And here you are, responding to justify your own actions.

 

Hypocrisy to the extreme.

I responded to defend the attack on my honesty. Do you have a problem with that? You didn't have a problem derailing this thread.

I do sometimes but I should more. My stubbornness in calling out trolls usually wins that battle though.

I do sometimes but I should more. My stubbornness in calling out trolls usually wins that battle though.

Hahahahha."In my mind", my stubborness is calling out trolls usually wins that battle though. FIFY

It’s so sad that the moderators here do not enforce civility. Remember, the Anti 2A people are on this website too and are watching us bicker amongst ourselves. It’s no wonder why they think they have the upper hand in enacting new anti 2A legislation. If we can’t become a cohesive and strong group (like Mom’s Demand Action) then there’s no chance to influence the outcome of the draconian laws that keep being proposed. Stop demonstrating your childish behavior towards one another or take it elsewhere.
 

It’s so sad that the moderators here do not enforce civility. Remember, the Anti 2A people are on this website too and are watching us bicker amongst ourselves. It’s no wonder why they think they have the upper hand in enacting new anti 2A legislation. If we can’t become a cohesive and strong group (like Mom’s Demand Action) then there’s no chance to influence the outcome of the draconian laws that keep being proposed. Stop demonstrating your childish behavior towards one another or take it elsewhere.
 

I agree.  Can't be effective with all the squabbling going on and it discourages new people from joining and participating.

It’s so sad that the moderators here do not enforce civility. Remember, the Anti 2A people are on this website too and are watching us bicker amongst ourselves. It’s no wonder why they think they have the upper hand in enacting new anti 2A legislation. If we can’t become a cohesive and strong group (like Mom’s Demand Action) then there’s no chance to influence the outcome of the draconian laws that keep being proposed. Stop demonstrating your childish behavior towards one another or take it elsewhere.
 

You are correct. But I look at it this way as well.

When the anti gun testify to support anti 2a bills, I've seen them lie and use half truths and feelings.  This ranges from the head of the org, individuals, and even the politicians.  During the hearings, we try to correct their false info or to clarify the context.  Sometimes we can do this and sometimes not as the hearings you don't get a turn to speak again and if you go before the anti 2a, you rarely have a chance to counter the discussion.  Plus the hearings aren't designed to be a "debate".

Now if we let the anti 2a get away with this, then they have more "ammo" to get anti 2a laws passed as no one is questioning them.

Now relate that to here. If someone (EEF) presents false info, he is corrected.  Then when he tries to wiggle out of being wrong, he then resorts to other tactics that is obvious.  There is only so much facts that can be presented.  Like talking to an anti 2a person.  Flapp has the ability to post very detailed info to counter any lies/bad info by EEF.  I used to do this, but it's like talking to an anti 2a, it's a waste of my time to go into great detail as his mind won't be changed.  So I instead speak in general terms and easy things for most of the time now since he has shown the inability to use logic and admit when wrong.  For others, I will present more data if they're wrong.  I myself have been wrong on things and when presented with the facts, I admitted it and the discussion ended. Often it comes with a "focus" word used to show I was wrong as i had "no focus".

We had this issue with another member some years ago and he is now gone.

So the point of the above is to show another side of why things get replied to the way that they do.  I have noticed that pro 2a people are more fact based.


Then add in that this is a local forum and HI is very small where everyone knows everyone. So some use more restraint when having a discussion as odds are you may run into the person at some point.

He is not a nice person.

Hey Flapp and Oilchange, can you find a new hobby that does not involve bullying?

Hey Flapp and Oilchange, can you find a new hobby that does not involve bullying?

If you mean correcting when someone post inaccurate info, then no.


bul·ly1
/ˈbo͝olē/
verb
gerund or present participle: bullying
seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).

Are stating that EEF is perceived as vulnerable in your eyes?  I sure don't think of him that way. Nor do I seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce him.

Hey Flapp and Oilchange, can you find a new hobby that does not involve bullying?

Two points:

1.  EEF doesn't seem to mind, or else he'd stop engaging us.  I can't read his mind, but that would seem to track with his behavior.

2.  I consider this more of a public service than a hobby. 

I believe if you let someone with an opinion on everything go on and on unchecked, others will take for granted that they must know what they are talking about.  It's our duty (yours too) to call our misinformation, made up "facts" and opinions based solely on Google search results when we catch them.  If nothing else, challenge the person to provide the supporting information upon which they formed their opinions. 

I prefer forum members police fake news rather than the government, social media platforms or so-called fact checkers.  The fact that EEF drags every opinion into a mud wrestling match isn't our fault.

I get why you'll calling us out as bullies and not ragging on EEF.  Parents will almost always appeal to the older, more mature children to let the baby have its way because they know appealing to the baby will have no effect.