Deputy Who Waited Outside During Florida School Shooting May Be a ‘Coward" (Read 14112 times)

rklapp

If they’ll start to arm teachers, does that mean they’ll make it legal for librarians to use “silencers”?
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
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punaperson

556fun

I’m not qualified to say if he failed in his job or is a chicken or is a pos.  With that said I’m fairly sure the sheriffs dept has a lot of money for training whether it be education on our laws, rights, whatever!  I’m also sure there is a written job description and pledge they take to protect and serve!  When all said and done and the final report of the investigation is in, if he’s proved not fulfilling his responsibilities and failed the school and those who perished in this incident what good was all that money they spent on training, and the oath to protect and serve!  Then law enforcement is failed and not the 2nd amendment!

Rocky

This is my opinion:  the HPD cop is sworn to serve and protect Integrity-Respect-Fairness.  (How's that working out ?  :crazy: ) But that doesn't include rushing headlong into a situation where the odds of succeeding isn't too good.  Taking on shooter(s) armed with ARs with only your 9mm and no backup aint the smartest thing in the world to do.  In dangerous situations normally, cops call and wait for backup before rushing in.  A handgun, concealed or not, is your best defensive option against someone armed with a rifle, but in no ways does it make sense to rush someone head-on.  In a defensive situation, with the element of surprise on your side, you potentially can stop the shooter (such as if teachers or other school employees were armed).
I really don't think hanging the guy for not charging in alone (and probably getting mowed down) is fair.
So A firefighter should not rush into a burning building to save lives ?
Our enlisted men and women shouldn't clear a house or walk a road where IED"s are known to be ?
Humane Society should not capture bigger dogs ?
Do Your Frick'n Job. You knew the risk when you took it !   :closed:

On the other side of the realm, see my "Be Afraid " post.  :shake: :shake: :shake:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=30418.0

I’m not qualified to say if he failed in his job or is a chicken or is a pos.  With that said I’m fairly sure the sheriffs dept has a lot of money for training whether it be education on our laws, rights, whatever!  I’m also sure there is a written job description and pledge they take to protect and serve Take notes after the fact !  When all said and done and the final report of the investigation is in, if he’s proved not fulfilling his responsibilities and failed the school and those who perished in this incident what good was all that money they spent on training, and the oath to protect and serve!  Then law enforcement is failed and not the 2nd amendment!

SCOTUS has judged that civil servants (LEO, Government Agency, CPS etc...) have no obligation to protect
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/courtrulingsonpoliceprotection.php#axzz589mWmLQx

On a side note, I understand there may be many placed in these positions who got there by participating in the D.A.R.E Program in schools, most likely placed there for passing LEO enlistment but are basically "Conscientious Objectors"
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

punaperson

stangzilla


http://tribunist.com/news/deputies-told-not-to-enter-florida-high-school-during-mass-shooting-unless-they-had-body-cameras/

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According to the report, “sources near the Broward County Sheriff’s Office,” said that deputies that arrived or were present at the high school, located in Parkland, Florida, were instructed not to enter the building “unless their body cameras were turned on."
Ingraham went on to state that none of the deputies had body cameras with them at the time of the incident, “so they did not enter the building or engage the shooter.”

hvybarrels

Just in case anyone forgot. Police have no duty to protect you.

https://www.copblock.org/27067/police-have-no-duty-to-protect-you/

Unless you are rich, of course. They you can bribe them and enjoy the benefits of your own publicly-funded private army.
“Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you figure it out for yourselves.”

punaperson

Who better to be issuing tactical orders than the woman formerly in charge serving papers on people? One victim, his family, and their attorney believe mistakes were made and are litigating for damages. And, we learn, as part of the series of totally rational responses we have seen here, they are going to tear down the building where it happened (again). Wise use of taxpayer dollars for sure.  :crazy:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203015289.html#1

Deputies were told to set up ‘perimeter’ around Parkland shooting. That’s not the training

The Broward Sheriff’s Office captain who initially took charge of the chaotic scene at a Parkland high school where 17 people were killed told deputies to form a perimeter around the deadly scene — which they did instead of going in to confront the shooter, according to a partial BSO dispatch log obtained by the Miami Herald.

Capt. Jan Jordan, commander of BSO’s Parkland district, gave the order, the log shows, identifying her by her police call sign.

Broward Sheriff Scott Israel has said BSO training and nationwide active-shooter procedure call for armed law enforcement officers to confront shooters immediately rather than secure a scene.

Before being appointed to command Parkland, Jordan was assigned to BSO’s civil division, which serves subpoenas and injunctions, according to her online biography.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203661689.html

Teen shot five times at Stoneman Douglas High plans to sue BSO, school system

A 15-year-old Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting survivor and his family have put Broward County authorities on notice that they will sue to seek money damages to help cover the cost of his recovery.

Attorney Alex Arreaza filed the letter on behalf of Anthony Borges, who was shot five times, including in both of his legs.

“These kids at this school were let down at just about every level,” Arreaza said.

The two-page letter was sent Monday to notify various Broward agencies, including the Broward Sheriff’s Office, of the Borges’ intent to sue.

In the letter, Arreaza says more should have been done to protect the students and teachers.

“The failure of Broward County Public Schools and of the Principal and School Resource officer to adequately protect students, and in particular our client, from life-threatening harm were unreasonable, callous and negligent,” he wrote in the letter. “Such action or inaction led to the personal injuries sustained by my client.”

Arreaza told the Herald that there was a breakdown on every level.



Flapp_Jackson

CASE CLOSED: Head of commission investigating Parkland shooting says armed staffer could have stopped Nikolas Cruz

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So what they’re saying here is a good guy with a gun could have stopped a bad guy with a gun,
which is what we already know. But it’s good to see it coming from the head of the commission
investigating the Parkland shooting.

Via Miami-based Patricia Mazzei, New York Times, quoting Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri
who is heading the commission investigating the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS in
Parkland, Fla.

Nikolas Cruz had to reload “several times”:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/08/10/case-closed-head-of-commission-investigating-parkland-shooting-says-armed-staffer-could-have-stopped-nikolas-cruz/

So far, the Sheriff, the school, the FBI and the school security guard have been proven to have dropped the ball in preventing and stopping this shooter.

But, "NRA!!!!"

 :crazy:
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

rklapp

The problem is that he was a good guy with a gun getting close to retirement and he's too old for this shit.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

Flapp_Jackson

The problem is that he was a good guy with a gun getting close to retirement and he's too old for this shit.

You assume he was a good guy.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

rklapp

And you assume he wasn't? Usually the bad guys shoot the innocent and the good guys shoot the bad guys so guess he was neither.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

stangzilla



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "

Flapp_Jackson

And you assume he wasn't? Usually the bad guys shoot the innocent and the good guys shoot the bad guys so guess he was neither.

I made no claims either way.  You did.

Usually?  Who decided that?
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

rklapp

Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

macsak