Range Etiquette - WTF!! (Read 42440 times)

bushidoaa808

Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« on: August 26, 2013, 03:25:17 PM »
I was reading some of the comments on the "how many rounds do you guys shoot at the range?", and some commented on guys taking brass while they were shooting. I just recently had an incident with someone while I was teaching a class. This guy had some balls! First, he asks me if I reload or not. I tell him "Yes, I save all my brass". Then I catch him "reaching" between mine and my students legs with the broom trying sweep up our brass. When I confront him, he says those were his that missed his brass catcher. I can see if he missed a few, but this guy was trying to pick up nearly all of the brass on the ground. To top it off, my friend was trying to be proactive by having the students sweep up the brass as others were shooting, to limit the other guy's take. When we were having a group discussion about a type of pistol, the guy grab the dustpan (which was right at the bench next to us) and tries to take what was inside of it. When I said "Hey! What are you doing?" he said that as far as he's concerned, any brass on the ground or in the dustpans are free game. WTF!!!

Since when did common courtesy and common sense fly out the window?!?! Let's just forget the fact that on the ground or not, that's someone else's property. Hence, you're just stealing. There are a lot of guys that reload, and there are a lot that don't. Is it so hard for someone to just tap a person on the shoulder and say "Hey man, do you save your brass?" If they say "yes", you can just say "no problem, just checking" or, even better, be a cool guy and hand him some of his brass. That gesture alone tells him that you respect his property and you understand that he's saving his cases. If he says "no", thank him for the brass and help a brother out by policing his area for him. That's the least you could do for a guy who is basically giving you free money.

Respect and courtesy goes a long way in sports. As far as I can see, most everyone at the range has respect and courtesy for each other, but there are those few. If you see someone being a vulture, stalking a person while they're shooting, and snatching brass as it gets ejected, ask them politely if they have permission or tell them that they should ask the person shooting if it's ok. We're all there to have a good time, but I don't have a good time if I'm constantly trying to protect my property from getting stolen. Just some thoughts on these a$$hole$ who think this is acceptable.

Rule #1 - Touch someone else's gun is like touching someone else's woman...don't do it!!!
Rule #2 - If you don't know, ask.
Rule #3 - If they didn't ask for an opinion, keep it to yourself.

Any more common courtesy rules will be gladly appreciated, and very humorously enjoyed!  ;D  :shaka:

DoubleTap_jayguns808

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Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 03:33:47 PM »
This is where the 10 commandment of the shooting community will start for shooters and ranges throughout Hawaii!!!

bass monkey

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 04:02:51 PM »
Thats kinda dick taking the brass from the pan, especially since he knew you guys were using it and it was in with your stuff, especially after being called out on it.

bushidoaa808

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2013, 04:06:35 PM »
This is where the 10 commandment of the shooting community will start for shooters and ranges throughout Hawaii!!!
Hahaha! No kidding. There should be a 10 commandments of shooting.

bushidoaa808

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2013, 04:08:38 PM »
Thats kinda dick taking the brass from the pan, especially since he knew you guys were using it and it was in with your stuff, especially after being called out on it.
I know, right?! Too bad this is becoming too common! Hence the term Brass Vulture :D

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2013, 04:09:06 PM »
Rule of thumb for every range i've ever visited:

It is only acceptable to pick up other folks brass if they are clearly gone and not coming back (abandoned)
or, if they are still there, if you ask for permission.

Some ranges require you to "donate" the brass (indoor ranges).  Cuts down on range cost for all customers, and prevents potential for bad feelings if someone accidentally scoops another shooter's brass.

The last range I went to charged me just for the first half hour, and I was there longer than an hour.  Equitable trade:  brass for range time.
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
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Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2013, 04:09:16 PM »
Thats kinda dick taking the brass from the pan, especially since he knew you guys were using it and it was in with your stuff, especially after being called out on it.
I hate when while I'm sweeping, people is trying to pic the brass out the dust pan. I was so irritated one time that I whip it right on the field....

Mr. Farknocker

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2013, 04:55:36 PM »
The art of retrieving brass is a delicate, sensitve process since brass doesn't neatly pile up in one location all by itself. Sometimes they fly two stalls over and get mixed in with other people's brass. I use a brass catcher to catch my brass but sometimes the brass misses the catcher and flies onto the floor below.  I haven't quite figured out how to best handle the situation except to ask the guys around me if they collect their brass. If my brass flies over to someone else's spot two stalls down, I just let it go unless i'm shooting a round that's not common like .32 ACP in which case I just go hunting for the individual brass. Since you are limited to loading 5 rounds on the target pistol side, looking for 1 or 2 stray casings is usually not a problem. What would be an equitable way of dividing up the brass that's mixed together when you don't have a brass catcher or when your shells miss the catcher? 

Tom_G

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2013, 05:05:02 PM »
he said that as far as he's concerned, any brass on the ground or in the dustpans are free game. WTF!!!

My reply?  "As far as I'm concerned, anything left sitting on the bench is fair game.  You keep the brass; I'm taking your guns and your ammo."
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808gmac

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2013, 05:09:32 PM »
That's one of the reasons why  I love bolt guns, break-open guns, and revolvers....and links

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Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2013, 05:16:56 PM »
Hahaha! No kidding. There should be a 10 commandments of shooting.
if we come up with 10, I'll engrave it on a rifle or shotgun barrel, so if we have a shooting competition, Hdf day, fun shoot, us shooters can touch it for good luck!!!!!!

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2013, 05:18:12 PM »
We should pick one day the brass thieves are there, a bunch of us show up on whichever range they are stalking, and every one of us, ONLY SHOOT ALUMINUM CASED AMMO (nothing in brass cases!)!!

It would be fun to just watch them walk away .... then we switch to brass again!!

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oldfart

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2013, 05:19:18 PM »
Carry a fat sharpie and mark your case head if you are keeping your brass.... only takes a few seconds to do.

Pick an odd color so it's more distinctive.
You can even use a 2 color scheme.
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808gmac

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2013, 05:22:33 PM »
Carry a fat sharpie and mark your case head if you are keeping your brass.... only takes a few seconds to do.

Pick an odd color so it's more distinctive.
You can even use a 2 color scheme.

That's what we do when we shoot USPSA matches....but these brass fairies, would not care...they'll probably take'em anyway...lol

bass monkey

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2013, 05:24:50 PM »
That's what we do when we shoot USPSA matches....but these brass fairies, would not care...they'll probably take'em anyway...lol

Maybe if you were bored enough you could use sharpie-s and color the entire brass a rainbow.  or maybe use nail polish.  lol.  Make sure to wink at them when they try and steal your brass.

Haoleb

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2013, 05:28:25 PM »
Sounds like some of these people at the range you guys on oahu go to are something else. Between the guys acting like seagulls taking the brass before it hits the ground and the guys who show up and hog a bench all day to shoot 6 rounds like its their personal living room.. WTF.

I don't know what runs though some people's minds these days

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Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2013, 05:42:40 PM »
That's what we do when we shoot USPSA matches....but these brass fairies, would not care...they'll probably take'em anyway...lol
hahah, brass fairies sound crazy ah, when I was young my dad use to say that to people that does that, and that's when I was 7, so that been going on ever since. So I guess I'm my fathers son because I call them that now!!!! Lol pass it around and let everyone know they do exist!!!

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808gmac

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2013, 06:01:17 PM »
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Was probably the same asshole who decided to help himself to my rifles.
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Kingkeoni

Re: Range Etiquette - WTF!!
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2013, 07:45:29 PM »
This is why the "once a year pimp slap" needs to be instituted.

A law which allows you to pimp slap some shithead who desperately deserves it.

The police show up, because invariably the shithead is a whiny bitch that will call the police.

They check your record and you haven't used your annual pimp slap, so you're free to go about your business.
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