Lol you nuts q. No forget deedy planted a knife and had his 'witnesses' claim elderts threatened him with that knife

Then I suggest you should pull your head out of your ass and read the 911 transcript again.

that doesn't change the fact that the situation could easily have been deescalated by both parties, but more so by Elderts. It takes a bigger man to attempt to calm the situation down or simply leave. Instead, he chose rather to puff up his chest and play bad ass, which ended up escalating the situation and resulting in his death.

Q, don't get too worked up by hvybarrels.

In his time on this forum he has established.

A) He's a troll.
B) He has disdain for law enforcement, military and authority.
C) He has never served his country.
D) He has never been employed as a LEO under any circumstance.
E) He is a bleeding heart liberal.

He purposely tries to push people to react to his off the wall ASSumptions and misstatements.
The reality though is that no one knows him. He never shows his face at any functions, I don't even think he owns a firearm.
He's simply a pimple on an ass that won't go away.

Quote from: Kingkeoni on July 15, 2013, 01:55:34 AM

Quote from: Q on July 15, 2013, 01:40:19 AM

Lets not forget the gems:

"People are serving life sentences for shoplifting, but for some reason leaving a trail of bodies behind allows murderers to walk free" or the intentional "Mr. Deeds" movie reference.

After the first response to this genius I stopped cause I realized he was not only a troll, but a
DOOOOOCCHE A BAAHHAAAAAAGUH!!!
If you pay attention how he pieces together his words you'll see it's absolutely clear that English is not his native tongue either, so he may not even be located in Hawaii or the USA.
Ignore him - if he is a he - and he'll get bored and go away.

I disagree.  With Deedy claiming self defense, he has already done the prosecutor's job by admitting that he has killed somebody.

The question is, "was he justified in his use of deadly force?" and will the jury buy it.  That is the case that Deedy's defense attorney needs to make.  If someone picks a fight with someone, gets beat up and gets scared for his life, he is not justified in the use of deadly force, because in that case, he would be the bad guy. In Deedy's case, the video doesn't seem to support that he had no other options regarding shooting Elderts.............

..............It seems his only other card is the LEO card. But even that seems kinda iffy. The other question is: "was Deedy acting in the way a LEO would act in that situation?"

I agree that there seems to be nothing good that will come out of this for CCW's case.  In this instance, the only thing that could come out of this is that the LEO guy is in the wrong. Would a CCW'd Elderts have made this outcome better?...............

(1)  Subject to the provisions of this section and of section 703-308, the use of force upon or toward another person is justifiable when the actor believes that such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself against the use of unlawful force by the other person on the present occasion.

     (2)  The use of deadly force is justifiable under this section if the actor believes that deadly force is necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping, rape, or forcible sodomy.

     (3)  Except as otherwise provided in subsections (4) and (5) of this section, a person employing protective force may estimate the necessity thereof under the circumstances as he believes them to be when the force is used without retreating, surrendering possession, doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do, or abstaining from any lawful action.

     (4)  The use of force is not justifiable under this section:

    (a)   To resist an arrest which the actor knows is being made by a law enforcement officer, although the arrest is unlawful; or

.........Firearms and alcohol really does not mix.

I didn't watch the trial today but bringing a racism discussion into this is kinda sad to hear.  I don't think bringing the racism thing into this will bring about justice / a fair trial for Deedy but will only muddy the discussion, make this into a circus, bring out the prejudices of people and further ethnic/racial tensions.

At the very least, I hope that everyone can stay mature and objective about this and learn from the mistakes that people made that night.

I am curious to hear what Deedy's defense will say.

Q.....two things:
1) is it against forum rules to use obscenities when they are not directed towards a user?  I mean everybody writes "f'ing haole" and its ok; but in a context, if someone writes "fucking haole", that's offensive?  I'm politely asking seriously; I'm not being a wise guy here.

Secondly, in a similar vein, if someone is just expressing themselves with obscenities but not towards anyone - just to convey emotion - is that a violation of forum rules?  Again, I ask cause I feel that if someone is not being abusive - if the language is either a quote or a tool to convey emotion - then isn't it protected forum speech?

There is NO PROOF Zim escalated the situation.  Just as there is no proof as to who attacked whom first.

Since the state can't prove any of that (and by extension, neither can you), you should stop using assumptions and untruths to support your side of the argument.

If there was evidence Zim started the fight, then self-defense would have been thrown out as a strategy.  You can't start an altercation and then plea self-defense.

Just my opinion, of course ...

I don't agree. Elderts had fists. Mr. Deeds was carrying a gun. That makes every fight he gets into a gun fight. When someone is ready to deploy lethal force they should be held to a higher standard. If the immediate issue is not important enough to kill or die for, then don't push it. You call 911 when someone is pissing on your garden gnome, but you don't call S&W unless they are kicking down your door.

This isn't a forum of a public entity (such as HPD). 

If 2A doesn't want certain talk on his forum, he can ask anyone to leave.  If they don't like it tough doo doo, you get banned.

Police, witness testify on Day 5 of Deedy trial:

http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/police-witness-testify-on-day-5-of-deedy-trial/-/8905354/20991868/-/tfqivqz/-/index.html?absolute=true

I don't care if Deedy planted an AA-12 on Elderts; that doesn't change the fact that the situation could easily have been deescalated by both parties, but more so by Elderts. It takes a bigger man to attempt to calm the situation down or simply leave. Instead, he chose rather to puff up his chest and play bad ass, which ended up escalating the situation and resulting in his death.