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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: HiCarry on November 04, 2015, 01:50:05 PM
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Attention all you Kaiser members who have had some problems with HPD in obtaining firearms permits.
The same attorney that took on HDF's Chris Baker's case and the resident alien (Fotoudis) case, is looking for Kaiser members for a possible legal action. If you are a Kaiser member and have had any problems relating to obtaining a firearm permit, please given him a call to discuss your circumstances. He is particularly interested in the gentleman who was denied based on some diabetic counseling he received.
Here's the contact info:
Richard Holcomb
(808) 545-4040
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Awesome!
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Attention all you Kaiser members who have had some problems with HPD in obtaining firearms permits.
The same attorney that took on HDF's Chris Baker's case and the resident alien (Fotoudis) case, is looking for Kaiser members for a possible legal action. If you are a Kaiser member and have had any problems relating to obtaining a firearm permit, please given him a call to discuss your circumstances. He is particularly interested in the gentleman who was denied based on some diabetic counseling he received.
Here's the contact info:
Richard Holcomb
(808) 545-4040
do eet!
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I now have Kaiser and I am curious what is going to happen when I apply for pistol registration. It will happen soon. I'll let you know if this occurs.
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do eet!
Haha that's exactly what I said in my head when I read the OP
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Haha that's exactly what I said in my head when I read the OP
:thumbsup:
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From the HRA as seen on FB
Attention all Kaiser members who have had some problems with HPD in obtaining firearms permits.
The same attorney that took on HDF's Chris Baker's case and the resident alien (Fotoudis) case, is looking for Kaiser members for a possible legal action. If you are a Kaiser member and have had any problems relating to obtaining a firearm permit, please given him a call to discuss your circumstances. He is particularly interested in the gentleman who was denied based on some diabetic counseling he received.
Here's the contact info:
Richard Holcomb
(808) 545-4040
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https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=20866.msg187451#msg187451
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Let's get a calling friends. I want to get this lawsuit going.
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If it'll help, I'll go try to buy a new handgun!
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Y'know, Maybe I should let it go lest I Bachi myself, but I have never had a problem.
Have been with Kaiser since the '70s, near all my working life, and held a permit to acquire continuously since the early '90s.
My son had some issues when he was a kid, ADD, and visited their facility in the Ala moana bldg, but never applied here.
He Lives in America now, or sorta, California.
Aloha
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Y'know, Maybe I should let it go lest I Bachi myself, but I have never had a problem.
Have been with Kaiser since the '70s, near all my working life, and held a permit to acquire continuously since the early '90s.
My son had some issues when he was a kid, ADD, and visited their facility in the Ala moana bldg, but never applied here.
He Lives in America now, or sorta, California.
Aloha
Gordyf, Looks like they are putting the screws to Kaiser and Straub members.
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Aloha All!
I know that this post was last updated in November, but I just felt that I needed to let you guys know that this is REAL and it is a HUGE problem! I tried to renew my long gun permit yesterday, December 07 and was told that I needed a letter from my physician. I figured it was just another step in the process so I went to Kaiser and was shifted around to a quiet reception area (not the lobby where other patients were checking in). Once they got me away from the public, they informed me that Kaiser would not furnish the letter and that all of their physicians have been informed NOT to provide such a letter. When I asked why Kaiser was holding hostage my 2nd Amendment Right, they claim that they were not and that I could go to another doctor outside of Kaiser to get the letter. Of course, I need to get copies of my medical records for this and when I asked, they indicated that it typically took THIRTY DAYS!!! They also indicated that if you picked up the records yourself, they would charge you a fee!!! WHAT A CROCK!!! I called Harvey from HRA and am exploring my options now.
BE CAREFUL of Kaiser (and apparently Straub)!!!
Aloha and E Kala Mai for the Rant!
BikerCarl
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PM HiCarry, he might be able to direct you to a willing MD. If my experience goes similarly to yours, I'll definitely be notifying him and Mr. Holcomb.
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Aloha All!
I know that this post was last updated in November, but I just felt that I needed to let you guys know that this is REAL and it is a HUGE problem! I tried to renew my long gun permit yesterday, December 07 and was told that I needed a letter from my physician. I figured it was just another step in the process so I went to Kaiser and was shifted around to a quiet reception area (not the lobby where other patients were checking in). Once they got me away from the public, they informed me that Kaiser would not furnish the letter and that all of their physicians have been informed NOT to provide such a letter. When I asked why Kaiser was holding hostage my 2nd Amendment Right, they claim that they were not and that I could go to another doctor outside of Kaiser to get the letter. Of course, I need to get copies of my medical records for this and when I asked, they indicated that it typically took THIRTY DAYS!!! They also indicated that if you picked up the records yourself, they would charge you a fee!!! WHAT A CROCK!!! I called Harvey from HRA and am exploring my options now.
BE CAREFUL of Kaiser (and apparently Straub)!!!
Aloha and E Kala Mai for the Rant!
BikerCarl
Sorry to hear. Please contact Mr, Holcomb. Also, a huge thread on all these issues you may want to read through. https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21085.0
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Aloha Heavies!
Mahalo for the link. I actually saw the other post after I made this one (I guess I was just so upset about this turn of events that I posted in the wrong place!). I have sent email to Council Woman Fukunaga as well as the Representative for my area. I had already contacted Harvey from HRA and he was most helpful. I will also be contacting Mr. Holcomb as well.
Mahalo Nui and Malama!
BikerCarl
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Aloha GlockNewb,
Mahalo for the recommendation. I shall PM him if I am not successful in finding an alternate source (of course I still need to get my medical records first)!!!
Mahalo and Malama!
BikerCarl
PM HiCarry, he might be able to direct you to a willing MD. If my experience goes similarly to yours, I'll definitely be notifying him and Mr. Holcomb.
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Attention all you Kaiser members who have had some problems with HPD in obtaining firearms permits.
The same attorney that took on HDF's Chris Baker's case and the resident alien (Fotoudis) case, is looking for Kaiser members for a possible legal action. If you are a Kaiser member and have had any problems relating to obtaining a firearm permit, please given him a call to discuss your circumstances. He is particularly interested in the gentleman who was denied based on some diabetic counseling he received.
Here's the contact info:
Richard Holcomb
(808) 545-4040
HiCarry, does Mr. Holcomb have an email address as well?
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HiCarry, does Mr. Holcomb have an email address as well?
Richard Holcomb
<rholcomblaw@live.com>
include me on the email to
alan.alexander.beck@gmail.com
I'll be working on the case to. I live on the mainland so you'll probably never meet me but I work with Rick on all the 2a cases.
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UPDATE: The doctor we had made arrangements with to do the clearance exams has now decided NOT to do them. I'll make another post if we can find another doctor to do these exams....
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UPDATE: The doctor we had made arrangements with to do the clearance exams has now decided NOT to do them. I'll make another post if we can find another doctor to do these exams....
Any updates on a new doctor who'll do our examinations? I'm attempting to get my handgun permit tomorrow and I'd like to do as much preemptive work as I can.
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I AM A KAISER MEMBER AND I AM VERY FRUSTRADED CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHO I CAN GO TO SO I CAN GET MY PERMIT. I NEED TO DO A ASSESMENT. IS THERE A CERTAIN DOCTOR WE GO TO? AN HOW MUCH IS IT?
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I AM A KAISER MEMBER AND I AM VERY FRUSTRADED CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHO I CAN GO TO SO I CAN GET MY PERMIT. I NEED TO DO A ASSESMENT. IS THERE A CERTAIN DOCTOR WE GO TO? AN HOW MUCH IS IT?
Stop screaming and spell correctly
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Stop screaming and spell correctly
Wow! It's the guy's first post, and that's how you greet him?
Where's the aloha? :shaka:
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I AM A KAISER MEMBER AND I AM VERY FRUSTRADED CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHO I CAN GO TO SO I CAN GET MY PERMIT. I NEED TO DO A ASSESMENT. IS THERE A CERTAIN DOCTOR WE GO TO? AN HOW MUCH IS IT?
I would suggest you call the lawyer who is representing those of us who have Kaiser and Straub.
You can check out this thread for more information:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=20866.0
Good luck and welcome to the forum! BTW, it is considered impolite to use all caps when typing a post. :shaka:
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IF ANYONE CAN PLASE LET ME KNOW WHAT DOCTOR IS AVALABLE TO DO AN MANTAL HEALTH ASSESMENT. I NEED ONE TO BE DONE BEFORE HPD DENIES MY PERMIT. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. :shaka:
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IF ANYONE CAN PLASE LET ME KNOW WHAT DOCTOR IS AVALABLE TO DO AN MANTAL HEALTH ASSESMENT. I NEED ONE TO BE DONE BEFORE HPD DENIES MY PERMIT. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. :shaka:
TAKE A LOOK AT INSPECTORS POST!!!!!
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IF ANYONE CAN PLASE LET ME KNOW WHAT DOCTOR IS AVALABLE TO DO AN MANTAL HEALTH ASSESMENT. I NEED ONE TO BE DONE BEFORE HPD DENIES MY PERMIT. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. :shaka:
TAKE A LOOK AT INSPECTORS POST!!!!!
shhhhhhhhhh...keep it down guys :sleeping:
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(https://images.rapgenius.com/789f9d2295e3c20112dd27f59f246e5e.600x481x1.jpg)
But to answer your question:
Look at Inspector's post above.
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IF ANYONE CAN PLASE LET ME KNOW WHAT DOCTOR IS AVALABLE TO DO AN MANTAL HEALTH ASSESMENT. I NEED ONE TO BE DONE BEFORE HPD DENIES MY PERMIT. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. :shaka:
No doctor in Hawaii can do a mantal health assessment.
You would need a carpenter for that.
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Wow! It's the guy's first post, and that's how you greet him?
Where's the aloha? :shaka:
Thanks mauidog. but sorry guys if I offended any one. Just need some answers
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I would suggest you call the lawyer who is representing those of us who have Kaiser and Straub.
You can check out this thread for more information:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=20866.0
Good luck and welcome to the forum! BTW, it is considered impolite to use all caps when typing a post. :shaka:
Sorry inspector....just need answers....and I am getting the run around from both sides blaming each other
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Sorry inspector....just need answers....and I am getting the run around from both sides blaming each other
NP Troy. I feel your pain. I cannot buy/register any guns now until this situation is solved.
It is hard to tell which side is telling the truth. Though I think Kaiser is the one that changed the way they handle requests. On the other hand there is a rumor that it is someone in HPD that is causing this problem.
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We need more people so please keep calling. This type of case we want to have multiple plaintiffs in case the City tries something funny.
-Alan Beck
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Hey everyone. I got some good news. They resolved the situation with Kaiser. You can now get your permit as long as you have not seen the Mental Health Doctor as a client. I got the news today so I did my application and everything went well so I will be picking up my permit on the 11th of January.
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Hey everyone. I got some good news. They resolved the situation with Kaiser. You can now get your permit as long as you have not seen the Mental Health Doctor as a client. I got the news today so I did my application and everything went well so I will be picking up my permit on the 11th of January.
So what process did you have to go thru? Did you still need the extra clearance letter written verbatim for hpd? Or did you just have to reapply? Thanks.
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So what process did you have to go thru? Did you still need the extra clearance letter written verbatim for hpd? Or did you just have to reapply? Thanks.
I just went in and reapply. No extra paper work needed. I just did the required paper work.
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I just went in and reapply. No extra paper work needed. I just did the required paper work.
NICE!!! so stoked to hear that. This situation was soo bullshit. To the firearms department I go lol thanks for the info bro.
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I'm having issues with Kaiser. I made a thread about it here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=31450.0 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=31450.0)
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I AM A KAISER MEMBER AND I AM VERY FRUSTRADED CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHO I CAN GO TO SO I CAN GET MY PERMIT. I NEED TO DO A ASSESMENT. IS THERE A CERTAIN DOCTOR WE GO TO? AN HOW MUCH IS IT?
First of all, you need to learn to use Google. Kaiser and the VA alike probably have some sort of policy against doing firearm clearance paperwork. It's gonna cost you out of pocket, as it does most of us, but if a gun is important enough to you, just consider it a personal investment into your safety, rights, etc. Go online and find a doctor. I forget his name, but he and his associates are psychologists in Honolulu that do firearm and medicinal marijuana card exams. Costs about $300 but the call takes about 10 minutes and your paperwork with original signature (or copy which is fine for HPD) is available that same day. Work smarter not harder and don't fall victim to the state's moronic policies to discourage citizens from keeping and bearing arms.
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i just got denied my permit because of kaiser for something that they dug up from about 15 years ago but was releast from treatment this sucks need to know what next action to take this is dumb
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you need to find a psychologist or doctor to write you a note saying you are able to own a firearm
it has to to have the exact verbage that HPD requires. HPD should have provided you a paper that tells you exactly the wording they want with the exact format for the letter. if it isn't exactly the wording and format, it is no good.
if the doctor has a history of writing these letters, they probably know the protocol. but i would make sure of it before paying money and getting it done
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i just got denied my permit because of kaiser for something that they dug up from about 15 years ago but was releast from treatment this sucks need to know what next action to take this is dumb
What was dug up? Depending on the reason is what your next action would have to be. Example: I had a friend who failed from seeing a marriage counselor 5 years prior to his PTA. He called the same one to get clearance, but she retired. So he had to see a new one and get the waiver. It costed him the rate of $200/hr.
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First of all, you need to learn to use Google. Kaiser and the VA alike probably have some sort of policy against doing firearm clearance paperwork. It's gonna cost you out of pocket, as it does most of us, but if a gun is important enough to you, just consider it a personal investment into your safety, rights, etc. Go online and find a doctor. I forget his name, but he and his associates are psychologists in Honolulu that do firearm and medicinal marijuana card exams. Costs about $300 but the call takes about 10 minutes and your paperwork with original signature (or copy which is fine for HPD) is available that same day. Work smarter not harder and don't fall victim to the state's moronic policies to discourage citizens from keeping and bearing arms.
Dr. Tom Cook in Honolulu charges ~$300 without insurance for a firearm clearance exam. 10 minute online video call appt with choice to pick up original signed letter in office or get copy emailed to you. HPD accepts the copy, take to registration side and they’ll put it in your application package. Pick up permit on assigned day as long as you get the clearance letter in soon after package submission
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KAISER SENT A RECORD THAT I WAS TREATED FOR DEPRESSION ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO AND WAS GIVING ME MEDS THAT I DIDNT KNOW WAS FOR DEPRESSION
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when you do get the clearance letter done, i would bring the original to HPD
i've done this several times, i've been red flagged for years, and they always ask for the original and then they'll make a copy at HPD. just like your affidavit, they always want the original to be sure there's no forgery
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Hi y’all,
First post on here…first post on a forum period.
Anyways,
Asking for a friend who was diagnosed with depression some years back. Was denied (Not sure where in the process that they were denied or by whom).
Their health’s back to normal from what I can tell. Who would they have to see to reinstate their rights back? I’m assuming it was by the Dr. Do they need to see the same Dr. or can they go to a new Dr to be cleared.
Mahalo in advance 🤙🏽
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new doctor is ok
magic words are "no longer adversely affected"...
Hi y’all,
First post on here…first post on a forum period.
Anyways,
Asking for a friend who was diagnosed with depression some years back. Was denied (Not sure where in the process that they were denied or by whom).
Their health’s back to normal from what I can tell. Who would they have to see to reinstate their rights back? I’m assuming it was by the Dr. Do they need to see the same Dr. or can they go to a new Dr to be cleared.
Mahalo in advance 🤙🏽
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when you do get the clearance letter done, i would bring the original to HPD
i've done this several times, i've been red flagged for years, and they always ask for the original and then they'll make a copy at HPD. just like your affidavit, they always want the original to be sure there's no forgery
Stangzilla, I had to do the clearance letter 6 years ago, found out the doctor that wrote the clearance letter is retiring soon (outside of Kaiser, had to pay like you did). Is the clearance letter good in perpetuity as long as nothing new that is "negative" comes back up?
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Stangzilla, I had to do the clearance letter 6 years ago, found out the doctor that wrote the clearance letter is retiring soon (outside of Kaiser, had to pay like you did). Is the clearance letter good in perpetuity as long as nothing new that is "negative" comes back up?
I had thought so.... I had a clearance letter written about 7 years ago. but then I just went in last month to renew my permit, the clerk/officer at the window told me the letter is out of date. I've never had a problem with the letter before I literally been using it to renew my permit for the last 7 years.
So now i am being told i need to go get a new updated letter, basically need a new date ::) so now i have to find another non-kaiser doctor and pay out of pocket just to get a new letter written with a new date. f-ing ridicolus
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Anyone who knows of a 2A friendly doctor who is willing to examine and write the letter out of pocket cost please PM me.
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Anyone who knows of a 2A friendly doctor who is willing to examine and write the letter out of pocket cost please PM me.
If this is for a frivolous denial and can wait a bit, hold off for now. We are working with the county of Honolulu to stop the denials.
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Might be a couple months for this to be resolved
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Sorry but things have fallen through. This case will likely take a long time to complete.
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I was denied a firearms clearence letter from Kaiser. Had to pay for a private psychological exam to get my clearence letter