CA Background Check to Buy Ammo (Read 4082 times)

changemyoil66

CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« on: June 26, 2019, 10:24:58 AM »
https://ktla.com/2019/06/25/new-california-initiative-will-require-background-checks-for-ammo-purchases/

Effective 7/1.  $1 per check, that's if their website is working.  Like how it worked when people had to register their "assault rifles".

If you are not in the system because you bought stuff prior to 2014, then it's a $19 fee per check and only good for 30 days.  Check could take a few days to be completed.

The kicker, CA also wants ammo buyers to prove they're in the country legally if their drivers license has "federal limits apply" on it.  Ain't that some shit?

It's not like ammo can be bought across state lines, like if CA was surrounded by an ocean like HI.

Ammo sales increased by 300%.  Guess gotta also fill all those grandfathered mags.

6716J

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2019, 10:34:06 AM »
Wait until the f@cknuts in Carson City try to mandate that only Nevada residents can buy ammo. Because who would ever think about going to Vegas for a weekend and just happen to buy a box or even 10 cases of ammo?

Just add the words "firearms & ammunition" to the sign

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Mdotweber

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2019, 12:05:52 PM »
There were countless comments from CA residents who did not even know this was coming. That is what happens when you become complacent, in reality voicing your concerns and voting doesn't seem to do much either. Our elected officials know what's best for us dummies, even if their laws aren't based upon one iota of logic.
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

changemyoil66

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2019, 12:19:45 PM »
It was a similar law like the FFL requirement on private gun transfers NV had.  It passed on a ballot vote by the people.  But this was back in 2016 and wasn't signed until recently. 

zippz

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2019, 12:23:46 PM »
I imagine this will come up here in the next session.
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changemyoil66

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2019, 12:25:40 PM »
I imagine this will come up here in the next session.

I was surprised that the featureless thing wasn't proposed yet.  But I guess we have no incentive since all guns are registered.  Instead they had a ban on most semi-autos.

punaperson

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2019, 12:32:51 PM »
To clarify a bit on the "legal ID" that must be presented when buying ammo: The problem exists because California now issues drivers licenses to illegal aliens, thus just presenting a drivers license no longer fulfills the requirement that the purchaser be a citizen or legal resident alien. Thus people now have to present a valid passport or similar ID. I'm sure we'll see a significant decrease in California crime/rates because of this requirement. [/sarc] Of course even if crime goes up, the argument is that it would have gone up more were it not for this law... and the 50 other laws that impose various levels of financial and time burdens on prospective firearms owners. I heard the example yesterday (the last day, it turns out, of Cam and Company on NRA-TV) that people that live in Needles, and are literally 4 minutes from the Nevada border and places to buy ammo there (which is now illegal for California residents, unless they arrange to have it shipped to their local FFL where they undergo the background check), must drive 100 miles to the nearest FFL to legally buy ammo! (they'd have to drive that far anyway if they had is shipped from a nearby Nevada gun store or retailer like Walmart, etc.) I'd say "insane", except it's not insane at all, it's intentional socialist fascist incrementalism at work.

punaperson

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2019, 12:37:04 PM »
I was surprised that the featureless thing wasn't proposed yet.  But I guess we have no incentive since all guns are registered.  Instead they had a ban on most semi-autos.
Featureless, schmeatureless... Fuck, man, they had a resolution to repeal the Second Amendment!

2ahavvaii

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2019, 02:21:03 PM »
illegals can vote, drive, etc..... but it will require a background check to exercise a Constitutionally guaranteed right.  insane

groveler

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2019, 04:30:48 PM »
I was surprised that the featureless thing wasn't proposed yet.  But I guess we have no incentive since all guns are registered.  Instead they had a ban on most semi-autos.
All guns in Hawaii are registered with the county and state.
You goody boys impress the heck out of me!
I feel so safe!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2019, 05:44:02 PM »
All guns in Hawaii are registered with the county and state.
You goody boys impress the heck out of me!
I feel so safe!

Lots of us have jobs that require a security clearance, to be bonded or to maintain a higher standard of personal integrity -- such as teacher or medical care staff.

The risk of losing one's livelihood is real should one be caught ignoring firearm laws and charged with a felony.

Your diatribe against people following the law is getting old.   :wacko:

"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

2ahavvaii

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 09:46:09 AM »
Lots of us have jobs that require a security clearance, to be bonded or to maintain a higher standard of personal integrity -- such as teacher or medical care staff.

The risk of losing one's livelihood is real should one be caught ignoring firearm laws and charged with a felony.

Your diatribe against people following the law is getting old.   :wacko:

agreed.  and some of us have positions with relatively high or high profiles, and have a lot to lose, not to mention making the news.

groveler

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2019, 10:35:21 AM »
Lots of us have jobs that require a security clearance, to be bonded or to maintain a higher standard of personal integrity -- such as teacher or medical care staff.

The risk of losing one's livelihood is real should one be caught ignoring firearm laws and charged with a felony.

Your diatribe against people following the law is getting old.   :wacko:
Noted.
I do not violate any constitutional Federal, state, or local laws.
Hawaii laws irritate me to no end.
The German SS was lawful. The Holodomor was legal,
the cultural revolution was legal. Locking up American Japanese in
camps was lawful.
I will refrain from insulting law obedient people such as myself
in the future,  however we deserve to be insulted, as we do not
have the" Nuts" to resist what we know is wrong.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2019, 01:52:29 PM »
Noted.
I do not violate any constitutional Federal, state, or local laws.
Hawaii laws irritate me to no end.
The German SS was lawful. The Holodomor was legal,
the cultural revolution was legal. Locking up American Japanese in
camps was lawful.
I will refrain from insulting law obedient people such as myself
in the future,  however we deserve to be insulted, as we do not
have the" Nuts" to resist what we know is wrong.

Equating Nazi soldiers following orders to commit humanitarian atrocities and genocide with registering firearms is laughable.

Part of what the German military did, including the SS, was unlawful, as was proven in Nuremberg, Germany.  They were part of a tyrannical government.  Lots of Germans were executed for their crimes.

Your other two examples are similar to the SS "analogy".  Both were initiated by Socialist/Communist government leaders, not acts taken by the public mandated by law.

The US is not following Socialist, Communist or Nazi Regime ideologies, and the laws you are "irritated" by don't rise to the level of committing government-sanctioned murder.

Your attempts to make your point lack truth and logic.

« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 02:08:05 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

groveler

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2019, 09:04:52 AM »
Equating Nazi soldiers following orders to commit humanitarian atrocities and genocide with registering firearms is laughable.

Part of what the German military did, including the SS, was unlawful, as was proven in Nuremberg, Germany.  They were part of a tyrannical government.  Lots of Germans were executed for their crimes.

Your other two examples are similar to the SS "analogy".  Both were initiated by Socialist/Communist government leaders, not acts taken by the public mandated by law.

The US is not following Socialist, Communist or Nazi Regime ideologies, and the laws you are "irritated" by don't rise to the level of committing government-sanctioned murder.

Your attempts to make your point lack truth and logic.
"The US is not following Socialist, Communist or Nazi Regime ideologies, and the laws you are "irritated" by don't rise to the level of committing government-sanctioned murder."

I very strongly disagree with you.
Blind law obedience is historically,
a bad thing.  Even the American
military teaches
that if something you are ordered to do
seems to be a "crime", you should
disobey that order.
More Americans should be taught that concept.

Thanks for your thoughtful response!

changemyoil66

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2019, 09:25:41 AM »
To me when I refer to Nazis following orders and police following orders is meant as a figure of speech.  There are some who refused, but a lot didn't.  Because a lot did refuse orders then over 1,000,000 Jews could not have been exterminated.  So enough had to "follow orders" to accomplish that great number.  I did read some justification from those who did not agree was either follow orders, or go to the Russian front which was a death sentence.

But if you think about it, first came the confiscation of firearms of Jews.  Again, under orders.  Then the registration and taking of other property, then forced into districts.  Then forced into camps.  But it all started somewhere.

So do I see the USA exterminating people, no I don't.  But if guns get taken away, then the gov can do what ever they want without worrying about anyone bucking the system.  Look at the Bundy ranch in OR as a recent example.  His friends all showed up armed which kept the gov away.  He was later acquitted of all charges.  So had fellow ranchers not shown up armed, they would have either did a WACO and stormed his home and a shoot out may have happened or stormed his home and he got no media attention and might have lost his case in court.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2019, 09:34:38 AM »
"The US is not following Socialist, Communist or Nazi Regime ideologies, and the laws you are "irritated" by don't rise to the level of committing government-sanctioned murder."

I very strongly disagree with you.
Blind law obedience is historically,
a bad thing.  Even the American
military teaches
that if something you are ordered to do
seems to be a "crime", you should
disobey that order.
More Americans should be taught that concept.

Thanks for your thoughtful response!

Blind obedience is an opinion -- your opinion -- but not supported by facts.

There are plenty of people fighting the laws and pushing back on bad proposals.

To follow existing law is not being blind followers.  It's following existing law, as we do in all aspects of our lives.

We have to work to change the laws.  In the meantime, you're free to (1) continue following the laws until they are changed/repealed, or (2) adopt a civil disobedience mindset, picking only the laws you agree with to follow.

The choice and consequences are all yours. 

Quote
that if something you are ordered to do
seems to be a "crime", you should
disobey that order.

Show me how following gun registration laws of the state is a criminal act.

The military members you used as examples would have been shot for disobeying their superiors.  Not exactly a consequence everyone is willing to accept for refusing to follow orders they think are illegal.


You continue to conflate an illegal act of obeying military orders with a civilian following laws and ordinances passed by bodies of legislators and city council members.  Obviously apples and oranges.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2019, 09:45:39 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

groveler

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2019, 02:13:40 PM »
Blind obedience is an opinion -- your opinion -- but not supported by facts.

There are plenty of people fighting the laws and pushing back on bad proposals.

To follow existing law is not being blind followers.  It's following existing law, as we do in all aspects of our lives.

We have to work to change the laws.  In the meantime, you're free to (1) continue following the laws until they are changed/repealed, or (2) adopt a civil disobedience mindset, picking only the laws you agree with to follow.

The choice and consequences are all yours. 

Show me how following gun registration laws of the state is a criminal act.

The military members you used as examples would have been shot for disobeying their superiors.  Not exactly a consequence everyone is willing to accept for refusing to follow orders they think are illegal.


You continue to conflate an illegal act of obeying military orders with a civilian following laws and ordinances passed by bodies of legislators and city council members.  Obviously apples and oranges.
I despise Hawaii Democrats, cops and Hawaii gun Laws.
I'm not going to change your mind.
So I give up.
Have a good weekend.
Enjoy your target practice with
the governments permission.
My neighbors shoot full auto
whenever they please.
My Hawaii is different from yours.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2019, 05:33:54 PM »
I despise Hawaii Democrats, cops and Hawaii gun Laws.
I'm not going to change your mind.
So I give up.
Have a good weekend.
Enjoy your target practice with
the governments permission.
My neighbors shoot full auto
whenever they please.
My Hawaii is different from yours.

If I were you, instead of lecturing us on why we're stupid for following the law, just drop the schtick.  It's even more stupid to make comments on a public forum that imply or state you're breaking the law.  Disclaimers that you follow the laws afterward are transparently insincere after posting claims and opinions that the laws should be ignored.

You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't give you the right to demean everyone on here who has a more rational opinion.

You can also stop teasing us with "I'll probably be banned for this".  it's just cruel to give us hope.   :rofl:
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

groveler

Re: CA Background Check to Buy Ammo
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2019, 10:52:26 AM »
If I were you, instead of lecturing us on why we're stupid for following the law, just drop the schtick.  It's even more stupid to make comments on a public forum that imply or state you're breaking the law.  Disclaimers that you follow the laws afterward are transparently insincere after posting claims and opinions that the laws should be ignored.

You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't give you the right to demean everyone on here who has a more rational opinion.

You can also stop teasing us with "I'll probably be banned for this".  it's just cruel to give us hope.   :rofl:
I really do like your comments.
I do follow the laws of Hawaii, but have figured
out a way around some of them.  Been here nearly twenty years
and learned a thing or two, I even worked with a police
chief that was fired for corruption.
I like to poke at people that like and trust police.
That is probably not very honest,
since my BIL is a Federal cop.
As for bans that is for weak people that can't stand
a little discussion.