Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism (Read 4696 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2022, 10:01:21 PM »
You think the CIA is out to get you?

Well they do control the media and give people like you your worst ideas, so yeah.
“Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you figure it out for yourselves.”

macsak

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2022, 10:13:52 PM »
You are the working class, you are being exploited and you don't even realize it.

cool story, bro...

changemyoil66

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2022, 10:16:00 PM »
You are the working class, you are being exploited and you don't even realize it.
So u know what i do? What if i own a hospital or have millions to pay cash for treatment?

#UnderSiege2assumptionsquote

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changemyoil66

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2022, 10:17:31 PM »
If you had a child born that required 3 million dollars in medical bills to keep alive and now is no longer eligible for health insurance resulting in your medical bankruptcy and loss of your business and home.. you would be singing a different tune.
#wantssocialisthealthcareandneverexpediencedit

All the people i met in person who have/had free healthcare said it sucks.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2022, 10:17:56 PM »
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html

Socialism phobia: a condition that leaves sufferers unaware that the United States has enjoyed a capitalistic-socialistic form of government since before they were born. In the more severe cases of
socialism phobia, those saddled with the disorder have been observed, at the mention of the sword, to fly to their basement safe rooms where for hours they warily peer from behind floor-to-ceiling crates of survival rations until lured out by family members’ announcements that Tucker Carlson is coming on.

Socialism phobia is, in part, based on misunderstanding of socialism to be sure however it is still rooted in rational and justifiable reasons to fear socialism.

Bottom line: Anyone who says socialism bad or socialism good clearly doesn't show enough comprehension of the concept of socialism to take seriously. Like any other social structure it exists on a specturm and doesn't fit neatly in any single box.

hvybarrels

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2022, 10:40:23 PM »
Anyone who says socialism bad or socialism good clearly doesn't show enough comprehension of the concept of socialism to take seriously. Like any other social structure it exists on a specturm and doesn't fit neatly in any single box.

Usualy when people talk about socialism they aren’t referring to fire departments or universal healthcare, but a system of government that will fill mass graves with the bodies of anyone who ever dared to disagree with them.
“Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you figure it out for yourselves.”

eyeeatingfish

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2022, 10:47:50 PM »
Usualy when people talk about socialism they aren’t referring to fire departments or universal healthcare, but a system of government that will fill mass graves with the bodies of anyone who ever dared to disagree with them.

Thats part of the problem though, speaking of a broad subject through the lens of a narrow slice of that subject.

hvybarrels

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2022, 11:08:10 PM »
Thats part of the problem though, speaking of a broad subject through the lens of a narrow slice of that subject.

People who talk about how wonderful socialism is have very definite goals.

Nobody is going to let a rapist get away with it just because they insist on calling it a "struggle snuggle".
“Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you figure it out for yourselves.”

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2022, 11:14:39 PM »
If you had a child born that required 3 million dollars in medical bills to keep alive and now is no longer eligible for health insurance resulting in your medical bankruptcy and loss of your business and home.. you would be singing a different tune.

Yeah ... no.

Tax dollars are not collected to provide charitable services.  If they were, we'd be paying for a never-ending collection of charities getting free money whether the people paying for them agreed with those charities' activities or not.

Allowing me to donate to the person who needs $3M in medical procedures is charity.  Government forcing me to pay for someone else's $3M medical needs is theft.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

hvybarrels

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2022, 11:25:01 PM »
Yeah ... no.

Tax dollars are not collected to provide charitable services.  If they were, we'd be paying for a never-ending collection of charities getting free money whether the people paying for them agreed with those charities' activities or not.

Allowing me to donate to the person who needs $3M in medical procedures is charity.  Government forcing me to pay for someone else's $3M medical needs is theft.

There's also a reason that procedure costs $3M which is the industry controls the government and uses them to create monopolies, which means for all intents and purposes the industry IS the government, which is a fancy way of saying the means of production are owned by the state.

If you want to complain about it you can always send a letter to the editor of a newspaper owned by the health insurance parent company or post it on social media they advertise with... oh wait... never mind.

No need to wish for Communism. We already have the "free market" version, along with the most expensive healthcare with the worst outcomes in the industrialized world.
“Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you figure it out for yourselves.”

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2022, 11:48:44 PM »
There's also a reason that procedure costs $3M which is the industry controls the government and uses them to create monopolies, which means for all intents and purposes the industry IS the government, which is a fancy way of saying the means of production are owned by the state.

If you want to complain about it you can always send a letter to the editor of a newspaper owned by the health insurance parent company or post it on social media they advertise with... oh wait... never mind.

No need to wish for Communism. We already have the "free market" version, along with the most expensive healthcare with the worst outcomes in the industrialized world.

Yes, that's the flip side of this "what if" coin.

When gov't subsidizes services like healthcare, costs go up.  Look at how far college tuitions have risen due to easy money subsidized by federal student loans.

The market sets prices for goods and services based on what buyers are WILLING AND ABLE to pay.  Gov't subsidies makes us able to pay more, even though that money may had to be repaid via loan payments or taxes.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

eyeeatingfish

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2022, 01:21:19 PM »
People who talk about how wonderful socialism is have very definite goals.

Nobody is going to let a rapist get away with it just because they insist on calling it a "struggle snuggle".

I think you assume too much in terms of their intentions or goals.

Not saying there aren't people who want full socialism but there are many who, I think, just want a few more social services (socialistic programs)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2022, 07:06:33 PM »
I think you assume too much in terms of their intentions or goals.

Not saying there aren't people who want full socialism but there are many who, I think, just want a few more social services (socialistic programs)

You've obviously not bothered to read the Democratic Socialist's website.  You need to take your time going through their objectives.  Like where they say they are not proponents of state control over the means of production ...... yet.

They are trying to get a foot in the door -- just enough so it doesn't close on them.  Once they achieve control using vague and dishonest narratives, they will do what all Socialist governments in the past have done:  implement whatever austere measures they want, get wealthy on the backs of others, and attempt to destroy anyone who tries to oppose them.

https://www.dsausa.org/
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

aieahound

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2022, 10:19:09 PM »
 :wtf:

It’s like diarrhea.
Folks here Can’t not hold it.

robtmc

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2022, 08:16:40 PM »
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2022, 03:37:33 PM »
You've obviously not bothered to read the Democratic Socialist's website.  You need to take your time going through their objectives.  Like where they say they are not proponents of state control over the means of production ...... yet.

They are trying to get a foot in the door -- just enough so it doesn't close on them.  Once they achieve control using vague and dishonest narratives, they will do what all Socialist governments in the past have done:  implement whatever austere measures they want, get wealthy on the backs of others, and attempt to destroy anyone who tries to oppose them.

https://www.dsausa.org/

We weren't discussing any specific group just a general ideology. Hence my comment about broad statements.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2022, 04:41:16 PM »
We weren't discussing any specific group just a general ideology. Hence my comment about broad statements.

That GROUP defined the IDEOLOGY you wanted to discuss.  But, deflection is a useful form of ignoring the topic when you know you're wrong.

Spin it how you wish, but facts are facts.  The website is the definitive source.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

mrgaf

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2022, 07:21:31 PM »
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/columnists/joseph-wyatt-much-of-america-runs-on-socialistic-capitalism-opinion/article_868b4e43-b3ff-56a6-88d5-833fdf06db6b.html

Socialism phobia: a condition that leaves sufferers unaware that the United States has enjoyed a capitalistic-socialistic form of government since before they were born. In the more severe cases of
socialism phobia, those saddled with the disorder have been observed, at the mention of the sword, to fly to their basement safe rooms where for hours they warily peer from behind floor-to-ceiling crates of survival rations until lured out by family members’ announcements that Tucker Carlson is coming on.

Most of your posts run on hot air interlaced with a heaping portion of methane! :D
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2022, 11:04:54 PM »
That GROUP defined the IDEOLOGY you wanted to discuss.  But, deflection is a useful form of ignoring the topic when you know you're wrong.

Spin it how you wish, but facts are facts.  The website is the definitive source.

What part of
"We weren't discussing any specific group just a general ideology."
didn't you get?

groveler

Re: Much of America runs on socialistic capitalism
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2022, 06:52:11 AM »
I spent most of my working life as an engineer.
My job was to make complex things simple and they work.
at the lowest cost, in a reasonable time frame, reliable, and maintainable.
Socialism has none of those characteristics.
Capitalism as brutal as it is has all those characteristics, along with another one that Socialism abhors.

Freedom.
 :worship: