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Sound familiar? Preview of first week of Hawaii 2023 legislative session... Just substitute "Hawaii" for "New Jersey"... and "Rhoads" and "Lee" for "Coughlin" and "Scutari"...

New Jersey lawmakers rewrite gun carry law after ruling
 
[Excerpt]

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — New Jersey lawmakers unveiled new legislation Thursday to rewrite the state's firearm carry laws after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in June expanding gun rights.

Democratic Assembly Speaker Craig Coughlin and Senate President Nicholas Scutari, surrounded by other lawmakers and red T-shirt-clad Moms Demand Action supporters, said the new measure will bar permit holders from carrying in schools, polling places, bars, restaurants, theaters, sports arenas, airports, casinos and child care facilities.

It also sets up a new requirement that permit holders carry insurance to protect against accidental discharge, coverage that Scutari said is already available in insurance marketplaces. The bill increases permitting [fees], though the exact amount wasn't immediately clear. The funds will be put toward compensation for crime victims under the legislation.

The measure also calls for permit holders to undergo gun safety training and would set up a vetting process that requires non-family references to vouch for applicants. It would disqualify applicants with past violations of restraining orders and other “character of temperament” concerns, though just how those issues would be defined wasn't immediately clear.
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Likely many on this site are subscribed to the SAF mailing list, but just in case...

SAF APPLAUDS TENN. COURT RULING AGAINST HOUSING AUTHORITY GUN BAN

The Second Amendment Foundation scored a victory in a ruling by a Tennessee Appeals Court panel striking down a gun ban by a public housing authority in the community of Columbia on the grounds it violates the Second Amendment, citing recent Supreme Court language in the case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

SAF supported Columbia resident Kinsley Braden in the case. He was represented by attorneys David G. Sigale of Wheaton, Ill., and Eugene R. Hallworth, of Columbia. The case is known as Columbia Housing & Redevelopment Corp. v. Kinsley Braden.

Writing for the three-judge panel, Judge Frank G. Clement, Jr., explained, “(I)n light of the Supreme Court’s most recent decision in Bruen and keeping in mind the presumptively unconstitutional status of Columbia Housing’s policy based on the Supreme Court’s decision in Heller, we conclude that a total ban on the ability of law-abiding residents—like Mr. Braden—to possess a handgun within their public housing unit for the purpose of self-defense is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.”

Judge Clement also noted, “Because Columbia Housing is a government entity acting as a landlord of property it owns, it must establish that its leasehold restrictions on firearms is ‘consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation’.” The lower court was reversed and the case was remanded for further proceedings consistent with the appeals court ruling.

Judge Clement was joined by Judges Andy D. Bennett and W. Neal McBrayer in the unanimous ruling.

“We’re delighted with the appeals court ruling,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “This underscores the far-reaching effect of the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark Bruen opinion. Mr. Braden was evicted from the public housing complex because he had a firearm. The court properly held that such a prohibition is a non-starter. Rulings like this make it clear the Second Amendment means what it says.

“This is another victory in our mission to win firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time.”
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General Discussion / Why Everyone Needs an AR-15
« on: September 24, 2022, 08:16:31 AM »
Why Everyone Needs an AR-15




00:00 Intro
03:32 A History of Small Arms
04:08 Matchlocks
04:32 Flintlocks
08:13 Percussion
09:01 Sharps Breech Loader
11:34 Henry Lever Action Repeater
12:39 Mauser Bolt Action
14:05 M1 Garand
15:43 AK-47
18:10 M-16
19:53 AR-15
21:07 Weapons of War
22:53 Crime Prevention
23:41 Military vs. Sporting Arms
25:36 Why Everyone Needs An AR-15

Edited to add: I became aware of this video via a newsletter from a Colorado state legislator who recommended it to all of his constituents. Now, just try to imagine any legislator or government official in the state of Hawaii publicly recommending such a video to Hawaii citizens. Never gonna happen.
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Legal and Activism / In a world far far away... rights exist
« on: August 26, 2022, 10:43:23 AM »
In a world unimaginable to Hawaii residents people are being allowed to exercise their fundamental, individual, unalienable, God-given/natural Constitutionally-protected rights... even if they're "only" 18.

Guessing several Hawaii legislators and bureaucrats experienced the vapors when they heard about this court ruling. "Based on the text, as informed by Founding-Era history and tradition..."... Hey, we can't have any of that! No right is absolute. Common sense gun safety regulations are perfectly constitutional! Because... we said so. Now go take that class that's required but doesn't exist in order to exercise one of your rights.

Huge court victory for gun rights in Texas…

Federal judge says Texas can’t ban 18 to 20 year olds from carrying handguns

A federal court in Fort Worth on Thursday struck down a Texas prohibition that limited adults under 21 from carrying handguns. Texas law bars most 18 to 20-year-olds in the state from obtaining a license to carry a handgun or carrying a handgun for self-defense outside their homes.

Two plaintiffs, who fall within that age range, and the Firearms Policy Coalition, filed a lawsuit against the state to challenge the statute. The suit says the Texas law prevented the plaintiffs from traveling with a handgun between Parker, Fannin and Grayson counties, where they lived, worked and went to school.

U.S. District Judge Mark Pittman wrote that the Second Amendment does not specify an age limit and protects adults under 21 years old. “Based on the text, as informed by Founding-Era history and tradition, the court concludes that the Second Amendment protects against this prohibition,” Pittman wrote in the ruling.

Edited to correct misspelling and add this link to the court decision:

https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/1b5478d53ca94273f608f46c40f581fe/Firearms-Policy-Coalition-v.-McCraw.pdf

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Legal and Activism / California Bans 2nd Amendment Clothing for Minors
« on: August 20, 2022, 06:47:47 AM »
From the "you can't make this sh*t up" file:

California Bans 2nd Amendment Clothing for Minors…

Newsom signed AB 2571 which prohibits 2nd Amendment advertising to minors. Written in the bill, specifically, is the inclusion of apparel and merchandise by brands.

[Nor can any firearm part have any symbol or image that could "reasonably be expected to be attractive to minors". Our "reasonably" or theirs? After all, we "reasonably" expect that "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means we can exercise that right by bearing arms outside the home for self-defense... them, "no you can't".]

https://trackbill.com/bill/california-assembly-bill-2571-firearms-advertising-to-minors/2230763/

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Legal and Activism / How about a legal challenge to registration?
« on: July 28, 2022, 11:42:45 AM »
Here's an example of a Bruen tenet (as taken from the baton lawsuit):

"Bruen specifically  rejects  means  end  scrutiny  and  requires  the government to “affirmatively prove that its ... regulation is part of the historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.”  Id. at 2127."

I have no idea of what the laws were in 1791, but I'd be surprised if every firearm possessor in many given legal jurisdictions (state, county, town, etc.) had to go to the government and give them the serial number on their firearm(s) (and be fingerprinted).  :D

"Registration" is an anomaly, not part of the mainstream widespread historical tradition (as far as I know). It is still an anomaly today, with the majority of states having no such laws (as far as I know).

Also, I'd be surprised if firearm sellers then had to be registered with the government and keep detailed records of every sale of every firearm, subject to inspection at any time by government agents.

Is there a legal reason "registration" has not been challenged yet? (Or maybe it has been challenged in some jurisdiction requiring registration... if so, could someone please provide a link to the filing? Thanks.)
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Texas has really changed for Constitutional Carry to be such a lengthy and arduous battle.

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John Lott on constitutional carry. Could Hawaii be any further from the Constitution re the Second Amendment? Well, of course they could, but they might be in or near first place depending on how you weight specific unconstitutional provisions... is "no carry" worse than "no mags over 10 rounds for any gun "? etc. smh.

I testified before the Texas House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee on Constitutional Carry [1] , and the two bills on it passed by 6-to-3 votes. Twenty states have now adopted Constitutional Carry [2]. It is now possible to walk from West Virginia to Idaho and from the Mexican to the Canadian borders and carry a concealed handgun without a permit. Four states have now passed the bills this year, and serious efforts are underway to pass bills in Texas, Louisiana, and Nebraska. One America News interviewed me about the national movement [3].

1. [https://crimepreventionresearchcenter.nationbuilder.com/r?u=VXhonUob8h_X67qZqTDLXdR5YnSWKo8AsxjH2rcRaaEqVJI6RfsqvzuKojoWWQkXaG8iL3cOjrvHG59aaMH6jskyWyaCy_GdLHHfk5onIdO7tj5PFWf2k18VHE4BYZ6qF6YbCYQaNlwC-ixJuzTq32IbPS1GEJ4Sz5oc3zebiOQ&e=2b2e2b99b067c924d4ce27bad29a173a&utm_source=crimepreventionresearchcenter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=april_10_2021&n=5]

2. [https://crimepreventionresearchcenter.nationbuilder.com/r?u=VXhonUob8h_X67qZqTDLXdR5YnSWKo8AsxjH2rcRaaGiHq96UtS-8ePqwN5OYmL_lVtW52GothfBc_N9vpRPtGyYe0eMRh_f6yrMl8jAxVY&e=2b2e2b99b067c924d4ce27bad29a173a&utm_source=crimepreventionresearchcenter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=april_10_2021&n=6]

3. [https://crimepreventionresearchcenter.nationbuilder.com/r?u=VXhonUob8h_X67qZqTDLXdR5YnSWKo8AsxjH2rcRaaF1-TycZ3mKU0vHi-eORqXHgnPQAEkQYM2OoZUUdISThPITrbrQLeLjzi94O5g-hPxkhOfnZzadCh2hGlpSN1kgoeKzVHv760Zd2BHwbUQl2I0PMe7xOX-JOQMK0WmlS-w&e=2b2e2b99b067c924d4ce27bad29a173a&utm_source=crimepreventionresearchcenter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=april_10_2021&n=7]

His Texas senate judiciary committee testimony on youtube:



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I suppose technically that a Hawaii resident could win and have the gun shipped to someone on the mainland where legal to store for them until the "changes" happen here that will have the legislators and governor passing and signing bills to make these legal, along with permitless open carry of handguns with no mag limits and rifles and shotguns. Wait for the Big Freeze report from Hell. I doubt there is one legislator or executive in all of Hawaii that would support Greene in her efforts to end the attempt at civilian disarmament.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/marjorie-taylor-greene-with-new-gun-giveaway-vows-no-ban-on-my-watch

Marjorie Taylor Greene, with new gun giveaway, vows no gun ban ‘on my watch'

Outspoken gun advocate and controversial new House member Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is stirring it up anew with her latest AR-15 giveaway that is meant to demonstrate her vow that President Biden’s gun ban “won’t happen on my watch.”

Greene, who raffled off two guns during her 2020 campaign in northern Georgia, is offering a weapon from the Live Free or Die state of New Hampshire to put an exclamation point on her pro-gun advocacy.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is vowing to fight gun control.



It is a “Honey Badger,” an AR-15 pistol style that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives tried to regulate last year before pausing amid an outcry of gun owners, including Donald Trump Jr., who use similar firearms.

“Joe Biden wants to ban it. The ATF tried to ban it,” she said of the Q LLC gun that costs $2,900.

"I'm giving away the Honey Badger by Q because it's the gun in the crosshairs of gun grabbers all across America," Greene said.

She also noted that it and most other semi-automatic weapons would be banned, registered, or regulated under legislation in Congress supported by Democrats. That bill, H.R. 127, she said, “would require Americans to register it, so tyrannical government agents can confiscate it in the future.”
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Just curious.
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Now, which Hawaii legislator will stand up in the same manner as Boebert to our local abusers of our rights? I wonder if any of them even have the hardware for the background for the remote/virtual testimony?



https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/lauren-boebert-trolls-libs-with-visible-ar-15s-during-hearing/

Lauren Boebert trolls democrats with visible AR-15s during hearing…

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I wonder when Hawaii will pass permitless carry? :rofl: Let me guess: NEVER.

Our legislature, executive branch, and judicial branch are 95%+ traitors to their oath of office (and country) to support and uphold the constitutions ("shall not be infringed") of the United States and the state of Hawaii.

In the past I asked Gabbard to introduce a permitless carry bill (he did introduce, higher mag limit (17), and other bills at my request) but wouldn't go for it... I know it wouldn't have even gotten a committee hearing (like the others he introduced for me), but still... it would have been interesting just to see it officially in print in the Hawaii legislative system.

Too bad they're virtually all fascist authoritarian civilian disarmament proponents. Lucky we live Hawaii.  :shaka:

Here is the whole article, but please go to The Washington Free Beacon and give them (and keep and bear rights reporter Stephen Gutowski) a click.

https://freebeacon.com/guns/utah-axes-gun-permit-requirement/

Utah Axes Gun-Permit Requirement

State will allow residents to carry concealed guns without permit


Residents of Utah will soon be able to carry concealed guns without a permit.

Governor Spencer Cox (R.) will sign legislation into law this week to eliminate the permit requirement, his spokeswoman told the Washington Free Beacon on Tuesday. The act will allow any law-abiding person over the age of 21 to carry a gun under his or her clothes while in the state. Convicted felons, those adjudicated mentally ill, and other people prohibited from owning a gun are excluded from the policy.

Clark Aposhian, chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, said his group has been pushing for the change since 2013, when a previous attempt was vetoed by then-governor Gary Herbert (R.). He said the bill becoming law is a win for law-abiding gun owners and will cut down on potential wait times for those in danger, noting that getting a permit can "take up to 90 days."

The repeal of permit requirements for concealed gun carry has accelerated over the past decade in a show of the increasing influence of gun owners and Second Amendment groups, especially at the state level. Utah is the 17th state to adopt a permitless carry system. While Vermont has used a permitless system since its founding, most states effectively banned any form of concealed gun carry until the mid-1990s. As recently as 1986, 16 states banned concealed gun carry while another 25 had laws allowing state officials to reject permit applications for any reason.

Now, no states outright ban concealed carry [not "outright", as theoretically it is legally possibly to apply for a license, but in the real world no license is possible here in Hawaii], and only eight states still allow officials to reject permit applicants who otherwise comply with training and background-check requirements.

Experts said the relaxation of concealed gun carry restrictions in recent years after concerted efforts from groups such as the National Rifle Association is proof of how influential politically active gun owners can be.

"The adoption of these laws in the last two decades has demonstrated the power and persuasive ability of a mobilized gun-rights movement," Jake Charles, executive director of Duke University's Center for Firearms Law, said.

Gun-control activists have continually opposed the loosening of gun carry laws by warning that violence would accompany the reforms. Moms Demand Action, a top gun-control group, attempted to block the Utah law. Activists accused lawmakers of "gutting" training requirements that would prove "dangerous" to the public. Utah state senator David Hinkins (R.), who sponsored the bill, disputed those talking points, arguing that broadened gun carry laws have not been linked to surges in gun crimes.

[And now for the actual facts...]

"The three safest states in the U.S. have permitless carry laws: Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine," he said during a floor debate. "This is not a left or a right issue, it's a good policy backed by good data."

Robert Leider, a George Mason University professor who studies gun laws, said gun-rights groups rebutted those arguments by emphasizing self-defense.

"Gun-rights groups have been immensely successful at legalizing the carrying of firearms for self-defense," Leider said. "Even many liberal states readily issue permits to carry firearms."

The new law will go into effect on May 5. It passed the Utah Senate by a 22-6 vote and the House by a 51-20 vote. Utah residents will still be able to obtain a concealed carry permit, which some other states require for nonresidents within their borders.
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And by "reform" they mean "expanding" it to nullify the current purported "conservative" majority (since when is 2 (Thomas, Alito) out of 9 a "majority"?).

Politico wouldn't lie about such a thing would they?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/27/biden-supreme-court-reform-463126

Biden starts staffing a commission on Supreme Court reform

He pushed the idea as a candidate during the Amy Coney Barrett confirmation fight. Now, he’s getting it going.

The Biden administration is moving forward with the creation of a bipartisan commission to study reforms to the Supreme Court and the federal judiciary.

The commission will be housed under the purview of the White House Counsel’s office and filled out with the behind-the-scenes help of the Biden campaign’s lawyer Bob Bauer, who will co-chair the commission. Its specific mandate is still being decided. But, in a signal that the commission is indeed moving ahead, some members have already been selected, according to multiple people familiar with the discussions.
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Mods: Please feel free to move this to "Political" if it's deemed to be such.

https://www.revolver.news/

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Political Discussion / Why don't we ever see Ige
« on: December 23, 2020, 09:02:52 AM »
Why don't we ever see Ige doing anything half-way interesting like Governor Noem?

All we ever see of Ige is him standing behind a podium uttering nonsense with an apparently immutable look of dumbfoundedness. smh.

Oh, and South Dakota has remained open and has no worse THE VIRUS!!! consequences than neighboring North Dakota which is rife with Safety Cult lockdowns, mask mandates, etc.

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Along with Thomas Massie on the Patriot, etc. bill.

Next thing you know she'll change her stance, again, and be opposed to homosexual "marriage".

https://fee.org/articles/tulsi-gabbard-and-thomas-massie-take-a-stand-for-the-fourth-amendment/

Tulsi Gabbard and Thomas Massie Take a Stand for the Fourth Amendment

Sweeping surveillance laws have remained on the books for decades after 9/11—but two members of Congress from opposite sides of the political spectrum want to change that.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1339249493921984520



AND...

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-introduces-bill-to-block-abortion-of-fetuses-capable-of-feeling-pain/

Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Bill to Block Abortion of Fetuses Capable of Feeling Pain
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Here's the link to the actual ATF document at scribd: https://www.scribd.com/document/488431301/Atf

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/atf-decision-could-lead-to-biggest-gun-registration-turn-in-effort-in-american-history/

ATF Decision Could Lead to Biggest Gun Registration, Turn-in Effort in American History

Agency's vague AR-15 pistol standards could affect millions

New guidance from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could put millions of Americans in legal jeopardy.

The ATF published a notice Thursday that could require millions of AR-15 pistols and similar firearms—which are designed with braces that strap on to a shooter's forearm—to be either registered, turned in, destroyed, or dismantled. But the standards laid out for determining the devices' legality, such as caliber or weight, provide no objective measures, and the agency said it may also use undisclosed factors to judge the legality of the devices.

The agency conceded in the notice that some pistol braces are legal and should not be subject to the registration or destruction requirement. It said, however, that it could not provide a blanket determination for which pistols, or braces with which they're often equipped, are legal and said it would have to examine each gun "on a case-by-case basis." That means owners of the vast majority of the estimated three to four million AR-15 pistols and similar firearms may have to register with the ATF.

Second Amendment advocates were up in arms over the proposed rule, saying the uncertain legal status could destroy several businesses that make pistol braces and harm the gun industry. Erich Pratt, senior vice president of Gun Owners of America (GOA), said the subjective nature of the guidance shows that the "ATF has gone off into the deep end."

"GOA will rally the grassroots to fight these regulations, and if they eventually go into effect, we will commence immediate legal action to protect gun owners," Pratt said in a statement.

The controversy stems from how federal law distinguishes between short-barrel rifles and shotguns, both of which must be registered and require a $200 tax stamp, and pistols that do not require either. The key component is whether a firearm is designed to be pressed against the shooter's shoulder. Since 2012, the ATF has classified several guns with braces designed to strap to a shooter's forearm as pistols. The agency's Boston field office called that interpretation into question in August after sending a cease and desist letter to one manufacturer. The agency ordered a review in October following intervention from the White House.

Neither the ATF nor the White House responded to a request for comment.

The notice said the agency plans to waive the $200 tax for those registering the affected firearms during a grace period to be announced later. The public has two weeks to offer comment on the ATF notice before it goes into effect.
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Yeah, sure, she's a crazy right wing gun nut deplorable (with no court documented valid evidence, etc.), but... I like her anyway. (She's the owner of the restaurant in Colorado where all the waitresses open carry...).

Here she briefly talks about the attempt to secure the election by only counting the validly cast votes, and then briefly about her dedication to the Second Amendment and how she is on track to get her concealed carry permit in D.C. and will be able to open carry in the Congressional Office building. Cool. She also invited the reporters to come visit her there and ended with "I like to say that I speak loudly and carry a Glock". Could she be any further from the moron traitors we here in Hawaii have "representing" us?



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Just "reports". So far. Let's hope neither China Bidet or Whor@ss ever assume the office of the presidency.


Joe Biden Already Planning Executive Orders On Gun Control

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/report-joe-biden-already-planning-executive-orders-gun-control/

Joe Biden has not even been certified as the winner of the 2020 election yet, but is already reportedly crafting new measures for gun control.

And it should come as no surprise that he is not even planning legislation to send to America’s representatives but rather is planning to take steps through executive action.

As usual, Democrats just can’t wait to take rights away from law abiding citizens.

The Washington Examiner reports:

Gun control first for Biden executive orders

Joe Biden plans to move quickly against guns, adding the issue to his list of first executive orders, according to his top policy aide.

Stef Feldman, the national policy director of Biden’s presidential campaign, included the Democrat’s gun plan in a list of initial executive actions set to be unleashed after Inauguration Day.

Speaking in a Zoom briefing hosted by Georgetown University’s Institute of Politics and Public Service, she said that Biden is planning to “make big, bold changes through executive action, not just on policing and climate like we talked about previously, but in healthcare and education on gun violence, on a range of issues.”

She added that “there’s really a lot you can do through guidance and executive action.”

It is expected that Biden will use executive orders, especially if the Democrats don’t win both Georgia special Senate elections.


Funny. This never really came up during the debates, did it? Do you think that was a coincidence?



Biden is even being pressured by the left to create a cabinet position dedicated to gun control.

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