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Title: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 21, 2022, 01:33:41 PM
Here are the bills I screened.  Please let me know if I missed any.  This is constantly updated
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NLg8TTUJOUyFh-JOasPMSoadaySrABzpZn1cwzQcyiU/edit?usp=sharing

Updates:  6-28-22

Legislative updates.
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Congratulations on getting these 2 bills passed:
HB3298 Big Island shooting range planning group.
HB1872 Recognizing game mammals and birds as a important food source.
These bills passed through the legislature with your support and are not on Governor Ige's Intent to Veto list.  Therefore they will become law by July 12th.  The Big Island range project has been in the works for over 10 years by On Target Hawaii and has faced setbacks, but the work continues on thanks to this bill.  Thanks to Hawaii County GMAC and hunters for introducing HB1872 to protect hunting traditions in Hawaii.
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Hunting bill is on the Intent to Veto List:
SB3179 Bounty for Axis deer management offers cash incentives to hunters to control the overpopulation in Maui county.  The Governor believes bounties are ineffective and will lead to fraud and trespass.  Please contact the Governor's office with your comments https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/.
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Anti-gun bills passed:
On June 3rd Governor Ige signed into law HB2075 Requiring in-person inspection/registration for firearms acquired from out of state, person to person, or assembled with engraved registration numbers.  This conflicts with the Federal District Court's ruling in Yukutake v Connors which struck down the requirement as unconstitutional.  Honolulu Police Department has updated their website to reflect the changes.  It is unknown if other county's are following.  Firearms acquired through FFL's may still be registered remotely and are exempt from the in-person inspection/registration requirement
We are confident that we will prevail in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Yukutake v Connors.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 21, 2022, 01:35:14 PM
First 2 days of bill intros, not much to report right now.  It may be a light year for gun control due to it being an election year.  Things are going badly for the err....gun control side nationally... and gun control loses votes.  It has less of an effect in Hawaii due to our one party state.  Everytown isn't as active in other states probably for this reason and there's rumors their donations are down.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 23, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
It's been a slow start so far with a relatively small number of bills coming up though we still have 3 days to go for bill introductions.  Also last year's bills, 2021, are still in play but legislators will reintroduce bills rather than bring back old ones 90% of the time.

Biggest one so far is SB2800 which adds requirements for concealed/open carry in expectation of a positive SCOTUS decision in NYSRPA.  Cuts down permits to 6 months long (from 1 year).  If Hawaii has the national average of 6% of adults having permits, then 60,000 people would need permits and police departments would have to process 120,000 applications each year.  Plus a 16 hour training requirement, must carry a electric gun with the firearm, etc.  Even police officers don't have these requirements.  Thank Senator Lee for this which he also introduced in 2019.

Other one is SB2738/HB1732 banning electric guns from government buildings.  This bill is a "not my problem" type of law where the government doesn't care what happens to you on your way to the government building or security inside of the building.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 23, 2022, 10:36:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rDUZLZ8.jpg)

Zoom link:  https://zoom.us/j/84628777595
Everyone is invited to join our annual 2A Legislative Webinar on Zoom and Facebook Live to discuss firearms and hunting bills introduced in the legislature and what you can do to help. 
Bills coming up:
•   Prohibitive Concealed/Open carry requirements
•   Electric gun prohibited places
•   And more!
Also learn about the DC Project in Hawaii, Hawaii’s newest 2A advocacy group!
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 24, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
Tasers arent even for sale yet and they have more laws already.

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Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: Stack_Xchange on January 25, 2022, 05:30:14 AM
 §134-A  Definitions

"Electric gun" means any portable device that is designed to discharge electric energy, charge, voltage, or current into the body through direct contact or utilizing a projectile.  "Electric gun" includes devices commonly referred to as stun guns and Tasers.  "Electric gun" does not include any automatic external defibrillator used in emergency medical situations.

https://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore.com/collections/mini-stun-guns/products/streetwise-usb-secure-keychain-stun-gun-22m-black
(If the link is not allowed: For $19 you can buy, USB SECURE KEYCHAIN STUN GUN 22M)

$20 solution. Will fit on my keychain, right next to my glass punch and seatbelt cutter. I also don't see any mention of a requirement to maintain the taser in working order.

NOTE: Not posting that link to encourage any type of sale. Not affiliated with that website in any way. Just posting as an example of a reasonable 'solution' to the "shall also carry an electric gun" requirement.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 25, 2022, 06:38:02 AM
Tasers arent even for sale yet and they have more laws already.

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I was afraid of this and there might be more restrictions they are concocting up because they know most likely SCOTUS will rule against them.

All of this to complicate and hinder and discourage self protection efforts by law abiding citizens.  All the while the criminal elements somehow still manage to obtain firearms illegally.

Instead of working to stop the criminal element from obtaining firearms, they focus on restricting the ability of law abiding citizens to protect themselves, saying we must be expert witnesses and to run away from the bullets that are chasing us, lol!

Hawaii legislators are not interested in our safety.  They are interested in their political agenda.  And a big part of their agenda involves restricting or eliminating the 2nd Amendment.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: 6716J on January 25, 2022, 08:53:30 AM
Liking HB2075 regarding permits to acquire *insert sarcasm*. Because they were forced to eliminate the 10 day expiration period, they're now just moving the goal post to 30 day expiration. So in reality it doesn't change anything. But you have to love the reasoning that cuts both ways. Why for the handgun PTA but not the long gun? Optics of control.

..."The legislature finds that, if a permit to acquire has an excessively long expiration date, some of this background information, including relevant mental health information, may become outdated by the time the permit is used. People often change their names or addresses, and their appearances can change over time. More importantly, people can experience events in their lives that disqualify them from owning firearms, such as criminal convictions, mental health diagnoses, or being subjected to restraining orders."...

They also want to keep physical inspections in place with the exception of dealer purchases. So all private party transactions will require a visit back

HiFiCo thanks for all you've done, but it looks like another court battle here if it passes.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: RSN172 on January 25, 2022, 09:13:02 AM
All of this shows what dicks our politicians are. I guarantee you that if gun control was higly unpopular and pushing for it likely means you won't get reelected, they would flip sides. All they care about is staying in office with its perks.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 25, 2022, 10:10:07 AM
§134-A  Definitions

"Electric gun" means any portable device that is designed to discharge electric energy, charge, voltage, or current into the body through direct contact or utilizing a projectile.  "Electric gun" includes devices commonly referred to as stun guns and Tasers.  "Electric gun" does not include any automatic external defibrillator used in emergency medical situations.

https://www.thehomesecuritysuperstore.com/collections/mini-stun-guns/products/streetwise-usb-secure-keychain-stun-gun-22m-black
(If the link is not allowed: For $19 you can buy, USB SECURE KEYCHAIN STUN GUN 22M)

$20 solution. Will fit on my keychain, right next to my glass punch and seatbelt cutter. I also don't see any mention of a requirement to maintain the taser in working order.

NOTE: Not posting that link to encourage any type of sale. Not affiliated with that website in any way. Just posting as an example of a reasonable 'solution' to the "shall also carry an electric gun" requirement.
"Designed to discharge". Doesnt matter if broken or no battery.

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Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 25, 2022, 01:19:38 PM
All of this shows what dicks our politicians are. I guarantee you that if gun control was higly unpopular and pushing for it likely means you won't get reelected, they would flip sides. All they care about is staying in office with its perks.

That's the basic theory behind the Overton Window.

Popularity of policy positions matter more that the purpose, goal, or viability.  It's all about telling the people what they want to hear,
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 25, 2022, 09:35:09 PM
One more day of bill intros left and it's been light so far.  The House seems to be behind on updating their bill statuses or they maybe limiting the number of bills being introduced.

The Governor's office submitted SB3043/HB2075 to address my permitting/registration lawsuit.  Essentially they want to track all firearms in Hawaii by requiring in-person inspection for firearms acquired out of state, private to private sales, and ghost guns.This goes against the Federal judges order in my lawsuit.  The team is figuring out options on how to handle this.

Looks like hopes for a Big Island range is still alive in SB3298 which calls for a working group to find a place and plan for a range.  This has been ongoing for about 10 years with constant roadblocks.

Also a few bills to control Maui's axis deer overpopulation problems.

Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: rpoL98 on January 25, 2022, 09:59:17 PM
SB3043:
"Amends section 134-3, Hawaii Revised Statutes, to eliminate physical inspection of firearms generally, but requires physical inspection of firearms brought into the State, firearms involved in private sales or transfers, and firearms and firearm receivers with engraved or embedded serial numbers."

is it just me?  it seems that most modern metal firearms nowadays are engraved, either laser or CNC, not roll-marked, not metal-punched for ID numbers like the old days.  and all polymer firearms have embedded tags for serials numbers.  kinda sounds like ALL firearms to me will have to be inspected?  going back to the old way, rolling back the HIFICO progress.

 :wtf: 
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 26, 2022, 01:51:45 PM
SB3043:
"Amends section 134-3, Hawaii Revised Statutes, to eliminate physical inspection of firearms generally, but requires physical inspection of firearms brought into the State, firearms involved in private sales or transfers, and firearms and firearm receivers with engraved or embedded serial numbers."
 going back to the old way, rolling back the HIFICO progress.

 :wtf:

This may be in violation of the settlement.  HIFICO is aware of it's potential problem.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 27, 2022, 11:21:58 AM
That's all folks, intro deadline passed yesterday.  Lighter year on the gun control push and a still less than my optimistic projections.

We'll be pushing HB2464 which removes the duty to retreat when using deadly force.  There is still the requirement to be threatened with serious bodily injury, but it removes some liability and hesitancy from the victim.  It got a good amount of support from the House judiciary committee last year, so it's got a shot at passing.

No committee hearings scheduled yet.  These bills will likely start popping up towards the end of second week of Feb.

Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 27, 2022, 11:53:05 AM
The main one to focus on is the taser location restrictions IMO.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 27, 2022, 12:15:45 PM
FYI, these are last year's bills that saw action.  These could be carried over to this year.  Two bills that advanced the most, SB301 Mag ban, SB307 50 cal ban were crossed over tot he House where it was stopped by JHA committee, they weren't interested in them.

(https://i.imgur.com/LTzkmZz.png)
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 28, 2022, 10:17:42 AM
Got a first committee hearing on a minor bill, HB1456 which basically upgrades the theft charge if someone steals an electric gun.   In the House JHA committee on Tuesday.  Write testimony through the capitol website.  Capitol is closed so Zoom testimonys only.  This is a good chance to practice your Zoom setup and skills before the other gun bills come up later.

It's a bill we can support to discourage thefts of electric guns and show legislators that we want to punish criminals with weapons.

Personally I don't think the law is really needed but I'll support it.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1456&year=2022
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on January 31, 2022, 06:50:31 PM
First major gun bill is up for a hearing SB3043 which affects permitting and registration.  Submit your testimony and read the other thread: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=44538.0

Need help writing your testimony or using ZOOM?  Watch our ZOOM webinar for help.

Tuesday February 1 at 6pm
Thursday February 3 at 6pm
On ZOOM:  https://us06web.zoom.us/j/88523512868
On Facebook Live:  https://www.fb.com/hificoorg
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on February 02, 2022, 02:10:18 PM
Continue submitting  written testimony for tomorrows hearing, 2-3-22 at 1:10pm.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on February 05, 2022, 10:44:03 AM
I did a writeup of the completed hearing on SB3043 here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=44538.msg412794#msg412794.  Important note is NRA, Mom's Demand Action, and other gun control groups were noticeably absent.  Not sure why.  Lack of funding?  Election year troubles?  Light year for gun control in Hawaii?

The sister bill HB2075 is up for hearing on the House side on Tuesday.  It is the exact same bill as SB3043 so you can revise and submit the same testimony again.  I give it a 33% chance it'll pass JHA with stuff that we oppose, if we put up a strong fight and get more live testimonies in opposition.

Hearing on Monday WTL for SB3320 destruction/control of feral pigs.   Like the Maui deer, pigs are overpopulated in some areas that destroy forests and sometimes attack people.  Not sure what the hunting communities view on this is.
 
Hearing on 2-9-22 HB2445 Volunteer month.  This is a good one to support and represent the 2A community.  Many people volunteer to run the 2A activities.  2A club officers, trainers, RSO's running range activities, 2A activisim with DC Project/HIFICO/HRA, USPSA clubs, gun show, Friends of the NRA Banquet.  Volunteers keep the 2A alive in Hawaii.  Please submit testimony for this on behalf of your favorite club and volunteers.



Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on February 18, 2022, 12:56:57 PM
Pretty slow legislative session for 2A bills this year.

Yesterday was the first lateral deadline, bills needing 2 or more committee hearings are dead though sometimes there's ways around that. 
SB2738 Electric Gun Prohibited Places died, could mean they're not interested in it.  SB2994 DLNR Report on the Palila Bird (for mauna kea hunting) unfortunately died too, the hunters wanted to use it to restore sheep hunting on Mauna Kea. 

HB1732 Electric gun prohibited places, had a cancelled hearing earlier.  It may not advance considering the Senate version died and the recent Kapolei police station murder would result in public backlash.

HB2075 In person firearms registration is still awaiting the committee report from 2 weeks ago.  I'm not sure why it's taking so long, maybe they're having second thoughts on it with the continuing judicial proceedings or waiting to see if the 9th Circuit takes the appeal.  There's still a lot going in our favor as the Senate PSM committee will probably not take it up or defer it again (SB3043), it's still currently unconstitutional, good chance State will lose in the 9th Circuit, and the upcoming 2A SCOTUS decision could seal the deal on it.

HB2464 - no duty to retreat, has a March 4th deadline for a hearing.  we may have to do a call in next week to support it.

The firearms and hunting community did a successful call in to schedule hearings for these next 3 bills.  These bills would've died with the deadline if not for the call in.

HB1872/SB3299 Food Security bills are advancing though the added DLNR amendments watered it down against the wishes of the hunting community.  This bill would add another layer of protection against the loss of game animals and hunting lands.

SB3298 Big Island range working group will advance and it has support from all the legislators.  Except for my new Aiea Senator Masalucha, she was the only one to vote with reservations.  Probably anti-gun.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: Heavies on February 21, 2022, 05:05:57 AM
Nice.  Looks like these past years of covid nonsense has pissed off so many voters that these legislators don’t want to continue to alienate potential votes.

Hopefully people remember and vote accordingly.

Thanks for your hard work Zipps
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on February 22, 2022, 04:03:10 PM
Bills up for hearing, short notice, on Thursday 2pm in the House Judiciary (JHA)

OPPOSE HB1732 Prohibited places for electric guns.  There is the original bill which bans electric guns near and in government buildings and transit sites.  Now there is a new proposed HD1 version which clarifies the bill and prohibits electric guns in or on the grounds of government buildings, public schools,, transit stations (excluding bus stops) and on buses/mass transit. 
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1732&year=2022

SUPPORT HB2464 simply removes the duty to retreat when using deadly force for self-defense.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2464&year=2022

Get your testimonies in.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on March 03, 2022, 08:32:08 AM
Key bills have been reported and cleared the committees and are up for their 2nd reading floor vote today or tomorrow, and 3rd reading on Tuesday.  You have to contact your district house representatives.  We have some opposition in the House on HB1732 and HB2075,  and some support for HB2464.

Last week HB1732 Electric guns had it's first committee hearing with proposed HD1 which changed the "near" government buildings to the grounds of.  It only had 1 supporting testimony and lots of opposition.  HPD opposed the bill.  Lopresti, normally anti gun, gave a story of how his family was confronted by a criminal in Chinatown and made him see why self-defense is important.  Vote was close, 6 to 4 to advance it.  Just one more no vote would've killed it.  Noes were Lopresti, McKelvey, Tokioka, and Ward.

HB2464 no duty to retreat also had a hearing at the same time.  There were overwhelming supporting testimonies and about 10 opposition testimonies from anti-gun groups, and around 10 opposition from gun rights people that meant to support it.  That could've been a costly mistake, not sure why there were so many mistakes.  No testimony was submitted by the AG, HPD, or other agencies which surprised everyone, including the legislators.   The bill advanced with another close vote 6 to 4 with Noes to D Kobayashi, Lowen, McKelvey, and Takumi.

Overall odds are against us on these two bills, but we have a fair chance of defeating HB1732 if we can get lots, 1,000 people, to call in.  Same is true for passing HB2464.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: robtmc on March 03, 2022, 10:31:29 AM
Lowen is my  "rep" and has been very quiet in newsletters about self defense and 2A issues.  She sends out wimpy newsletters looking for feedback without a peep about 2A issues.

Just sent her this, expecting the usual "feelings" boilerplate word salad if she repsonds.

"Your opposition to the HB2464 "no duty to retreat" sort of frames your opinion of our right to self defense, no?

You stay very quiet on this sort of topic, but this would seem to clarify your hostility to self defense.

You should be honest with constituents about your feelings about self defense and possessing the means to do so.  Especially as so many of us are getting up there in years and not able to physically deal with the druggies and bums all over Kona these days."
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on March 03, 2022, 03:09:44 PM
Lowen is my  "rep" and has been very quiet in newsletters about self defense and 2A issues.  She sends out wimpy newsletters looking for feedback without a peep about 2A issues.

Just sent her this, expecting the usual "feelings" boilerplate word salad if she repsonds.

"Your opposition to the HB2464 "no duty to retreat" sort of frames your opinion of our right to self defense, no?

You stay very quiet on this sort of topic, but this would seem to clarify your hostility to self defense.

You should be honest with constituents about your feelings about self defense and possessing the means to do so.  Especially as so many of us are getting up there in years and not able to physically deal with the druggies and bums all over Kona these days."

Good people get punished more than criminals.

I dont know much about her but she seems very anti.  Wonder if she has a close election so she needs every vote and doesnt want to piss off gun owners.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: robtmc on March 03, 2022, 05:46:47 PM
I dont know much about her but she seems very anti.  Wonder if she has a close election so she needs every vote and doesnt want to piss off gun owners.
Assuming I even get a reply, will post it.

The time I told her the racket from barely muffled Harleys and diesel trucks using air brakes was ruining the place.  She blew it off "I heard 'loud pipes save lives' "  Nothing but something she heard or read.   Thanks, liberal, for ignoring the cause of the disturbance.   Figure she was all against those horrible fireworks, though.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: rpoL98 on March 25, 2022, 12:00:04 AM
@zippz
just wondering how come this isn't a pinned thread?
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: rpoL98 on April 25, 2022, 09:31:13 PM
HB2075 still in play.

Firearms; Permits; Registration; Firearms Inspections.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on April 25, 2022, 10:08:46 PM
HB2075 still in play.

Firearms; Permits; Registration; Firearms Inspections.

Rhoads does what Rhoads does.  He took out the 30 day permits, and made the registration changes temporary for 3 years to force it through the court appeals.  A good SCOTUS decision within the next 2 months could win this for us.
Title: Re: HIFICO 2022 Legislature Firearms Bills(see 1st post)
Post by: zippz on June 28, 2022, 09:22:29 AM
Legislative updates.
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Congratulations on getting these 2 bills passed:
HB3298 Big Island shooting range planning group.
HB1872 Recognizing game mammals and birds as a important food source.
These bills passed through the legislature with your support.  HB3298 was signed into law yesterday and HB1872 was not placed on the Intent to Veto list.  The Big Island range project has been in the works for over 10 years by On Target Hawaii and has faced setbacks, but the work continues on thanks to this bill.  Thanks to Hawaii County GMAC and hunters for introducing HB1872 to protect hunting traditions in Hawaii.
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Hunting bill is on the Intent to Veto List:
SB3179 Bounty for Axis deer management offers cash incentives to hunters to control the overpopulation in Maui county.  The Governor believes bounties are ineffective and will lead to fraud and trespass.  Please contact the Governor's office with your comments https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/.
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Anti-gun bills passed:
On June 3rd Governor Ige signed into law HB2075 Requiring in-person inspection/registration for firearms acquired from out of state, person to person, or assembled with engraved registration numbers.  This conflicts with the Federal District Court's ruling in Yukutake v Connors which struck down the requirement as unconstitutional.  Honolulu Police Department has updated their website to reflect the changes.  It is unknown if other county's are following.  Firearms acquired through FFL's may still be registered remotely and are exempt from the in-person inspection/registration requirement
We are confident that we will prevail in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Yukutake v Connors.