Hunter Biden Conviction (Read 3203 times)

drck1000

Hunter Biden Conviction
« on: June 11, 2024, 08:49:41 AM »
Hunter Biden 'disappointed' by guilty verdict, Trump campaign calls gun trial a 'distraction'

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/june-11-jury-deliberation-hunter-biden-verdict

Not news, but I'm posting because I found it interesting that probably/likely grounds for appeal is that Hunter's 2a rights were violated.  My first reaction was the irony of Biden (family or otherwise) looking for 2a as a "defense" for Hunter.  Second was a more cynical, multi-dimension chess, borderline CMO tinfoil conspiracy angle that now Biden will gain support for a "by extension" pro-2a stance.

In any case, mostly keeping tabs on this to observe the circus that is politics and if/how it will impact 2a. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2024, 11:07:13 AM »
Very true, so many ways this could go.

The irony of Biden's son's case being one that increased gun rights would be great however I am skeptical if it would ever go that far. If Biden ends up pardoning his son (and if the pardon withstands a legal test) then the 2A aspect of the case may never even go that far. So for Biden to pardon his son is two birds with one stone, that is what I am putting my money on. Plus since I think Biden will end up dropping out before a second term anyway, he suffers no real blowback for pardoning his son. I think the main benefit is for  Biden to show that the justice system isn't rigged and even his own son gets charged.

I kind of doubt Hunter would face prison time anyway, 1st time offender, non-violent crime, and he can claim he was an addict at the time. I suspect he would get probation and maybe a referral to a drug treatment program.

changemyoil66

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2024, 03:32:11 PM »
Why isnt MDA or ET celebrating?

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ren

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2024, 04:25:31 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-2023-interview-son-did-nothing-wrong-resurfaces-hunters-guilty-verdict

Biden spoke with MSNBC on a variety of issues during an interview that aired on May 5, 2023. In the last seconds of the interview on "The 11th Hour with Stephanie Ruhle," Biden was asked how potential criminal charges against Hunter Biden would impact his presidency.

"First of all, my son's done nothing wrong," Biden answered. "I trust him. I have faith in him and it impacts my presidency by making me feel proud of him."
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2024, 05:06:06 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-2023-interview-son-did-nothing-wrong-resurfaces-hunters-guilty-verdict

Biden spoke with MSNBC on a variety of issues during an interview that aired on May 5, 2023. In the last seconds of the interview on "The 11th Hour with Stephanie Ruhle," Biden was asked how potential criminal charges against Hunter Biden would impact his presidency.

"First of all, my son's done nothing wrong," Biden answered. "I trust him. I have faith in him and it impacts my presidency by making me feel proud of him."


Democrat playbook:  deny, deny, then deny profusely.  If the truth comes out, claim conspiracy, political witch hunt and "will be vindicated in the end."

I never trust any politician when they say they (or a family member) "did nothing wrong" unless there's already been a thorugh and fair investigation.

If you lived through the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, you already know the truth.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

QUIETShooter

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2024, 07:04:29 PM »
Did he or did he not falsely fill out the paperwork to acquire that revolver? 

How can he and his retarded daddy claim he did nothing wrong?
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

drck1000

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2024, 07:14:36 PM »
Very true, so many ways this could go.

The irony of Biden's son's case being one that increased gun rights would be great however I am skeptical if it would ever go that far. 1) If Biden ends up pardoning his son (and if the pardon withstands a legal test) then the 2A aspect of the case may never even go that far. 2) So for Biden to pardon his son is two birds with one stone, that is what I am putting my money on. 3) Plus since I think Biden will end up dropping out before a second term anyway, he suffers no real blowback for pardoning his son. 4) I think the main benefit is for  Biden to show that the justice system isn't rigged and even his own son gets charged.

5) I kind of doubt Hunter would face prison time anyway, 1st time offender, non-violent crime, and he can claim he was an addict at the time. I suspect he would get probation and maybe a referral to a drug treatment program.
1) Whether or not the case goes forward or get to a higher court isn't the point.  It's what the Biden Admin does in reaction to his son's conviction, that is IF they pursue the 2a angle. 
2) Pardon may help is son, but again the point is whatever the Biden Admin does with this will be the interesting part.  I think it's a no win.  At least IMO.
3) I think if Biden pardons his son then drops out makes things worse.  Worse for credibility if those that follow.  Which is where I am hoping the questions come from within.
4) Sooooo, you think Hunter's conviction and pardon is a shining example of the justice system not being rigged?   ???
5) Beyond the point.  I also suspect Hunter will face any consequences.  Again, point is, at least the point of this thread is all the levels of hypocrisy that is likely to come out to save dear Hunter. . .

drck1000

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2024, 07:16:19 PM »
Democrat playbook:  deny, deny, then deny profusely.  If the truth comes out, claim conspiracy, political witch hunt and "will be vindicated in the end."

1) I never trust any politician when they say they (or a family member) "did nothing wrong" unless there's already been a thorugh and fair investigation.

2) If you lived through the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, you already know the truth.
1) Like the Kealohas? 
2) That Bill had interesting taste in women. . .

zippz

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2024, 10:17:23 AM »
Why isnt MDA or ET celebrating?

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They do so many things, like they're busy celebrating Pride Month now. They probably just forgot about it.

changemyoil66

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2024, 11:16:42 AM »
I'm surprised that Biden's admin hasn't used this to say that 4473 doesn't work and they need a more invasive form of checking the answers to the questions.

ren

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2024, 05:44:48 PM »
I think his 2a rights were violated.
Deeds Not Words

hvybarrels

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2024, 06:38:07 PM »
He got a sweetheart deal. Tax evasion for influence peddling (aka treason) was swept under the rug.

They will probably let him out in a month or two.
If you’re not a conspiracy theorist by now, you’re basically retarded.

hvybarrels

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2024, 08:11:32 PM »
A few hours after the verdict and he's pandering to Moms Demand Satisfaction

If you’re not a conspiracy theorist by now, you’re basically retarded.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2024, 10:06:08 PM »
Did he or did he not falsely fill out the paperwork to acquire that revolver? 

How can he and his retarded daddy claim he did nothing wrong?

There is wiggle room one could argue regarding the interpretation of the question. 
The question on the form is:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

If Biden had "quit" using illegal drugs the day before he could argue that he was no longer an unlawful user.. It is an issue with the question wording because when does an addiction end?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2024, 10:14:43 PM »
1) Whether or not the case goes forward or get to a higher court isn't the point.  It's what the Biden Admin does in reaction to his son's conviction, that is IF they pursue the 2a angle. 
2) Pardon may help is son, but again the point is whatever the Biden Admin does with this will be the interesting part.  I think it's a no win.  At least IMO.
3) I think if Biden pardons his son then drops out makes things worse.  Worse for credibility if those that follow.  Which is where I am hoping the questions come from within.
4) Sooooo, you think Hunter's conviction and pardon is a shining example of the justice system not being rigged?   ???
5) Beyond the point.  I also suspect Hunter will face any consequences.  Again, point is, at least the point of this thread is all the levels of hypocrisy that is likely to come out to save dear Hunter. . .

1. I do think it matters because if it goes up for appeal and the appeals court reverses it then Biden never has to play the pardon car.
2. Since I think Biden isn't planning on going all the way I don't think he cares if it is a win. Even if he is planning to go all the way, he can always just pardon him after the election then it doesn't hurt huis campaign.
3. Pardons then drops out makes it worse? I don't really see how it makes things worse for Biden or his family. Do you mean worse for the country?
4. A shining example? No but having Hunter get convicted is what I would expect from a functioning justice system. Presidents have the legal power to pardon, that isn't rigging anything. Presidents have pardoned friends and associates before. Pardoning Hunter only helps Hunter substantially if Hunter were sentenced to jail. Being pardoned wont change that he is a convicted felon.
5. From the commentary I have heard on this case it would be unusual for him not to get any jail time but it is also unusual to charge someone for these specific crimes by themselves so arguments can be made both ways in terms of whether Hunter is getting it better or worse than the average person.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2024, 01:42:35 AM »
There is wiggle room one could argue regarding the interpretation of the question. 
The question on the form is:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

If Biden had "quit" using illegal drugs the day before he could argue that he was no longer an unlawful user.. It is an issue with the question wording because when does an addiction end?

Never.  Addictions like Hunter's do not end.

Those addicts face a lifetime of recovery.  It doesn't take much for them to relapse.

He's been in and out of rehab and relapsed enough times to know this first hand. 

It's a well known and medically accepted fact that if you used in the last few days or hours, you are a user.  A simple declaration you've quit for a day is not sufficient to prove you're no longer an addict/user.

The question doesn't need nuance.   It's common sense.
"How can you diagnose someone with an obsessive-compulsive disorder
and then act as though I had some choice about barging in?"
-- Melvin Udall

macsak

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2024, 05:35:43 AM »
it depends on what your definition of "is" is...

There is wiggle room one could argue regarding the interpretation of the question. 
The question on the form is:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

If Biden had "quit" using illegal drugs the day before he could argue that he was no longer an unlawful user.. It is an issue with the question wording because when does an addiction end?

changemyoil66

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2024, 07:51:45 AM »
There is wiggle room one could argue regarding the interpretation of the question. 
The question on the form is:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

If Biden had "quit" using illegal drugs the day before he could argue that he was no longer an unlawful user.. It is an issue with the question wording because when does an addiction end?

What if he had a RX for meth?  Did the prosecution ever prove this without a reasonable doubt?  Like did they call every single doctor in the USA?  Did they call every doctor in the world, as even international travelers can bring in drugs into the US with a prescription.

drck1000

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2024, 09:48:04 AM »
1. I do think it matters because if it goes up for appeal and the appeals court reverses it then Biden never has to play the pardon car.
2. Since I think Biden isn't planning on going all the way I don't think he cares if it is a win. Even if he is planning to go all the way, he can always just pardon him after the election then it doesn't hurt huis campaign.
3. Pardons then drops out makes it worse? I don't really see how it makes things worse for Biden or his family. Do you mean worse for the country?
4. A shining example? No but having Hunter get convicted is what I would expect from a functioning justice system. Presidents have the legal power to pardon, that isn't rigging anything. Presidents have pardoned friends and associates before. Pardoning Hunter only helps Hunter substantially if Hunter were sentenced to jail. Being pardoned wont change that he is a convicted felon.
5. From the commentary I have heard on this case it would be unusual for him not to get any jail time but it is also unusual to charge someone for these specific crimes by themselves so arguments can be made both ways in terms of whether Hunter is getting it better or worse than the average person.

1) I didn't say it didn't matter.  I was focusing/commenting on Biden and his Admin's reaction.
2) Again, whether or not Biden continues running is not relevant to his actions/choices in the next few months, particularly from a 2a perspective, which again is why I posted here. 
3) Yeah, pardoning his son makes it worse for his family.  [end sarcasm\]  Again, thinking from a 2a hypocrisy perspective.  In this case, I do think it's a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation.
4) Yes, yes, yes.  I understand that Presidents have the legal power to pardon.  Just because he can, you think that makes it right?
5) Clarification on my original response.  I suspect Hunter will NOT face any legal consequences.  I don't think he will get jail time, pardon or not. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hunter Biden Conviction
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2024, 11:28:28 PM »
Never.  Addictions like Hunter's do not end.

Those addicts face a lifetime of recovery.  It doesn't take much for them to relapse.

He's been in and out of rehab and relapsed enough times to know this first hand. 

It's a well known and medically accepted fact that if you used in the last few days or hours, you are a user.  A simple declaration you've quit for a day is not sufficient to prove you're no longer an addict/user.

The question doesn't need nuance.   It's common sense.

This isn't a common sense question it is a legal question and potentially a medical question.

Different drugs linger in their effects and different people can experience them differently too so it can be a difficult thing to prove in court. It was easier to prove in court here because Hunter wrote a book and there were witnesses but generally speaking its not always going to be so obvious someone is an occasional user or an addict.