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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: Kingkeoni on September 04, 2011, 06:59:34 PM
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If you could only have one gun and it had to last you forever, without ever breaking.
Which gun would you choose?
Just for fun, let's say you could not ever fix it if it broke.
Which handgun do you think is the most durable and rugged one made?
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My vote goes to the Ruger GP100
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I don't have enough experience with firearms to give any sort of authoritative answer, but I've never heard anyone say anything about Glocks not being durable.
Threw My Glock out of an Airplane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6i3dtytmBA#)
Glock 21 Buried 2 years then 500rd test fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5Kcs4dzro#)
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glock FTW!
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Ruger Security-Six.
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Shoots, I wanna say Glock but I'm thinking some kind of revolver would be better.....
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Everybody always says Glock. Either that or 1911. I don't own either, and for my own personal use, my next pistol is going to be a Springfield Arms XDM; which is pretty much a Glock clone with a few extra things I like. All that said, I've got to say that the 1911 faithful have one thing up on the Glock faithful: Proven results. You can come up with whatever test you want, bury it on an asteroid, stuff the bore with goldfish scales, yada, yada, yada; all you're really trying to do is replicate all the crap the 1911 has spent the last 100 years powering it's way through. (You might say....the 1911 powers through that shit with rage? :rofl: Still makes me laugh!) Mr. Browning's venerable old design has slogged through swamps, swam around with frogmen doing beach recon, jumped out of airplanes, and gone without a proper cleaning for months on end-but for a hundred years now, it's come out of the holster, rusty and ugly and looking like hell, and killed that dirty Communist when one of our boys really needed it. It doesn't mind a nice scrub with some Hoppe's or Breakfree CLP from time to time, but all a good 1911 really needs is a quick dunk in the diesel fuel tank, and maybe a dab or two of used motor oil here and there. Durability? If you're willing to put up with some cosmetic defects, you can still find a 1911 that stormed Normandy, or helped hoist the flag on Iwo Jima, and that baby'll still shoot.
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Probably the Makarov. FWIW, the C96 and the Luger are both more rugged than any Browning design, even simplest of the bunch, the Tokarev
Ever see a Glock blow up? I have...twice..
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I would say glock.
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Ever see a Glock blow up? I have...twice..
that's because it's the most common handgun. It's like asking a mechanic, "you ever see a Camry with problems?"
i'm not say'n, i'm jus say'n :D
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Probably the Makarov. FWIW, the C96 and the Luger are both more rugged than any Browning design, even simplest of the bunch, the Tokarev
Ever see a Glock blow up? I have...twice..
Any caliber of gun will blow up if it has too hot a reload in it.
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Factory ammo in the Glocks. FWIW, both times, it was steel cased Wolf .40, which a lot of (fragile :-[) pistols don't like. The Makarov was designed to eat steel cases.
1911s are far more common at our range, and I've never seen one of those blow up.
.40 cal Glocks cycle too fast and leave a tadpole shaped indent on the primer, as well as levering the firing pin against it's track. The (square) firing pin peens a groove on the inside of the slide, and eventually, the firing pin gets stuck, protruding. The pistol then fires as it closes, out of battery. 9mm and .45 Glocks don't seem to have this problem, just .40s shoehorned into a 9mm frame.
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Factory ammo in the Glocks. FWIW, both times, it was steel cased Wolf .40, which a lot of (fragile :-[) pistols don't like. The Makarov was designed to eat steel cases.
1911s are far more common at our range, and I've never seen one of those blow up.
.40 cal Glocks cycle too fast and leave a tadpole shaped indent on the primer, as well as levering the firing pin against it's track. The (square) firing pin peens a groove on the inside of the slide, and eventually, the firing pin gets stuck, protruding. The pistol then fires as it closes, out of battery. 9mm and .45 Glocks don't seem to have this problem, just .40s shoehorned into a 9mm frame.
:o My buddy's got a Glock in 40-cal!
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Factory ammo in the Glocks. FWIW, both times, it was steel cased Wolf .40, which a lot of (fragile :-[) pistols don't like. The Makarov was designed to eat steel cases.
1911s are far more common at our range, and I've never seen one of those blow up.
.40 cal Glocks cycle too fast and leave a tadpole shaped indent on the primer, as well as levering the firing pin against it's track. The (square) firing pin peens a groove on the inside of the slide, and eventually, the firing pin gets stuck, protruding. The pistol then fires as it closes, out of battery. 9mm and .45 Glocks don't seem to have this problem, just .40s shoehorned into a 9mm frame.
:o My buddy's got a Glock in 40-cal!
When I'm ready for a self defense gun, it was going to be a Glock 23 (.40 cal compact). I didn't know it had this problem.
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I hear people cackling all the time about seeing certain guns blow up.
Once someone posted that they saw a certain rifle blow up and swore that they had pictures to prove it.
Well, the manufacturer of the firearm came on the forum and made a "put up or shut up" challenge to the person that posted the lie.
Anyway, the person that said it could NOT back up their BS.
I own a Glock 22 .40S&W that has over 20,000 rounds through it. No blow ups yet.
I think people like to say things that they heard from a guy who swears that he heard that some guy said that he saw a guy who he used to know tell a guy that he saw a Glock blow up.
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I took one of the Glocks in question apart at the range (the other one had to go back to the factory as it came off the line; the slide was stuck fast) and saw the groove in the firing pin track. Take yours apart an look; you might be surprised.
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+1 for the makarov. A case failure will not blow out the extractor as it would with a walther. The pistol was designed to handle abuse. The makarovs are not delicate and are nearly idiot proof, a common trait among combloc fire arms. The Ruger mk1 is another very durable pistol. I am the third owner of a mark 1 pistol since 1980. Thousands of rounds have been sent down the barrel since then. No part has ever broken. It is still very accurate.
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I took one of the Glocks in question apart at the range (the other one had to go back to the factory as it came off the line; the slide was stuck fast) and saw the groove in the firing pin track. Take yours apart an look; you might be surprised.
Someone on Youtube put a .40 S&W barrel in a Glock 32 (.357 SIG) and reports that it shoots better than the Glock 23 (.40 S&W).
GLOCK 23 FIRST SHOTS (G32 w/G23 Barrel Conversion) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejhYr_g7NA#ws)
Bonus. The .357 SIG magazine accepts .40 S&W rounds and vice versa!
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I hear people cackling all the time about seeing certain guns blow up.
Once someone posted that they saw a certain rifle blow up and swore that they had pictures to prove it.
Well, the manufacturer of the firearm came on the forum and made a "put up or shut up" challenge to the person that posted the lie.
Anyway, the person that said it could NOT back up their BS.
I own a Glock 22 .40S&W that has over 20,000 rounds through it. No blow ups yet.
I think people like to say things that they heard from a guy who swears that he heard that some guy said that he saw a guy who he used to know tell a guy that he saw a Glock blow up.
This. I do not believe the hooplah on glocks blowing up with factory ammo. I don't have 20k through my G22 yet, but it is quickly approaching 10k, no KB, eats everything that has ever been fed to it.
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Someone on Youtube put a .40 S&W barrel in a Glock 32 (.357 SIG) and reports that it shoots better than the Glock 23 (.40 S&W).
GLOCK 23 FIRST SHOTS (G32 w/G23 Barrel Conversion) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejhYr_g7NA#ws)
Bonus. The .357 SIG magazine accepts .40 S&W rounds and vice versa!
Wait. As far as I know, the glock 23 and 32 are the exact same gun with a different barrel.
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Someone on Youtube put a .40 S&W barrel in a Glock 32 (.357 SIG) and reports that it shoots better than the Glock 23 (.40 S&W).
GLOCK 23 FIRST SHOTS (G32 w/G23 Barrel Conversion) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejhYr_g7NA#ws)
Bonus. The .357 SIG magazine accepts .40 S&W rounds and vice versa!
Wait. As far as I know, the glock 23 and 32 are the exact same gun with a different barrel.
??? I don't know. I didn't fact check the guy's claim.
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While seeing is believing, I'd never base an opinion on anything seen on youtube. I don't know the types of rounds fired, how many, or if the firearm was maintained properly etc... Seriously, any firearm can fail if mistreated/abused.
For me, I'd take a 1911 over a Glock. It's a personal preference, but I just like having a handgun with the heft to bash someones face (should it come to that).
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Ok guys, don't lynch me for this, but since there were no conditions specified (zombie hordes, SHTF, WTFIGO (what the f*ck is going on))
I'm gonna say for simplicity sake and last foreverness (is that a word?)
TC contender. Stainless of course. The frame/action is built to handle high power rifle calibers.
Unless your barrel or frame exploded, I bet you could still rig up some type of inline spring mechanism that would strike the firing pin if the internal action took a dump.
done and done
I'm all about KISS
Pit
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Ok guys, don't lynch me for this, but since there were no conditions specified (zombie hordes, SHTF, WTFIGO (what the f*ck is going on))
I'm gonna say for simplicity sake and last foreverness (is that a word?)
TC contender. Stainless of course. The frame/action is built to handle high power rifle calibers.
Unless your barrel or frame exploded, I bet you could still rig up some type of inline spring mechanism that would strike the firing pin if the internal action took a dump.
done and done
I'm all about KISS
Pit
You're pretty outside the box on that, but I think you're right. I am impressed, sir. The Contender wins! /thread
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If you could only have one gun and it had to last you forever, without ever breaking.
Which gun would you choose?
Just for fun, let's say you could not ever fix it if it broke.
Which handgun do you think is the most durable and rugged one made?
Ok guys, don't lynch me for this, but since there were no conditions specified (zombie hordes, SHTF, WTFIGO (what the f*ck is going on))
I'm gonna say for simplicity sake and last foreverness (is that a word?)
TC contender. Stainless of course. The frame/action is built to handle high power rifle calibers.
Unless your barrel or frame exploded, I bet you could still rig up some type of inline spring mechanism that would strike the firing pin if the internal action took a dump.
done and done
I'm all about KISS
Pit
Doesn't meet the original intent of the poll, but it was on my list and right near the top (in .223 for ammo availability). I would agree that TC are pretty rugged.
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Sorry,
I was looking at it from the idea that you would not be able to fix it with "correct" parts or to normal working condition. if i didn't have parts availability that would have been my back up plan.
Pit
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Sorry,
I was looking at it from the idea that you would not be able to fix it with "correct" parts. As in two centuries from now you wouldn't have parts availability.
Pit
No need to apologize. The best thing I could think of was a single shot rifle or shotgun (maybe a dbl brrl). Most autos are complex.
After much thought, I am going to have to go with my Glock. Hasn't failed once in about 8k on my 22 and 10k on another.
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Just about any .357 sig chambered gun on the market can accept a .40 barrel and function with the same mags. Ive seen Glock frame rails fail under normal use with lvl 3 retention (twist release) holsters, which is why a Glock isnt my first pic for this scenario. I would probably take a 9mm hi power or Sig.
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To throw my hat into "guns blowing up" arena, youtube videos are highly suspect. I remember a Taurus video on the Raging Bull 500 where the owner shows it blowing up by rigging it to a stand and firing with a string. He later posted that he intentionally made it blow up by blocking/plugging the barrel; there were also comments on the stand's effects on a revolver etc.
I too have read the reports of Glocks blowing up but seeing is believing for the most part. As someone mentioned, Glocks are among the most common pistols out there, you are bound to have people who hate them and will go internet-commando and begin smearing the company's name and quality.
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Any gun will blow up provided the ammunition is loaded hot. Specific manufacturers have even had recalls due to overpressure. Additionally, the reason why a Glock would be more susceptible to KB's is due to an unsupported chamber and being able to fire "slightly out of battery." Change your barrel to a Barsto if you feel so inclined but most issues are related to ammo.
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I have over ~25K rounds through my Sig P226 that I bought while stationed in Germany. Though it still sees range time (I don't believe in safe queens), my go to would be my P228. All of my Sigs are German made.
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Good lord, 25,000 rounds!!!!
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Good lord, 25,000 rounds!!!!
Over 20~ years.