into that.  Then came ARs and the Black Rifle Disease.  Somewhat similar story about folks who were well down that path giving me advice.  I listened to a lot, but some had to find out for myself.  Expensive lessons in many cases.  I probably got similar "smile and walk away" thoughts from those who I went to at first.  Stuff like "the gun will be the cheap part of this".  I learned that lesson a lonnnngggg time ago. 

I have no problems posting targets.  Even horrible ones.  When training, I tell myself and those I train with that the target is what it is.  It's done, but can always learn from it.  Definitely agree with the needing to push past comfort zone, or at least to push the boundary and find it, in order to grow, improve, etc. 

At one point, I shot in classes with some VERY good shooters.  Instructors and students alike.  Good to line up next to them and just absorb.  There were many times were I saw an instructor demonstrate something, like say a cadence drill with a 21+1 magazine, where the "typical" was 5 or 6 shot cadence strings of fire.  Jaw, on, ground. . .  :o
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 06, 2021, 01:20:22 PM
Premium 22LR AMMO BECOMING AVAILABLE, SLOWLY SLOWLY

Just visited a few favorite websites to search for premium 22LR ammo for DRCK 1000.
Found that ammo not available a few days ago, are available today.


https://goodshootinginc.com/product-category/rimfire-ammunition/             best place but not much, only few brands available
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/378                   good place, but nothing good today
https://www.killoughshootingsports.com/       all kinds of Eley and Tenex available.  I think Killough is an importer or major distributor of Eley
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/uploads/1/9/9/7/19975381/rws_retail_price_list_110121_list.pdf       Exclusive importer of RWS, but nothing today
https://www.creedmoorsports.com/category/rimfire-ammunition                 I just got Midas+ from them
http://www.champchoice.com/store/main.aspx?p=categoryitemlistBody&c=APRA              Lapua Center-X, and a few available
http://www.brunoshooters.com    All sorts available

Have to order and have them send it to Kaleo Arms in North Dakota, who will then put it on a pallet and ship to Hawaii, almost every month nowadays.
1 Brick minimum, and ask Jennifer to ship for you to Hawaii.      admin@kaleoarms.com
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 06, 2021, 02:15:43 PM
slippy slope...
Meh, I'm regularly sliding full speed down the rabbit hole.  Being busy with work puts the brakes on my slide down that slope.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 06, 2021, 02:21:34 PM
Talked with Kaleo arms and they said the pallet should ship on 11/19.  Need to order asap
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 06, 2021, 02:33:14 PM
Talked with Kaleo arms and they said the pallet should ship on 11/19.  Need to order asap
Thanks!  Yeah, I emailed and Jen replied.  I'm working on it. . .  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 06, 2021, 03:07:00 PM


drck1000 and Akubone1,,

We should talk story between live-fire cycles at Kokohead.

Bushido, 556fun, and I usually on the left-side of the rifle range.

Me and 556fun usually there if prediction is "little or no wind".  (We no like waste ammo.  Or  We just lazy)

Bushido says "wind is my friend" on the prone shooting area.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: pewpewgoesthegun on November 06, 2021, 04:08:48 PM
Talked with Kaleo arms and they said the pallet should ship on 11/19.  Need to order asap

They bring in any 22s at a reasonable price? Last a checked, Jen said things were around 15 cpr
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 06, 2021, 04:36:07 PM

drck1000 and Akubone1,,

We should talk story between live-fire cycles at Kokohead.

Bushido, 556fun, and I usually on the left-side of the rifle range.

Me and 556fun usually there if prediction is "little or no wind".  (We no like waste ammo.  Or  We just lazy)


Sounds awesome.   I’ll gladly accept advice from knowledgeable 22 shooters.  I don’t want to throw money away with the wrong builds.  Definitely let me know the next time you plan on going to kokohead.

Bushido says "wind is my friend" on the prone shooting area.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on November 06, 2021, 06:22:47 PM
I'm not the guy to advise on custom builds and all that rabbit hole stuff.

But I'll be there with my basic Savage Mark 2 TR to shoot the Silhouette match and after lunch for some 200 yard action.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 06, 2021, 07:49:45 PM
Meh, I'm regularly sliding full speed down the rabbit hole.  Being busy with work puts the brakes on my slide down that slope.   ;D

I've long ago resisted the slide down the hole. It will happen faster for some than others. I just figure, YOLO and I could be spending my money on far worst things. Sadly shooting is just one passion of many expensive ones that I have and my income is not quite like esk's.  :geekdanc:

When you get your build ready to zero, LMK. I'm sure esk and the others will come out even if conditions is "Bushido kind wind".  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on November 06, 2021, 08:04:48 PM
this looks promising
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1024257093?pid=384490 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1024257093?pid=384490)

(https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/Primary/283/283542.jpg?imwidth=2200)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 06, 2021, 08:37:55 PM
They bring in any 22 at a reasonable price? Last a checked, Jen said things were around 15 cpr

Pre COVID, you would ask Jennifer to obtain some XX ammo for you. 
Jennifer would check around with her wholesale disributors and get back to you with a price, and shpping to Hawaii.

After ammo supplies disappeared, Jennifer would tell you to find and purchase the ammo, and ship to her business in North Dakota.
She would then accept delivery, put it in her shipment to Hawaii.  You would pay the shipping/handling costs.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 06, 2021, 11:23:04 PM
Quote from: 556fun on August 02, 2018, 05:23:00 PM
LMHO - taste primo ammo once and you’ll be hooked for life.  There is no rehab for this addiction except hara kiri!!!

As a wise old man who wears an orange vest once told me always buy the best!  “Buy once Cry once” But, if you take the road a lot of us has traveled at some point you will go for the golden rifle only to look back and find out how many times you cried once!

Buy the best and just cry once!!!

another shared orange vest wisdom “good is not cheap and cheap is not good”
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: pewpewgoesthegun on November 07, 2021, 02:47:05 PM
Pre COVID, you would ask Jennifer to obtain some XX ammo for you. 
Jennifer would check around with her wholesale disributors and get back to you with a price, and shpping to Hawaii.

After ammo supplies disappeared, Jennifer would tell you to find and purchase the ammo, and ship to her business in North Dakota.
She would then accept delivery, put it in her shipment to Hawaii.  You would pay the shipping costs.

Mahalos, I didn't know about shipping to her in ND  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 07, 2021, 03:58:15 PM
Always best to ask Jennifer for permission to ship to her company: admin@kaleoarms.com
She usually answers in 1/2 day or less.

Have your ammo distributor send your order "UPS Ground"
to Shipping Address:
______________________________________

(Your Name)
c/o Kaleo Arms Inc. (Jennifer Coburn)
10069 51st ST NE
Crary, ND 58327

(Your cellphone #)
______________________________




I have done this many times without any problems.

When it arrives, Jennifer will call or email you to pickup somewhere or in Kapahulu.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 09:05:18 AM
I've long ago resisted the slide down the hole. It will happen faster for some than others. I just figure, YOLO and I could be spending my money on far worst things. Sadly shooting is just one passion of many expensive ones that I have and my income is not quite like esk's.  :geekdanc:

When you get your build ready to zero, LMK. I'm sure esk and the others will come out even if conditions is "Bushido kind wind".  ;D
Yeah, one can always spend money on worse things.  And maybe a bit of both/all for me.   :(  ;D

I also have other expensive hobbies, but shooting is the "main" one right now. 

Will do.  The gun should be here middle of this week and the scope mount hopefully end of the week.  I have some 22 ammo with more on order, so hopefully ready to rock soon.   :geekdanc:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 10:04:59 AM
Always best to ask Jennifer for permission to ship to her company: admin@kaleoarms.com
She usually answers in 1/2 day or less.

SNIP
Yup, I've dealt with Jen and Kaleo Arms a bunch of times in the past.  Super cool and were great to get ammo that were tough to get in Hawaii.  Match rifle ammo, .41 Mag, etc.  Of course the usual calibers. 

I put in an order for some .22 lr.  In doing some research, found some Eley and other "better grade" ammo that were about the same as I found stuff like CCi mini-mags. 

I was able to find some great deals on lots of 5k, but maybe will pursue that in a future order. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on November 08, 2021, 10:19:37 AM
I was able to find some great deals on lots of 5k, but maybe will pursue that in a future order.


Whenever that might be, please let us all know. I expect you'll find some buyers to go on in a case. Enough maybe to do a case of something different. I'd love to try all the fancy stuff in my Savage. Thank you.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 10:32:27 AM

Whenever that might be, please let us all know. I expect you'll find some buyers to go on in a case. Enough maybe to do a case of something different. I'd love to try all the fancy stuff in my Savage. Thank you.
Ahh, roger.  Will do, or at least try to remember. That said, if I forget, I'm always down to share if I end up ordering a 5k lot.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: stangzilla on November 08, 2021, 11:40:15 AM
Talked with Kaleo arms and they said the pallet should ship on 11/19.  Need to order asap

thanks for the info.  I got my order in too. 
KaleoArms are great people providing a great service  :shaka:  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 08, 2021, 11:45:43 AM
Hopefully prices come down a little.  Just ordered a couple of bricks of Eley match and a couple of Center X.  The SK rifle match shot pretty good out of my CZ…hopefully it likes a variety of ammo.  If prices come down I’ll look more into case pricing. 

Too funny and ironic.  Thought I was getting into the cheaper shooting option by going the 22 route.  Wrong…totally opposite.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 08, 2021, 01:14:18 PM


Thought I was getting into the cheaper shooting option by going the 22 route.  Wrong…totally opposite.

Me too......................
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 02:32:18 PM
Hopefully prices come down a little.  Just ordered a couple of bricks of Eley match and a couple of Center X.  The SK rifle match shot pretty good out of my CZ…hopefully it likes a variety of ammo.  If prices come down I’ll look more into case pricing. 

Too funny and ironic.  Thought I was getting into the cheaper shooting option by going the 22 route.  Wrong…totally opposite.
Bushido & Esk-Vader: "Luke (Akubone), come to the dark side"  ;D

I was "kinda" warned from another shooting buddy who is quite pake, but also loves shooting .22 lr.  Very interesting dynamic there.   :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on November 08, 2021, 02:34:13 PM
Me too......................

and that's how movements get their start
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 02:34:58 PM
thanks for the info.  I got my order in too. 
KaleoArms are great people providing a great service  :shaka:  :shaka:
I was texting Inspector to get some scoops on who he recommended I check out for .22 lr ammo.  One site had great prices, but min order by the 5k batch.  I not gonna like, I was tempted to be like "ah, fcuk it, I might as well splurge" and buy a couple of 5k batches.   
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on November 08, 2021, 02:42:00 PM
I was texting Inspector to get some scoops on who he recommended I check out for .22 lr ammo.  One site had great prices, but min order by the 5k batch.  I not gonna like, I was tempted to be like "ah, fcuk it, I might as well splurge" and buy a couple of 5k batches.   
Had to have been Bruno’s. They are a good place to order from. Heavies turned me on to them. I think they are offering free shipping on cases as well?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 03:17:39 PM
Had to have been Bruno’s. They are a good place to order from. Heavies turned me on to them. I think they are offering free shipping on cases as well?
Yeah, from your helpful feedback.  From what I recall, I think it was free shipping on the 5k.  I would have to check though.  I'll be keeping them in my bookmarked sites. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 10, 2021, 05:28:31 PM

Anybody going Kokohead tomorrow?  Federal Holiday

Kokohead open 8>4

Look like no wind.  If so, going mid-morning..........

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 10, 2021, 05:52:09 PM
I gotta work tomorrow.  But, my CZ457 arrived at the FFL Monday and I am mostly likely going to pick it up tomorrow.  Looks like the scope base is supposed to arrive early next week.  So will hopefully register middle of next week and maybe shooting by next weekend.   :geekdanc:

My ammo order to Kaleo shipped today, so hopefully will have that for some shootin' in December.   8)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 10, 2021, 08:18:43 PM
I gotta work tomorrow.  But, my CZ457 arrived at the FFL Monday and I am mostly likely going to pick it up tomorrow.  Looks like the scope base is supposed to arrive early next week.  So will hopefully register middle of next week and maybe shooting by next weekend.   :geekdanc:

My ammo order to Kaleo shipped today, so hopefully will have that for some shootin' in December.   8)

Quote from CZ:
 "Like all of our 457s, it has an 11mm dovetail milled into the top of its receiver for attaching scope ring mounts."

You don't need scope bases.  Only scope rings with an 11mm dovetail, unless you want a picatinny base...........
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 10, 2021, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from CZ:
 "Like all of our 457s, it has an 11mm dovetail milled into the top of its receiver for attaching scope ring mounts."

You don't need scope bases.  Only scope rings with an 11mm dovetail, unless you want a picatinny base...........
Gotcha. But I already have the Area 419 scope base on the way. That was so I can use the scope off of my Rem 700 with the same rings. Somewhat versatility for all my rifle scopes. Thanks tho
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 12:16:56 PM
Picked up the CZ 457 yesterday.  Thank you (as always) to Devin @ Bushido Arms for your support for the 2a community, and enabling my gun buying "affliction"  ;D  Now I am considering adding a 9 mm AR to the list when I have to register these rifles.   8)

Seriously, Devin is great!  I have gotten to know him over the years and he's an awesome and consistent supporter of 2a community.  Lots of very active support for shooting sports (beyond just his shop/store), active with the legislative stuff (convos with him about this stuff can last a while), and more.

Got the rifle home, and was pleasantly surprised by the Area 419 scope base was delivered many days early.  So instead of working most of the afternoon, I HAD to get the rifle put together with the scope base and the scope that I had ready for it.  The scope and rings came up my original Rem 700 setup and the rings are quite low.  After setting the eye relief, it worked out ok, but rings a skosh higher would probably work better/best.  But overall I am happy with the setup. 

Don't think I'll be able to take it out to the range until next weekend, but it's ready to go.   :geekdanc:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 12, 2021, 02:26:25 PM


Don't think I'll be able to take it out to the range until next weekend, but it's ready to go.   :geekdanc:

Sounds like it's ready to go tomorrow or Sunday.  Looks like little or no wind this weekend, with Sunday
looking a little better than Saturday.  (Gotta check late tonight on windy.com)

Oh, by the way, met Akubone1 yesterday at Kokohead...............  :D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
Sounds like it's ready to go tomorrow or Sunday.  Looks like little or no wind this weekend, with Sunday
looking a little better than Saturday.  (Gotta check late tonight on windy.com)

Oh, by the way, met Akubone1 yesterday at Kokohead...............  :D
It's ready to go now.  Put on the scope base and mounted and positioned the scope yesterday. 

Looks like I will be working most of the weekend.  Otherwise, I would likely try to hit up the range.  I have some ammo too.  My order coming via Kaleo Arms shipped yesterday too.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 12, 2021, 08:04:31 PM
Sounds like it's ready to go tomorrow or Sunday.  Looks like little or no wind this weekend, with Sunday
looking a little better than Saturday.  (Gotta check late tonight on windy.com)

Oh, by the way, met Akubone1 yesterday at Kokohead...............  :D

Yup esk808’s rifle is something to behold.  Was scared to even look at it.  Shoots as good as it looks .  Thankful for the pointers.  Esk808 is a class act and willing to help a newbie.  Thank you.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 08:31:33 PM
Yup esk808’s rifle is something to behold.  Was scared to even look at it.  Shoots as good as it looks .  Thankful for the pointers.  Esk808 is a class act and willing to help a newbie.  Thank you.
The trigger was that sensitive?   :P

Good stuff!  Always good to hear folks shooting and sharing the enjoyment with others.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 15, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
Veterans Day, Saturday and Sunday were fairly windless, and was good to test ammo.

Took 1 BR rifle each of 3 days to Kokohead.  Shot 2 boxes each (100rds) of Eley Tenex, Lapua Midas+, and RWS R50 through each rifle each day (300rds total)

Thursday: Anschutz 54.18 BR50 with 0.960" Lilja barrel
                 Test target that came with rifle shoots Midas+ and R50 real good. Tight match chamber for Lapua bullet.  Eley Tenex not too good-shot wider groups, but
                  as expected, Midas+ and R50 shoots good.

Saturday: Anschutz 54.30 KelblyBRFB stock with 0.900" Shilen barrel
                Again, same results as above, since both rifles built by Anschutz Custom Shop

Sunday:  Anschutz 2013 Shehane stock with the 0.900" Lilja barrel direct from Lilja with Eley Match EPS bullet chamber reamer Lilja uses.
               Shot Eley Tenex the best, since EPS bullet is the same flatnose bullet.

A match chamber reamer for a name-brand barrel (Lilja, Shilen, Benchmark, Muller), cut specifically, for instance, for a Lapua/Eley EPS bullet makes a big difference.

556fun had his Turbo3 BR rifle with a Shilen barrel, match chamber cut for Lapua CenterX, shoots CenterX the best............... makes sense.

Since I have 2 different rimfire tuners (Harrell & BeeSting), my next project is to try and tighten the groups of the "not so good ammo for this rifle" ammo with a tuner.
I think I can tighten the groups to shoot close to the "best ammo for the rifle" groups.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on November 15, 2021, 01:36:11 PM
While shooting in the rain I experienced a 2MOA drop in elevation with std vel 22LR out my CLE upper. I know not bolt but I thought it was interesting. I'm guessing it was the humidity  O0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 15, 2021, 01:55:52 PM
While shooting in the rain I experienced a 2MOA drop in elevation with std vel 22LR out my CLE upper. I know not bolt but I thought it was interesting. I'm guessing it was the humidity  O0

Could be the rain/humidity, or maybe if you take off/put back on your scope.  I always take off my scope when cleaning and put it back on... the next time at Kokohead, it needs 1 or 2 clicks or some more to get back on the X mark.

Was this yesterday?  Rain started at 11:30am, and I was just getting into my car to go home.

Next time you at Kokohead, ask Mitch, Leonard, Slick or Keith F. if I am there.  Would like to meet up with you  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2021, 02:14:05 PM
Veterans Day, Saturday and Sunday were fairly windless, and was good to test ammo.

Took 1 BR rifle each of 3 days to Kokohead.  Shot 2 boxes each (100rds) of Eley Tenex, Lapua Midas+, and RWS R50 through each rifle each day (300rds total)

Thursday: Anschutz 54.18 BR50 with 0.0960" Lilja barrel
                 Test target that came with rifle shoots Midas+ and R50 real good. Tight match chamber for Lapua bullet.  Eley Tenex not too good-shot wider groups, but
                  as expected, Midas+ and R50 shoots good.

Saturday: Anschutz 54.30 KelblyBRFB stock with 0.0900" Shilen barrel
                Again, same results as above, since both rifles built by Anschutz Custom Shop

Sunday:  Anschutz 2013 Shehane stock with the 0.900" Lilja barrel direct from Lilja with Eley Match EPS bullet chamber reamer Lilja uses.
               Shot Eley Tenex the best, since EPS bullet is the same flatnose bullet.

A match chamber reamer for a name-brand barrel (Lilja, Shilen, Benchmark, Muller), cut specifically, for instance, for a Lapua/Eley EPS bullet makes a big difference.

556fun had his Turbo3 BR rifle with a Shilen barrel, match chamber cut for Lapua CenterX, shoots CenterX the best............... makes sense.

Since I have 2 different rimfire tuners (Harrell & BeeSting), my next project is to try and tighten the groups of the "not so good ammo for this rifle" ammo with a tuner.
I think I can tighten the groups to shoot close to the "best ammo for the rifle" groups.
Awesome! 

But I have to admit one of my initial thoughts were, "damn, that's a lot of cleaning".

Seriously, on the subject of cleaning, I'm glad I did more reading on cleaning of CZ 457.  Seems like the typical/standard .22 rimfire coated rods do not work well with the CZ 457.  Dewey as a couple of other rods were mentioned.  I ended up ordering a Boretech cleaning rod for rimfire, but a .20 Cal for rimfire. 

What do you (and others) for your normal cleaning?  I would assume that with most .22 lr ammo, that lead fouling would be a bigger deal.  At least more than centerfire with FMJ or match ammo/bullets. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on November 15, 2021, 02:26:08 PM
Was this yesterday?  Rain started at 11:30am, and I was just getting into my car to go home.

Next time you at Kokohead, ask Mitch, Leonard, Slick or Keith F. if I am there.  Would like to meet up with you  :shaka:

Yep. Yesterday. I met you before when I asked about the rest part you wanted milled by a local machine shop. Keith has an interesting collection of .22s. Yesterday he had his Martini
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 15, 2021, 02:35:14 PM
Awesome! 

But I have to admit one of my initial thoughts were, "damn, that's a lot of cleaning".

Seriously, on the subject of cleaning, I'm glad I did more reading on cleaning of CZ 457.  Seems like the typical/standard .22 rimfire coated rods do not work well with the CZ 457.  Dewey as a couple of other rods were mentioned.  I ended up ordering a Boretech cleaning rod for rimfire, but a .20 Cal for rimfire. 

What do you (and others) for your normal cleaning?  I would assume that with most .22 lr ammo, that lead fouling would be a bigger deal.  At least more than centerfire with FMJ or match ammo/bullets.

I bought the rod, jag, and rimfire blend from Boretech.  My normal cleaning rod is just a little too tight.  Boretech Works well.  Missed out on the rifle shooting this weekend.  Had to take advantage of the weather for a break to catch some onaga.  Spent a couple of hours on Sunday shooting pistol.  Hopefully I’ll be able to go this coming weekend. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2021, 02:41:10 PM
I bought the rod, jag, and rimfire blend from Boretech.  My normal cleaning rod is just a little too tight.  Boretech Works well.  Missed out on the rifle shooting this weekend.  Had to take advantage of the weather for a break to catch some onaga.  Spent a couple of hours on Sunday shooting pistol.  Hopefully I’ll be able to go this coming weekend.
Went same/similar.  Boretech rods, but from Brownells (shipping from Boretech was  :o ).  Rimfire blend, brushes and jags (for caliber and 1 undersize) for both .22 lr and 6.5 CM.  I use their stuff for .308 Win and like them, so sticking with them. 

I went with the 0.20 cal cleaning rod though. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 18, 2021, 09:08:08 AM
Question on routine cleaning.  How often?  I had about 300 rounds down the barrel and just ran some patches through.  Does anyone clean the chamber with a brush.  I'm only using a nylon brush and running it from the chamber through the bore...I don't run it completely through the muzzle though.  Figure that I'm only going to shoot cheaper ammo for now (CCI) until I get better in shooting technique and refine the set up on the rifle.  No sense in me shooting expensive ammo right now although i've definitely seen the difference in consistency with good ammo.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on November 18, 2021, 09:22:07 AM
Here comes a whole new can of worms!

So far I've run a bore snake (run wet with cleaner then again with whatever's left) every 500 or so rounds. Seems to work well. I think currently I've put 1000 rounds through with no bore cleaning. The bolt face and where it locks up (breech?) and bolt body get cleaned more often.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 18, 2021, 10:23:07 AM
Question on routine cleaning.  How often?  I had about 300 rounds down the barrel and just ran some patches through.  Does anyone clean the chamber with a brush.  I'm only using a nylon brush and running it from the chamber through the bore...I don't run it completely through the muzzle though.  Figure that I'm only going to shoot cheaper ammo for now (CCI) until I get better in shooting technique and refine the set up on the rifle.  No sense in me shooting expensive ammo right now although i've definitely seen the difference in consistency with good ammo.
Good question! 

I only have boresnake right now.  I have rods, brushes, jags, bore guide on the way.  Will be shooting the new rifle this weekend, so will just have the boresnake.  That said, I am not a "full clean" person with all of my guns. 

Here comes a whole new can of worms!

So far I've run a bore snake (run wet with cleaner then again with whatever's left) every 500 or so rounds. Seems to work well. I think currently I've put 1000 rounds through with no bore cleaning. The bolt face and where it locks up (breech?) and bolt body get cleaned more often.
Then there's those who clean between ammo brands. 

For this rifle, I consider it a plinker with somewhat interest (dip toes into the pool) of "better" precision.  I could see things going a while without cleaning.  But, I also don't know what I don't know, so that could change next week. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 18, 2021, 10:25:03 AM
Plan (or hope) is to get the rifle out to the range either tomorrow or Sat.  Zero the rifle and shoot some groups.  I eventually want to get this gun out to the silhouette range. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 18, 2021, 11:46:33 AM
Plan (or hope) is to get the rifle out to the range either tomorrow or Sat.  Zero the rifle and shoot some groups.  I eventually want to get this gun out to the silhouette range.

If not windy, I going Saturday.  Let's try and talk story over there.



As far as cleaning rimfire, every gun "authority" has their own way.  You have to find what works for you in your rifle.

One of the ways is the Eley way: https://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/how-to-clean-rimfire-rifle-barrels/
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 18, 2021, 07:49:13 PM

But I have to admit one of my initial thoughts were, "damn, that's a lot of cleaning".

Wait.... you're supposed to clean these damn things?  :D  Can of worms opened....   :rofl:.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 18, 2021, 07:55:21 PM
IMO cleaning ruins way more barrels than shooting does in rimfire and centerfire. Cleaning is required but not nearly what most does.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 18, 2021, 08:02:30 PM
Keith has an interesting collection of .22s. Yesterday he had his Martini

That rifle, and definitely more importantly the shooter, is the best 22 rifle I've seen. That's just one of many that'll outshoot all others
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 19, 2021, 09:58:38 AM
If not windy, I going Saturday.  Let's try and talk story over there.



As far as cleaning rimfire, every gun "authority" has their own way.  You have to find what works for you in your rifle.

One of the ways is the Eley way: https://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/how-to-clean-rimfire-rifle-barrels/

Bummer can’t go Sat…need to spend 5 hours for soccer with my two boys.  Hoping to shoot on Sunday…windy or not. 😊
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 20, 2021, 08:13:39 AM
If not windy, I going Saturday.  Let's try and talk story over there.



As far as cleaning rimfire, every gun "authority" has their own way.  You have to find what works for you in your rifle.

One of the ways is the Eley way: https://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/how-to-clean-rimfire-rifle-barrels/
I ended up getting to the range yesterday. Got the rifle zeroed and seems like a nice shooting rifle. At least with the CCi ammo I had on hand. Looking forward to the Eley and Lapua.

It was quite windy at times yesterday. Gusting at times enough to blow stuff off tables and rifle cases on the ground. I was able to shoot some pretty decent groups while zeroing and after that, so not bad.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 20, 2021, 08:19:46 AM
IMO cleaning ruins way more barrels than shooting does in rimfire and centerfire. Cleaning is required but not nearly what most does.
I’ve seen that as well. I’ve seen some folks with some interesting cleaning regimens with ARs and power tools.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Rocky on November 20, 2021, 08:51:18 AM
I’ve seen that as well. I’ve seen some folks with some interesting cleaning regimens with ARs and power tools.
Just spray with brake cleaner (non-chlorinated of course)
 :wave:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Rocky on November 20, 2021, 08:53:47 AM
Wait.... you're supposed to clean these damn things?  :D  Can of worms opened....   :rofl:.
Only if it's not a Glock  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on November 20, 2021, 09:14:29 AM
Wait, does this mean my being lazy about cleaning is a good thing?  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 20, 2021, 12:09:58 PM
Just spray with brake cleaner (non-chlorinated of course)
 :wave:
I've been using Sharp Shoot R products.  Apply with patch and/or nylon brushes and let sit for a while.  Works great on my bolt action(s) (not that many rounds).  They also have a version for ARs.  I've tried once and was good.  But haven't tried after having shot the gun in a class or after not cleaning for a while (maybe 500-1000 rounds, or more). 

Only if it's not a Glock  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You don't take a shower with yours?   ;D

Wait, does this mean my being lazy about cleaning is a good thing?  ;D
That's me too many times.  When I first got into guns, I would clean pretty thoroughly.  Not the super abrasive and "white glove" level that some prescribe to, but I don't clean my guns anywhere near like how I used to. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on November 20, 2021, 02:16:53 PM
I've been using Sharp Shoot R products.  Apply with patch and/or nylon brushes and let sit for a while.  Works great on my bolt action(s) (not that many rounds).  They also have a version for ARs.  I've tried once and was good.  But haven't tried after having shot the gun in a class or after not cleaning for a while (maybe 500-1000 rounds, or more). 
You don't take a shower with yours?   ;D
That's me too many times.  When I first got into guns, I would clean pretty thoroughly.  Not the super abrasive and "white glove" level that some prescribe to, but I don't clean my guns anywhere near like how I used to.
When I moved here I had not cleaned my 22’s for many 1,000’s of rounds. It had also been several years since I shot any of them. I was preparing for a trip in which I was going top take one of my 10/22’s. I pulled the bolt back and let it go and it moved like a snail instead of snapping forward. It was at that point that I decided I had better clean it.  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 22, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
When I moved here I had not cleaned my 22’s for many 1,000’s of rounds. It had also been several years since I shot any of them. I was preparing for a trip in which I was going top take one of my 10/22’s. I pulled the bolt back and let it go and it moved like a snail instead of snapping forward. It was at that point that I decided I had better clean it.  :rofl:
I know many shooting friends that have 1000s of rounds through their 10/22, 15/22, lever action, etc 22 without cleaning.  Those are mostly range fun and plinking, but I didn't notice any negative impacts.  However, that's for larger targets in the 10-30ish yard range.  Not for "more accuracy". 

How does bullet types impact how dirty the guns get?  Copper plated or not?  I believe most bulk ammo are not plated, so does lead bullets vs plate change anything in your approach?  Cleaning or in general?   
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 22, 2021, 10:38:15 AM

Copper plated or not?  I believe most bulk ammo are not plated, so does lead bullets vs plate change anything in your approach?  Cleaning or in general?   

I was told early on by Anschutz Custom Shop to never ever shoot plated bullets through any of their rifles.  Leaves the plating inside the barrel that is difficult to remove.

Take a look:  There are no copper-plated (or otherwise) 22LR bullets in the premium category:  Eley, Lapua, RWS
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 22, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
I was told early on by Anschutz Custom Shop to never ever shoot plated bullets through any of their rifles.  Leaves the plating inside the barrel that is difficult to remove.

Take a look:  There are no copper-plated (or otherwise) 22LR bullets in the premium category:  Eley, Lapua, RWS
Thanks!  I didn't notice that, but do now.  Wasn't even looking.  Though some of the Eley did look like it was shiny silvery, but not copper plated. 

I did some across some older .22 lr from my dad's stash, where the bullet heads seemed to have mushroomed slightly.  I was going to try shooting some in my CZ, but decided not to.  I did shoot some CCi Velocitors (only have that and mini-mags) last week.  Got some decent, or at least promising to me results.  I'll post a pic later of some groups I shot after zeroing. 

The Eley and Lapua ammo are on the way via Kaleo.  Got email update over the weekend from Jen.   :geekdanc:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 22, 2021, 07:14:20 PM
I know many shooting friends that have 1000s of rounds through their 10/22, 15/22, lever action, etc 22 without cleaning.  Those are mostly range fun and plinking, but I didn't notice any negative impacts.  However, that's for larger targets in the 10-30ish yard range.  Not for "more accuracy". 

How does bullet types impact how dirty the guns get?  Copper plated or not?  I believe most bulk ammo are not plated, so does lead bullets vs plate change anything in your approach?  Cleaning or in general?   

You will see your accuracy improve as the barrel gets fouled. You need to lay down the lube of whatever ammo you are using. When switching ammo, it'll take a bit before it settles down because of the different lube. Cleaning is counterproductive IMO. Your rifle, you do you though just don't say I didn't tell you.

Clean the chamber often only. Remove the powder fouling from the bore. Done
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 22, 2021, 07:18:07 PM
Just like everything else.... don't believe everything you read on the interweb. Especially Rimfire Central. Do you own testing. I stopped going to RFC years ago and don't miss it at all
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 22, 2021, 09:18:51 PM
You will see your accuracy improve as the barrel gets fouled. You need to lay down the lube of whatever ammo you are using. When switching ammo, it'll take a bit before it settles down because of the different lube. Cleaning is counterproductive IMO. Your rifle, you do you though just don't say I didn't tell you.

Clean the chamber often only. Remove the powder fouling from the bore. Done
Yeah. Some folks mentioned/cautioned the settling in after changing ammo.

Just like everything else.... don't believe everything you read on the interweb. Especially Rimfire Central. Do you own testing. I stopped going to RFC years ago and don't miss it at all
I don’t regularly read other forums. I am certainly down for my own testing. I like to test and see for myself anyways. That said, still appreciate lessons learned by other folks who have gone down this path first. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 24, 2021, 07:27:21 AM
Bullet Central recently got a shipment of .22 lr ammo.  Got an email notification this morning.  Decent pricing on Lapua and SK, or at least at first glance of the email.  I like BC.  I have bought a bunch of stuff from them for my .308 and they've treated me well.  Their packing and shipping is great.  They also sent out a cleaning product (IOSSO for about $7-10) by mistake.  After contacting them, they shipped out the correct product and said keep the other one.  It was something I could use, so bonus.  Love CS like that. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 24, 2021, 05:52:56 PM
Bullet Central recently got a shipment of .22 lr ammo.  Got an email notification this morning.  Decent pricing on Lapua and SK, or at least at first glance of the email.  I like BC.  I have bought a bunch of stuff from them for my .308 and they've treated me well.  Their packing and shipping is great.  They also sent out a cleaning product (IOSSO for about $7-10) by mistake.  After contacting them, they shipped out the correct product and said keep the other one.  It was something I could use, so bonus.  Love CS like that.

I use their brushes for centerfire they're the best IMO. Way too stiff for rimfire I use boretech nylon. Even then a brush very rarely goes down the rimfire barrel.  Think about it ... very low velocity, no heat, lead projectile (soft), powder residue dirty. Just take the powder fouling out of the barrel to moisture doesn't cause rust. If you have lead buildup in your barrel, you got problems with the barrel not the cleaning regiment.

If you have experience with quality hand lapped custom centerfire barrels, you will know there's very little to no copper buildup in the barrel. Just clean the carbon and you're good.

This is not aimed at anyone in particular. Just stating the common sense of cleaning. Your money, your rifle, you do you.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: WTF?Shane on November 25, 2021, 10:40:12 AM
Bullet Central recently got a shipment of .22 lr ammo.  Got an email notification this morning.  Decent pricing on Lapua and SK, or at least at first glance of the email.  I like BC.  I have bought a bunch of stuff from them for my .308 and they've treated me well.  Their packing and shipping is great.  They also sent out a cleaning product (IOSSO for about $7-10) by mistake.  After contacting them, they shipped out the correct product and said keep the other one.  It was something I could use, so bonus.  Love CS like that.

Have you ordered ammo through them?

Nevermind. I just read through their shipping policy.
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on November 26, 2021, 01:39:56 PM
Carbon ring is a real thing. Depending on your ammo may help or maybe detrimental for accuracy.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 28, 2021, 12:00:16 PM
I use their brushes for centerfire they're the best IMO. Way too stiff for rimfire I use boretech nylon. Even then a brush very rarely goes down the rimfire barrel.  Think about it ... very low velocity, no heat, lead projectile (soft), powder residue dirty. Just take the powder fouling out of the barrel to moisture doesn't cause rust. If you have lead buildup in your barrel, you got problems with the barrel not the cleaning regiment.

If you have experience with quality hand lapped custom centerfire barrels, you will know there's very little to no copper buildup in the barrel. Just clean the carbon and you're good.

This is not aimed at anyone in particular. Just stating the common sense of cleaning. Your money, your rifle, you do you.
I like BoreTech's products, including the brushes and have them for all my rifle calibers (caliber and one lower).  I mostly use patches for cleaning these days though.  Haven't cleaned the .22 yet, but I recently got all of the supplies in (cleaning rod, bore guide, brushes, jag, etc).  Mostly BoreTech stuff, but I'll use whatever. 

Re: custom barrels, I will find out when my .308 and 6.5 CM show up.  Hopefully in the next 1-3 weeks. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 28, 2021, 12:02:09 PM
Have you ordered ammo through them?

Nevermind. I just read through their shipping policy.
I would order ammo from them, and ship to Kaleo for the next pallet.  I should also check with Jen to verify when the next one is projected.  Don't want to have boxes of ammo sitting in their garage (or wherever they store them) for months for the next pallet. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 29, 2021, 03:34:41 PM
Received my barrel from Benchmark today.
Plan to put it on my Anschutz 2013 action rifle.
Ordered it in June 2021.

30" long but will be 28" finished length after machining.
16.5" twist
3-groove barrel

Waiting for JGS Precision chamber reamer in 22 Nevius, which is tailored to Lapua 22LR ammo.
Ordered it in June 2021, but still waiting.

Will send barrel and chamber reamer to mainland for machining.
Gunsmith in Pennsylvania recommended by Steve Boelter, former President of Anschutz North America.

Barrel has to be cut & crowned, and the shank has to be machined like the last picture below.

(https://i.imgur.com/dE5nIOp.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/w1Efd5Z.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/aoJMDXG.jpg)

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 29, 2021, 05:59:53 PM
Received my barrel from Benchmark today.
Plan to put it on my Anschutz 2013 action rifle.
Ordered it in June 2021.

30" long but will be 28" finished length after machining.
16.5" twist
3-groove barrel

Waiting for JGS Precision chamber reamer in 22 Nevius, which is tailored to Lapua 22LR ammo.
Ordered it in June 2021, but still waiting.

Will send barrel and chamber reamer to mainland for machining.
Gunsmith in Pennsylvania recommended by Steve Boelter, former President of Anschutz North America.

Barrel has to be cut & crowned, and the shank has to be machined like the last picture below.

SNIP

That's awesome!  I bet you're pretty excited to see progress after wait times like that.

My bolt actions are hopefully nearing completion.  I put in the orders back in July and Aug, but I knew the wait would be many months.  Last update was that one of the last components arrived and the barrel got on their "chamber schedule" with projected delivery before Christmas.  So hopefully soon. 

At the risk of getting closer to the .22 rabbit hole that you're in, but what is the approximate timeline for the barrel work once you get it to the gunsmith?  I don't think I'm anywhere near that with my .22 rifle, but interested in what the lead times are. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on November 29, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
That rabbit hole looks too deep for me.  I’ll definitely ask esk808 for some advice on my build next year.  I’ll start really looking 2nd qtr 2022.  Aside from Anschutz and Vudoo what other rifles should I be researching.  Rim X?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on November 29, 2021, 07:17:46 PM
That rabbit hole looks too deep for me.  I’ll definitely ask esk808 for some advice on my build next year.  I’ll start really looking 2nd qtr 2022.  Aside from Anschutz and Vudoo what other rifles should I be researching.  Rim X?

Eliseo https://www.gotxring.com/new-universal-match-rimfire-rifle/ (https://www.gotxring.com/new-universal-match-rimfire-rifle/)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on November 29, 2021, 08:58:11 PM
That rabbit hole looks too deep for me.  I’ll definitely ask esk808 for some advice on my build next year.  I’ll start really looking 2nd qtr 2022.  Aside from Anschutz and Vudoo what other rifles should I be researching.  Rim X?

Calfee build on a 2500X
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on November 29, 2021, 09:15:17 PM
You guys are nuts.  :shaka:

I am having a ton of fun with my Savage Mark II TR. It shoots $0.15/round (recent prices) ammo very nicely. Good for silhouette matches, sniping bolts at 100 yards, and 6" plates at 150 and 200 yards.

That said, I just dropped some cash on a much better scope: Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50 with MRAD reticle. It's a revelation, coming from a decent scope with a 30/30 reticle.

Full disclosure: if a long lost aunty left me a big pile of cash I'd be next in line at Vudoo.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 29, 2021, 10:06:25 PM

Waiting for the kaleoarms shipment too, like drck1000............

Got some ammo coming in......

Anybody got the latest from Jennifer as to ETA?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 30, 2021, 07:12:49 AM
That rabbit hole looks too deep for me.  I’ll definitely ask esk808 for some advice on my build next year.  I’ll start really looking 2nd qtr 2022.  Aside from Anschutz and Vudoo what other rifles should I be researching.  Rim X?
Seems like the allure of the dark side of the force is pulling you in.  Just a matter of time.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 30, 2021, 07:16:06 AM
You guys are nuts.  :shaka:

I am having a ton of fun with my Savage Mark II TR. It shoots $0.15/round (recent prices) ammo very nicely. Good for silhouette matches, sniping bolts at 100 yards, and 6" plates at 150 and 200 yards.

That said, I just dropped some cash on a much better scope: Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50 with MRAD reticle. It's a revelation, coming from a decent scope with a 30/30 reticle.

Full disclosure: if a long lost aunty left me a big pile of cash I'd be next in line at Vudoo.
Be careful.  That "better optics" thing can be quite a venture as well.  Not quite the rabbit hole of precision .22, but still.  I know many shooting buddies will refuse to look through some nicer scopes for fear of "the wants".  One guy who shot with me in a carbine course bought a NF ATACR after shooting my gun with that scope.  And he has just bought a decently nice LPVO. 

I've been watching more videos with the Vudoo and have been intrigued.  Well, with the RimX as well.  So many options. . .  :love:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 30, 2021, 07:20:46 AM
Waiting for the kaleoarms shipment too, like drck1000............

Got some ammo coming in......

Anybody got the latest from Jennifer as to ETA?
Last email was near the end of Nov after I confirmed my order had been shipped to them and confirming my delivery addy.  Jen mentioned updating when closer to landing mid-Dec.  That said, I would bet that like everything, the ports situation will likely affect it. . .  :( 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 30, 2021, 07:30:31 AM
Mrs.cmo's 22 is done. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211130/16b710597be06146d355e3e1a2d33cf6.jpg)

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on November 30, 2021, 08:01:39 AM
https://doantrevor.com/
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on November 30, 2021, 08:12:28 AM
Mrs.cmo's 22 is done. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211130/16b710597be06146d355e3e1a2d33cf6.jpg)

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Hey CMO:

Old thread that needs to be resurrected. Show off those 10/22’s

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2875.msg26714#msg26714
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 30, 2021, 08:43:08 AM
Mrs.cmo's 22 is done.

SNIP

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Awesome!    :geekdanc:

Do you already have a scope for it?  If yes, get it zero'ed and let's hit the range! 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 30, 2021, 09:09:33 AM
Awesome!    :geekdanc:

Do you already have a scope for it?  If yes, get it zero'ed and let's hit the range!

Dropping off the scope later today to attach. I don't have confidence in myself doing it.  Vortex Crossfire II.  But it's in black, we're going to see if Red Letter can cerakote the scope and rings to match the barrel and receiver (silver).
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 30, 2021, 09:20:29 AM
Dropping off the scope later today to attach. I don't have confidence in myself doing it.  Vortex Crossfire II.  But it's in black, we're going to see if Red Letter can cerakote the scope and rings to match the barrel and receiver (silver).
Are you going to drop off Mrs. CMO too?  How are you going to ensure the eye relief is set for her?

If you want, I can meet you folks at the range and help you folks set it up. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 30, 2021, 10:21:11 AM
Are you going to drop off Mrs. CMO too?  How are you going to ensure the eye relief is set for her?

If you want, I can meet you folks at the range and help you folks set it up.

Crap, forgot about that part. Maybe gonna hold off for today.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on December 02, 2021, 06:37:35 PM
Mrs.cmo's 22 is done. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211130/16b710597be06146d355e3e1a2d33cf6.jpg)

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FOCUS...... Clearly not a bolt action like the thread title states but since we're here, remind us what we're looking at. IIRC that's a Kidd barelled action? So is that a Supergrade with the threaded barrel/receiver? 2 stage or single?

I got some ammo for her to try just as long as she's not going full mag dumps  :rofl: Looks like I got to dust off the precision stuff and bring out the "hurt your feelings" targets.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2021, 06:50:25 PM
FOCUS...... Clearly not a bolt action like the thread title states but since we're here, remind us what we're looking at. IIRC that's a Kidd barelled action? So is that a Supergrade with the threaded barrel/receiver? 2 stage or single?

I got some ammo for her to try just as long as she's not going full mag dumps  :rofl: Looks like I got to dust off the precision stuff and bring out the "hurt your feelings" targets.
No focus.

Stock is Boyd, everything else is Kidd. Trigger is single action.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on December 02, 2021, 07:15:52 PM
No focus.

Stock is Boyd, everything else is Kidd. Trigger is single action.

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Looks like a nice build. I'm certain it'll shoot well.  :thumbsup: on the single stage.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 06, 2021, 09:07:38 AM
Hit a road block, the scope front end touches the barrel. So need either higher rings or a riser of some sort.  Current rigns are Leupold mid level or something.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 06, 2021, 10:35:24 AM
Hit a road block, the scope front end touches the barrel. So need either higher rings or a riser of some sort.  Current rigns are Leupold mid level or something.
:(

I have Leupold MK IV medium and there's BARELY enough room for my scope.  I probably should switch to slightly taller rings as putting the scope any further forward, I would likely want to go to higher rings.  There's a ramped section of the scope mount section on the gun that I have that leaves space, but with the scope slightly further back.  My stock allows for enough adjustment to make it, at least I'm comfortable with it for now.  The rings came off of a different gun and I a$$umed that it would work fine and didn't check. 

When you get around to mocking up your scope for new rings, I've found that the pennies method on the American Rifle Company website is pretty useful.  If you go with scope caps, be sure to have them when you mock things up. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 06, 2021, 12:01:58 PM
No focus.

Stock is Boyd, everything else is Kidd. Trigger is single action.

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What made you choose the Kidd?

I did some reading just now (lunch break and meeting cancelled due to weather) on Kidd.  Found some good info, but I though the forums on centerfire precision rifles were bad, the .22lr semi-auto and competition groups are way worse.   :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 06, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
What made you choose the Kidd?

I did some reading just now (lunch break and meeting cancelled due to weather) on Kidd.  Found some good info, but I though the forums on centerfire precision rifles were bad, the .22lr semi-auto and competition groups are way worse.   :rofl:

I think she choose KIDD because the guys who we shoot with, most have KIDDS and she likes their rifles.  Affordable and accurate for the price.  Her 1st draft choice was this other company who's rifles start at $3K. Not Anschulz, but another company who has mainly metal framed, cool looking , bright colors.  I can't remember the name right now.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 06, 2021, 12:25:22 PM
I think she choose KIDD because the guys who we shoot with, most have KIDDS and she likes their rifles.  Affordable and accurate for the price.  Her 1st draft choice was this other company who's rifles start at $3K. Not Anschulz, but another company who has mainly metal framed, cool looking , bright colors.  I can't remember the name right now.
Ahh, this was Mrs. CMO's choice.  Seeing what others have is always a factor, especially if the initial experience with them is positive. 

$3k for a semi-auto .22 lr rifle?  Whoa!  :o

Now that's a slippery slope that I don't want to get anywhere near.  I'm already at risk with the BA .22 lr rifles. . .  ;D  That said, I'm not swayed by color schemes.  Black, brown, grey, or variations of all fine. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on December 06, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
Seeing what others have is always a factor, especially if the initial experience with them is positive.

100%. That's how I wound up with my Savage, a few months to play with one. I believe I've sold at least one Apachee Trigger by letting others take a few shots. And I know I've saved one shooter a bunch of cash when he took a few shots with my brand new Vortex Diamondback Tactical and changed his plans.

So much fun. 22 Fevah!
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 07, 2021, 11:49:49 AM
100%. That's how I wound up with my Savage, a few months to play with one. I believe I've sold at least one Apachee Trigger by letting others take a few shots. And I know I've saved one shooter a bunch of cash when he took a few shots with my brand new Vortex Diamondback Tactical and changed his plans.

So much fun. 22 Fevah!
I long wanted a Savage Mark II because a few friends had them and I enjoyed shooting them.  They are inexpensive and readily available.  Good gun especially to have kids shoot as they are quite low maintenance, at least my perception. 

I went with a CZ 457 after more research, but I still think a Savage BA 22 would serve my current desires well to dip my toes into .22 rifles and plinking.  That said, the CS 457 does have more options for upgrading, which I may or may not do. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 09, 2021, 11:52:06 AM
Mrs. CMO is getting higher rings.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 09, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
Mrs. CMO is getting higher rings.
W
What height and type are the ones that didn't fit?  Are they in the 0.90-1.00" ish range? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 09, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
W
What height and type are the ones that didn't fit?  Are they in the 0.90-1.00" ish range?

IDK Henry from Prime Sports is taking care of it.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 09, 2021, 12:24:34 PM
IDK Henry from Prime Sports is taking care of it.
Cool. LMK when the gun is up and shooting.  Challenge time!  8)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on December 09, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
IDK Henry from Prime Sports is taking care of it.
Couldn’t deal with a nicer guy!  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 09, 2021, 12:46:00 PM
Cool. LMK when the gun is up and shooting.  Challenge time!  8)

But it's not a bolt action.  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 09, 2021, 01:07:33 PM
But it's not a bolt action.  :rofl:
Don't matter.  Still can have friendly 22 rifle competition. . .

Or, you can always get a bolt action. . .
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on December 09, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Waiting for the kaleoarms shipment too, like drck1000............

Got some ammo coming in......

Anybody got the latest from Jennifer as to ETA?

Got a message from Jennifer.  ETA  Honolulu is 12/14-12/17.  Probably take a couple of days for them to start sending out deliveries.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on December 09, 2021, 08:49:59 PM
Got a message from Jennifer.  ETA  Honolulu is 12/14-12/17.  Probably take a couple of days for them to start sending out deliveries.

 :shaka:  This weekend looks to be windy.  Also, I heard that the right side of the rifle range was all muddy and mud covered all the target post holes.
Honolulu Marathon this Sunday. 

This weekend doesn't look good.  Ammo should be in by next weekend, I hope.  :worship:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on December 10, 2021, 08:04:07 AM
:shaka:  This weekend looks to be windy.  Also, I heard that the right side of the rifle range was all muddy and mud covered all the target post holes.
Honolulu Marathon this Sunday. 

This weekend doesn't look good.  Ammo should be in by next weekend, I hope.  :worship:

I’m going to take the kids to the silhouette side to plink.  Yup, checked Windy and it’s looks like it’s blowing all the way through next week.  Aside from shooting it’s going to make onaga fishing difficult.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 10, 2021, 09:54:47 AM
Got a message from Jennifer.  ETA  Honolulu is 12/14-12/17.  Probably take a couple of days for them to start sending out deliveries.
As a side note, I was checking with Jen on timing of future shipments.  Seeing some ammo sales as well as some calibers coming back into stock.  Anyways, due to increasing costs (shipping, parcel, everything), continuing of shipping services is being evaluated. 

Speaking for myself, I am ok with spending more.  I am guessing at least a few here are as well in order to keep this valuable pipeline operating. 

Just a heads up.   
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on December 10, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
I am guessing at least a few here are as well in order to keep this valuable pipeline operating. 

100%. A thread on here to share tips on which sites have what available and find partners to split cases should generate a big order.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 10, 2021, 04:59:39 PM
Got a message from Jennifer.  ETA  Honolulu is 12/14-12/17.  Probably take a couple of days for them to start sending out deliveries.
As a side note, I was checking with Jen on timing of future shipments.  Seeing some ammo sales as well as some calibers coming back into stock.  Anyways, due to increasing costs (shipping, parcel, everything), continuing of shipping services is being evaluated. 

Speaking for myself, I am ok with spending more.  I am guessing at least a few here are as well in order to keep this valuable pipeline operating. 

Just a heads up.   

I appreciate what Jen and her company is doing for us here in Hawaii.  I want to support them and am willing to order from them because I trust them in their commitment to try to keep costs down and offering the best price on ammunition.

Times are hard on all businesses and I want to support them and hopefully they can  continue to prosper and succeed.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on December 10, 2021, 05:31:51 PM
i think you folks should let her know that you are willing to pay the increased cost to retain access to ammo that is not readily available here...
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: QUIETShooter on December 10, 2021, 05:55:43 PM
i think you folks should let her know that you are willing to pay the increased cost to retain access to ammo that is not readily available here...

I plan to do so.  :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on December 10, 2021, 07:39:19 PM
I appreciate what Jen and her company is doing for us here in Hawaii.  I want to support them and am willing to order from them because I trust them in their commitment to try to keep costs down and offering the best price on ammunition.

Times are hard on all businesses and I want to support them and hopefully they can  continue to prosper and succeed.

I’m hoping they can continue their program.  I’d support them and would be willing to pay more.  I’ll make sure I let them know how much we appreciate their business and support of the 2a community.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 11, 2021, 12:27:00 PM
i think you folks should let her know that you are willing to pay the increased cost to retain access to ammo that is not readily available here...
Thanks PFC Obvious. . .
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on December 11, 2021, 12:44:38 PM
Thanks PFC Obvious. . .

SFDDS Obvious to you...
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on December 11, 2021, 01:11:18 PM
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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 17, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
Been shopping for more .22 ammo.  Have been wanting to try SK, but hard to find.  I heard good things about RWS, but $$$.

I ordered more Eley Match and some Eley Target to try.  So slowly building a decent stash.  Will see what round count is "normal" for range days.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: WTF?Shane on December 17, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
Been shopping for more .22 ammo.  Have been wanting to try SK, but hard to find.  I heard good things about RWS, but $$$.

I ordered more Eley Match and some Eley Target to try.  So slowly building a decent stash.  Will see what round count is "normal" for range days.

Want to trade some of your Eley match for SK match?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 17, 2021, 05:15:03 PM
Want to trade some of your Eley match for SK match?
Sure. SK Rifle Match? But down to try others.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on December 17, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
Want to trade some of your Eley match for SK match?

heads
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on December 17, 2021, 06:57:36 PM

To All Who Have Ammo Coming In With Jennifer,

Yesterday, Jennifer said the boat is leaving tomorrow 12/18 and would be off-loading on 12/28 or so..................
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: WTF?Shane on December 17, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
Sure. SK Rifle Match? But down to try others.

Yes.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 18, 2021, 12:28:07 PM
To All Who Have Ammo Coming In With Jennifer,

Yesterday, Jennifer said the boat is leaving tomorrow 12/18 and would be off-loading on 12/28 or so..................
That ETA will likely miss my end of year leave window for hitting the range, but will be a good start to 2022 to have that ammo on hand.   :geekdanc:

Yes.
Awesome.  Will let you know when my Eley Match comes in.  It's on the boat that esk mentioned above. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: dogman on December 22, 2021, 07:31:57 PM
You will see your accuracy improve as the barrel gets fouled. You need to lay down the lube of whatever ammo you are using. When switching ammo, it'll take a bit before it settles down because of the different lube. Cleaning is counterproductive IMO. Your rifle, you do you though just don't say I didn't tell you.

Clean the chamber often only. Remove the powder fouling from the bore. Done

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 29, 2021, 08:13:56 AM
Got word from Jen that the ammo arrived on-island.  They are supposed to get the pallet tomorrow and then have it out to Hawaii folks end of the week. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on December 30, 2021, 10:00:22 AM

Kaleo arms ammo shipment is in !
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on December 30, 2021, 10:03:05 AM
For Mrs. Changemyoil66

Maybe not all about bolt action, but definitely something she would be interested in.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 31, 2021, 02:37:39 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220101/f63302c9986318c27378f698360529f6.jpg)


My “share” of recent Kaleo shipment. Really looking forward to shooting the CZ457 with these. Had some really good results with CCi Velocitors, which is supposed to be “just ok” ammo.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 31, 2021, 05:07:47 PM
For Mrs. Changemyoil66

Maybe not all about bolt action, but definitely something she would be interested in.
She actually wants to build another AR.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on December 31, 2021, 10:07:49 PM

Mrs. Changemyoil will have a new AR with some unique color choices of scope rings.

https://www.dimars.com.ua/scoperings2/tproduct/226616946-978916183001-scope-rings-picatinny-rail

(https://i.imgur.com/mUoJ9p7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wb8Hg33.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8oo4za3.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 01, 2022, 05:21:57 PM
Mrs. Changemyoil will have a new AR with some unique color choices of scope rings.

https://www.dimars.com.ua/scoperings2/tproduct/226616946-978916183001-scope-rings-picatinny-rail

(https://i.imgur.com/mUoJ9p7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wb8Hg33.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8oo4za3.jpg)
Thanks for making me broke. Lol.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 01, 2022, 10:10:06 PM
 
Thanks for making me broke. Lol.


Glad to help.   ;)

I didn't realize manufacturers were making gun parts in so many colors.................. must make the Mrs. think about color choices.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 03, 2022, 08:03:17 AM
Thanks for making me broke. Lol.

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Those rings look quite low, and didn't seem to have options for heights.  Maybe meant for "standard" AR height.

In any case, you can always cerakote rings.  Any shade of purple you want, or Mrs. CMO wants.  Sky's the limit!   :shake:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 14, 2022, 09:54:17 AM
Let’s see some target groups with all the ammo being talked about.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 14, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
Let’s see some target groups with all the ammo being talked about.
Since you brought it up, you first. . .

:P
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 15, 2022, 12:58:47 AM
Since you brought it up, you first. . .

:P
Zeroing the rifle 3 weeks ago…. Bullseye 3/4”

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220115/b342f89bd7e2ca5867fb988dae58cab5.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 15, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
Zeroing the rifle 3 weeks ago…. Bullseye 3/4”

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220115/b342f89bd7e2ca5867fb988dae58cab5.jpg)
What ammo?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 15, 2022, 11:21:45 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220115/9db6a7be2b6c7418321dade10baa1234.jpg)

This was back in Nov. First time shooting the rifle. The zero target is down below, but this is the groups after zeroing. I don’t remember the order, but I think center and top left were refining zero. Then the rest are groups after zeroing with CCi Velocitors. Haven’t had a chance to get to the range with the Eley and Lapua ammo.
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 15, 2022, 11:33:57 AM
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 15, 2022, 11:34:48 AM
What ammo?
CCI at 100 yards….
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 17, 2022, 01:07:39 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220115/9db6a7be2b6c7418321dade10baa1234.jpg)

This was back in Nov. First time shooting the rifle. The zero target is down below, but this is the groups after zeroing. I don’t remember the order, but I think center and top left were refining zero. Then the rest are groups after zeroing with CCi Velocitors. Haven’t had a chance to get to the range with the Eley and Lapua ammo.
Shot by a guy this weekend shooting a CZ457 and it was a tack driver shooting ELEY.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on January 18, 2022, 06:06:52 PM
Targets..... oh boy now you got esk started.  :geekdanc:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 19, 2022, 09:32:27 PM
Targets..... oh boy now you got esk started.  :geekdanc:
Hopefully I can post more soon. .22 lr, .308, and 6.5 cm.  Been meaning to shoot some for the MOA challenge too.   8)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 21, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
That’s some good groups at 100yds.  Spent the weekend trying to shoot KYL target.  I/4” target at 70 was challenging.  So far the stock MTR barrel on the CZ shoots fine.  I have a lilja barrel coming in next week and I’ll do some testing the following weekend.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: pewpewgoesthegun on January 23, 2022, 10:37:43 AM
Just picked up a Ruger American Rimfire to get introduced to bolt actions, mahalo to drck for helping me acquire it  :shaka: Now I just need to find some time to go to the range...
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 23, 2022, 11:47:31 AM
That’s some good groups at 100yds.  Spent the weekend trying to shoot KYL target.  I/4” target at 70 was challenging.  So far the stock MTR barrel on the CZ shoots fine.  I have a lilja barrel coming in next week and I’ll do some testing the following weekend.
Awesome!  Wish I had more frequent access to range that one could set up targets like that and shoot a variety of targets and distances.  Lots of YTbers who have what appears to be awesome ranges in their back yard for .22 lr shooting. 

Looking forward to seeing how the Lilja does for you.  My CZ457 is still quite new, but exciting how much aftermarket opportunities there are. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 23, 2022, 11:49:00 AM
Just picked up a Ruger American Rimfire to get introduced to bolt actions, mahalo to drck for helping me acquire it  :shaka: Now I just need to find some time to go to the range...
Very nice!  Glad I could offer help.  You were dealing with good people, so even though they may be going through stuff, they'll come through. 

Please share how things go.   :shaka:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 28, 2022, 03:15:01 PM
Awesome!  Wish I had more frequent access to range that one could set up targets like that and shoot a variety of targets and distances.  Lots of YTbers who have what appears to be awesome ranges in their back yard for .22 lr shooting. 

Looking forward to seeing how the Lilja does for you.  My CZ457 is still quite new, but exciting how much aftermarket opportunities there are.

Finally got to test the lilja barrel on the CZ 457....Hmmm, the stock 16.5" MTR barrel shot well and wasn't too picky on ammo (SK Rifle, Lapua Center X, Eley Match, and even CCI SV).  The Lilja on the other hand is picky, definitely hates CCI SV.  It shot Eley Match ok but way better with Center X.  Of course it could be the different lots or the head spacing.  I set the headspace at .042.  I'll try again with a different headspace.  I like the look of the stainless 21" barrel but its seems like there's much more variables when you play with the shims and head spacing.  OH Well, i guess you gotta pay to play....I hope there's other ammo it likes aside from Center X.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 28, 2022, 07:57:19 PM
Finally got to test the lilja barrel on the CZ 457....Hmmm, the stock 16.5" MTR barrel shot well and wasn't too picky on ammo (SK Rifle, Lapua Center X, Eley Match, and even CCI SV).  The Lilja on the other hand is picky, definitely hates CCI SV.  It shot Eley Match ok but way better with Center X.  Of course it could be the different lots or the head spacing.  I set the headspace at .042.  I'll try again with a different headspace.  I like the look of the stainless 21" barrel but its seems like there's much more variables when you play with the shims and head spacing.  OH Well, i guess you gotta pay to play....I hope there's other ammo it likes aside from Center X.

Akubone,

I'm assuming you got it directly from Lilja at riflebarrels.com.

If so, you should email them to ask what chamber reamer they used for your barrel, and what ammo it would be the suited for.


I ordered my Lilja barrel from them, and they told me it was chambered with the Eley EPS Match Rimfire Reamer for the flat-nose bullet, so natch, Eley EPS bullets would be ideal.

Turns out that Eley Tenex EPS shoots better than the others (slightly), as compared to Lapua Midas+ or RWS R50.

I just got 2 boxes of Eley Match EPS, so I want to test if the Match (black) ammo shoots as well as Tenex EPS (red).
I'm guessing that it would shoot the same.

An email to Lilja would put you on a logical path to see which ammo your rifle likes.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 28, 2022, 09:41:46 PM
Akubone,

I'm assuming you got it directly from Lilja at riflebarrels.com.

If so, you should email them to ask what chamber reamer they used for your barrel, and what ammo it would be the suited for.


I ordered my Lilja barrel from them, and they told me it was chambered for the Eley Match EPS flat-nose bullet, so natch, Eley EPS bullets would be ideal.

Turns out that Eley Tenex EPS shoots better than the others (slightly), as compared to Lapua Midas+ or RWS R50.

I just got 2 boxes of Eley Match EPS, so I want to test if the Match (black) ammo shoots as well as Tenex EPS (red).
I'm guessing that it would shoot the same.

An email to Lilja would put you on a logical path to see which ammo your rifle likes.

Thanks esk808…good suggestion.  I’ll email Lilja regarding the chamber reamer they used.  Pretty interesting to see the differences in ammo especially from one barrel to another.  Seems like the ammo was shooting hotter off the longer barrel.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 28, 2022, 10:24:32 PM
Thanks esk808…good suggestion.  I’ll email Lilja regarding the chamber reamer they used.  Pretty interesting to see the differences in ammo especially from one barrel to another.  Seems like the ammo was shooting hotter off the longer barrel.


From the Lilja website on the CZ 457 drop-in barrel section:                  https://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/cz-455/22-rf/cz-455-precision-barrel/

"Two profiles available: .900″ diameter straight cylinder with no taper. Made from 3-groove blanks and chambered with our ‘Lilja 2’ match reamer. The weight is 3 pounds 6 ounces (54 ounces) in .22 LR caliber and 21″ length. Varmint taper. It is .900″ diameter for 3″ and then a straight taper down to .630″ diameter at 21″. This taper is also listed as RF 122 on our special rimfire contour listing. These barrels are made with a new ‘Lilja 2’ chamber made by PTG."

                   PTG: Pacific Tool & Gauge Co.

It also says: "All CZ 455’s 22 LR will have the new shim kit design, and 'Lilja 3’ chamber. Please see instructions below for installation.

I can't find the Lilja 2' or 3' match chamber reamer on this list, so you gotta ask:    https://pacifictoolandgauge.com/1542-22-cal-239-cal-chamber-reamer-nopix-
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 30, 2022, 01:45:03 AM
Finally got to test the lilja barrel on the CZ 457....Hmmm, the stock 16.5" MTR barrel shot well and wasn't too picky on ammo (SK Rifle, Lapua Center X, Eley Match, and even CCI SV).  The Lilja on the other hand is picky, definitely hates CCI SV.  It shot Eley Match ok but way better with Center X.  Of course it could be the different lots or the head spacing.  I set the headspace at .042.  I'll try again with a different headspace.  I like the look of the stainless 21" barrel but its seems like there's much more variables when you play with the shims and head spacing.  OH Well, i guess you gotta pay to play....I hope there's other ammo it likes aside from Center X.
Did you clean the barrel between
 ammo tests?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 30, 2022, 06:43:26 AM
Did you clean the barrel between
 ammo tests?

No didn't clean between ammo tests.  Day 1 -- shot 50 rounds ea and finished the box before switching ammo type.  Started with Lapua Center X, Eley Match, Eley Club, CCI SV.  Lapua Center X & Eley Match were pretty accurate with under MOA groups at 50yds.  Accuracy OK with Eley club, but really inconsistent with CCI.  Headspace was .042.  Went home and changed the headspace to .043...cleaned the barrel for Day 2.  2nd day at the range and started with CCI SV.  Same result...very inconsistent.  It will shoot a couple of good groups then open up.  Changed to Eley match and shot 5 groups under MOA.  I'll try RWS and SK on my next trip.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 30, 2022, 09:35:49 AM
No didn't clean between ammo tests. 


Like Ocean19 asks, try to run a patch or two (or 2 VGF pellets) through the barrel when changing ammo brands.

The lube is different and bullet type is different in brands.

The higher-priced ammo will probably shoot better and more consistent. 

CCI SV is my semi-auto 22 pistol ammo only, as it is difficult to chamber and to close the bolt over this round.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 30, 2022, 10:22:29 AM
Dry patch or wet patch?  I was doing that on the CZ MTR barrel and it didn’t seem to matter as much.  Normally the first 10 shots I discounted as fouling shot.  However CCI SV that I shot on the 2nd day was off a clean barrel.  It still shot inconsistent.  I’ll go back to running patches through before the new lots.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 30, 2022, 12:18:19 PM
Finally got to test the lilja barrel on the CZ 457....Hmmm, the stock 16.5" MTR barrel shot well and wasn't too picky on ammo (SK Rifle, Lapua Center X, Eley Match, and even CCI SV).  The Lilja on the other hand is picky, definitely hates CCI SV.  It shot Eley Match ok but way better with Center X.  Of course it could be the different lots or the head spacing.  I set the headspace at .042.  I'll try again with a different headspace.  I like the look of the stainless 21" barrel but its seems like there's much more variables when you play with the shims and head spacing.  OH Well, i guess you gotta pay to play....I hope there's other ammo it likes aside from Center X.
Awesome!  Thank you for sharing your experiences.  I am very much one who wants to try and see for myself.  While current short term plans are to shoot my CZ457 with the stock barrel alot with a variety of ammo, I am very much interested in the Lilja barrels.  Particularly since them seem quite user friendly to install and tweak without a gunsmith.  I have a variety of ammo to test, with more ammo on the way and trading with other very helpful members of this board.  Looking forward to seeing how your testing progresses. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 30, 2022, 12:22:42 PM
Does running say 2-3 patches make that much of a difference?  Over say shooting 5-10 foulers?  I will eventually get into testing multiple ammo brands/types in a given range session.  Seems like many folks, including Pursuit of Accuracy, shoot about 10 foulers before shooting for groups.  That said, Pursuit of Accuracy focuses on PRS and NRL22 matches, and he notes that he's not a BR shooter or one that seems to focus better on shooting steel, including KYL targets, over target cards. 

For me, I'm down to try and test a variety of methods.  Just keeping context in mind.  I'm not after ultimate accuracy, at least not right now.  Or maybe that's me in denial as I try to stay near the top/entrance of the rabbit hole.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2022, 12:44:06 PM
Does running say 2-3 patches make that much of a difference?  Over say shooting 5-10 foulers?  I will eventually get into testing multiple ammo brands/types in a given range session.  Seems like many folks, including Pursuit of Accuracy, shoot about 10 foulers before shooting for groups.  That said, Pursuit of Accuracy focuses on PRS and NRL22 matches, and he notes that he's not a BR shooter or one that seems to focus better on shooting steel, including KYL targets, over target cards. 

For me, I'm down to try and test a variety of methods.  Just keeping context in mind.  I'm not after ultimate accuracy, at least not right now.  Or maybe that's me in denial as I try to stay near the top/entrance of the rabbit hole.   ;D
I had to shoot 20 foulers. But stopped cause i got a $300 rifle, so not worth the extra waste of ammo, IMO for a cheap rifle.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 30, 2022, 01:09:31 PM
I had to shoot 20 foulers. But stopped cause i got a $300 rifle, so not worth the extra waste of ammo, IMO for a cheap rifle.

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20 “foulers” for? Until you saw groups settle down after changing ammo?

I will likely just shoot groups and see how things go. Keeping on mind potential differences when switching ammo. I don’t really want to take cleaning stuff to the range. At least not at my low/starter level.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
20 “foulers” for? Until you saw groups settle down after changing ammo?

I will likely just shoot groups and see how things go. Keeping on mind potential differences when switching ammo. I don’t really want to take cleaning stuff to the range. At least not at my low/starter level.
That and after cleaning the barrel to get my groups back to where they should be.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 30, 2022, 01:18:07 PM
That and after cleaning the barrel to get my groups back to where they should be.

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Ahh…

Did you get Mrs. CMO’s rifle sorted out? You should do a challenge  O0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2022, 01:47:50 PM
Ahh…

Did you get Mrs. CMO’s rifle sorted out? You should do a challenge  O0
Not ready yet...

I didnt understand why my 22 shot so bad after cleaning. Im the clean after every range day guy. Till a friend explained it.

Like tangerine size grouping at 50yrds with CCI-SV.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 30, 2022, 02:07:43 PM
Not ready yet...

I didnt understand why my 22 shot so bad after cleaning. Im the clean after every range day guy. Till a friend explained it.

Like tangerine size grouping at 50yrds with CCI-SV.

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Was super windy that day, right?  ;)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 30, 2022, 09:23:52 PM
Not ready yet...

I didnt understand why my 22 shot so bad after cleaning. Im the clean after every range day guy. Till a friend explained it.

Like tangerine size grouping at 50yrds with CCI-SV.

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Did they tell you why a fouled barrel shoots better?



Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 30, 2022, 10:03:10 PM
Finally got to test the lilja barrel on the CZ 457....Hmmm, the stock 16.5" MTR barrel shot well and wasn't too picky on ammo (SK Rifle, Lapua Center X, Eley Match, and even CCI SV).  The Lilja on the other hand is picky, definitely hates CCI SV.  It shot Eley Match ok but way better with Center X.  Of course it could be the different lots or the head spacing.  I set the headspace at .042.  I'll try again with a different headspace.  I like the look of the stainless 21" barrel but its seems like there's much more variables when you play with the shims and head spacing.  OH Well, i guess you gotta pay to play....I hope there's other ammo it likes aside from Center X.

Change the way you do your testing. One headspace doesn't apply to all the different ammo.

The deep rabbit whole takes a lot of testing, hopefully you get there quick.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 07:45:44 AM
Did they tell you why a fouled barrel shoots better?
In your experience, why do you (or anyone else here) think/believe/know why a fouled barrel shoots better?  I recall many folks mentioning lube, wax, etc.  Not saying it doesn't, but interesting discussion and helpful when folk share their experiences.  Like testing regimen.   

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 07:49:09 AM
Watched a couple of videos on Lilja barrel install.  While I still don't think I'm anywhere near pursing that, that it's so easy and can allow for relatively easy user tweaks makes it really appealing to me. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 07:54:18 AM
Swapped out the CZ457 trigger to a Timney over the weekend.  Haven't shot it yet, but from some dry fire after installing, I'm liking it. 

Install on CZ457 trigger is way easier than on Rem 700 actions.  Not that changing the trigger on a Rem 700 action is difficult, but don't need punches.  From the videos and feedback from many rimfire shooters, seems like stuff like the action screw torque and install method (or level of meticulousness) isn't as strenuous as for centerfire.  When I took off the action screws, I was surprised that one of them came loose with very little effort.  If I had to guess, I would say it was on there with less than 10 in-lb torque. 

That's all of the upgrades I have planned for the near term.  I was thinking about going with higher rings, but will shoot the gun as-is for a while.  Though the discussion of Arca rail in another thread and watching videos of installs over the weekend has be thinking about that as well.  I have an extra bipod with Arca clamp lying around. . .  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 31, 2022, 08:22:23 AM
Akubone,

I'm assuming you got it directly from Lilja at riflebarrels.com.

If so, you should email them to ask what chamber reamer they used for your barrel, and what ammo it would be the suited for.


I ordered my Lilja barrel from them, and they told me it was chambered with the Eley EPS Match Rimfire Reamer for the flat-nose bullet, so natch, Eley EPS bullets would be ideal.

Turns out that Eley Tenex EPS shoots better than the others (slightly), as compared to Lapua Midas+ or RWS R50.

Esk808...you were right.  They used the Lilja 3 chamber reamer cut for Eley.  Lilja said Eley Match should work well...and of course it does.  Gotta be the one type of ammo that I have a limited supply of.  At least lapua center x shoots ok too.  Will test out more at 100 yds.  Thanks for everyone's feedback/suggestions.

I just got 2 boxes of Eley Match EPS, so I want to test if the Match (black) ammo shoots as well as Tenex EPS (red).
I'm guessing that it would shoot the same.

An email to Lilja would put you on a logical path to see which ammo your rifle likes.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2022, 09:30:20 AM
Did they tell you why a fouled barrel shoots better?

They probably did explain why, but I forgot. All I remember is clean barrel no shoot straight. The why is over my pay grade.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 31, 2022, 09:31:35 AM
In your experience, why do you (or anyone else here) think/believe/know why a fouled barrel shoots better?  I recall many folks mentioning lube, wax, etc.  Not saying it doesn't, but interesting discussion and helpful when folk share their experiences.  Like testing regimen.

Not sure myself was waiting to hear what others say.

It gets stated over and over but not much detail as to why.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2022, 09:42:03 AM
Watched a couple of videos on Lilja barrel install.  While I still don't think I'm anywhere near pursing that, that it's so easy and can allow for relatively easy user tweaks makes it really appealing to me.

They and Green something make 1 for the RPRR, the cost is not worth the performance for my rifle IMO. The barrel cost way more than the rifle and the grouping wasn't improved that much.  I'm not the best shooter, so I rely on the 22 forums who have better shooters and they posted b4/after pics.

If I were to upgrade to Lilja, then I would go down the rabbit hole of buying/building a better 22.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 31, 2022, 09:42:34 AM
Here's a video on barrel seasoning.  Hope people can view.  I searched Youtube under "Rimfire Barrel Seasoning"  Video by Gunfather Precision.  It's just his explanation of the importance of barrel seasoning.  When I clean my barrel i do notice that it usually about 5-10 shots before the groups really tighten up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Up7dk-kQE
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2022, 09:42:54 AM
Not sure myself was waiting to hear what others say.

It gets stated over and over but not much detail as to why.

I'm too lazy to google, but maybe carbon fouling the lining of the barrel creates a tighter seal for the head. So less wobble as it leaves the barrel?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 31, 2022, 10:05:13 AM
Esk808...you were right.  They used the Lilja 3 chamber reamer cut for Eley.  Lilja said Eley Match should work well...and of course it does.  Gotta be the one type of ammo that I have a limited supply of.  At least lapua center x shoots ok too.  Will test out more at 100 yds.  Thanks for everyone's feedback/suggestions.

Can you post the email from Lilja?   You see, there are several types of Eley reamers:     https://pacifictoolandgauge.com/1542-22-cal-239-cal-chamber-reamer-nopix-

22 Eley Carbide EPS Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer

22 Eley EPS Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer

22 Eley EPS Rimfire Chamber Reamer

22 Eley Short Action Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer


When I got the specs from Lilja for my barrel, the schematic said "22 Eley EPS Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer",  so I also thought it was for the Eley Match (black box) ammo. So got the Match (black box ammo).

Reading it carefully, the chamber reamer is cut for the EPS (flat-nose bullet) in a "Match" (tight spec chamber), not the black box ammo. 

Eley makes several grades of that Eley EPS (flat-nose bullet) such as Tenex, Match, Club, Practice, etc.
They also make round-nose bullets.

Having said that, I went to Kokohead yesterday, and shot my Anschutz with the Lilja barrel.  RWS R50 shot the best yesterday !   Second was the new lot of Lapua Midas+....   Eley Tenex and Match shot ok, but R50 and Midas shot a little better...  Go figure.....

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 10:58:13 AM
Not sure myself was waiting to hear what others say.

It gets stated over and over but not much detail as to why.
Ok.  Maybe not one of those things that can be quantified or "proven".  That said, that is your experience in transitions between ammo types?  I'll likely just do the "shoot 10" when transitioning.  While I am interested in more accuracy, I am mostly into it for overall shooting, not uber precision. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 11:00:26 AM
They and Green something make 1 for the RPRR, the cost is not worth the performance for my rifle IMO. The barrel cost way more than the rifle and the grouping wasn't improved that much.  I'm not the best shooter, so I rely on the 22 forums who have better shooters and they posted b4/after pics.

If I were to upgrade to Lilja, then I would go down the rabbit hole of buying/building a better 22.
Do it!   ;D

I'm still trying not to, or in denial, go sliding head first down that rabbit hole.  Good thing is that I have centerfire bolt action keeping me occupied, both attention and $$$. . .  :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 31, 2022, 11:10:33 AM
Can you post the email from Lilja?   You see, there are several types of Eley reamers:     https://pacifictoolandgauge.com/1542-22-cal-239-cal-chamber-reamer-nopix-

22 Eley Carbide EPS Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer

22 Eley EPS Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer

22 Eley EPS Rimfire Chamber Reamer

22 Eley Short Action Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer


When I got the specs from Lilja for my barrel, the schematic said "22 Eley EPS Match Rimfire Chamber Reamer",  so I also thought it was for the Eley Match (black box) ammo. So got the Match (black box ammo).

Reading it carefully, the chamber reamer is cut for the EPS (flat-nose bullet) in a "Match" (tight spec chamber), not the black box ammo. 

Eley makes several grades of that Eley EPS (flat-nose bullet) such as Tenex, Match, Club, Practice, etc.
They also make round-nose bullets.

Having said that, I went to Kokohead yesterday, and shot my Anschutz with the Lilja barrel.  RWS R50 shot the best yesterday !   Second was the new lot of Lapua Midas+....   Eley Tenex and Match shot ok, but R50 and Midas shot a little better...  Go figure.....

Esk808—
Lilja response was short and simple…”it was cut using their Lilja 3 chamber reamer”.  I asked if there’s a specific type of Eley round that I should try.  I let them know I had some Tenex, Match and 1/2 box of Eley team.  They said to test those. 

Not very specific from Eley.  The Eley match (black box) shot good the other day.  Then again maybe different headspace or action screw torque could change results for me.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 31, 2022, 11:19:55 AM
I'll likely just do the "shoot 10" when transitioning.  While I am interested in more accuracy, I am mostly into it for overall shooting, not uber precision.

Hi Drck1000,

Eley Match shot ok, as I wrote in an earlier response.

I usually get my "grass-cutting green line with VFG pellets" and run it through dry 2x to just get the powder particles out of the barrel.  I do this whenever I switch ammo brands, and when I shoot 2 boxes/100 rds.

I notice that my barrels need about 5-10 shots before settling down to shoot groups.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 12:20:41 PM
Hi Drck1000,

Eley Match shot ok, as I wrote in an earlier response.

I usually get my "grass-cutting green line with VFG pellets" and run it through dry 2x to just get the powder particles out of the barrel.  I do this whenever I switch ammo brands, and when I shoot 2 boxes/100 rds.

I notice that my barrels need about 5-10 shots before settling down to shoot groups.
What do you think about say a boresnake?  Seems like it's mostly to clear out crud/crap, not really clean carbon or other stuff.  From what I read, lead build-up isn't a concern.  Plating was another potential concern, but I won't be shooting plated bullets that much, or at least when I'm testing the match or better ammo.

Will I be able to tell?  Who knows.  I was able to shoot what I considered decent groups with CCI Velocitors.  That said, I do understand that the "more precision" thing gets exponentially tougher (not linear).  At least very much so for centerfire. 
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 31, 2022, 12:27:23 PM
Ok.  Maybe not one of those things that can be quantified or "proven".  That said, that is your experience in transitions between ammo types?  I'll likely just do the "shoot 10" when transitioning.  While I am interested in more accuracy, I am mostly into it for overall shooting, not uber precision.


Yes lower grade ammo might shoot better or worse after you run some eley or SK or lapua or other higher end brands because of the lube and other factors and vice versa. May shoot better or worse with a specific headspace.

You can try and test for yourself to see how your barrel behaves which is the only way to tell. Your barrel and headspace may like a particular bullet/ammo. That’s where the black hole starts.

Hard to provide a definitive answer as every barrel chamber and gun is diff. Only way to know is to test correctly as stated in other comments.

If your not chasing Uber accuracy stick to any lead bullet avoid Federal.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 12:54:50 PM
Yes lower grade ammo might shoot better or worse after you run some eley or SK or lapua or other higher end brands because of the lube and other factors and vice versa.

You can try and test for yourself to see how your barrel behaves which is the only way to tell. Your barrel and headspace may like a particular bullet/ammo. That’s where the black hole starts.

You can try and chrono the various ammo too if you want consistent FPS

If your not chasing Uber accuracy stick to any lead bullet avoid Federal.
I will certainly be doing testing.  I have Eley Match and Tenex, Lapua Midas, and RWS Rifle Match already on hand.  Have more Eley (Target and Match) on the way, with more RWS.  I appreciate the headspace and ammo correlation.  Though I HOPE to not go too far down that rabbit/black hole.  I may, but hope not to.  I hoped not to go off the deep end with centerfire rifles as well. 

I have the trigger for the Labradar, so I can use for the 22.  Just have to find a good way to mount.  I don't really care to put velcro patches all over the guns. 

While I be shooting mostly match ammo for testing, I envision trips to the silhouette range with friends and family.  My initial thought was to have them shoot some of my "cheaper" ammo, but even some of those were pushing the same prices as I can get say Eley Target. 
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 31, 2022, 01:21:42 PM
I will certainly be doing testing.  I have Eley Match and Tenex, Lapua Midas, and RWS Rifle Match already on hand.  Have more Eley (Target and Match) on the way, with more RWS.  I appreciate the headspace and ammo correlation.  Though I HOPE to not go too far down that rabbit/black hole.  I may, but hope not to.  I hoped not to go off the deep end with centerfire rifles as well. 

I have the trigger for the Labradar, so I can use for the 22.  Just have to find a good way to mount.  I don't really care to put velcro patches all over the guns. 

While I be shooting mostly match ammo for testing, I envision trips to the silhouette range with friends and family.  My initial thought was to have them shoot some of my "cheaper" ammo, but even some of those were pushing the same prices as I can get say Eley Target.
Carbon ring can work for you or against you. Test in lots of 100 or 200 and take good notes.

Check out rim fire central and search bullet engraving. Guys have tested a lot but your results may vary. Also look up vibration and effects on 22lr.

If you read enough on rimfire central there is a secret to getting some low end ammo to shoot good, not great but good.
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 31, 2022, 01:25:50 PM
Also there should be videos and forums that talk about mods for the cz457 to increase accuracy.

But you have ask yourself how much is a 1/4 MOA worth?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 01:38:04 PM
Carbon ring can work for you or against you. Test in lots of 100 or 200 and take good notes.

Check out rim fire central and search bullet engraving. Guys have tested a lot but your results may vary. Also look up vibration and effects on 22lr.

If you read enough on rimfire central there is a secret to getting some low end ammo to shoot good, not great but good.
Yeah, not going there.  I have read some of their thread here and there, but usually from online searches.  Stuff like how CZ B/A sometimes need to watch out on cleaning rods.  Ended up with both .20 cal and .22 RF Boretech cleaning rods.  That was before Boretech confirmed their .22 RF rods are gtg for CZ.  Add to that the jags are different threads. . .  :(

I consider this a started B/A. Eventually likely a beater rifle. 

Also there should be videos and forums that talk about mods for the cz457 to increase accuracy.

But you have ask yourself how much is a 1/4 MOA worth?
There are lots.  I've watched many.  Mostly from Pursuit of Accuracy and Area 419. 

The "how much is 0.25 MOA worth" came up in a video recently with Erik Cortina.  I'm not chasing 0.25 MOA in particular, but I have thrown down a bunch of $$$ to get most out of what I currently have going.  SAC dies the most recent for centerfire.  Certainly not chasing that for .22 lr B/A. 
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on January 31, 2022, 01:51:15 PM
Yeah, not going there.  I have read some of their thread here and there, but usually from online searches.  Stuff like how CZ B/A sometimes need to watch out on cleaning rods.  Ended up with both .20 cal and .22 RF Boretech cleaning rods.  That was before Boretech confirmed their .22 RF rods are gtg for CZ.  Add to that the jags are different threads. . .  :(

I consider this a started B/A. Eventually likely a beater rifle. 
There are lots.  I've watched many.  Mostly from Pursuit of Accuracy and Area 419. 

The "how much is 0.25 MOA worth" came up in a video recently with Erik Cortina.  I'm not chasing 0.25 MOA in particular, but I have thrown down a bunch of $$$ to get most out of what I currently have going.  SAC dies the most recent for centerfire.  Certainly not chasing that for .22 lr B/A.
Yah I did the same on the advice of someone who I found out later had no clue what their talking about. I got a 17 cal rod which just collects dust and a 22 - 6.5 cal rod which is a good all around size. For clarification I went with the Vstiks

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Boretech Rods seems to be all undersized. If you’re concerned about scratching the bore, delrin jags might be an option. Or what Esk uses the grass nylon cable, quick and easy.

I was thinking about a tuner which should help fine tune accuracy for cheap but since gave up shooting 22lr for center fire.

Sounds like you have one foot in the rabbit hole with all that ammo.

We are going to need a review of that SAC die
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 31, 2022, 02:16:02 PM
Just received from JGS Precision, my 22 Nevius chamber reamer.
It's for my Anschutz 2013 with the clamp-style barrel.

22 Nevius is supposed to be a match chamber reamer specifically tailored to the Lapua Center-X or Midas+ ammo.

Now to send it off to Pennsylvania for machining.  Should take about a month or two.  Not going to hold my breath on this one.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on January 31, 2022, 04:02:59 PM
My 2 cents from much nearer the surface of the rabbit hole...

I'm having a lot of fun with my Savage Mark II TR & Vortex Diamondback Tactical. It shoots a bunch of ammo well enough for
 -- bolts at 100 meters and plates at 150 & 200 meters: Aguila SE SV, CCI SV, CCI MiniMags, CCI AR, Federal Gold Medal Target, S&B Club
 -- Silhouette Matches: Federal Champion and Blazer (both 40gr lead HV)

Being able to feed it such a wide variety of relatively cheap stuff is gold. If I had to feed it Lapua and Eley at 40+ cpr I wouldn't be shooting a fraction as much. I've put over 6,000 rounds through it since May 2021.

The next goal on my agenda is to get some 2.2" and 4.4" plates to hang at 200 meters. Currently the smallest thing I have to hang is a 6" circle.

That has been my 2 cents.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 04:18:43 PM
My 2 cents from much nearer the surface of the rabbit hole...

I'm having a lot of fun with my Savage Mark II TR & Vortex Diamondback Tactical. It shoots a bunch of ammo well enough for
 -- bolts at 100 meters and plates at 150 & 200 meters: Aguila SE SV, CCI SV, CCI MiniMags, CCI AR, Federal Gold Medal Target, S&B Club
 -- Silhouette Matches: Federal Champion and Blazer (both 40gr lead HV)

Being able to feed it such a wide variety of relatively cheap stuff is gold. If I had to feed it Lapua and Eley at 40+ cpr I wouldn't be shooting a fraction as much. I've put over 6,000 rounds through it since May 2021.

The next goal on my agenda is to get some 2.2" and 4.4" plates to hang at 200 meters. Currently the smallest thing I have to hang is a 6" circle.

That has been my 2 cents.
I've shot thousands of rounds through that very Savage B/A.  I think it's a great rifle and paired up with a decent 3-9 is great for a lot of shooting fun.  I long wanted one for myself for plinking, teaching, general range fun.  Then I got into "more precision" with centerfire, so ended up with a CZ457. 

40 CPR?  Dayum, you must be shooting some primo stuff!   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on January 31, 2022, 04:27:35 PM
I love 22’s. All 22’s. I own 5 rifles and 4 pistols and a conversion kit to turn my 9mm Glock into a 22. And there are at least 3 more I want to buy eventually. Including a suppressor. I shoot more 22 than any other caliber including 9mm. I have target rifles and pistols and I have plinkers as well. When I organize a range day for my family my 22’s are always the most popular of the guns I bring. I’m loving this thread where everyone is having their own fun and experiences with their firearms. While I probably won’t ever go down the same rabbit hole you guys are, I have already done so with my target pistols. I can’t have enough. 🥰
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 04:29:17 PM
I love 22’s. All 22’s. I own 5 rifles and 4 pistols and a conversion kit to turn my 9mm Glock into a 22. And there are at least 3 more I want to buy eventually. Including a suppressor. I shoot more 22 than any other caliber including 9mm. I have target rifles and pistols and I have plinkers as well. When I organize a range day for my family my 22’s are always the most popular of the guns I bring. I’m loving this thread where everyone is having their own fun and experiences with their firearms. While I probably won’t ever go down the same rabbit hole you guys are, I have already done so with my target pistols. I can’t have enough. 🥰
Bolt action. . . repeat after me. . . bolt action. . .  :rofl:

I still have to get the springs on the High Standard replaced and get that pistol shooting again  8)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on January 31, 2022, 04:33:49 PM
40 CPR?  Dayum, you must be shooting some primo stuff!   ;D

OK 31 cpr before tax and shipping for Eley Match, per ammoseek. Still, yikes.  8)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on January 31, 2022, 04:57:21 PM
Bolt action. . . repeat after me. . . bolt action. . .  :rofl:

I still have to get the springs on the High Standard replaced and get that pistol shooting again  8)
I have an Anschutz 64 bolt action. My first rifle. I bought it in 1972.

I have 4 High Standards. One revolver and 3 target models. One is ex US Military property from 1943 or 44.

I suggest you contact Alan Aronstein (Ex CEO of High Standard Manufacturing in TX) who owns InterarmsTX.com. He answers the phone. He has hired all the ex High Standard smiths from back in the day who are still alive and he can tell you where to send your gun to have the springs replaced and have the gun checked out for a reasonable price. They have all the parts and experience where most smiths won’t even touch a High Standard any more.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 31, 2022, 05:11:18 PM
I have an Anschutz 64 bolt action. My first rifle. I bought it in 1972.

I have 4 High Standards. One revolver and 3 target models. One is ex US Military property from 1943 or 44.

I suggest you contact Alan Aronstein (Ex CEO of High Standard Manufacturing in TX) who owns InterarmsTX.com. He answers the phone. He has hired all the ex High Standard smiths from back in the day who are still alive and he can tell you where to send your gun to have the springs replaced and have the gun checked out for a reasonable price. They have all the parts and experience where most smiths won’t even touch a High Standard any more.
1972? 50 years ago.  :o

Will have to keep that in mind. Hopefully see some relief from this work craziness in a couple of weeks. Will hopefully be back on the range as well as getting my dad’s old HS looked at. In rest the resale value  :P
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on January 31, 2022, 05:22:15 PM
1972? 50 years ago.  :o

Will have to keep that in mind. Hopefully see some relief from this work craziness in a couple of weeks. Will hopefully be back on the range as well as getting my dad’s old HS looked at. In rest the resale value  :P
I’m old. I found the receipt for it in my father’s papers after he died. I was 13 when I bought it.

You can sell me your HS and I’ll take very good care of it.  :love:  I’ll even send you a pic of it with its siblings sitting in my safe.  :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 01, 2022, 08:43:02 AM
I’m old. I found the receipt for it in my father’s papers after he died. I was 13 when I bought it.

You can sell me your HS and I’ll take very good care of it.  :love:  I’ll even send you a pic of it with its siblings sitting in my safe.  :rofl:
That's some history.  On some of my dad's guns, there are stuff like pricing info or labels and other markings on the box.  Found all of that super interesting.  There were a bunch of guns that I didn't even know my dad had.  Wished I knew and could have chatted with him about them. 

Oh, my HS isn't looking to go anywhere.  That said, it's probably being "neglected" through lack of attention.   :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 01, 2022, 08:52:08 AM
Just received from JGS Precision, my 22 Nevius chamber reamer.
It's for my Anschutz 2013 with the clamp-style barrel.

22 Nevius is supposed to be a match chamber reamer specifically tailored to the Lapua Center-X or Midas+ ammo.

Now to send it off to Pennsylvania for machining.  Should take about a month or two.  Not going to hold my breath on this one.
Wow!  :o  Now that's getting next level!  Getting your own reamer(s).  I'm seeing a lot more folks investing in some heavy equipment like lathes for doing their own work like chambering, crowning, threading, etc. 

Too bad we didn't have more gunsmiths locally, or ability to drive to a neighboring state to do so. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Inspector on February 01, 2022, 08:59:02 AM
That's some history.  On some of my dad's guns, there are stuff like pricing info or labels and other markings on the box.  Found all of that super interesting.  There were a bunch of guns that I didn't even know my dad had.  Wished I knew and could have chatted with him about them. 

Oh, my HS isn't looking to go anywhere.  That said, it's probably being "neglected" through lack of attention.   :(
I’ll tell you a funny story about my buying my Anshcutz. I was getting pretty good at shooting a rifle at the NRA Jr Rifle Club in Long Beach, CA. The club provided the rifles and the ammunition that we shot. I wanted to start competing so my dad made me an offer. He said the cost of the gun, the Redfield Olympic Peep Sights and the gunsmithing required to mount the sights would cost me about $200. The deal was if I saved up $100 he would match my $100. I immediately got a job working for a neighbor making $1.75/hour. It didn’t take me long to make $100. I handed it to my dad and within a few weeks I had the rifle with sights, case and everything. I competed with that rifle for many years and won a state match in my age group. I think I was 14 at the time.

Fast forward to 2008 when my dad died. My brother and I were going through all his papers and my brother found the receipt for the Anschutz, Redfield sights and the gunsmithing to mount the sights. Do you know what it cost back in 1972? It cost exactly $112. My dad was pake to the max. 😂
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 01, 2022, 11:20:43 AM
Bolt action. . . repeat after me. . . bolt action. . .  :rofl:


Picking up Mrs. CMO's 22 KIDD semi auto this weekend.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 01, 2022, 11:34:07 AM
Picking up Mrs. CMO's 22 KIDD semi auto this weekend.
:geekdanc:

What rings did you end up with? 

So when is the CMO vs Mrs. CMO challenge?  Range day at silhouette side?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 01, 2022, 11:52:41 AM
:geekdanc:

What rings did you end up with? 

So when is the CMO vs Mrs. CMO challenge?  Range day at silhouette side?

Builder was able to mod the rifle so it didn't need higher rings. IDK what was done, over my pay grade. He did say that he test fired it to make sure it functions and the mod holds.  I asked if he zero'd and he said no. I should have rubbed leg, would have saved ammo trying to zero.

Once we get everything going, I'll post and we can have a range day challenge.

Does anyone know if keeping a barrel fouled for X months is fine?  I haven't shot my 22 in like 6 months and didn't clean it b4 putting in the safe.

Funny story, prior to COVID, had a friend offer a brick of SK Red box once her build is done. I don't wanna hit him up due to the cost of ammo now. But if he brings it up, we won't decline.  This guy only shoots SK red box and has a KIDD semi auto, which is what Mrs. CMO based her purchase on.  She liked his rifle and scope.  She is against buying used firearms, but would have considered his rifle if it were for sale.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 01, 2022, 12:57:14 PM
Builder was able to mod the rifle so it didn't need higher rings. IDK what was done, over my pay grade. He did say that he test fired it to make sure it functions and the mod holds.  I asked if he zero'd and he said no. I should have rubbed leg, would have saved ammo trying to zero.

Once we get everything going, I'll post and we can have a range day challenge.

Does anyone know if keeping a barrel fouled for X months is fine?  I haven't shot my 22 in like 6 months and didn't clean it b4 putting in the safe.

Funny story, prior to COVID, had a friend offer a brick of SK Red box once her build is done. I don't wanna hit him up due to the cost of ammo now. But if he brings it up, we won't decline.  This guy only shoots SK red box and has a KIDD semi auto, which is what Mrs. CMO based her purchase on.  She liked his rifle and scope.  She is against buying used firearms, but would have considered his rifle if it were for sale.
Give me $50 and I'll zero your rifle. 

From what I read/heard/watched, .22 lr are forgiving with regards to cleaning, or not cleaning. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on February 01, 2022, 03:05:56 PM
Give me $50 and I'll zero your rifle. 

I'll do it for $40  >:D
You supply the ammo of course.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 01, 2022, 05:44:16 PM
I'll do it for $40  >:D
You supply the ammo of course.
Bruh

I’ll do it for $35 and I’ll throw in 10 rounds of .22 lr.

 ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 01, 2022, 06:27:15 PM
I jokenly told a friend something like that foe his AK. He spent 50rds and still wasnt zerod. Wasnt even on paper. So thats $25 in ammo he wasted. I had to do it for him and took 10rds. First 4 were finding where the rds was hitting.

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 01, 2022, 06:32:59 PM
I jokenly told a friend something like that foe his AK. He spent 50rds and still wasnt zerod. Wasnt even on paper. So thats $25 in ammo he wasted. I had to do it for him and took 10rds. First 4 were finding where the rds was hitting.

Yeah, using a laser sight tool or simply doing a mechanical zero will usually get you on paper.  Then it just takes a few rounds to get it on zero.

Another way is to mount a red dot if you can.  Look through the barrel and see if the dot is centered by placing the ring of the barrel on a point on the wall.  When the ring is centered on that point as well as the dot, it's pretty close.  Iron backup sights can them be adjusted to co-witness with the red dot.

Going through those steps before hitting the range saves lots of ammo and frustration. 

Side note:  If you aren't hitting paper after all that, use a larger target!     :geekdanc: :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 02, 2022, 08:09:22 AM
I jokenly told a friend something like that foe his AK. He spent 50rds and still wasnt zerod. Wasnt even on paper. So thats $25 in ammo he wasted. I had to do it for him and took 10rds. First 4 were finding where the rds was hitting.

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Dat foe?  Or dis foe? 

50 rounds for AK is quite a lot.  I've seen some pretty canted front sights on AKs.  My 22 rifle was pretty easy to sight in.  With B/A, easy to pull the bolt and boresight and get pretty close.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 02, 2022, 09:16:32 AM
Dat foe?  Or dis foe? 

50 rounds for AK is quite a lot.  I've seen some pretty canted front sights on AKs.  My 22 rifle was pretty easy to sight in.  With B/A, easy to pull the bolt and boresight and get pretty close.

He is a noob and didn't know about bore sighting either.  And neither did I when I first began. Flip uncle at the range showed me what's up.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 02, 2022, 09:56:14 AM
He is a noob and didn't know about bore sighting either.  And neither did I when I first began. Flip uncle at the range showed me what's up.
Slick?  Short, kinda stocky? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 02, 2022, 11:29:57 AM
Slick?  Short, kinda stocky?

Yup, and due to his thick accent, can't understand him half the time.  The missing finger guy helped me too early on.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 02, 2022, 02:01:11 PM
Yup, and due to his thick accent, can't understand him half the time.  The missing finger guy helped me too early on.

Slick and Leonard are straight-up guys and are helpful if you need assistance.
Both are great !   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 03, 2022, 02:04:40 PM
Costs of new barrel:

Benchmark 30" (28" finished), 0.900" diameter, SS, 22LR  $345 plus $25 shipping

Gunsmith machining chamber and crown  $250 plus $50 shipping back to Hawaii

JGS Precision 22 Nevius chamber reamer $195 plus $10 shipping.

USPS shipping to gunsmith in Ohio  $40.00 with insurance

Total with reamer:  $915

Total without reamer: $710


Next barrel ordered will not need reamer.
I ordered my own reamer because if I am going through all this trouble and expense, I might as well get my own reamer...............

Plan to order a Muller 22LR barrel.  About 6-8 months waiting time.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 04, 2022, 01:51:02 PM
Costs of new barrel:

SNIP
Was that meant to inspire or scare?  :o

Nah.  Had similar conversation on another forum of starting with factory gun and upgrade and overall costs vs going with a custom gun.  It ain't cheap. . .
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 04, 2022, 06:03:11 PM
Was that meant to inspire or scare?  :o

Nah.  Had similar conversation on another forum of starting with factory gun and upgrade and overall costs vs going with a custom gun.  It ain't cheap. . .


Nah, too.  Just cost of upgrading a part on a rifle.  I think the basic rifle is worth upgrading, rather than going to a new custom BR rifle costing 5x or 10x more.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 04, 2022, 06:20:52 PM

Nah, too.  Just cost of upgrading a part on a rifle.  I think the basic rifle is worth upgrading, rather than going to a new custom BR rifle costing 5x or 10x more.

I've found it's an advantage if you're just learning to buy a factory sample first -- an "on sale" basic model is fine if it's cheaper.  As you decide on your wants and needs, upgrade as you go.  Once you start wanting to replace more critical parts like the barrel and receiver, it's time to buy the parts independently so you can get what you want.  You can even scavenger some of the upgraded parts for the new build and replace the original parts on the sample.

Keep the first rifle as a baseline. If you experience problems or get stuck figuring out how to put something together on the new build, the factory rifle may show you how something is installed, seated, oriented or functions.

My first AR15 was a Colt 6940.  Once I became comfortable upgrading furniture and triggers, I bought all the lower parts to assemble and a complete upper for my second AR.  The third one I built both the upper and lower from individual parts.  Having those samples to follow and gain experience modding made the full build a piece of cake.

I also accumulated the proper tools to work on my ARs, which I think makes the whole process easier.  Whether you are upgrading from factory or building from the ground up, this cost is going to make both upgrades and builds more expensive than the factory price tag normally.  I've always believed in picking the right tool for the job.  It saves time and money in the long run, and usually avoids problems caused going the "Bubba" route.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 04, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Did you clean the barrel between
 ammo tests?
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 04, 2022, 08:33:35 PM
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.

Hi Akubone,

.43 is the standard.

Why don't you try .44 for a lighter strike?  .41 might be too hard..........
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 04, 2022, 08:42:58 PM
Hi Akubone,

.43 is the standard.

Why don't you try .44 for a lighter strike?  .41 might be too hard..........
Esk808 ….I’ll go with your suggestion and try that.  I just figured that at .42 I didn’t have the failure to eject.  I’ll try and research the other forums on failure to eject casings with the Lilja barrel.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 05, 2022, 10:18:41 AM

Nah, too.  Just cost of upgrading a part on a rifle.  I think the basic rifle is worth upgrading, rather than going to a new custom BR rifle costing 5x or 10x more.
I hear ya.  I've done the upgrading of various rifles.  ARs and centerfire bolt action.  Very different animals, at least in my experience.  Or at least very different purposes for me.  For ARs, upgrade away, but I generally don't tinker with AR barrels at all.  Just shoot and move on.  I've updgraded a Rem 700 factory action, including truing and all that.  I think it can offer a middle ground progression in terms of cost, but also a middle ground solution, which can be fine depending how far one wanted to go.  Looking back, I ended up wasting $$$ on upgrading my factory Rem 700, but part of the experience and learning process.  That and I wasn't sure how far I wanted to go with centerfire B/A, but progressed to where I wanted to upgrade the action and not have the doubt if the factory action was limiting things. 

I'm not looking for BR or F-Class level, at least not for centerfire.  Will I end up going toward there with 22?  I don't think so, but who knows.  I am certainly open to upgrading the barrel on my CZ 457, but want to shoot the factory barrel for a good long while.  Maybe that will end up with going with a full custom 22 rifle.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 05, 2022, 10:21:10 AM
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.
What other match ammo have you got lined up?

I currently have Eley Match and Lapua Midas +.  More Eley Match on the way, along with Eley Target (wanted to try some "cheaper" Eley) and RWS Rifle Match.  Let me know if you'd like to sample any of that. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 05, 2022, 05:56:40 PM
What other match ammo have you got lined up?

I currently have Eley Match and Lapua Midas +.  More Eley Match on the way, along with Eley Target (wanted to try some "cheaper" Eley) and RWS Rifle Match.  Let me know if you'd like to sample any of that.

Thanks drck1000...I might take you up on that offer.  Maybe swap a couple of boxes of Eley Match if you have a different lot than me.  I'll be testing more Lapua Center X, RWS Rifle Match, SK Rifle Match, and another lot of Eley Match.  I remeasured my headspace with two different gauges and got .234 & .235.  The first time I used the shims I based everything on .234...I'll try basing it on .235.  Start with .043 and go to .042.  I had my action screws at 35 lbs but I'll try and go to 30 lbs and see if there's a difference. I think I'll go early tomorrow morning and test some ammo at 50yd & 100yds
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 05, 2022, 09:53:44 PM
Thanks drck1000...I might take you up on that offer.  Maybe swap a couple of boxes of Eley Match if you have a different lot than me.  I'll be testing more Lapua Center X, RWS Rifle Match, SK Rifle Match, and another lot of Eley Match.  I remeasured my headspace with two different gauges and got .234 & .235.  The first time I used the shims I based everything on .234...I'll try basing it on .235.  Start with .043 and go to .042.  I had my action screws at 35 lbs but I'll try and go to 30 lbs and see if there's a difference. I think I'll go early tomorrow morning and test some ammo at 50yd & 100yds
Yeah, sounds good. The next shipment of Eley Match is due in the next 2-3 weeks. I’ll have three different lots.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2022, 12:40:57 PM
Picking up Mrs. CMO's rifle this Saturday. Was supposed to be last sat, but something came up.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: DocMercy on February 09, 2022, 11:52:21 AM
Yeah, sounds good. The next shipment of Eley Match is due in the next 2-3 weeks. I’ll have three different lots.

I have asked two dealers (SEC/HighRollerGuns and Firearms International) in Oahu about bringing in some bricks of Eley .22LR Match ammo, and they haven't responded. At a CMP match, one of the guys in the audience told me that a mainland supplier ships the boxes here, once or twice a year. Which FFL is receiving it?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 09, 2022, 01:14:41 PM
I have asked two dealers (SEC/HighRollerGuns and Firearms International) in Oahu about bringing in some bricks of Eley .22LR Match ammo, and they haven't responded. At a CMP match, one of the guys in the audience told me that a mainland supplier ships the boxes here, once or twice a year. Which FFL is receiving it?

Don't know who is bringing in Eley via their FFL........

I am curious to see what response you get from SEC and Firearms International.  I suspect that they will only bring in what you want if it is prepaid.
High-priced 22LR ammo is really hard to sell in Honolulu with a small market of buyers.

PreCOVID, Young Guns were selling Eley Edge for $18 a box of 50.  (Online prices were $11 a box).  When I asked about any future shipments, they
said it was a slow mover, so probably no high-end 22LR ammo on order.....................    This was before I met up with Kaleoarms.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on February 16, 2022, 06:37:05 PM
CZ 457 firing pin spring for accuracy
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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 18, 2022, 05:18:23 PM
Noticed that BnR tactical has the new CZ 457 carbon fiber rifle in stock.  Looks like the manners stock with the adjustable cheek riser.  Not sure on the price though.😊
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 22, 2022, 08:40:09 AM
Scheduled to be off this Friday, so will try to head to the range to shoot some .22.  Have Lapua Midas +, Eley Match, and some RWS Rifle Match to test.  Next wave of .22 lr hopefully in a boat to Hawaii now. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 22, 2022, 11:04:02 AM
Scheduled to be off this Friday, so will try to head to the range to shoot some .22.  Have Lapua Midas +, Eley Match, and some RWS Rifle Match to test.  Next wave of .22 lr hopefully in a boat to Hawaii now.

Let us know how the testing goes.  You got some good ammo to test.  I think I’ll go again on Sunday.  Wind looks a lot better for shooting.  Must have been blowing solid 15-20 last week.  Tried to shoot out to 100yds.  The best group was 2” but the spread could be 4-5” depending on the wind strength & direction.  Ended up shooting KYL target with CCI SV @ 50.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 22, 2022, 12:37:19 PM
Let us know how the testing goes.  You got some good ammo to test.  I think I’ll go again on Sunday.  Wind looks a lot better for shooting.  Must have been blowing solid 15-20 last week.  Tried to shoot out to 100yds.  The best group was 2” but the spread could be 4-5” depending on the wind strength & direction.  Ended up shooting KYL target with CCI SV @ 50.
Will do.  Been looking forward to shooting this match/better ammo for a while.  I also switched to a Timney trigger.  I shot the stock one ok.  This Timney seems pretty solid though. 

Shooting with wind is part of why I want to shoot .22 lr more.  That said, probably not the best for testing ammo, or my confidence.  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on February 22, 2022, 12:44:25 PM
Only way is to shoot under the prevailing conditions of the day. Trigger time is the best teacher.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 22, 2022, 12:49:17 PM
Only way is to shoot under the prevailing conditions of the day. Trigger time is the best teacher.
Yeah.  When I head to the range, I'll shoot whatever gun and whatever conditions (as long as not hurricane  8) ). 

That said, with ammo lot testing for the .22lr, I would prefer less variables.  Not that the human variable isn't the biggest difference in group sizes. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on February 22, 2022, 12:59:41 PM
That said, with ammo lot testing for the .22lr, I would prefer less variables.  Not that the human variable isn't the biggest difference in group sizes.

For group testing I wouldn't trust the results on a windy day. Hard to come by real stillness though.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 22, 2022, 01:11:06 PM
For group testing I wouldn't trust the results on a windy day. Hard to come by real stillness though.
Yeah.  Not real stillness, but not 15-20+ mphs.  I would still shoot, just would likely shoot again with less wind(ier) conditions. 

I agree that trigger time tells a lot, especially with learning to shoot with the wind. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 25, 2022, 03:00:56 PM
Had the afternoon off, so decided to hit the range and shoot some .22 lr rifle. Was pleasantly surprised to run into a few friends that I haven’t seen in many months.  One was teaching a new shooter who recently bought his first AR (always good to see), and another helping a friend get ready for an upcoming hunt.

The weather was nice and cool, but also quite windy at times. The wind was enough that it occasionally would move my stand after the wedged worked free.

Shot groups with Eley Match, RWS Rifle Match, Eley Tenex, and Lapua Midas+. Winds were gusting at times, so tried to pause a little for somewhat constant wind conditions. Will shoot these same text boxes another day, but it was just good to get out and enjoy a day off shooting.

Shot (3) groups of 5 for each, with 10 foulers before starting the groups. I had removed the action and scope to change the trigger, but POI shift wasn’t much. Noticed that the RWS and Lapua had a lot of lube. Have to take a rag next range day.

Top to bot:
Eley Match
RWS Rifle Match
Eley Tenex
Lapua Midas+

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220226/e023e83174949b5989e070d19152e23f.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 25, 2022, 05:15:05 PM
drck1000…have you tried any of the cheaper ammo through your rifle?  Just wondering how the good stuff compares.  My CZ 457 mtr barrel shot CCI SV pretty well at 50yds but noticed a difference in the groups vs Eley Match at 100yds

Just curious…what CZ did you get?  At one?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on February 25, 2022, 05:25:24 PM
Had the afternoon off, so decided to hit the range and shoot some .22 lr rifle. Was pleasantly surprised to run into a few friends that I haven’t seen in many months.  One was teaching a new shooter who recently bought his first AR (always good to see), and another helping a friend get ready for an upcoming hunt.

The weather was nice and cool, but also quite windy at times. The wind was enough that it occasionally would move my stand after the wedged worked free.

Shot groups with Eley Match, RWS Rifle Match, Eley Tenex, and Lapua Midas+. Winds were gusting at times, so tried to pause a little for somewhat constant wind conditions. Will shoot these same text boxes another day, but it was just good to get out and enjoy a day off shooting.

Shot (3) groups of 5 for each, with 10 foulers before starting the groups. I had removed the action and scope to change the trigger, but POI shift wasn’t much. Noticed that the RWS and Lapua had a lot of lube. Have to take a rag next range day.

Top to bot:
Eley Match
RWS Rifle Match
Eley Tenex
Lapua Midas+

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220226/e023e83174949b5989e070d19152e23f.jpg)
Did you clean the barrel good between ammo changes especially the chamber area?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 25, 2022, 05:50:25 PM
drck1000…have you tried any of the cheaper ammo through your rifle?  Just wondering how the good stuff compares.  My CZ 457 mtr barrel shot CCI SV pretty well at 50yds but noticed a difference in the groups vs Eley Match at 100yds

Just curious…what CZ did you get?  At one?
Yup. I shot a box of CCi Velocitor. I posted the targets somewhere (not sure which thread). It shot pretty darn well. I bought that ammo recently, so paid about what I ended up getting Eley Target for. Probably also around price of SK Rifle Match.

I have CZ 457 AT-One. Plan is to shoot it a lot, but am tempted to try a Lilja barrel or other quality barrel.

I’ve heard good things about the MTR barrels as well. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t tempted to try one. Haha
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 25, 2022, 05:51:11 PM
Did you clean the barrel good between ammo changes especially the chamber area?
No. Just shot the foulers in between groups.
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on February 25, 2022, 05:55:20 PM
No. Just shot the foulers in between groups.
Try to clean the barrel good especially the chamber area and shoot one type of ammo each range session if you have time. Shoot about 100 rounds during that session.

Your results maybe a lot different.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 25, 2022, 06:08:23 PM
Try to clean the barrel good especially the chamber area and shoot one type of ammo each range session if you have time. Shoot about 100 rounds during that session.

Your results maybe a lot different.
Yeah. I saw how the groups tightened up after shooting the ones with lube on them. I had read a little about it, but didn’t think it was going to be like that. Moving forward, I’ll probably shoot one ammo type on a given range day. Just wanted to shoot the 22 today. I was going to shoot an AR as well, but got lazy.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 25, 2022, 06:13:00 PM
drck,

Looks like Eley Match and Lapua Midas+ shoots well in your rifle, given the windy conditions.

As others have said, you need to clean the fouling out of the barrel from one brand of ammo before you shoot another brand.
Then at least you get unadulterated results with that specific ammo.

To get into the rabbit hole deeper, a tuner would  tighten groups and lessen vertical stringing of groups.

What is the diameter of your barrel at the muzzle AND 1.5" back of the muzzle?
If it's close to 0.905" or so, maybe it will fit my Harrell.


Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on February 26, 2022, 07:36:46 AM
To get into the rabbit hole deeper, a tuner would  tighten groups and lessen vertical stringing of groups.

If you'll allow a voice to counter going deeper... Odds are good that you'll find a few things your CZ shoots great (MOA or slightly better). That's good enough to reliably knock bolts off a rail at 100 meters. Good enough to hit steel at 200 meters. With some luck your CZ will shoot that well with the "cheap" stuff like CCI SV. It might even shoot that well with MiniMags or Aguila SV. Spend your money on ammo volume. You'll shoot a lot more at 10-15 cpr than you will at 30+.

Go towards the light!

All due respect to esk808. A 22 rifle that puts up 0.2" - 0.3" groups is a true wonder and a worthy pursuit.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 26, 2022, 08:23:51 AM
drck,

Looks like Eley Match and Lapua Midas+ shoots well in your rifle, given the windy conditions.

As others have said, you need to clean the fouling out of the barrel from one brand of ammo before you shoot another brand.
Then at least you get unadulterated results with that specific ammo.

To get into the rabbit hole deeper, a tuner would  tighten groups and lessen vertical stringing of groups.

What is the diameter of your barrel at the muzzle AND 1.5" back of the muzzle?
If it's close to 0.905" or so, maybe it will fit my Harrell.
Yeah, knowing what I know now, I would approach testing of better ammo differently.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 26, 2022, 08:30:47 AM
If you'll allow a voice to counter going deeper... Odds are good that you'll find a few things your CZ shoots great (MOA or slightly better). That's good enough to reliably knock bolts off a rail at 100 meters. Good enough to hit steel at 200 meters. With some luck your CZ will shoot that well with the "cheap" stuff like CCI SV. It might even shoot that well with MiniMags or Aguila SV. Spend your money on ammo volume. You'll shoot a lot more at 10-15 cpr than you will at 30+.

Go towards the light!

All due respect to esk808. A 22 rifle that puts up 0.2" - 0.3" groups is a true wonder and a worthy pursuit.
Yeah. Interests and level of pursuit of accuracy varies. For .22 lr, not looking for benchrest accuracy. At least not yet.

The silhouette range is actually what I had in mind when first looking at .22 rifles a long time ago. I am still interested in testing what my rifle is capable of on paper and learning/improvement that shooting paper teaches. That said, from my adventures with centerfire, I appreciate the levels of precision. Especially going from say 1.0 MOA to 0.5 MOA m, and then 0.5 MOA to 0.25 MOA. It’s not linear.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 26, 2022, 05:50:35 PM
Shes finally done. Now to zero. Gonna use cci-sv as a baseline.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220227/979b34acfac3399c4a72ef53a9984ec1.jpg)

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Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 26, 2022, 06:34:30 PM
Shes finally done. Now to zero. Gonna use cci-sv as a baseline.

SNIP
Nice. Post some targets with that rifle and your RPR.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on February 26, 2022, 07:04:41 PM
Shes finally done. Now to zero. Gonna use cci-sv as a baseline.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220227/979b34acfac3399c4a72ef53a9984ec1.jpg)

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the rings look too high for a cheek weld…..
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on February 26, 2022, 07:10:47 PM
the rings look too high for a cheek weld…..
Chin weld
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: dogman on February 26, 2022, 07:44:00 PM
Chin weld
More amps
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 01, 2022, 10:11:20 AM
Quote from: Akubone1 on February 04, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.

Hi Akubone,

.43 is the standard.

Why don't you try .44 for a lighter strike?  .41 might be too hard..........


Akubone,

Nice seeing you at Kokohead on Sunday.

My bad............ :'(

You were on the right track........... headspacing for bolt-action rifles can be 0.041" .........................

I was reading a book on rimfire ammo by Steve Boelter, and he recommends 0.041"

My new barrel is done and sent to me from Ohio, and I'll be setting this barrel headspace to 0.042" instead of the standard 0.043".

(https://i.imgur.com/ATrYteq.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 01, 2022, 07:31:46 PM
Esk808…I tried .042 &..044…..042 was a little better.  I’ll try .041 on Sunday.  So interesting to test headspace as well as action screw torque.  Little changes really affect grouping.  .22 is addicting.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 01, 2022, 08:01:54 PM
Esk808…I tried .042 &..044…..042 was a little better.  I’ll try .041 on Sunday.  So interesting to test headspace as well as action screw torque.  Little changes really affect grouping.  .22 is addicting.

My Anschutz 2013 with Lilja barrel is headspaced at .043, and I'll headspace my new Benchmark barrel at .042.  (I only got gauges for .044, .043, and .042)


Just got a new scope from Eurooptics.com which was on sale.  March 10-60x 56mm High Master, buyonce/cryonce kind of scope. Got to get some 34mm scope rings now.......
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 01, 2022, 08:41:50 PM
My Anschutz 2013 with Lilja barrel is headspaced at .043, and I'll headspace my new Benchmark barrel at .042.  (I only got gauges for .044, .043, and .042)


Just got a new scope from Eurooptics.com which was on sale.  March 10-60x 56mm High Master, buyonce/cryonce kind of scope. Got to get some 34mm scope rings now.......

Wow…what an awesome set up.  Hope I see you on Sunday.  Would be good to get all the rimfire guys out together one day.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 04, 2022, 10:17:01 AM
As I shoot my .22 rifle more, I'm seeing more of the nuances of "more precision" shooting.  I had previously shot a lot of rounds out of Savage and other bolt actions with typically 3-9 power scopes, but that was mostly in the action bays and silhouette range.  Never really for precision/grouping. 

I took my 4-16 Vortex that was formerly on my Rem 700 .308 and put it on my CZ.  While it's great, I did notice that with .22, I could use a bit more power, or maybe better clarity.  That could also be due to being somewhat based on comparing the clarity of the nicer optics on my newer centerfire rifles.  I'll probably stick with the current scope, but there are times when I'm shooting my CZ and thinking "damn, it would be nice to have the 5-27 or 7-35 that are on my other rifles". 

I don't have plans to shoot NRL or other types of matches, but I can now see why some of those .22 lr rifle shooters on YT have some pretty darn nice glass on their competition rigs. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 04, 2022, 10:58:43 AM
drck,

Take a look at Facebook BR50 benches.  https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRimfire/photos/pcb.5198451770181365/5198420836851125/

I started with the NF12-42x 56mm Benchrest scope, which is the best value in the NF line.  You can use this scope for all BR rimfire and centerfire.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 04, 2022, 01:00:40 PM
drck,

Take a look at Facebook BR50 benches.  https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRimfire/photos/pcb.5198451770181365/5198420836851125/

I started with the NF12-42x 56mm Benchrest scope, which is the best value in the NF line.  You can use this scope for all BR rimfire and centerfire.
Hmm, interesting.  My preference is for any scope of that quality and price range would be multi-use/purpose, with potential (at least ideally) to use both for .22 rifle and my centerfire.  That scope seems great for high magnification, but reticle choices aren't my preference, at least current preference(s). 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 06, 2022, 08:53:04 PM
Shot all Eley Match today, but two different lots. Cleaned the barrel decently well after the last range day.

Shot 10 foulers before shooting groups to start (clean barrel) and between lots.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/a7481fcd4457fc9e4d3f440b550c56db.jpg)

Lot #1 (first batch/shipment of Eley Match) plus left over from a previous range day.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/1f172a02ca5178db57810fb8966fc94c.jpg)

Lot #2 (second batch of Eley Match)

Have another lot/batch to try. I was thinking about shooting some Eley Target, but decided to pass.

It was breezy at times and switching directions, but not bad.

Lot #1 had better groups. But also a few malfunctions or misfires. I think 3-4 in one box. Round would chamber, click. Bolt wouldn’t get bite on the case rim. Once I got the round out, had good strike on the case rim. I am guessing either dirty bolt/extractor or something else with the bolt. Second box of Eley and being more mindful of how I closed the bolt with more forward pressure and that stopped. I read that even the standard CZ chamber is tight and may need some time to wear in. But didn’t notice anything on the first 200 rounds, which included Eley Match.

Notes:
- Will have to try taller rings, which will allow me to move the scope slightly more forward. I’m using the rings for this scope from when I had it on a Rem 700. It work “ok”, but the mag dial clearance is super close if I mounted the scope more forward. The LOP adjustment on the stock is all the way out. I thought it worked ok when I set the scope at home and first couple range sessions, but noticed it wasn’t “natural” when shooting more groups.

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 06, 2022, 10:05:39 PM

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.

Hi drck1000,

I have this scope level on all my 22LR BR rifles.    https://www.accuracy1st.com/collections/6/Scope-Levels/
Harrell's scope level is good too.    https://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/scope-levels


Akubone has an after-market Lilja barrel on his CZ and he says it shoots better than the original barrel.....


A rimfire tuner does not need a threaded muzzle, as it just slips over the unthreaded muzzle.  The tuner itself is
bored according to the precise measurements  (diameter) at the muzzle (e.g. 0.905" is the diameter of a Shilen barrel)  and also 1" back of the muzzle.

              A rimfire standard is the Harrell tuner.          http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-rimfire-tuners-403

I have 3 of these Harrell tuners in black and silver for my Shilen & Lilja barrels on my 22s.  The black tuner has white numbers and easier to read, while silver is harder to read.
I also have a carbon fiber extension tube that fits on the Harrell tuner.  Also good to have are extra screw-on weights to the front of the tuner.

There are several 22LR tuners like BeeSting, Starik, JNL PRX III Tuner, etc. etc.

I got the BeeSting tuner for both Shlen and Lilja barrels at 0.905" and 0.955" barrels.  http://www.beesafeusa.com/beesting-tuner-bloop-tube.html



Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 06, 2022, 10:46:26 PM
Hi drck1000,

I have this scope level on all my 22LR BR rifles.    https://www.accuracy1st.com/collections/6/Scope-Levels/
Harrell's scope level is good too.    https://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/scope-levels


Akubone has an after-market Lilja barrel on his CZ and he says it shoots better than the original barrel.....


A rimfire tuner does not need a threaded muzzle, as it just slips over the unthreaded muzzle.  The tuner itself is
bored according to the precise measurements  (diameter) at the muzzle (e.g. 0.905" is the diameter of a Shilen barrel)  and also 1" back of the muzzle.

              A rimfire standard is the Harrell tuner.          http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-rimfire-tuners-403

I have 3 of these Harrell tuners in black and silver for my Shilen & Lilja barrels on my 22s.  The black tuner has white numbers and easier to read, while silver is harder to read.
I also have a carbon fiber extension tube that fits on the Harrell tuner.  Also good to have are extra screw-on weights to the front of the tuner.

There are several 22LR tuners like BeeSting, Starik, JNL PRX III Tuner, etc. etc.

I got the BeeSting tuner for both Shlen and Lilja barrels at 0.905" and 0.955" barrels.  http://www.beesafeusa.com/beesting-tuner-bloop-tube.html
Thanks. I have that level. I had it on a previous .308. I’ve since gone to either Flatline Ops Halo-X or Spuhr bubble level that attaches to the Spuhr scope mount. I like the sensitivity of those bubble level models.

The tuner I am (most likely) going to get is a thread on. It attaches via a 1/2-28 adapter. The CZ barrel is threaded, so I can use it with that. The adapter isn’t in stock right now, otherwise I would already have ordered. I’ve found the Lilja threaded barrel in stock. Waiting on a reply from the vendor on a couple of things.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 06, 2022, 11:05:25 PM
That Flatline Ops Halo-X scope level looks real good.
I'll read about it and maybe get it for my 34mm March scope backordered.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 07, 2022, 07:16:17 AM
Threaded adapter for tuner came back in stock this morning, so put in the order for the adapter and tuner.  Will try it on the stock CZ barrel as I wait to iron out some things before ordering the Lilja barrel. 

Going to need to order some more ..22 lr ammo. . .  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 07, 2022, 08:29:30 AM
That Flatline Ops Halo-X scope level looks real good.
I'll read about it and maybe get it for my 34mm March scope backordered.
I've been using it on a previous .308 and I really like it.  Super easy to see, easy to mount w/o taking scope out of mount (or rings), and doesn't take up much space. 

The Accuracy First level was good, but I like the Flatline Ops a lot more now after having some time with it.  Super easy to see and bubble size is responsive, but easy to get level (not bouncing around like some levels with smaller bubbles). 

I have a Spuhr mount bubble level on another gun because I wanted the level further forward.  Due to eye relief, the Flatline Ops needed to go in front of the near mount ring, which put the bubble really close to my eye.  It was "ok", but having it more forward really helps with my vision. 

Sucks that I now have scope in the 30 mm, 34 mm, and 36 mm tube diameters, so can't rally swap between the scope that easily for the tube mounted levels. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 07, 2022, 11:13:52 AM
Shot all Eley Match today, but two different lots. Cleaned the barrel decently well after the last range day.

Shot 10 foulers before shooting groups to start (clean barrel) and between lots.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/a7481fcd4457fc9e4d3f440b550c56db.jpg)

Lot #1 (first batch/shipment of Eley Match) plus left over from a previous range day.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/1f172a02ca5178db57810fb8966fc94c.jpg)

Lot #2 (second batch of Eley Match)

Have another lot/batch to try. I was thinking about shooting some Eley Target, but decided to pass.

It was breezy at times and switching directions, but not bad.

Lot #1 had better groups. But also a few malfunctions or misfires. I think 3-4 in one box. Round would chamber, click. Bolt wouldn’t get bite on the case rim. Once I got the round out, had good strike on the case rim. I am guessing either dirty bolt/extractor or something else with the bolt. Second box of Eley and being more mindful of how I closed the bolt with more forward pressure and that stopped. I read that even the standard CZ chamber is tight and may need some time to wear in. But didn’t notice anything on the first 200 rounds, which included Eley Match.

Notes:
- Will have to try taller rings, which will allow me to move the scope slightly more forward. I’m using the rings for this scope from when I had it on a Rem 700. It work “ok”, but the mag dial clearance is super close if I mounted the scope more forward. The LOP adjustment on the stock is all the way out. I thought it worked ok when I set the scope at home and first couple range sessions, but noticed it wasn’t “natural” when shooting more groups.

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.

What did  you use on the front of the rifle? KHSC bag of rice, bipod, etc... Also any rear bag?

I remember when doing ammo testing, Agula shot very well and had a nice sweet smell to it, but it would get stuck in my chamber.  Good thing a friend had a cleaning rod and we pounded the brass out. 2 of 10 rds the brss would not eject.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 07, 2022, 11:38:57 AM
What did  you use on the front of the rifle? KHSC bag of rice, bipod, etc... Also any rear bag?

I remember when doing ammo testing, Agula shot very well and had a nice sweet smell to it, but it would get stuck in my chamber.  Good thing a friend had a cleaning rod and we pounded the brass out. 2 of 10 rds the brss would not eject.
Harris bipod at front of rifle.  Was using an Armageddon Gear rear bag.   

The Eley Match had a distinctive smell to it.  The first new box had a noticeable coating/wax.  Didn't notice it the first time I shot Eley Match.  Or at least it didn't slime me like the RWS Rifle Match. 

I had a cleaning rod in my bag since I was thinking about shooting a different brand ammo.  But only ended up shooting the Eley. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 07, 2022, 12:23:46 PM
Harris bipod at front of rifle.  Was using an Armageddon Gear rear bag.   

The Eley Match had a distinctive smell to it.  The first new box had a noticeable coating/wax.  Didn't notice it the first time I shot Eley Match.  Or at least it didn't slime me like the RWS Rifle Match. 

I had a cleaning rod in my bag since I was thinking about shooting a different brand ammo.  But only ended up shooting the Eley.

Dp you plan to run the cheap ammo just for comparison? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 07, 2022, 01:09:46 PM
Dp you plan to run the cheap ammo just for comparison?
What do you consider cheap? 

I have some Eley Target that I will be testing.  It was around $80/500, so 0.16/rd.  If/when I can get some, I am planning on picking up some more .22 lr ammo in the $8-12/50 range. 

I still have some CCi mini-mags.  I bought that a long time ago.  I think around 0.08ish/rd.  Probably save those for my semi-auto pistols.  If I can get a hold of some cheaper ammo, say in the 0.10/rd range, I'm down to try.  For now, stuff like Eley Target, Lapua Center X, etc are easier to get.  They are more expensive, but I don't mind. 

I have a bunch of CCi Velocitor, but read directions to avoid that and Stingers for if/when I get a new barrel with match chamber.

ETA - I think the CCi Velocitors were in the $9/50 range when I bought maybe 4-6 months ago locally.  For that price, I'd rather wait for some SK .22 lr, as well as pay a little more for Eley Match or other brands that are in that range.   
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 07, 2022, 01:42:36 PM
What do you consider cheap? 

I have some Eley Target that I will be testing.  It was around $80/500, so 0.16/rd.  If/when I can get some, I am planning on picking up some more .22 lr ammo in the $8-12/50 range. 

I still have some CCi mini-mags.  I bought that a long time ago.  I think around 0.08ish/rd.  Probably save those for my semi-auto pistols.  If I can get a hold of some cheaper ammo, say in the 0.10/rd range, I'm down to try.  For now, stuff like Eley Target, Lapua Center X, etc are easier to get.  They are more expensive, but I don't mind. 

I have a bunch of CCi Velocitor, but read directions to avoid that and Stingers for if/when I get a new barrel with match chamber.

ETA - I think the CCi Velocitors were in the $9/50 range when I bought maybe 4-6 months ago locally.  For that price, I'd rather wait for some SK .22 lr, as well as pay a little more for Eley Match or other brands that are in that range.   

Like CCI stuff and standard velocity.  The RPRR also states to not use stingers.  When I used Blazer grey box, my grouping was like shotgun bird shot.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 07, 2022, 11:57:28 PM
Today felt like Christmas.

I got my Benchmark barrel for my Anschutz 2013- 28" barrel, 3-groove, 0.905" diameter, 22 Nevius chamber specifically cut for Lapua, cone breech.
Took about 1 month to ship from Honolulu to Ohio, and back.


Also, Kelbly 34mm scope rings to fit the Anschutz 11mm dovetail base AND Accuracy 1st scope bubble.

Scope is backordered and will take 1-2 months .................

A 34mm scope tube is big, and the rings are big........ been used to 30mm scope tubes until now.
See how 4mm makes a big difference from 30mm > 34mm.


Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 02:11:09 AM
Shot all Eley Match today, but two different lots. Cleaned the barrel decently well after the last range day.

Shot 10 foulers before shooting groups to start (clean barrel) and between lots.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/a7481fcd4457fc9e4d3f440b550c56db.jpg)

Lot #1 (first batch/shipment of Eley Match) plus left over from a previous range day.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/1f172a02ca5178db57810fb8966fc94c.jpg)

Lot #2 (second batch of Eley Match)

Have another lot/batch to try. I was thinking about shooting some Eley Target, but decided to pass.

It was breezy at times and switching directions, but not bad.

Lot #1 had better groups. But also a few malfunctions or misfires. I think 3-4 in one box. Round would chamber, click. Bolt wouldn’t get bite on the case rim. Once I got the round out, had good strike on the case rim. I am guessing either dirty bolt/extractor or something else with the bolt. Second box of Eley and being more mindful of how I closed the bolt with more forward pressure and that stopped. I read that even the standard CZ chamber is tight and may need some time to wear in. But didn’t notice anything on the first 200 rounds, which included Eley Match.

Notes:
- Will have to try taller rings, which will allow me to move the scope slightly more forward. I’m using the rings for this scope from when I had it on a Rem 700. It work “ok”, but the mag dial clearance is super close if I mounted the scope more forward. The LOP adjustment on the stock is all the way out. I thought it worked ok when I set the scope at home and first couple range sessions, but noticed it wasn’t “natural” when shooting more groups.

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.
How many rounds before the vertical stringing happened?

Did you scope the barrel to see if you have a carbon ring after shooting?

Some ammo it forms quickly depending on the barrel.

Cheek weld makes a difference in vertical stringing.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 11:49:33 AM
1) How many rounds before the vertical stringing happened?

2) Did you scope the barrel to see if you have a carbon ring after shooting?

Some ammo it forms quickly depending on the barrel.

3) Cheek weld makes a difference in vertical stringing.
1) I shot the targets (1) first (50 rounds), then (2) next (50 rounds), and then (P) last (25 rounds).  So it occured here and there.  Best I remember, it happened in the later groups in a given relay.  I noticed the vertical spread increasing.  So after a break and being mindful of cheek weld, the groups improved.  That's what shows up in the (P) groups, which was last and some of the better series of groups.

2) No.  I have a Teslong borescope, but haven't used it for the CS 457. 

3) Yeah, what I suspected was the main cause of some groups opening up. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 08, 2022, 11:59:08 AM


3) Yeah, what I suspected was the main cause of some groups opening up.

22 rifles are like voodoo. The smallest thing u wouldn't  think about can affect it. Cheek weld, level rifle, mags, position of sandbag, etc...
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 12:06:18 PM
22 rifles are like voodoo. The smallest thing u wouldn't  think about can affect it. Cheek weld, level rifle, mags, position of sandbag, etc...
I am aware of stuff like body position and pressures (including cheek weld) affect .22 lr.  The magnification of things with rimfire rifle is one of the main reasons I wanted this .22 lr rifle.  Prior to getting into precision centerfire, I mostly wanted a rimfire bolt action for plinking at the silhouette range. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 08, 2022, 12:50:47 PM
................ I mostly wanted a rimfire bolt action for plinking at the silhouette range.

Famous last words.... rimfire bolt action for plinking...................

You are far down the rabbit hole of BR 22LR ......  you getting close to where I am in the bottomless hole..............   ;)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 01:20:10 PM
Famous last words.... rimfire bolt action for plinking...................

You are far down the rabbit hole of BR 22LR ......  you getting close to where I am in the bottomless hole..............   ;)
That's still very much the plan for this rifle, as well as good rifle to take newer/newish shooters to the range. 

Yeah, I'm still fighting to stay near the top of the rabbit hole.  I am having a lot of fun shooting the CZ 457.  Big thanks to Kaleo for all that they do that is "feeding" this addiction interest.  I already ordered the tuner for the CZ 457.  I am probably going to order the Lilja barrel in the next week.  I am "trying" to stick with the OEM stock, but have been looking at some chassis.   :o
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 01:29:25 PM
1) I shot the targets (1) first (50 rounds), then (2) next (50 rounds), and then (P) last (25 rounds).  So it occured here and there.  Best I remember, it happened in the later groups in a given relay.  I noticed the vertical spread increasing.  So after a break and being mindful of cheek weld, the groups improved.  That's what shows up in the (P) groups, which was last and some of the better series of groups.

2) No.  I have a Teslong borescope, but haven't used it for the CS 457. 

3) Yeah, what I suspected was the main cause of some groups opening up.
Scope the CZ before cleaning and let us know what you see?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 01:38:41 PM
Scope the CZ before cleaning and let us know what you see?
Too late.  Cleaned after I got home from that range day since I was planning on testing a different ammo batch.  I'll keep it in mind next time I do some ammo lot testing, likely with the Eley Match.  Depending on when I can get to the range again next, I might have the tuner installed, so will be different context. 

I'll likely be doing some plinking this weekend with the 22 rifle though.   :geekdanc:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 01:39:42 PM
Did you scope it after cleaning? Is the carbon ring gone?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 01:47:49 PM
Did you scope it after cleaning? Is the carbon ring gone?
No, but I guess I can. 

Dunno about the 22, but for the new 308, I confirmed no carbon ring after cleaning.  Will see what I can see with the 22. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 02:09:23 PM
No, but I guess I can. 

Dunno about the 22, but for the new 308, I confirmed no carbon ring after cleaning.  Will see what I can see with the 22.
Yah my center fire guns don’t have carbon rings but the 22lr the ring appears quick in my factory barrel.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on March 08, 2022, 02:30:14 PM
So, what is the effect of this carbon ring and after what round count does it happen?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 08, 2022, 02:49:12 PM
So, what is the effect of this carbon ring and after what round count does it happen?

I'm not the expert on this, but there are lots of forum posts and articles all over the 'Net on the subject.

The consensus (if there is one to be found) is this mainly applies to smaller caliber rifles, as the larger caliber ones have more power and are lee affected by carbon or powder build-up around the neck of the casing.

Quote
An established carbon ring manifests itself with sudden and progressive spikes in pressure; pressures b
ordering on the dangerous and in most cases degradation in accuracy will result. The tremendous amount
of heat and pressure transforms carbon fouling into a ceramic coating that is difficult to remove once it has
welded itself in your rifling.

Every experienced match shooter, barrel builder, or gunsmith has his or her way of cleaning rifles but most
will agree that a hard carbon ring can’t be removed by standard cleaning methods, it has to be scrubbed out.
There lies the fine line between effectively removing the carbon ring and damaging your bore by using a
compound too aggressive, overdoing the process, or a combination of both.
https://alphamunitions.com/carbon-ring-build-up-resulting-problems-and-a-cure/

In most rifles, the ring appears just in front of the neck of the casing, and just before the lands and grooves start in the  barrel.  I've seen some recommend cleaning that area after 100 rds in a day or 200 rds over 2 days of shooting for a .22LR.  That schedule is intended to avoid any impact on accuracy AND to prevent the ring from building up more than a little scrubbing can remove.  How long it takes to affect accuracy will depend on the caliber, ammo, barrel and frequency/thoroughness of routine cleaning.

The more it builds up, the more aggressively you have to clean the ring, which increases the risk of damaging the barrel.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 08, 2022, 04:07:45 PM
So, what is the effect of this carbon ring and after what round count does it happen?

Here’s a video from Vudoo regarding cleaning & the carbon ring

https://youtu.be/lASCBw28F8I
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 06:49:00 PM
That’s one reason why guys have good luck with factory 22lr rifles, carbon ring build up shortens headspace which may increase accuracy.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 08:55:58 PM
No carbon ring. At least doesn’t show up. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/8b22499a5e85127f47c52150e06627df.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/7a6a5ce446a0aa8613cdb63bc5b23ac9.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 09:57:46 PM
here is a carbon ring after 75 rounds
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 10:22:01 PM
No carbon ring. At least doesn’t show up. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/8b22499a5e85127f47c52150e06627df.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220309/7a6a5ce446a0aa8613cdb63bc5b23ac9.jpg)
Barrel looks new, how many rounds down the pipe?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 10:23:31 PM
here is a carbon ring after 75 rounds
How far back from the start of the rifling? I didn’t see anything from the rifling all the way back.

The folks I’ve consulted mentioned using Boretech C4 and brushes. Then Boretech Chameleon gel for bad carbon rings. Will see what happened. I’ll likely shoot the stock barrel for a while before changing to a Lilja.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 10:25:00 PM
Barrel looks new, how many rounds down the pipe?
Around 300. Cleaned twice. First after 150 and the mixed ammo brands. Then after the last testing of Eley. Cleaned with Boretech Rimfire Blend.
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 10:59:07 PM
How far back from the start of the rifling? I didn’t see anything from the rifling all the way back.

The folks I’ve consulted mentioned using Boretech C4 and brushes. Then Boretech Chameleon gel for bad carbon rings. Will see what happened. I’ll likely shoot the stock barrel for a while before changing to a Lilja.
The freebore area is where I got the carbon ring. Boretech c4 is good stuff, let the patch soak in the barrel.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 08, 2022, 11:07:34 PM
The freebore area is where I got the carbon ring. Boretech c4 is good stuff, let the patch soak in the barrel.
Yeah. I have their whole line of solvents. Eliminator, C4, Copper for centerfire and Rimfire Blend for the CZ. Was using Wipe Out on the previous .308. Will still use for centerfire, but liking the Boretech stuff so far.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 08, 2022, 11:19:32 PM
Yeah. I have their whole line of solvents. Eliminator, C4, Copper for centerfire and Rimfire Blend for the CZ. Was using Wipe Out on the previous .308. Will still use for centerfire, but liking the Boretech stuff so far.
I tried the rimfire blend and it didn’t seem to do anything for me. I just stick with the c4 and eliminator. Switch to kg12 for copper and it takes all the copper out with one wet patch.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on March 09, 2022, 08:26:06 PM
Shot all Eley Match today, but two different lots. Cleaned the barrel decently well after the last range day.

Shot 10 foulers before shooting groups to start (clean barrel) and between lots.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/a7481fcd4457fc9e4d3f440b550c56db.jpg)

Lot #1 (first batch/shipment of Eley Match) plus left over from a previous range day.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/1f172a02ca5178db57810fb8966fc94c.jpg)

Lot #2 (second batch of Eley Match)

Have another lot/batch to try. I was thinking about shooting some Eley Target, but decided to pass.

It was breezy at times and switching directions, but not bad.

Lot #1 had better groups. But also a few malfunctions or misfires. I think 3-4 in one box. Round would chamber, click. Bolt wouldn’t get bite on the case rim. Once I got the round out, had good strike on the case rim. I am guessing either dirty bolt/extractor or something else with the bolt. Second box of Eley and being more mindful of how I closed the bolt with more forward pressure and that stopped. I read that even the standard CZ chamber is tight and may need some time to wear in. But didn’t notice anything on the first 200 rounds, which included Eley Match.

Notes:
- Will have to try taller rings, which will allow me to move the scope slightly more forward. I’m using the rings for this scope from when I had it on a Rem 700. It work “ok”, but the mag dial clearance is super close if I mounted the scope more forward. The LOP adjustment on the stock is all the way out. I thought it worked ok when I set the scope at home and first couple range sessions, but noticed it wasn’t “natural” when shooting more groups.

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.

Oh that was you this weekend? I saw you shooting. I was shooting off hand with my Mako a few stalls down from you.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 09, 2022, 10:08:26 PM
Oh that was you this weekend? I saw you shooting. I was shooting off hand with my Mako a few stalls down from you.
I was there Sunday around 12-2ish (I think).
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 10, 2022, 09:22:43 AM
I was there Sunday around 12-2ish (I think).

U gotta try Bushido's hurt feelings steel.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 10, 2022, 09:38:19 AM
U gotta try Bushido's hurt feelings steel.
I'm down.  Feelings are irrelevant, at least when it comes to shooting. 

Bring your RPR.  Challenge, bruh.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: macsak on March 10, 2022, 11:48:35 AM
I'm down.  Feelings are irrelevant, at least when it comes to shooting. 

Bring your RPR.  Challenge, bruh.

lul, range too far
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 10, 2022, 12:49:49 PM
I'm down.  Feelings are irrelevant, at least when it comes to shooting. 

Bring your RPR.  Challenge, bruh.

Sounds like a plan. Can zero Mrs. CMO's purple beast at the same time.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 10, 2022, 12:55:36 PM
Those with the 457 did you shape the firing pin yet?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 10, 2022, 03:42:02 PM
Those with the 457 did you shape the firing pin yet?

Not me.  I never felt the need to.  Stock mtr barrel shot CCI SV good as well as high end ammo.  Only had light strike when I installed the Lilja barrel and set the headspace at .045.  It’s down to .041 and has shot good.  No malfunctions/light strikes so far.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 10, 2022, 04:30:11 PM
Those with the 457 did you shape the firing pin yet?
Inspector and some here warned me about reading RimfireCentral. There are lots of pages about this issue.

Are you looking to get a CZ457?

I’m not really one to tweak stuff like FCG, firing pin, etc. But who knows, y’all pushing me down the rabbit hole. I might try it if OEM firing pins are easy to come by.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 10, 2022, 04:40:34 PM
Not me.  I never felt the need to.  Stock mtr barrel shot CCI SV good as well as high end ammo.  Only had light strike when I installed the Lilja barrel and set the headspace at .045.  It’s down to .041 and has shot good.  No malfunctions/light strikes so far.
I’ve read good things about the MTR model/barrels. Makes me want to get one. Haha
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 10, 2022, 05:13:27 PM
Inspector and some here warned me about reading RimfireCentral. There are lots of pages about this issue.

Are you looking to get a CZ457?

I’m not really one to tweak stuff like FCG, firing pin, etc. But who knows, y’all pushing me down the rabbit hole. I might try it if OEM firing pins are easy to come by.
No just wondering if shaping the pin on a 457 made any difference. 

Rimfire central if you follow or chat with the right guys they’ll give you tips or tricks that actually made a difference.

At the end of the day you have to test for yourself what works and what doesn’t work on your gun.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on March 11, 2022, 08:39:02 PM
U gotta try Bushido's hurt feelings steel.

The "Hurt your feelings targets" will separate the men from the boys. Very very few have taken the challenge. Put them at unknown distances and that quadruples the skill and wind calls. Hella fun though
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 11, 2022, 08:55:16 PM
The "Hurt your feelings targets" will separate the men from the boys. Very very few have taken the challenge. Put them at unknown distances and that quadruples the skill and wind calls. Hella fun though
I’m down. Will hopefully have better feel for drops as I shoot the 22 more. Wind, that’s another story.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 12, 2022, 04:32:37 AM
Reserve the left rifle side benches like those other clubs. Can have a fun shoot.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on March 12, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Or come to the Silhouette side. Lots of space to put targets from 25 to 100 meters.

I'd love to help plan a shootout some Sat/Sun morning. Only the 1st Sunday of the month is off limits.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 12, 2022, 07:43:46 PM
Finally got my Benchmark barrel and installed it on the Anschutz 2013 with 0.042" headspace.

It took 9 months from ordering the barrel and chamber reamer, machining the barrel, and delivery to Hawaii.

28" length, 0.900" diameter, 16.5:1 twist, 3-groove, 22 Nevius chamber,  cone breech

Machined by Abraxas Ballistics run by Greg Walley, in Marshallville, Ohio.

Will have to shoot it next weekend because this weekend is too windy.

(https://i.imgur.com/hIcSCM7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jAr3nHX.jpg?2)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 12, 2022, 08:30:31 PM
Hey Esk808….that rifle is a thing of beauty.  Curious on how it’s going to shoot.  Yup windy tomorrow but I’m going anyway. I’ll probably just shoot some steel.   Not shooting next weekend because of camp. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 12, 2022, 08:37:23 PM
Yup windy tomorrow but I’m going anyway. I’ll probably just shoot some steel.   Not shooting next weekend because of camp.

Looks really windy tomorrow.  Wasting expensive ammo is hard to do when it's windy.

Need to shoot groups with different brands of ammo to see what it likes, taking a few weekends.

After figuring out which ammo it likes, then making the groups smaller with a tuner.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 12, 2022, 08:42:19 PM
Looks really windy tomorrow.  Wasting expensive ammo is hard to do when it's windy.

Need to shoot groups with different brands of ammo to see what it likes, taking a few weekends.

After figuring out which ammo it like, then making the groups smaller with a tuner.
I’m going to shoot steel with CCI.  I’m not going to waste the good stuff.  Got 2 cases of CCI so I can afford to waste that.😊
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 12, 2022, 09:15:35 PM
I’m going to shoot steel with CCI.  I’m not going to waste the good stuff.  Got 2 cases of CCI so I can afford to waste that.😊

I got about 3 cases of CCI LRN, but CCI doesn't even chamber in my Anschutz rifles, only fits in my Browning SA-22....

Keeping the CCI for my 22LR pistols, for a day in the future when I get the urge to shoot pistol again.

Maybe I should start shooting pistol again on windy days, no?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 14, 2022, 07:09:19 AM
.22lr tuner and adapter arrived over the weekend.  I also ordered a Lilja threaded barrel this morning and it's on it's way.  I'll likely install the tuner on the OEM CZ barrel and test it out.  However, if I get busy with work and the Lilja barrel arrives before I can get to the range again, I may be tempted to just go with the tuner on the Lilja barrel.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 14, 2022, 07:52:30 AM
.22lr tuner and adapter arrived over the weekend.  I also ordered a Lilja threaded barrel this morning and it's on it's way.  I'll likely install the tuner on the OEM CZ barrel and test it out.  However, if I get busy with work and the Lilja barrel arrives before I can get to the range again, I may be tempted to just go with the tuner on the Lilja barrel.
EC tuner?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 14, 2022, 10:23:45 AM
.22lr tuner and adapter arrived over the weekend

Any pics?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 14, 2022, 07:20:05 PM
.22lr tuner and adapter arrived over the weekend

Any pics?
Test (mock up) on the factory barrel of the tuner. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220315/81d7789665e987af1f788b2dbfa723a9.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 14, 2022, 07:20:41 PM
The adapter.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220315/b47c6a41c3a10e8d2560b4b26760cb89.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 16, 2022, 03:01:54 AM
CZ457 shooting Eley and extraction issues.


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CZ 457 16.75” lilja barrel
I was having extraction issues with eley tenex I ended having to size down to .390 for smooth but not flawless extraction. I was at the range shooting and I put 150 or 200 round through it.
I had one or two non extractions then I packed up to head home when a buddy showed up. He asked to shoot my gun as soon as he started shooting the extraction issues started horribly. I couldn’t get any extraction at all.
I cleaned in the actions took the bolt apart wiped it all down. Nothing seemed to fix it.
I ended up coming back home and tinkered with headspace some more and fiddled with the extractor arms. Nothing was working but after inspecting the spent shells I noticed how deformed the casings were after being fired.
The firing pin was hitting the shells with a footprint that was warping the shells to the point it was getting wedged into the chamber. So I filed down the firing pin so it just leaves a pin head sized footprint on the shell. Now it’s not effecting the shape of the fired shells.
I’m no longer having any extraction issues at all. I hope if anyone has this problem you try this because it works fantastic.
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My thoughts on it working at the beginning of the shooting session then becoming non functional.
I think the reason why it was extracting good for the first 150 or so rounds and then began to start acting up was because the barrel got pretty dirty and that added gunk coupled with the smashed casing was just enough to start causing problems.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 16, 2022, 07:14:31 AM
SNIP
My thoughts on it working at the beginning of the shooting session then becoming non functional.
I think the reason why it was extracting good for the first 150 or so rounds and then began to start acting up was because the barrel got pretty dirty and that added gunk coupled with the smashed casing was just enough to start causing problems.
Thanks.  However, for the last range day when I noticed the issued I mentioned was after cleaning the barrel pretty well.  That was after the session where I tested (4) different ammo brands/types with only (10) fouling shots in between.  The issue was also a FTF (click, no bang) then couldn't get the bolt/extractor to re-engage the unspent round.  There were decent marks from the firing pin.  I assume/think either the firing pin knocked the case out of the extractor or somehow I wasn't fully closing the bolt and caused the issue.  I didn't have the issue beyond that first box of Eley.  Shot 75 rounds more after that first box of Eley Match.  Will keep an eye on things moving forward, including which mags. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 16, 2022, 04:49:57 PM
Thanks.  However, for the last range day when I noticed the issued I mentioned was after cleaning the barrel pretty well.  That was after the session where I tested (4) different ammo brands/types with only (10) fouling shots in between.  The issue was also a FTF (click, no bang) then couldn't get the bolt/extractor to re-engage the unspent round.  There were decent marks from the firing pin.  I assume/think either the firing pin knocked the case out of the extractor or somehow I wasn't fully closing the bolt and caused the issue.  I didn't have the issue beyond that first box of Eley.  Shot 75 rounds more after that first box of Eley Match.  Will keep an eye on things moving forward, including which mags.

I’ve had that issue before with Eley.  The Lilja will have trouble extracting unfired Eley match rounds.  I had one round of Eley that I chambered three times to get it to fire.  No issues with Lapua or RWS so far.  The failure to fire happened twice in 3 boxes so far.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on March 16, 2022, 05:50:44 PM
Some guy posted that write up on rimfire page. Maybe it will help those with the same issues.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on March 16, 2022, 07:29:00 PM
Could trigger be set too light and firing pin following on closing of bolt?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 16, 2022, 07:44:23 PM
I’ve had that issue before with Eley.  The Lilja will have trouble extracting unfired Eley match rounds.  I had one round of Eley that I chambered three times to get it to fire.  No issues with Lapua or RWS so far.  The failure to fire happened twice in 3 boxes so far.
I didn’t try loading it up again. Mine was isolated to one of the three lots I had. I’ll keep an eye on it.

I have a Lilja barrel incoming. It will be here middle of next week. Will see how it goes.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 16, 2022, 07:46:14 PM
Could trigger be set too light and firing pin following on closing of bolt?
I’ll have to check. I only looked after the “click and no bang”. I went with a Timney trigger. The stock trigger was fine, but only shot about 100 rounds with it before changing to the Timney.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 23, 2022, 09:54:11 AM

Just looking at the rifles and range gear these guys have on the mainland........ :crazy:

Facebook:  Br50 Shooters  (you have to join, real easy)

https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRimfire/photos/pcb.5198451770181365/5198420943517781/
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 25, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
My Lilja barrel came in early this week.  Will see if I can get that setup with the tuner this weekend.  I need to do some testing on a centerfire rifle first, but I hope to get the CZ 457 with the Lilja to the range soon. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 25, 2022, 11:02:10 AM
Was reading/watch more on the CZ457 with match chambers.  The non-extract of unfired round with Eley Match (one common round) with CZ 457 with match chambers, including Lilja, is a common occurrence.  I will have a cleaning rod in my range bag for future range sessions. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on March 25, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
Was reading/watch more on the CZ457 with match chambers.  The non-extract of unfired round with Eley Match (one common round) with CZ 457 with match chambers, including Lilja, is a common occurrence.  I will have a cleaning rod in my range bag for future range sessions.

I only had 3 failure to extract so far.  Two with Eley match and one with CCI SV.  No issues with Lapua, SK, or RWS so far.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 25, 2022, 10:46:38 PM
Tomorrow looks a little windy, so I going take my Anschutz thumbhole 1416, built & tuned by Anschutz Custom Shop.
Will sight in a Leupold 4.5-14x scope on this.

Tomorrow doesn't look like a BR day.

(https://i.imgur.com/HDbTD8n.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: tommynauw on March 26, 2022, 01:48:08 PM
The Silhouette range is perfect for windy days like this. Those bolts and small plates at 100 meters are a fun challenge. The big hanging plates are a great tool to check what's actually happening with your bullet too, if you're having trouble hitting the small stuff on the rails.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 27, 2022, 10:10:02 PM
Tomorrow looks a little windy, so I going take my Anschutz thumbhole 1416, built & tuned by Anschutz Custom Shop.
Will sight in a 4.5-14 scope on this.

Tomorrow doesn't look like a BR day.

Nice. How did it shoot?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 27, 2022, 10:30:32 PM
The Silhouette range is perfect for windy days like this. Those bolts and small plates at 100 meters are a fun challenge. The big hanging plates are a great tool to check what's actually happening with your bullet too, if you're having trouble hitting the small stuff on the rails.
I ended up shooting centerfire on Sat. It was pretty beeezy at times when I was there. I was chatting with a guy on the next bench who was shooting an air rifle (or some kind of gas rifle) about shooting in wind.  How its another aspect of shooting and is (or can be) fun. Part of the challenge and I cools certainly use work in reading and shooting with wind.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 27, 2022, 10:35:14 PM
Installed the Lilja barrel on the CZ457 and the EC tuner. Also swapped out the rings to a set that’s slightly taller and moved the scope a little further forward. Think I’ll try the extended butt pad plate for the Boyd stock. Or might eventually swap out to a KRG Bravo.

Looking forward to seeing that this setup can do.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220328/65e9d9863520fd740a45c701b198b334.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 27, 2022, 11:02:01 PM
Installed the Lilja barrel on the CZ457 and the EC tuner. Also swapped out the rings to a set that’s slightly taller and moved the scope a little further forward. Think I’ll try the extended butt pad plate for the Boyd stock. Or might eventually swap out to a KRG Bravo.

Looking forward to seeing that this setup can do.

Good looking rifle.  Now you got to tune it with the good ammo you got.

With that barrel, you should be shooting 0.200>0.300" groups after tuning with the good ammo.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 28, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
Good looking rifle.  Now you got to tune it with the good ammo you got.

With that barrel, you should be shooting 0.200>0.300" groups after tuning with the good ammo.
Yeah.  I have a good amount of Eley Match and RWS Rifle Match.  I had some decent results with the "cheaper" CCi ammo, so expecting more with the match ammo.  The Eley Match and RWS Rifle Match seem to be in stock quite often, so hopefully one of those stands out.  I have some Lapua Midas + to test as well and am down to try more of the Eley Tenex, but want to first find an ammo that the gun seems to like and stick with it. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on March 28, 2022, 10:39:42 AM
Drck1000,

The rifle looks good, barrel looks really heavy and short, not much on flex.
As you know, the tuner attempts to minimize the vertical string of shots.

Try this test on your barrel:

Shoot the rifle without the tuner on, at a target.  Shoot 3 rounds and see Point of Impact (POI).

Now, put on the tuner, and twist it out as far as you can on the numbering system.
 
Shoot at the same Point of Aim (POA) on that very same target. 

The POI of your second 3-round group should be at least 1/2" below the first group without the tuner.
 
If not, you need to put on additional weight to the tuner.

If the rifle shoots to the same POI with and without the tuner, that probably means the tuner will not affect grouping.



Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on March 28, 2022, 10:57:26 AM
Drck1000,

The rifle looks good, barrel looks really heavy and short, not much on flex.
As you know, the tuner attempts to minimize the vertical string of shots.

Try this test on your barrel:

Shoot the rifle without the tuner on, at a target.  Shoot 3 rounds and see Point of Impact (POI).

Now, put on the tuner, and twist it out as far as you can on the numbering system.
 
Shoot at the same Point of Aim (POA) on that very same target. 

The POI of your second 3-round group should be at least 1/2" below the first group without the tuner.
 
If not, you need to put on additional weight to the tuner.

If the rifle shoots to the same POI with and without the tuner, that probably means the tuner will not affect grouping.
Thanks.  The 16 3/4" (or something like that) is what was in stock.  I wasn't looking for anything in particular, but if I had to get a barrel done custom, I probably would've gone longer.  That said, this tuner has a lot of reviews and feedback from users on EC's site.  I'm going to follow his recommendations, which are the same as for centerfire, which is to shoot groups.  2-3 shots per tune number, going about 10+ spots (one revolution) and look for at least (2) good tuning settings. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on April 16, 2022, 09:01:44 PM
Any testing done so far with the EC tuner?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on April 17, 2022, 01:58:49 PM
Any testing done so far with the EC tuner?
Not yet. Been shooting other stuff. Hope to do some shooting/testing with it in the next 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 10:30:38 AM
Ultimate Reloader did a video/review on the EC Tuner.  It was on an Anchutz 1710, but explains info that has been shared on Erik's forum, but many videos are behing a paywall. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWRQO9bY2SE
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on April 29, 2022, 02:16:43 PM
MarchX  10-60x 56 High Master, SFP, 34mm barrel

Ordered 3/2/22 and arrived 4/29/22, almost 2 months.
Got 15% off retail in month of March, for March scope promotion.....
Ordered the MTR-FT reticle.  Only to be used at 50-100yds at Kokohead, I don't need a cluttered reticle, but hashmarks are handy.

Will mount on Anschutz 2013 with Kelbly rings and Accuracy1st scope level.
(https://i.imgur.com/iJ4Zv43.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/j9VEYwF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mlX6gaL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vRC52jk.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 02, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
MarchX  10-60x 56 High Master, SFP, 34mm barrel

Ordered 3/2/22 and arrived 4/29/22, almost 2 months.
Got 15% off retail in month of March, for March scope promotion.....
Ordered the MTR-FT reticle.  Only to be used at 50-100yds at Kokohead, I don't need a cluttered reticle, but hashmarks are handy.

Will mount on Anschutz 2013 with Kelbly rings and Accuracy1st scope level.

Very nice!  I have heard really good things about March scopes, but I haven't shot or looked through one.

What power do you envision using most at say 50 and 100 yards?  I've been using a Vortex Viper PST 4-16 and it's been ok at 50 yards.  I think it's fine at 100 yards for shooting as well.  That scope came off a .308 Rem 700, so holes were quite a bit larger. 

Let me know what you think about the Accuracy1st level.  I think I have a Flatline Ops level in 34 mm that I'm not using, if you want to test it out.  It might be a 36 mm version though (i'll have to check). 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on May 02, 2022, 12:16:29 PM

What power do you envision using most at say 50 and 100 yards?  I've been using a Vortex Viper PST 4-16 and it's been ok at 50 yards.  I think it's fine at 100 yards for shooting as well.  That scope came off a .308 Rem 700, so holes were quite a bit larger. 

Let me know what you think about the Accuracy1st level.  I think I have a Flatline Ops level in 34 mm that I'm not using, if you want to test it out.  It might be a 36 mm version though (i'll have to check).


Hi drck1000,

On my NF 15-55x, I always seem to settle down on 40x to shoot at 50 yds and 100 yds.  I use 55x to see the groupings at 100 yds.
I haven't taken the March scope to Kokohead yet - too windy to pack up all my  heavy gear and haul up the slope to the benches.
I suppose I probably going to go about 40x to start.....  Have never really used a 34mm scope tube before, so might be a surprise.

What scope you have for the bubble level?  I'll probably like to try your Flatline level later on. I'll try the Accuracy 1st level first, as I have that on all my BR rifle scopes.
Thanks  :shaka:

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 03, 2022, 12:59:22 PM

Hi drck1000,

On my NF 15-55x, I always seem to settle down on 40x to shoot at 50 yds and 100 yds.  I use 55x to see the groupings at 100 yds.
I haven't taken the March scope to Kokohead yet - too windy to pack up all my  heavy gear and haul up the slope to the benches.
I suppose I probably going to go about 40x to start.....  Have never really used a 34mm scope tube before, so might be a surprise.

What scope you have for the bubble level?  I'll probably like to try your Flatline level later on. I'll try the Accuracy 1st level first, as I have that on all my BR rifle scopes.
Thanks  :shaka:
What scope for bubble level?  The Accuracy1st came off a NF ATACR, which is currently on my .308.  The level for that gun is currently a Spuhr level that mounts on the side of the Spuhr mount. I bought a Flatline Ops for that gun/scope combo as well, but ended up going with the Spuhr level.  So both the Accuracy1st and Flatline Ops are waiting for a new scope, maybe. haha

I have a Flatline Ops on the Vortex scope on my CZ 457 though and liking it so far. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 22, 2022, 06:48:53 PM
Finally able to take the CZ457 with new Lilja barrel and EC Tuner. It was pretty windy, but wanted to at least get the gun zero’ed and check function with the shims.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 22, 2022, 06:52:07 PM
Tuner testing with Eley Match after about 20 rounds to zero, shoot some groups and season/foul the barrel. It was quite windy today. Maybe 5-15 on average with higher gusts or periods of higher winds. I tried to wait until the wind was relatively constant or at least now on the higher end of the wind range. I want to do more testing, but good to see the groups (generally) open up and then tighten as the tuner setting progressed.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 22, 2022, 06:53:58 PM
Shot 6 - 5 round groups to end the day. Just shot with whatever the wind was as the time. Seems like the setting I had to start the day (lined up with 10, which was closest “0” number after tightening all the way down.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 22, 2022, 07:01:23 PM
Some highlights:
1) Noted how much the rifle level can matter. Something I’ll have to keep an eye on overall, for both .22 and centerfire bolt actions.

2) More comfortable with the taller rings and after moving the scope for more natural cheekweld. I’d like to have a bit different butt pad height, but don’t think enough to invest in a different stock/chassis.

3) Winds today were switching both directions and velocity. Didn’t bring my Kestrel, but would’ve been interesting to see the wind velocity range.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on May 22, 2022, 07:19:12 PM
Some highlights:
1) Noted how much the rifle level can matter. Something I’ll have to keep an eye on overall, for both .22 and centerfire bolt actions.

2) More comfortable with the taller rings and after moving the scope for more natural cheekweld. I’d like to have a bit different butt pad height, but don’t think enough to invest in a different stock/chassis.

3) Winds today were switching both directions and velocity. Didn’t bring my Kestrel, but would’ve been interesting to see the wind velocity range.

Yup..wind was switching this morning.  To shoot groups I had to wait for the wind conditions to sort of match.  Was still able to shoot out to 100 but trying to keep groups under MOA was a challenge.  Struggled with CCI SV but SK rifle match wasn’t too bad.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 22, 2022, 08:17:20 PM
Yup..wind was switching this morning.  To shoot groups I had to wait for the wind conditions to sort of match.  Was still able to shoot out to 100 but trying to keep groups under MOA was a challenge.  Struggled with CCI SV but SK rifle match wasn’t too bad.
I got there a little before noon and shot until around 2. I also tried to wait until between the periods when the wind was kicking up for when I was shooting 3 shot groups for the tuner testing. Or at least similar winds for that group. Can’t say how much was the wind and how much was me, but I was happy that the new setup showed a lot of potential.

Once I get the tuner settled for this batch of ammo, I want to try shooting 1 shot drills on smaller targets during and day where winds are like today. Practice reading the winds.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on May 23, 2022, 07:38:06 PM
I got there a little before noon and shot until around 2. I also tried to wait until between the periods when the wind was kicking up for when I was shooting 3 shot groups for the tuner testing. Or at least similar winds for that group. Can’t say how much was the wind and how much was me, but I was happy that the new setup showed a lot of potential.

Once I get the tuner settled for this batch of ammo, I want to try shooting 1 shot drills on smaller targets during and day where winds are like today. Practice reading the winds.

I was there during the same time period shooting my duece dueces. There was some good conditions mixed in with the switching winds you just have to learn what to look for. When your 100y 22lr shooting in the wind becomes good, your long range centerfire shooting will go through the roof IME.

I think you spoke to my good friend about 22lr ammo, testing and expectations.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 24, 2022, 07:21:07 AM
I was there during the same time period shooting my duece dueces. There was some good conditions mixed in with the switching winds you just have to learn what to look for. When your 100y 22lr shooting in the wind becomes good, your long range centerfire shooting will go through the roof IME.

Wind judgement, calls, etc is certainly not my strong suit.  Where I shoot long(er) ranges, the winds are often "switchy" and usually quite different at shooter and target (and in between) due to terrain.  That said, yeah, I'd like to get better at that on 100 yard range first.  I don't mind the wind at all.  Just part of the conditions of the day.  I would have liked a bit more calm for when I was going the tuner testing, but can do that another day.  Overall, I was quite happy with that I saw from the new barrel. 

I think you spoke to my good friend about 22lr ammo, testing and expectations.
This past Sunday?  The only guy I was chatting with was the guy next to me shooting a new barrel.  It was a carbon fiber barrel.  Interesting to see what folks' routine/regimen are. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on May 24, 2022, 09:11:36 PM
I've heard many times that shooting 22lr at 100y is similar to shooting 400y with centerfire. Those keyboard snipers that post that likely haven't shot either. The drop may be similar but the wind effect on the POI is nowhere close. Wind affects centerfire much more horizontally whereas 22lr is of course horizonal but also more vertical than centerfire. The direction is determined if you have a right hand twist (most common) or left. At Koko Head shooting on the left, center, right side of the range changes your wind hold simply because of the berms and the lay of the land. It's challenging but a great leaning opportunity. If it was easy, everyone would shoot 200-20Xs
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on May 24, 2022, 09:18:26 PM
Wind judgement, calls, etc is certainly not my strong suit.  Where I shoot long(er) ranges, the winds are often "switchy" and usually quite different at shooter and target (and in between) due to terrain.

This is always discussed on the "forums". Which is more important wind at shooter, midway, at target? It's all important IMO and I have my theories. The key is you have to shoot in all wind conditions to learn it.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 25, 2022, 08:36:47 AM
I've heard many times that shooting 22lr at 100y is similar to shooting 400y with centerfire. Those keyboard snipers that post that likely haven't shot either. The drop may be similar but the wind effect on the POI is nowhere close. Wind affects centerfire much more horizontally whereas 22lr is of course horizonal but also more vertical than centerfire. The direction is determined if you have a right hand twist (most common) or left. At Koko Head shooting on the left, center, right side of the range changes your wind hold simply because of the berms and the lay of the land. It's challenging but a great leaning opportunity. If it was easy, everyone would shoot 200-20Xs
For my .308 and 6.5, shooting out to 600ish isn't that difficult.  I haven't shot 22lr to 100 that much yet.  I did notice the head/tail wind effects on 22lr seemed to be quite pronounced.  I definitely notice the effects and differences in head/tail winds at day 400-600 at one friend's property that I shoot at occasionally.  It switches regularly over the course of the day, even over the course of an hour. 

I was trying to "feel" the wind, as well as watching other wind indicators down range.  Luckily, there were a bunch of folks who had wind flags/streamers on their targets.  I was also watching the mirage at times. 

This is always discussed on the "forums". Which is more important wind at shooter, midway, at target? It's all important IMO and I have my theories. The key is you have to shoot in all wind conditions to learn it.
Yeah.  I've been watching a lot of stuff from long range shooters, including F-Class, about the different indicators of wind at shooter, target, and in-between.  Quite interesting theories.  That as well as POI adjustments and bracketing wind calls.  All super interesting, but like you said, all need experience in it.  Can't learn by just reading/listening.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 25, 2022, 08:50:46 AM
U gotta try Bushido's "hurt your feelings" target at 50yrds.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 25, 2022, 09:17:59 AM
U gotta try Bushido's "hurt your feelings" target at 50yrds.
I've shot other folks' KYL targets.  I haven't shot Bushido's one though, but I'm down.  Bring your RPR  O0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 25, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
I've shot other folks' KYL targets.  I haven't shot Bushido's one though, but I'm down.  Bring your RPR  O0

And Mrs. CMO's KIDD. At the HRA open shoot, she was hitting golf ball at 35yards consistently. not bad for not doing a 50yrd zero yet.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 25, 2022, 12:01:26 PM
And Mrs. CMO's KIDD. At the HRA open shoot, she was hitting golf ball at 35yards consistently. not bad for not doing a 50yrd zero yet.
???

Switched from fruit analogy. . .  :rofl:

Sounds like you have quite the "golf ball driver" then. . .  8)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 25, 2022, 12:27:54 PM
???

Switched from fruit analogy. . .  :rofl:

Sounds like you have quite the "golf ball driver" then. . .  8)

It was actually a golf all.  She also got to shoot some colored water jugs cause 1 guy had a high speed camera he wanted to get some footage of. But she used her AR for this. I was surprised she got 1 shot 1 hit on a small soda bottle with just a RDS.  But then again, she kicked my ass on the VTAC board.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 25, 2022, 03:11:23 PM
It was actually a golf all.  She also got to shoot some colored water jugs cause 1 guy had a high speed camera he wanted to get some footage of. But she used her AR for this. I was surprised she got 1 shot 1 hit on a small soda bottle with just a RDS.  But then again, she kicked my ass on the VTAC board.
You mean not a figurative "golf all"?  ::)  :rofl:

The colored water jugs is always interesting.  Esp if you shoot them with say HP or SP, vice FMJ.  Next time I see you, I can show you some testing we had done in the past with those with 5.56/.223. 

But VTAC board, I sense a challenge. . . :hmm:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on May 25, 2022, 08:20:25 PM
The colored water jugs is always interesting.  Esp if you shoot them with say HP or SP, vice FMJ.  Next time I see you, I can show you some testing we had done in the past with those with 5.56/.223. 

So far my Varmit load doing 3400 fps produced the best results. 2 liter soda bottles unopened were very explosive. I might get the footage this weekend. I have my friend's load doing 3500 fps to try next.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on May 25, 2022, 08:26:11 PM
I've shot other folks' KYL targets.  I haven't shot Bushido's one though, but I'm down.  Bring your RPR  O0

Nothing fancy but my smallest swinger is 1/8". Most are zeroed at 50y which makes it a little easier at that distance. Putting it out at random distances makes them hella challenging. Your range finder, wind calls and ballistic app has to be spot on to hit it. Many have tried and failed hence the "Hurt your feelings" nickname. I haven't been shooting precision rimfire much for a few years but recently have been knocking some rust off
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 26, 2022, 09:22:54 AM
So far my Varmit load doing 3400 fps produced the best results. 2 liter soda bottles unopened were very explosive. I might get the footage this weekend. I have my friend's load doing 3500 fps to try next.
3500 fps in .223 Rem?  Gas gun?  That's humming. . .  :o

Nothing fancy but my smallest swinger is 1/8". Most are zeroed at 50y which makes it a little easier at that distance. Putting it out at random distances makes them hella challenging. Your range finder, wind calls and ballistic app has to be spot on to hit it. Many have tried and failed hence the "Hurt your feelings" nickname. I haven't been shooting precision rimfire much for a few years but recently have been knocking some rust off
1/8"?  Dayum.  I think the last time I shot a KYL target, smallest was 1/4".  Maybe slightly larger.  I'm always down to try and "let the target tell me".  But yeah, and non-std distances, one better know alot about their setup.  I'll have to chrono my 22lr ammo. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on May 26, 2022, 08:22:03 PM
3500 fps in .223 Rem?  Gas gun?  That's humming. . .  :o
Yah it's a little warm...

1/8"?  Dayum.  I think the last time I shot a KYL target, smallest was 1/4".  Maybe slightly larger.  I'm always down to try and "let the target tell me".  But yeah, and non-std distances, one better know alot about their setup.  I'll have to chrono my 22lr ammo.
LMK I'll bring them out. I'm usually in #19 never shoot off a bench.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 27, 2022, 09:15:59 AM
LMK I'll bring them out. I'm usually in #19 never shoot off a bench.
Cool.  I'm down.  I'll let you know.

I would like to get my CZ dialed in a little better and get chrono data, so my feelings aren't hurt as much.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Bushido on May 28, 2022, 08:41:29 PM
Cool.  I'm down.  I'll let you know.

I would like to get my CZ dialed in a little better and get chrono data, so my feelings aren't hurt as much.   ;D

Just send it. As you know, velo will only get you close. Every load needs to be trued because manufacturers exaggerate their BCs. I'll be there this weekend probably shooting private bays on Sun and Rifle Side on Mon pm

I am so against shooting for "groups", don't even get me started. Try shooting the USBR Green Monster Target or similar at 50y. That will show you how difficult it is to hit a 1/8" target at 50y consistently with a 22lr. I've seen a few whom tried this target, I've never seen anyone shoot a 2500 much less a 2500-25X. This target is the Gold Standard for 22lrBR shooters. None of the major BR associations shoots for groups in competition, they all shoot for score.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 07:16:14 AM
Just send it. As you know, velo will only get you close. Every load needs to be trued because manufacturers exaggerate their BCs. I'll be there this weekend probably shooting private bays on Sun and Rifle Side on Mon pm

I am so against shooting for "groups", don't even get me started. Try shooting the USBR Green Monster Target or similar at 50y. That will show you how difficult it is to hit a 1/8" target at 50y consistently with a 22lr. I've seen a few whom tried this target, I've never seen anyone shoot a 2500 much less a 2500-25X. This target is the Gold Standard for 22lrBR shooters. None of the major BR associations shoots for groups in competition, they all shoot for score.
Ended up going Sunday morning and shooting more testing with the tuner.  Think I got it narrowed down, at least with this batch of Eley Match. 

I prefer to shoot steel, but not that much opportunity here.  I can at a friend's property, but rarely get to shoot there.  Now that I am close to getting dialed in with the tuner, will start shooting more at the silhouette side. 

While I'm not benchrest shooter, I was planning on shooting that style of target card.  I was looking for the one that the Pursuit of Accuracy guy shoots, but the one you mentioned above is available on Amazon.  Someone gave me a bunch of 1" target circles as was going to shoot those, but the target cards are much easier. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on May 31, 2022, 09:44:21 AM
Ended up going Sunday morning and shooting more testing with the tuner.  Think I got it narrowed down, at least with this batch of Eley Match. 

I prefer to shoot steel, but not that much opportunity here.  I can at a friend's property, but rarely get to shoot there.  Now that I am close to getting dialed in with the tuner, will start shooting more at the silhouette side. 

While I'm not benchrest shooter, I was planning on shooting that style of target card.  I was looking for the one that the Pursuit of Accuracy guy shoots, but the one you mentioned above is available on Amazon.  Someone gave me a bunch of 1" target circles as was going to shoot those, but the target cards are much easier.

Were you on the right side or left?  I was on the left side near esk808.  Was good conditions to shoot 22.  Had some really tight groups under .2.  Tried shooting 1” bulls instead of groups also.  Although winds were light it still made a difference.  Need to practice that wind call to shoot ARA targets.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 11:39:21 AM
Were you on the right side or left?  I was on the left side near esk808.  Was good conditions to shoot 22.  Had some really tight groups under .2.  Tried shooting 1” bulls instead of groups also.  Although winds were light it still made a difference.  Need to practice that wind call to shoot ARA targets.
I was on the left side.  I was near the air rifle regular (super cool guy).  I don't recall any others shooting 22 in the benches where I was.  I think bench number was in the 30s. 

The conditions were way calmer than the week before.  I don't mind shooting in the wind, but wasn't ideal for tuner testing.  Comparing the results from both weeks was interesting though.  One of the shooters had a wind vane, so was interesting watching the direction and velocity changes during breaks between the relays. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on May 31, 2022, 11:43:05 AM
I was on the left side.  I was near the air rifle regular (super cool guy).  I don't recall any others shooting 22 in the benches where I was.  I think bench number was in the 30s. 

The conditions were way calmer than the week before.  I don't mind shooting in the wind, but wasn't ideal for tuner testing.  Comparing the results from both weeks was interesting though.  One of the shooters had a wind vane, so was interesting watching the direction and velocity changes during breaks between the relays.

I was two stalls to the right of the air rifle guy…was there from 0800–1100.  I left about the same time as esk808.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 11:48:05 AM
I was two stalls to the right of the air rifle guy…was there from 0800–1100.  I left about the same time as esk808.
I prob got there right after you folks left.  I was next to the air rifle guy.  Did you go back and get your KYL target? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on May 31, 2022, 11:53:59 AM
I prob got there right after you folks left.  I was next to the air rifle guy.  Did you go back and get your KYL target?

Yup…sure did.  Left in a rush.  Was talking with the ROs and forgot to pull it.  Had to turn around on the freeway
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 12:07:16 PM
Yup…sure did.  Left in a rush.  Was talking with the ROs and forgot to pull it.  Had to turn around on the freeway
Cool.  Caused some confusion.  ;D That was a pretty nice target rack. 

A couple of the ROs were joking around about charging you a fee.   :rofl:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on May 31, 2022, 12:19:00 PM
Cool.  Caused some confusion.  ;D That was a pretty nice target rack. 

A couple of the ROs were joking around about charging you a fee.   :rofl:
I owe them some onaga.  Hah…trade for fish.  Talked with Vudoo this morning and my rifle may be ready in 3months or so.  Trying to decide on a scope.  No longer a rabbit hole…it’s a massive black hole now.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 31, 2022, 12:19:47 PM
Cool.  Caused some confusion.  ;D That was a pretty nice target rack. 

A couple of the ROs were joking around about charging you a fee.   :rofl:

I know a guy who forgot his SCAR at the range.  And 2 HRA open shoots ago, someone forgot their Glock.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 01:13:47 PM
I owe them some onaga.  Hah…trade for fish.  Talked with Vudoo this morning and my rifle may be ready in 3months or so.  Trying to decide on a scope.  No longer a rabbit hole…it’s a massive black hole now.
Damn it!  ;D (don't listen, don't get tempted, don't research. . .)  :rofl:

That's awesome!  I have a 6.5 gun in the works at a builder.  Incidentally, that builder is well known for .22 lr builds.  I was checking out some of their builds, including test videos and results have been very impressive.  I'm not going to lie, I'm interested.  Trying to stick with my current setup, really learn, get better, etc with .22 lr.  I've read and watched YT videos of excellent feedback on the Vudoos. 

What are you looking at on scopes?  I have been eying an Athlon Midas Tac 5-25.  I've been using my old Vortex Viper PST 4-16 Gen I.  It's fine, but I've been spoiled with the optics I have on my centerfire. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 01:15:57 PM
I know a guy who forgot his SCAR at the range.  And 2 HRA open shoots ago, someone forgot their Glock.
Bruh.  I mean I get that it happens, but still.  I've been at the range where at the end of open shoot, there have been guns left on the tables unclaimed.  All of those damn Glocks look the same.   ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on May 31, 2022, 01:45:55 PM
Damn it!  ;D (don't listen, don't get tempted, don't research. . .)  :rofl:

That's awesome!  I have a 6.5 gun in the works at a builder.  Incidentally, that builder is well known for .22 lr builds.  I was checking out some of their builds, including test videos and results have been very impressive.  I'm not going to lie, I'm interested.  Trying to stick with my current setup, really learn, get better, etc with .22 lr.  I've read and watched YT videos of excellent feedback on the Vudoos. 

What are you looking at on scopes?  I have been eying an Athlon Midas Tac 5-25.  I've been using my old Vortex Viper PST 4-16 Gen I.  It's fine, but I've been spoiled with the optics I have on my centerfire.

Nightforce competition 15-55 or Sightron Siii plr 10-50
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 01:58:46 PM
Nightforce competition 15-55 or Sightron Siii plr 10-50
Awesome!  Can see those "bugholes" pretty clear with that power range.

What scope base do you need for a scope like that?  I have the Area 419 30 MOA base on my CZ457.  I haven't shot the .22 lr other than at 50 and 100 yards though. 

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on May 31, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Nightforce competition 15-55 or Sightron Siii plr 10-50

NF.   Buy once, cry once.

Akubone, next time I go, why don't you look through my NF 15-55 and see how you like it?

Next time, I need to take my NF, together with my March scope, and really compare both side-by-side.

Honestly, I cannot say that the March is way better than the NF.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on May 31, 2022, 02:49:50 PM
Awesome!  Can see those "bugholes" pretty clear with that power range.

What scope base do you need for a scope like that?  I have the Area 419 30 MOA base on my CZ457.  I haven't shot the .22 lr other than at 50 and 100 yards though.

I ordered 20moa rail and was deciding on either Spur or American Rifle Co mount.  The mount can also be ordered with extra MOA…I’m primarily planning on shooting at Kokohead…maybe if the wind is right I can get out to my friends private range and stretch it out.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on May 31, 2022, 02:52:39 PM
Sunday was finally a good day to bring out my 1-piece rest.
Had a little wind, but not much.
Finally had my new Benchmark barrel and my March 10-60x56 scope on the rifle together.

Funny, I special ordered a "22LR Nevius chamber reamer" from JGS Precision, which everybody swears
shoots Lapua ammo well.  In fact, the reamer was specifically made for the Lapua.

Yes, it shoots Lapua well, but the surprise of the day was that it shot the Eley Tenex & Match better !
Eley has the EPS flat-nose bullet, so I didn't think it would shoot well in this barrel but it did.

Next project is to put a Harrell tuner to this, and try it with and without a Don Blue extension tube.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 04:47:21 PM
I ordered 20moa rail and was deciding on either Spur or American Rifle Co mount.  The mount can also be ordered with extra MOA…I’m primarily planning on shooting at Kokohead…maybe if the wind is right I can get out to my friends private range and stretch it out.
I have a Spuhr for my Nightforce ATACR and ZCO for two of my centerfires.  Both are the 20 MOA version.  They are pricey, but awesome.  I am thinking about the ARC M-Brace mount for the next scope/gun combo.  I have a set of their original M10 rings and they are solid. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 04:50:42 PM
SNIP

Yes, it shoots Lapua well, but the surprise of the day was that it shot the Eley Tenex & Match better !
Eley has the EPS flat-nose bullet, so I didn't think it would shoot well in this barrel but it did.

Cool.  Good that your gun likes Eley Match.  I have 500 Lapua Midas+ that I want to test next, along with RWS Rifle Match and see how my Lilja barrel likes them.  So far, I am happy with the way the Lilja shoots the current lot of Eley that I tested.  I have two other lots on hand, with another batch on the way via Kaleo.  100 rounds of .22 lr goes by pretty quickly. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 08:25:11 PM
Tuner testing
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
Chose some settings to shoot some 5 shot groups from the testing in steps of 2. Chose settings 1, 10, 20, 11, and 13. The chose 10 and 1 to finish off the box (below the orange dots). Will likely try one more round with 10-14 and 20. The 1 setting looked promising, but don’t like the results from settings either side. But that very well could have been me.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on May 31, 2022, 11:15:56 PM
Cool.  Good that your gun likes Eley Match.  I have 500 Lapua Midas+ that I want to test next, along with RWS Rifle Match and see how my Lilja barrel likes them.  So far, I am happy with the way the Lilja shoots the current lot of Eley that I tested.  I have two other lots on hand, with another batch on the way via Kaleo.  100 rounds of .22 lr goes by pretty quickly.

drck1000,

You must've come right after I left.  Akubone1 was still there when I left around 11 or so....

Actually, the Lilja barrels depend on which chamber reamer they used..... I think Lilja barrels shoot the Eley brand better than others, I have 2.
My Anschutz 2013 barrel from Lilja was chambered for Eley EPS bullet and shoots the Eley Tenex and Eley Match well.

Since the 2013 is a single-shot, they can make the chamber a little tighter than a repeater (just a little bit), since in a repeater, the bullet needs to go from the magazine
to the chamber without a failure to chamber.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on June 01, 2022, 06:44:14 AM
drck1000,

You must've come right after I left.  Akubone1 was still there when I left around 11 or so....

Actually, the Lilja barrels depend on which chamber reamer they used..... I think Lilja barrels shoot the Eley brand better than others, I have 2.
My Anschutz 2013 barrel from Lilja was chambered for Eley EPS bullet and shoots the Eley Tenex and Eley Match well.

Since the 2013 is a single-shot, they can make the chamber a little tighter than a repeater (just a little bit), since in a repeater, the bullet needs to go from the magazine
to the chamber without a failure to chamber.
Yeah, I think I got there right around 11.  The guys to my right (where the plate rack was) were setup, but I didn't know that wasn't their target.

You, or someone here mentioned that about Lilja.  I just set the shims per recommendation from Lilja and the video from Pursuit of Accuracy.  Will see how other ammo shoots, but I'm happy so far.  Don't think I'll experiment with other shims, at least not any time soon as long as the gun is functioning well.  Will probably shoot Eley Match for at least the next 1 or 2 range sessions.  Then clean and mix in either Lapua or RWS to try, but I've mostly stocked up on Eley. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on June 08, 2022, 10:14:01 AM
Got a March 10-60x56 HM scope with FT reticle. 
Simple reticle with a few hash marks.  No need for a cluttered reticle (e.g. Horus) to shoot 1000 yards - only 50-100 yards at Kokohead, but hash marks are handy.

Compared it to my NF 15-55x52 with FCR-1 reticle.

Last Sunday, took both scopes to Kokohead and consecutively mounted them on the same rifle, under same conditions.

Through my eyes, the March is brighter, probably by virtue of a 34mm barrel vs. NF's 30mm barrel.

Is the March clearer? I don't know.
The NF, I thought was clear, maybe clearer than the March.

March definitely feels heavier and sturdier than the NF, but is it a better scope?

My eyes can't tell the difference except for the brighter March.

Is this perceived advantage worth the extra $$$ that March scopes retail at?

A look at BR shooters on the mainland and their equipment shows that the dominant BR 22 scope is NF.

"Paul Tolvstad
Here is the equipment list from the last Professional Shooting League match 2 weeks ago."
From FB Precision Rimfire.

You need to use your "zoom" on your browser to read the equipment chart.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on June 10, 2022, 11:10:39 AM
These arrived yesterday. If I can get to the range this weekend, will try shooting it. Want to try it with my 6.5 and maybe .308 as well once I get the loads dialed in.

It’s a 100 pk. If anyone wants to try, just lmk. That means you CMO.  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on July 23, 2022, 10:56:18 AM
Hopefully the my Vudoo rifle can get finished in the next few weeks.  Waiting for some minor parts.  The current windy weather is good for testing 22.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on July 23, 2022, 01:32:45 PM
Hopefully the my Vudoo rifle can get finished in the next few weeks.  Waiting for some minor parts.  The current windy weather is good for testing 22.

Looks great !   

Looks better than I imagined after reading about it on the Vudoo website.

What are you waiting for? scope?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on July 23, 2022, 03:48:02 PM
Scope, scope mount, MPA grip…I wanted to try a different size.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on July 24, 2022, 11:17:11 AM
Hopefully the my Vudoo rifle can get finished in the next few weeks.  Waiting for some minor parts.  The current windy weather is good for testing 22.
Awesome! 

Did you add an Area 419 Arca rail on the bottom?  To utilize the "teeth" for locking position?  I have both the Area 419 and RRS clamps for my bipods.  Both seems solid, but if I don't tighten the Area 419 clamp down really tight, I have noticed that it can move.  However, that is with centerfire. 

Minor parts like scope?  ;D 

I currently have a Vortex PST 4-16 on my CZ, but finding that I want a bit more power.  I have an Athlon Cronus 4.5-29 that I got recently that is slated for the CZ, but it's currently on one of my 6.5s while I wait for the scope for that setup that's on pre-order.  What kind of glass are you thinking for the Vudoo? 

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on July 24, 2022, 12:38:59 PM
Awesome! 

Did you add an Area 419 Arca rail on the bottom?  To utilize the "teeth" for locking position?  I have both the Area 419 and RRS clamps for my bipods.  Both seems solid, but if I don't tighten the Area 419 clamp down really tight, I have noticed that it can move.  However, that is with centerfire. 

Minor parts like scope?  ;D 

I currently have a Vortex PST 4-16 on my CZ, but finding that I want a bit more power.  I have an Athlon Cronus 4.5-29 that I got recently that is slated for the CZ, but it's currently on one of my 6.5s while I wait for the scope for that setup that's on pre-order.  What kind of glass are you thinking for the Vudoo?

Yup used an extra area 419 rail.  I like to slide the bipod on and off…the MPA chassis didn’t allow that.  I was looking at the Sightron 10-50 but esk808 has me leaning towards the Nightforce 15-55 competition.  My other friend has a Tract that he said is good also.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on July 24, 2022, 01:10:30 PM
Yup used an extra area 419 rail.  I like to slide the bipod on and off…the MPA chassis didn’t allow that.  I was looking at the Sightron 10-50 but esk808 has me leaning towards the Nightforce 15-55 competition.  My other friend has a Tract that he said is good also.
I use the rail on the bottom of the MPA Comp BA chassis for the Arca clamps.  It is a bit of a pain to open up the clamp wide enough to get over the whole bottom section.  I considered adding an Area 419 Arch rail to my MPA Comp BA chassis for using the "teeth" of the Area 419 rail, but the RRS lever clamp is able to lock down "tight enough".

I considered going with a SFP target/competition scope, like the NF esk808 has.  Where the SFP allows a more refined reticle/focus.  For now, all my scopes are FFP, but that's primarily for centerfire and the different application.  If I get more serious into .22 lr, say with a Vudoo or Rimx, I may join esk808 (and maybe you) in the NF Competition scope arena.   :shake:

Exciting stuff.  Good to see more folks sharing their experiences.  Definitely pushes me to shot more .22 lr. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on August 07, 2022, 09:11:12 AM
Shot the Vudoo for the first time this weekend.  Ran smoothly with no feeding or magazine issues.  Got sighted in and shot two lots of center x, SK Match, and Eley Match.  Vudoo said break in period is 2-3 bricks.  Groups were ok in 5-10 mph winds. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 07, 2022, 03:31:43 PM
Shot the Vudoo for the first time this weekend.  Ran smoothly with no feeding or magazine issues.  Got sighted in and shot two lots of center x, SK Match, and Eley Match.  Vudoo said break in period is 2-3 bricks.  Groups were ok in 5-10 mph winds.
Awesome!  Which ammo did the rifle seem to like best?  At least so far.  Care to share any groups that were particularly impressive?   :thumbsup:

Darn, seems like I missed decent conditions for shooting some .22 lr and tuner setting testing.  My work schedule should calm down at least a little bit end of the month. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on August 07, 2022, 07:19:21 PM
Awesome!  Which ammo did the rifle seem to like best?  At least so far.  Care to share any groups that were particularly impressive?   :thumbsup:

Darn, seems like I missed decent conditions for shooting some .22 lr and tuner setting testing.  My work schedule should calm down at least a little bit end of the month.

One lot of Centex X was ok…it didn’t like the other lot or the SK match.  Wind picked up so I shot steel with Norma Tac.  Vudoo claims the gun will settle in after a 1000 rnds or so.  I hope it does.  I dropped the trigger down to just under 4 oz.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on August 07, 2022, 11:58:57 PM
Shot the Vudoo for the first time this weekend.  Ran smoothly with no feeding or magazine issues.  Got sighted in and shot two lots of center x, SK Match, and Eley Match.  Vudoo said break in period is 2-3 bricks.  Groups were ok in 5-10 mph winds.

I see you went with the NF 15-55x scope................ :thumbsup:

That scope is at the top of the heap for 22LR shooting at any distance where 22LR is shot..........and then some............
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on August 08, 2022, 02:22:29 AM
Plan to get another stock for my Anschutz 54.30 with Shilen barrel.

Saw this stock on FB and looks amazing. 
Laminated wood, carbon fiber, and epoxy/fiberglass...........
The finish is what they call 100 gloss.

Here's a sample photo of what I'm talking about:
(https://i.imgur.com/yR9jMur.jpg)

In contact with the company AS Rifle & Stock in Italy.
ETA is 3-4 months.

I'm going to need a local stockmaker/gunsmith to do the epoxy bedding, as no two actions are alike when it comes to bedding.

Costs are about $1400 + shipping to Hawaii......


I finally decided on the stock in the URL below.
https://www.facebook.com/100072536916958/videos/5293075550821781

I amended the numbers.  I made a mistake in calculation
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 08, 2022, 01:37:22 PM
One lot of Centex X was ok…it didn’t like the other lot or the SK match.  Wind picked up so I shot steel with Norma Tac.  Vudoo claims the gun will settle in after a 1000 rnds or so.  I hope it does.  I dropped the trigger down to just under 4 oz.
Did you try Eley Match?  Lmk if you don't have Eley Match and want to try some. 

How do you like the NF? 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 08, 2022, 01:39:32 PM
Plan to get another stock for my Anschutz 54.30 with Shilen barrel.

Saw this stock on FB and looks amazing.  Will have it without cheek riser or adjustable stock (LOP).
The finish is what they call 100 gloss.

In contact with the company As Rifle & Stock in Italy.
ETA is 3-4 months.


I finally decided on the stock in the linked video instead of the pictures below.

$1475 USD  stock with 100 gloss finish as pictured, laminated wood, carbon fiber and purple epoxy
    204 USD epoxy bedding for Anschutz 54.30 action
      51 USD trigger guard and hardware
$1730 USD (shipping costs later)

1450 Euro stock
  200 Euro bedding
    50 trigger
$1700 Euro
Whoa!  That's purrrty! 

Both you and Akubone upping the ante for bolt actions .22 lr.  I "plan" to stick with my current CZ 457 for a while, but damn those are some nice .22 lr rigs! 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on August 08, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Did you try Eley Match?  Lmk if you don't have Eley Match and want to try some. 

How do you like the NF?

I have some Eley match and was pleasantly surprised with no feeding issues since the Vudoo is chambered for CenterX.  Eley match shoots good out of my CZ because Lilja is chambered for Eley. 

The nightforce is super clear…just need to get used to the fine hash marks. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 08, 2022, 02:19:14 PM
1) I have some Eley match and was pleasantly surprised with no feeding issues since the Vudoo is chambered for CenterX.  Eley match shoots good out of my CZ because Lilja is chambered for Eley. 

2) The nightforce is super clear…just need to get used to the fine hash marks.
1) Awesome!  Glad to hear that!  I have stocked up on Eley Match.  With the tuner, I hope I can dial/adjust for differences in lots. 

2) I love NF optics.  But now I have to fight the urge to check out one for my .22 lr rifle.  ;D
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on August 08, 2022, 08:31:28 PM


2) I love NF optics.  But now I have to fight the urge to check out one for my .22 lr rifle.  ;D

Just going deeper into the rabbit hole called 22LR............
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2022, 07:23:24 AM
Just going deeper into the rabbit hole called 22LR............
Yeah.  Mostly circling near the top of the rabbit hole, mostly because my shooting interests are all over the place right now.  Been into .22 lr and centerfire bolt action for a while now, but also reenergized with pistols and competition/training.  Especially now since a couple of long time friends are now getting into shooting.

I've long been a fan of NF optics, but could never justify the expense until around 4-5 years ago. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on September 02, 2022, 04:55:15 PM
I had some cold bore flyers the last time out.  Called Vudoo and they suspect it might be a carbon ring.  Since the Vudoo chambers are match grade, Greg said that the carbon ring could cause flyers…some other chambers may not be as tight so flyers maybe less evident.

Here’s a article he wrote…I guess I’ll try some of their recommendations.  Hopefully I can hit the range soon.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/a-guide-to-22lr-barrel-care-for-the-precision-rimfire-shooter/
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on September 02, 2022, 10:33:29 PM
I had some cold bore flyers the last time out.  Called Vudoo and they suspect it might be a carbon ring.  Since the Vudoo chambers are match grade, Greg said that the carbon ring could cause flyers…some other chambers may not be as tight so flyers maybe less evident.

Here’s a article he wrote…I guess I’ll try some of their recommendations.  Hopefully I can hit the range soon.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/a-guide-to-22lr-barrel-care-for-the-precision-rimfire-shooter/

Good reading on cleaning.
Now, where do they have Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover and Rimfire Blend?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 02, 2022, 10:48:57 PM
If anyone needs Boretech C4 or Eliminator, let me know. I typically order from Midway when they have in stock and their free shipping. I soak a patch and let sit in area of concern. Both bolt action rimfire and centerfire. Removes any slight carbon rings I had. However, I haven’t gotten more than 100 centerfire and 200 ish 22 before cleaning. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on September 03, 2022, 12:46:27 AM
If anyone needs Boretech C4 or Eliminator, let me know. I typically order from Midway when they have in stock and their free shipping. I soak a patch and let sit in area of concern. Both bolt action rimfire and centerfire. Removes any slight carbon rings I had. However, I haven’t gotten more than 100 centerfire and 200 ish 22 before cleaning.

Just missed your posting.
I ordered tonight from Bore Tech itself: C4 and Rimfire Blend, according to akubone's article re cleaning.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 03, 2022, 07:30:44 AM
Just missed your posting.
I ordered tonight from Bore Tech itself: C4 and Rimfire Blend, according to akubone's article re cleaning.
Cool. I use Rimfire Blend as well. They also have another product for the carbon ring (can’t think if it right now). I like Boretech products, but their shipping is expensive.
Title: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Ocean19 on September 25, 2022, 09:45:55 PM
Sucks range is closed. It was fun only with 22lr shooters. 10 guys max showed at the range Sat before it closed.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on September 26, 2022, 09:18:52 AM
Sucks range is closed. It was fun only with 22lr shooters. 10 guys max showed at the range Sat before it closed.

Got to shoot the last Sunday the range was open.  So quiet with only 22lr.  Cleaned with Boretech C4 prior to and used a borescope to verify no carbon ring.  Rifle shot good with no cold bore flyers.  Had more ammo arrive the other week but just waiting to shoot.  Hopefully the ROs are ok and changes to range rules are minimal.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: powder monkey on September 26, 2022, 04:37:17 PM
Was nice and quiet
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2022, 04:45:14 PM
Sucks range is closed. It was fun only with 22lr shooters. 10 guys max showed at the range Sat before it closed.
:(

I had been looking forward to shooting more .22 lr rifle until the planned shutdown starting in October.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2022, 04:50:29 PM
Got to shoot the last Sunday the range was open.  So quiet with only 22lr.  Cleaned with Boretech C4 prior to and used a borescope to verify no carbon ring.  Rifle shot good with no cold bore flyers.  Had more ammo arrive the other week but just waiting to shoot.  Hopefully the ROs are ok and changes to range rules are minimal.
Did you see much of a POI shift cold bore?  Prior to this rifle.  Just curious. 

One of my shooting buddies usually asks me about cold more shift on both my .22 lr and centerfire bolt guns.  I've been mostly doing load and tuner testing, and have been shooting at least 5-10 foulers, so haven't paid that much attention. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on September 26, 2022, 08:24:12 PM
The cold bore shift was 1/2” at 50yds which is pretty substantial.  I spoke to Vudoo and they explained that their chambers are tight and when the barrel is cold, the carbon ring can cause the cold bore shift.  Once the barrel is heated, the carbon ring loosens a bit and is not as noticeable.  I did borescope it and the ring was pretty evident.  Cleaning it with C4 eliminated the cold bore shift.

As for my CZ 457, Similar situation with my LIlja barrel.  Found it even difficult to chamber rounds.  I swapped it with my original CZ barrel and there was a cold bore shift but not pronounced like the Vudoo.  Maybe the chamber isn’t as tight to start so not a big cold bore shift.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2022, 09:20:08 PM
The cold bore shift was 1/2” at 50yds which is pretty substantial.  I spoke to Vudoo and they explained that their chambers are tight and when the barrel is cold, the carbon ring can cause the cold bore shift.  Once the barrel is heated, the carbon ring loosens a bit and is not as noticeable.  I did borescope it and the ring was pretty evident.  Cleaning it with C4 eliminated the cold bore shift.

As for my CZ 457, Similar situation with my LIlja barrel.  Found it even difficult to chamber rounds.  I swapped it with my original CZ barrel and there was a cold bore shift but not pronounced like the Vudoo.  Maybe the chamber isn’t as tight to start so not a big cold bore shift.
Wow! 1/2” shift is quite a bit. Hopefully you’ve got it figured out.

Approx round count when you noticed? For my centerfire, I soak the chamber with a patch with C4 and get it “bare metal” clean. Don’t think I shot enough to get impact on chambering for with centerfire and 22lr.

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on October 15, 2022, 06:16:52 AM
https://youtu.be/IObLCFzyf58

Looks like MPA has a new rimfire rifle.  Pricing seems to be inline with other high end semi custom rifles.  I noticed the magazine seems to shift when he’s cycling the bolt.  I’ll wait for a while to see if there are any reviews but looks interesting.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on November 17, 2022, 12:28:46 AM
https://youtu.be/IObLCFzyf58

Looks like MPA has a new rimfire rifle.  Pricing seems to be inline with other high end semi custom rifles.  I noticed the magazine seems to shift when he’s cycling the bolt.  I’ll wait for a while to see if there are any reviews but looks interesting.


(https://i.imgur.com/K1FQRYB.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on November 20, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
SNIP

Looks like MPA has a new rimfire rifle.  Pricing seems to be inline with other high end semi custom rifles.  I noticed the magazine seems to shift when he’s cycling the bolt.  I’ll wait for a while to see if there are any reviews but looks interesting.
Saw that.  I had been looking at .22 lr builds with Rimx and other actions/companies.  Love MPA's products, but not their lead times.  :(
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on December 05, 2022, 11:21:43 PM
Plan to get another stock for my Anschutz 54.30 with Shilen barrel.

Saw this stock on FB and looks amazing. 
Laminated wood, carbon fiber, and epoxy/fiberglass...........
The finish is what they call 100 gloss.

Here's a sample photo of what I'm talking about:
(https://i.imgur.com/AU9CDBz.jpg)

In contact with the company AS Rifle & Stock in Italy.
ETA is 3-4 months.

I'm going to need a local stockmaker/gunsmith to do the epoxy bedding, as no two actions are alike when it comes to bedding.

Costs are about $1400 + shipping to Hawaii......


I finally decided on the stock in the URL below.
https://www.facebook.com/100072536916958/videos/5293075550821781

I amended the numbers.  I made a mistake in calculation

Update on AS Rifle stock from Italy 12/5/2022.

Stock was shortened a bit for the Shilen 24" barrel on the 54.30.
Colors came out bright.
Still not inletted or clear coated at this stage.
Still being worked on, so just some preliminary photos.

(https://i.imgur.com/jdyQC7r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vE3IlaX.jpg)

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on December 06, 2022, 07:47:52 AM
Saw that.  I had been looking at .22 lr builds with Rimx and other actions/companies.  Love MPA's products, but not their lead times.  :(
How did the Italians create a hybrid tree that blends natural with carbon fiber?   ;D  :P

Seriously, that's pretty cool.  Not my cup of tea, but seemingly endless possibilities to personalize and have a stock that is truly unique. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 15, 2023, 11:35:44 AM
Update on previous post:

Change of plans: I am NOT putting the 54.30 action into this AS stock.
I will be putting in an Anschutz 54.18 action with a Lilja barrel.

You see, I have a 54.18 BR50 repeater that I got from the old Anschutz NA Custom Shop in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The 54.30 and 54.18 actions are very similar in dimensions except for the magazine assembly in the 54.18 (actually a 54 action in the 1800 series). AS Rifle & Stock has already inletted the stock with a 54/1913 action (1900 series) which is identical, but for the magazine assembly.

I'm going to pull the action & barrel from the BR U2 stock and plop it into the AS stock.

I'm going to send this stock and action to Las Vegas, where a very very experienced gunsmith/friend will open up the bottom of the stock for the magazine assembly.

(https://i.imgur.com/osqdCEq.gif)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on January 15, 2023, 04:34:50 PM
Update on previous post:

Change of plans: I am NOT putting the 54.30 action into this AS stock.
I will be putting in an Anschutz 54.18 action with a Lilja barrel.

You see, I have a 54.18 BR50 repeater that I got from the old Anschutz NA Custom Shop in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The 54.30 and 54.18 actions are very similar in dimensions except for the magazine assembly in the 54.18 (actually a 54 action in the 1800 series). AS Rifle & Stock has already inletted the stock with a 54/1913 action (1900 series) which is identical, but for the magazine assembly.

I'm going to pull the action & barrel from the BR U2 stock and plop it into the AS stock.

I'm going to send this stock and action to Las Vegas, where a very very experienced gunsmith/friend will open up the bottom of the stock for the magazine assembly.

looks like your project is coming along.  Should be an impressive build once it’s complete.  Hope it will shoot as good as it looks.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: oldfart on January 15, 2023, 08:25:58 PM
Decluttering my house and found this from 52 years ago.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DwW15qvB/expert1970.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsj14nVx)
It's a smallbore (22 LR) 50 ft. award. Yeah, I know 50 ft is not very far.
But the 10 ring is about HALF the diameter of a pencil eraser and you have to shoot prone kneeling and standing unsupported.
I was issued a Winchester 52 C or D, I forget which.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: ren on January 15, 2023, 08:43:15 PM
I was not even in liquid form at that time
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 18, 2023, 01:25:23 AM
I was not even in liquid form at that time

You young boy  :D

The date on that Certificate is when I graduated Roosevelt HS..........
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: drck1000 on January 18, 2023, 07:21:04 AM
SNIP

I'm going to send this stock and action to Las Vegas, where a very very experienced gunsmith/friend will open up the bottom of the stock for the magazine assembly.

You should take a nice long vacation and do some shooting up there while you're at it.   :thumbsup:  :geekdanc:
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: oldfart on January 18, 2023, 07:49:08 AM
You young boy  :D

The date on that Certificate is when I graduated Roosevelt HS..........
==========
 :rofl:
grad 1970?
Did you shoot for Roosevelt?
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on January 18, 2023, 02:14:15 PM
==========
 :rofl:
grad 1970?
Did you shoot for Roosevelt?

Nah, I think you had to be in ROTC to shoot, but not sure.
Wasn't into shooting targets in HS...............
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: mrgaf on January 19, 2023, 03:44:59 PM
Decluttering my house and found this from 52 years ago.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DwW15qvB/expert1970.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsj14nVx)
It's a smallbore (22 LR) 50 ft. award. Yeah, I know 50 ft is not very far.
But the 10 ring is about HALF the diameter of a pencil eraser and you have to shoot prone kneeling and standing unsupported.
I was issued a Winchester 52 C or D, I forget which.


Ug…you one eagle eye!  O0
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: oldfart on January 19, 2023, 05:56:50 PM

Ug…you one eagle eye!  O0
==========
nope not me...I never achieved the distinguished expert qualification.

My classmates were MUCH better. They went to Camp Perry. I stayed home and drank cheap beer.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 04, 2023, 01:09:56 PM
I was looking for another pair of Kelbly rings, 34mm diameter, dovetail base for the Anschutz 11mm rail.

Come to find out that Kelbly stopped making them and got rid of all their stock... even Kelbly's distributors didn't have what I wanted.

When I asked for suggestions on a rimfire blog, all I got was suggestions for rings from pyramydair.com (airgun site) ...........

Right under my nose was March scope rings when I was looking at the March scopes...........

They fit the 3/8" American rail and the 11mm European rail.

They are made in the UK and not Japan like their scopes..... (Update: No, not made in UK.  Made in Italy from the instructions in the box)

Ordered them last Sunday 1/29/2023 and they arrived via DHL on Thursday 2/3/2023 from UK !!

These rings will go on a new MarchX scope to be on March's sale starting March 1st......

(https://i.imgur.com/lxpykfA.jpg)

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 13, 2023, 04:21:39 PM
Stock arrived today.
Needs a mag assembly dug out and bedded by a friend in Las Vegas.
Anschutz 54.18 action.

(https://i.imgur.com/hhNnzk2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/abK3Ddq.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 13, 2023, 06:37:22 PM
Looks awesome.  What’s your guess on timeframe for final completion?  I’m eventually going to build another rifle but probably not diving into the single shot rabbit hole…looking at your rifles is like looking at Lamborghinis…way out of my reach.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 14, 2023, 12:47:36 AM
I’m eventually going to build another rifle but probably not diving into the single shot rabbit hole…

Akubone1,

Nah, not out of reach.  Just a lot of hassle..........
When I first saw these stocks on FB I thought they were out of reach in price and location - Italy.
It did cost a more than a few KBG $20 drinks, but not out of reach.....  you gotta deal with each issue as they appear....
Language was solved by using very simple simple English (my Italian is bad that's why  :crazy:).  Sending money to Italy was also
a learning experience with some surprises with bank surcharges............ ::)

This one is an F-Class Open stock, not really benchrest, but I had Andrea Santacroce shorten the forend, making the forend 3" wide, and
the bottom line of the stock parallel with the forend with the stock bottom being 1/2" width to fit my rear bag........   to make it a BR stock.

Packing it up to ship to Las Vegas this week, so Steve B. can dig a hole in the stock for the 54.18 magazine assembly.  He has personally made all the
Anschutz 54.18 BR50 repeating rifles in the single-shot U2 BR stock.  He will inlet it a little better, epoxy bed it, cut the extra-long new action screws, and make sure
everything is straight.

Today's TV news said that the pistol and rifle range are slated to reopen in April (ha! ha!), and I hope to get it back by that time...........

Hope to see you and the other guys soon at Kokohead........

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 14, 2023, 01:19:32 PM
I’m eventually going to build another rifle but probably not diving into the single shot rabbit hole…

Akubone1,  I am pretty sure that your next (or the next) rifle will be a single-shot. 

In your run down the rabbit hole, you have upgraded your rifle to a Vudoo, your scope to a NightForce, your ammo to Lapua & SK & Eley................ all to shoot bugholes......    :geekdanc:

Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on February 16, 2023, 07:22:36 PM
Akubone1,  I am pretty sure that your next (or the next) rifle will be a single-shot. 

In your run down the rabbit hole, you have upgraded your rifle, your scope to a NightForce, your ammo to Lapua & SK & Eley................ all to shoot bugholes......    :geekdanc:

Started to put away some funds…I really want to get the straight contour 1.2-1.25 barrels and see how the added material plays on barrel harmonics.  I was looking at another Vudoo or Rim X build.  Whatever I choose will probably be the last custom build for a while.  Can’t wait for kokohead to open so I can test all the ammo in the Vudoo.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on February 25, 2023, 10:02:48 PM
I got another MarchX 10-60x56mm High Master with MTR-1 reticle, illuminated.  Got matching March Gen III scope rings to go together.

Both should be in HNL next week.... scope from eurooptics in PA, and rings from UK.
Both going onto my Italian F-Class/BR 54.18 rifle when I get it back from Las Vegas.


Now, only 1 more item I really want..... SEB Neo X........nothing after this one for a long time I hope...
On waiting list since 6/2022 for blue or red......

(https://i.imgur.com/6xtFJjI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/avvUJuq.jpg)
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on July 26, 2023, 03:36:01 PM
Italian stock received in March 2023.

Decided to put an Anschutz 54.18 MSR repeater barreled action into a stock made to be a single-shot.

Stock sent to Las Vegas for inletting a magazine assembly into the stock, and new epoxy bedding.

Come to find out that it needed the barreled action to be straightened inside the stock.....

Got the stock back from Las Vegas yesterday after about 4 months there.

Hope it's not windy this weekend.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on July 26, 2023, 05:58:36 PM
Glad to see the project finally come together.  Hope it shoots as good as it looks.  Now you need the wind to cooperate a little.  I’m still contemplating the next build…instead of buying another rifle from Vudoo I think I’m going full custom…just going take the plunge.
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on July 26, 2023, 10:22:48 PM
Glad to see the project finally come together.  Hope it shoots as good as it looks.  Now you need the wind to cooperate a little.  I’m still contemplating the next build…instead of buying another rifle from Vudoo I think I’m going full custom…just going take the plunge.

Thanks...yeah....took a long time.......

Full custom single-shot 22LR?  BR?

Let's see a list of proposed components.......
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: Akubone1 on July 27, 2023, 06:01:42 PM
Vudoo 360 action
MPA Matrix Pro chassis or MDT Elite chassis
25”-26” Shilen or Muller straight contour 1.200 barrel
***haven’t decided on the chamber yet
Triggertech diamond or BixnAndy trigger
ABR bag rider

There’s a few gunsmiths/shops that I just started talking to.  If not Vudoo action, I might go the Rim X route. 
Title: Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
Post by: esk808 on July 27, 2023, 08:27:01 PM
Vudoo 360 action
MPA Matrix Pro chassis or MDT Elite chassis
25”-26” Shilen or Muller straight contour 1.200 barrel
***haven’t decided on the chamber yet
Triggertech diamond or BixnAndy trigger
ABR bag rider

There’s a few gunsmiths/shops that I just started talking to.  If not Vudoo action, I might go the Rim X route.

Okay, good choices......  But I would go more for a BR rifle......

Jerry Stiller's Holeshot 2500x single-shot action
Muller barrel  or another Benchmark 29" , yeah maybe thick like 1.200, but there must be a reason why Lilja, Shilen, Benchmark barrels (straight contour) are all about 0.905" or so......
Nevius 22 chamber reamer for Lapua Midas+ and CenterX, of course X-Act, or maybe Winchester 52D chamber, the tightest match chamber available...
Bix n Andy competition trigger (556fun get one on his blue Turbo... awesome, but too light...at 1oz...better at 2oz)
Lidgard BR stock
March 8-80x 56mm scope, SFP, with March rings, the new scope looks awesome......
Maybe Steve Boelter to build it... if I ask real nicely, or if too busy, Evelio McDonald and wait maybe 2 years.....

Gotta start saving coins .....



https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/lapua-vs-eley.1275074/

  Good blog on Lapua vs Eley, chamber reamers, etc.