Political Party Disclaimer (Read 37352 times)

MMM

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2017, 09:44:48 AM »
I am personally fully independent.  I vote based on issues not party.  This site I do agree with zippz, is full of bible thumping hardcore conservatives.  Full of conspiracies and pseudo science with a fairly closed viewpoints.  Hawaii is democratic and if you keep alienating those democrats who support gun rights by being far right you (we) will never protect our 2nd amendment rights.

if you color inside the lines, conservatives fit the 2A profile naturally. i'm an independent but, side mostly conservative.

a democrat/liberal that supports 1A/2A is an oxymoron. they are an anomaly.

did i piss anybody off?   :D

punaperson

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2017, 09:55:22 AM »
I am personally fully independent.  I vote based on issues not party.  This site I do agree with zippz, is full of bible thumping hardcore conservatives.  Full of conspiracies and pseudo science with a fairly closed viewpoints. [Oh, the irony!!] Hawaii is democratic and if you keep alienating those democrats who support gun rights by being far right you (we) will never protect our 2nd amendment rights.
Uh huh. So if a person concludes, based upon the totality of the best-quality evidence, that "anthropogenic global climate change" is not supported by the facts, or that "partial birth abortion" is immoral, or that a  "single payer" healthcare system would not be the best way to go (etc., i.e. "hardcore conservative" positions in your words), then and only then will "those democrats who support gun rights" do an about face and "never protect our 2nd amendment rights"? In other words, there are a bunch of Democrats who support "gun rights" (yeah, right, they ALL do... just ask 'em), but if anyone disagrees with them on any other issue those Democrats will give up their support for the Second Amendment and become gun-grabbers? You mean we risk losing the support of those people in control of government (Senate 100%, House 93%, governor, AG, courts, etc. and those who vote for them) who have preserved all our Second Amendment rights so gloriously in Hawaii today? So if we change all our views on the other issues and agree with them they will do EVEN MORE for us?

Woohoo! I can hardly wait! Sign me up! Anthropogenic Global Cooling Warming Climate Change is REAL!!! Just go ahead and poke that eight month (or even five month) gestated blob of protoplasm in what crazy zealot religious nuts think is a "brain" and use a suction catheter to remove that "cellular material" if the mother wants! I'm feelin' the Bern! [Speaking of whom: Bernie Sanders Made $1 Million in 2016 While Slamming Rich People on the Campaign Trail  https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-made-1-million-181443878.html]

So now that I agree with them, when can I expect those wonderful Democrats to restore my rights?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Heavies

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2017, 10:36:08 AM »
I am personally fully independent.  I vote based on issues not party.  This site I do agree with zippz, is full of bible thumping hardcore conservatives.  Full of conspiracies and pseudo science with a fairly closed viewpoints.  Hawaii is democratic and if you keep alienating those democrats who support gun rights by being far right you (we) will never protect our 2nd amendment rights.
Maybe you should base your vote on 2A, assuming you really believe in it, then maybe we can get our rights back.  Any other political issue is moot compared to the anti constitutional sway of the political climate in this state.

Get that fixed first, then we can debate on other less important issues.

omnigun

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2017, 10:45:17 AM »
Uh huh. So if a person concludes, based upon the totality of the best-quality evidence, that "anthropogenic global climate change" is not supported by the facts, or that "partial birth abortion" is immoral, or that a  "single payer" healthcare system would not be the best way to go (etc., i.e. "hardcore conservative" positions in your words), then and only then will "those democrats who support gun rights" do an about face and "never protect our 2nd amendment rights"? In other words, there are a bunch of Democrats who support "gun rights" (yeah, right, they ALL do... just ask 'em), but if anyone disagrees with them on any other issue those Democrats will give up their support for the Second Amendment and become gun-grabbers? You mean we risk losing the support of those people in control of government (Senate 100%, House 93%, governor, AG, courts, etc. and those who vote for them) who have preserved all our Second Amendment rights so gloriously in Hawaii today? So if we change all our views on the other issues and agree with them they will do EVEN MORE for us?

Woohoo! I can hardly wait! Sign me up! Anthropogenic Global Cooling Warming Climate Change is REAL!!! Just go ahead and poke that eight month (or even five month) gestated blob of protoplasm in what crazy zealot religious nuts think is a "brain" and use a suction catheter to remove that "cellular material" if the mother wants! I'm feelin' the Bern! [Speaking of whom: Bernie Sanders Made $1 Million in 2016 While Slamming Rich People on the Campaign Trail  https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-made-1-million-181443878.html]

So now that I agree with them, when can I expect those wonderful Democrats to restore my rights?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

More like going around in threads shouting "FUCKING LIBERALS"/ "liberal trash", etc is probably not going to convince a democrat to support 2a.   
I am for fighting climate change, against single player healthcare and pro all abortions and pro 2a.  What does this make me if you want to squeeze me into one of two groups?
If you keep just forcing a divide there is no chance for cooperation.  I've seen republicans vote anti 2a and democrats vote pro 2a.  This gets more rare every year because everyone wants to shove people into two groups and when they do that and the group votes one way people are pressured to vote the same.


Maybe you should base your vote on 2A, assuming you really believe in it, then maybe we can get our rights back.  Any other political issue is moot compared to the anti constitutional sway of the political climate in this state.

Get that fixed first, then we can debate on other less important issues.

I do vote on a mix of 2a and other issues.  2A isn't the only issue in the world/government.  If Hitler was pro 2a and still Hitler on other issues would you still vote for him?


if you color inside the lines, conservatives fit the 2A profile naturally. i'm an independent but, side mostly conservative.

a democrat/liberal that supports 1A/2A is an oxymoron. they are an anomaly.

did i piss anybody off?   :D


There a reason for this,  conservatives found out that 2a people exist and went to "whoo" them.  Same with religion, they bible thump all day because it gets them votes.  My family has a bunch of democrats and they are not anti-gun.  There are plenty out there we are a majority democrats but yet we have a massive amount of guns owned.  Clearly not everyone is a anti-gun liberal. 

macsak

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2017, 10:47:26 AM »
Maybe you should base your vote on 2A, assuming you really believe in it, then maybe we can get our rights back.  Any other political issue is moot compared to the anti constitutional sway of the political climate in this state.

Get that fixed first, then we can debate on other less important issues.

a better question would be to ask omnigun what he has ever done to, "protect our 2nd amendment rights"?

omnigun

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2017, 10:50:22 AM »
a better question would be to ask omnigun what he has ever done to, "protect our 2nd amendment rights"?

I own guns, voted for the 2a candidates many times, funded the NRA, supported local and national gun shops with many purchases and more.  What have you done that makes you so special mac?

macsak

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2017, 10:54:41 AM »
What have you done that makes you so special mac?

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omnigun

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2017, 10:58:00 AM »
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Great response!
I'm sure you probably did more than me,  you are an esteemed moderator of a 2a forum after all.  But in all seriousness you probably are alot closer to the local gun community and maybe even financially helped in ways I can't afford etc.  But to discount someone is in bad taste.

macsak

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2017, 11:11:03 AM »
But to discount someone is in bad taste.

so this, "is full of bible thumping hardcore conservatives.  Full of conspiracies and pseudo science with a fairly closed viewpoints." is in good taste?

omnigun

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2017, 11:36:58 AM »
so this, "is full of bible thumping hardcore conservatives.  Full of conspiracies and pseudo science with a fairly closed viewpoints." is in good taste?

I would rate it on the bland side of taste.  I guess in the end we are all guilty. 

macsak

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2017, 11:40:53 AM »
I would rate it on the bland side of taste.  I guess in the end we are all guilty.

so it's bland if you do it and bad if i do it?
i understand...

omnigun

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2017, 11:54:31 AM »
so it's bland if you do it and bad if i do it?
i understand...

I just said we are both guilty T_T   Read  lol  Mine wasn't targeted to one person though hence more bland.

punaperson

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2017, 02:09:08 PM »
More like going around in threads shouting "FUCKING LIBERALS"/ "liberal trash", etc is probably not going to convince a democrat to support 2a.   
Maybe we could (politely) submit (well-mannered) testimony by an overwhelming majority, say 112 to 7, to a legislative committee considering a bill to further obstruct our rights and then they'd restore our rights?

Oh, wait. We did that. Unanimous vote FOR the 7, AGAINST the 112. FUCKING LIBERALS.

How is it that language going to make it worse than unanimous against us? Double secret unanimous?

Inspector

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2017, 11:17:40 AM »
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2017, 11:19:24 AM »
The amount of hypocrisy from some of our members here is astounding.   :o :o :o
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

PeaShooter

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2017, 06:11:25 PM »
I agree with omni that, not just the views, but also the behavior of many members of this forum is alienating not just democrats but even those with libertarian, and party-neutral tendencies, from supporting 2A.

rklapp

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2017, 09:50:11 PM »
This is the self designated safe space for far right conservative views.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2017, 09:59:22 PM »
I agree with omni that, not just the views, but also the behavior of many members of this forum is alienating not just democrats but even those with libertarian, and party-neutral tendencies, from supporting 2A.

What facts back up your claim?  Do you have numbers?  Names? 

Or is this something else "you just know?"

It's okay to have an opinion, but when challenged on the basis oif it, don't turn around and cry "He's alienating me!"  We want to understand your point of view and how you arrived at it.

Think of it as, we don't just want you to give us the answer.  We also want you to show us your work.  If you can't, just say so.  No sense in going into victim mode.
Truth, when not sought after, rarely comes to light.  -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

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punaperson

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2017, 10:08:10 PM »
This is the self designated safe space for far right conservative views.
Says the guy who pontificates about a subject and then when asked to provide ANY evidence to support his pontifications is completely silent. Nada. Zip.

hvybarrels

Re: Political Party Disclaimer
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2017, 09:45:55 PM »
Jumping in a little late but I agree with Omni.

Many of the comments in this thread are perfect examples. Hostile, demeaning, full of sophist tripwires, and generally all-around unwelcoming to the average citizen who doesn't have the time or inclination to go wading into a briar patch looking for someone to have a normal conversation with.

If you need a place to vent then it's one thing, but as a tool of political organization 2aHawaii.com is about as useful as a turd in a punch bowl. Doesn't matter how good the recipe is because nobody is going to drink it.

Every once in a while I check in to see if things have changed and sometimes I get pleasantly surprised. Talking on this forum, participating in activities, and meeting some members in real life did alter some of my opinions after all so I'm grateful for the people out there who helped make me a more well rounded person.

Believe me, I understand the frustration though. The liberal silliness of every day life regularly irritates me and listening to a different brand of crazy every once in a while adds a little needed variety. Or maybe I just have a thing for briar patches.

(BTW I'm more of a Socialist. Don't really have a brand name because all purist political philosophies kind of suck, but some things are better left to private industry while other things government does way better....like health care.)
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