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changemyoil66

Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« on: January 06, 2023, 11:29:36 AM »
To post all HI related CCW things.  Things like holster questions, gun questions, no guns allowed area questions, approved CCW instructor review, etc...Basically, anything besides specific law questions.  Specific law related questions should be it's own thread in the "Legal" section since it's important enough to have it's own thread.
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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2023, 11:36:59 AM »
I'll start.  So I've carried in Vegas for years when on vacation.  Which would mean at most 2 weeks at a time, but mostly 1 week.  So now that CCW is legal here, there are other factors that I may need to tweek for comfort and other areas.  Because in Vegas, I just made due cause it's only for a week.

With that being said, my biggest issue right now is polo shirt tucked into slacks and AIWB.  I figured out that I want to use NeoMag Alias as 1 of the clips.  This set up really hides the way the clip on the holster hides on the belt.

https://theneomag.com/shop/alias/

Now the issue is do I want to use a sidecar type or just a regular holster.  Active Self Protection and many others have reviewed thousands of self defense related videos and they have never seen anyone have to reload.  The average amount of ammo used is 8rds IIRC.  So a free state with no handgun mag limit still doesn't apply.  So with that being said, I'm thinking of dropping the side car cause that's 1 less item on the AIWB.  And if anything, keep a spare mag in my pocket.  NeoMag also makes  a mag clip, but I don't show clips on my pockets either.

What I don't want to do is buy 4 holsters to figure it out.  Buy once, cry once.  And I don't want to run a PHLster set up.
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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2023, 11:41:10 AM »
Figured out how to workout while CCWing.  Due to HI law, I cannot keep the handgun in my gym bag that is on the ground next to me.  It has to be on ones person.  So I used a fanny pack. Just a plain Jane fanny pack big enough to fit the AIWB w/sidecar holster. 

The only thing that needs to be done is repositioning the pack depending on the exercise.  So far I did legs and for squats, I had it across my back.  Because if the pack was across my chest, the clip goes right where the bar sits.  Around the waist isn't feasable because I wear a weight belt and it would also get in the way when bending. 

For leg press, I kept it across my chest. 

PHLster has a vid of a guy squatting with their set up.  But he aint lifting no heavy ass weights, so I don't want to use that system to squat.  And they have more of people leg pressing, but again, none are lifting heavy ass weights. 

I'll keep updated as I hit more body groups.  So basically, I'm AIWB when I get to the gym and go to the restroom and put in fanny pack. Then when I leave, AIWB again.
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drck1000

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2023, 11:45:26 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 11:36:59 AM
SNIP

Now the issue is do I want to use a sidecar type or just a regular holster.  Active Self Protection and many others have reviewed thousands of self defense related videos and they have never seen anyone have to reload.  The average amount of ammo used is 8rds IIRC.  So a free state with no handgun mag limit still doesn't apply.  So with that being said, I'm thinking of dropping the side car cause that's 1 less item on the AIWB.  And if anything, keep a spare mag in my pocket.  NeoMag also makes  a mag clip, but I don't show clips on my pockets either.

Be careful on the context of the data and discussion on conclusions being made based on those studies. . .
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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2023, 12:51:09 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on January 06, 2023, 11:45:26 AM
Be careful on the context of the data and discussion on conclusions being made based on those studies. . .

Elijah Dickens would have went black on ammo. 10 shots and 40 yards.  But no vid of this engagement.
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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2023, 12:52:27 PM »
On another event, taking a dump really is inconvenient now.  I mean even in Vegas it was, so nothing new. But 1 week vs. for the rest of my life.  And being on a high protein diet, I crap 3x a day.  Getting all strapped in tightly is a PITA.  But a sacrifice for safety and freedom.
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Rocky

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2023, 01:29:13 PM »
I'll throw in my $0.02. just on nomenclature

Arizona calls it "Carry Concealed Weapons" (CWP)
Utah calls it "Concealed Firearms Permit (CFP)
Hawaii calls it "License To Carry" (LTC)
Not going to go thru all of the other states.

The major difference of the above 3 mentioned is that AZ and UT permits allow both open and concealed while Hawaii has a distinct permitting process between open and concealed.
The Hawaii LTC license between open and concealed have different "conditions".
« Last Edit: January 07, 2023, 06:59:57 PM by Rocky »
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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2023, 01:36:59 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on January 06, 2023, 01:29:13 PM

The Hawaii LTC license between open and concealed have different "conditions".

It also says "civilian".  So if active HPD, would it not state civilian?  I doubt there is any HPD who will test this.
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Rocky

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2023, 01:47:35 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 01:36:59 PM
It also says "civilian".  So if active HPD, would it not state civilian?  I doubt there is any HPD who will test this.

   Do not understand what you mean here.
What and where says civilian and what does that have to do with LTC vs CCW ?

  As mentioned, just correcting nomenclature.
Besides, active HPD is required to carry off duty, no need permit
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RSN172

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2023, 02:27:41 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on January 06, 2023, 01:29:13 PM
I'll throw in my $0.02. just on nomenclature

Arizona calls it "Carry Concealed Weapons" (CCW)
Utah calls it "Concealed Firearms Permit (CFP)
Hawaii calls it "License To Carry" (LTC)

My AZ permit says CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT not Carry Concealed Weapons.
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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2023, 03:58:37 PM »


Quote from: Rocky on January 06, 2023, 01:47:35 PM
   Do not understand what you mean here.
What and where says civilian and what does that have to do with LTC vs CCW ?

  As mentioned, just correcting nomenclature.
Besides, active HPD is required to carry off duty, no need permit

U were pointing out what other states call their permits. So i pointed out oahu's one also says civilian. My NV doesnt say that. So i was wondering in what situation would that word change.

I have also seen the HPD recruit ccw permit that they are issued. So they get an actual card.

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Xavierbaker

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2023, 05:04:44 PM »
I prefer the sidecar with the spare mag, no I most likely won’t need more then a few rounds in a self defense situation…but it doesn’t hurt to have it just in case there is a rare incident of a malfunction within the magazine itself…then it would be beneficial to have that spare mag. That’s my feelings on why I like the sidecar better. Not everyone will agree and that’s why we all have the ability to choose what we like.


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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2023, 04:02:29 PM »
Giving the wedge a try.

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macsak

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2023, 04:37:44 PM »
i'd rather not know where you stick the wedge...

Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 07, 2023, 04:02:29 PM
Giving the wedge a try.

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Xavierbaker

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2023, 04:45:28 PM »
Lmk how that wedge goes, may consider trying it


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changemyoil66

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2023, 06:54:30 PM »
Quote from: macsak on January 07, 2023, 04:37:44 PM
i'd rather not know where you stick the wedge...
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Rocky

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2023, 06:58:05 PM »
Quote from: RSN172 on January 06, 2023, 02:27:41 PM
My AZ permit says CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT not Carry Concealed Weapons.
I stand corrected, ty
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2023, 07:07:31 PM »
This list should cover all the states' nomenclature:

CCW – Concealed Carry Weapon
CCP – Concealed Carry Pistol
CCP – Concealed Carry Permit
CCL – Concealed Carry License
CPL – Concealed Pistol License
CHP – Concealed Handgun Permit
CHL – Concealed Handgun License
CWP – Concealed Weapons Permit
LTC – License To Carry
LTCF – License to Carry Firearm

States adopt various names often because the carry laws include or exclude certain types of concealed weapons. 

Example: In some jurisdictions, if the permit says Concealed Handgun Permit, it is likely illegal to carry a fixed blade knife, a Taser or chemical spray.  Those which specify Concealed Weapons may allow for one or more of those non-firearm weapons, too.

Until we get national reciprocity using a national standard for concealed carry, it'll continue to be a tangled mess.
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Rocky

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2023, 07:07:46 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2023, 03:58:37 PM

U were pointing out what other states call their permits. So i pointed out oahu's one also says civilian. My NV doesnt say that. So i was wondering in what situation would that word change.

I guess it would change for "armed guard" as stated.

I have also seen the HPD recruit ccw permit that they are issued. So they get an actual card.

As recruits but do grads get a card also ?

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drck1000

Re: Official Hawaii CCW Thread
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2023, 08:14:01 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on January 07, 2023, 04:02:29 PM
Giving the wedge a try.

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