I saw the thread,  false claims.   If any of it was true,  there would be successful court cases.  So far all that made it to court were dismissed.

Hahhahah and we have another one.

Swwooooossshhhhh

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Hahhahah and we have another one.

Swwooooossshhhhh

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Just like, "If OJ killed 2 people, he would have been convicted of murder."

I remember when mail-in ballots were for special circumstances.  Like disability.  Or deployment overseas.  Or absence during election days (trip, vacation, etc.)  You had to request one and explain why you want one.

Now it is the norm.  Now the government mails it to you.  Do I trust the government to vet the "citizens" it mails the ballots to?  NO.

Why don't I trust them?  Because that same government passes laws that doesn't require proof of citizenship to vote.  WTF.

Government is getting lazy.  The ainokea spirit.  Evident when you look at the back of the mail-in ballot and it says if the addressee is no longer at the address, then return the ballot.  Who the fuck is going to do that?  The current resident at that address?  yeah, right.

We used to have to register to vote for an upcoming election.  If you missed an election cycle you need to re-register.  This keeps you and your address current.

People have gotten the mean case of the ainokea spirit and the government is the same.  Maybe the people who don't vote and don't care is the reason we are at the point we are today.

Ahhh, look what happened here.  And probably all over the nation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTLoKMyLnDI

Just like, "If OJ killed 2 people, he would have been convicted of murder."

Some people refuse to use logic and cannot accept that the justice system could be corrupt.

Ahhh, look what happened here.  And probably all over the nation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTLoKMyLnDI

Not proven in a court of law, so it never happened.  Every story about election interference is false unless proven by a government agency.

The exception is negative stories about Trump.  Those are automatically true in spite of any evidence or court ruling  to the contrary.

So you honestly believe that a bunch of 18 year olds, who mainly only text are clamoring to be polled online

You don't read very well.  Show me where I said anything about 18 year olds.

I posted the facts.  Try addressing those facts, not create straw man arguments.

"Young people" includes a lot more than just 18 year olds.  Some pollsters define that category as 18 - 29 years old.  One CNN article defines it as under 35.

Pollsters target younger voters using BOTH web panels AND SMS texts.  I'm not that demographic, yet I get polling texts daily.

One of these days you'll find a fact to support what you think you know.  Until then, I find joy in helping you figure out how that works.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
-- Mark Twain

You don't read very well.  Show me where I said anything about 18 year olds.

I posted the facts.  Try addressing those facts, not create straw man arguments.

"Young people" includes a lot more than just 18 year olds.  Some pollsters define that category as 18 - 29 years old.  One CNN article defines it as under 35.

Pollsters target younger voters using BOTH web panels AND SMS texts.  I'm not that demographic, yet I get polling texts daily.

One of these days you'll find a fact to support what you think you know.  Until then, I find joy in helping you figure out how that works.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
-- Mark Twain

I'm not "young", but I got texted about 6X so far asking who I'm voting for.  I also got maybe 4 text from Harris's campaign asking for money. 

just voted in-person early
very smooth process
but you don't get any confirmation of your vote...

I'm not "young", but I got texted about 6X so far asking who I'm voting for.  I also got maybe 4 text from Harris's campaign asking for money.

I got texted twice asking who I'm voting for.  And I got texted twice from the Trump campaign asking for donation.

I'm ancient as far as demographics go.

Just voted for Kamala.  Hope she wins.   The GOP needs to be reformed and MAGA needs to be rejected.  This is the only way.

I agree with your second statement, the GOP needs a stern rebuke for its attachment to MAGA. Unfortunately the democrats also need a stern rebuke for their garbage policies, garbage candidate, and garbage slanting of the news. Can't accomplish both in one election unfortunately so I hope whoever does lose, loses badly. Either way I am voting 3rd party though, probably libertarian.

I love my country that's why I will never support Trump.  Country over party. That one man will ruin this country.  We can survive Kamala, we may not survive Trump.

We will survive if it is just Kamala but I don't think we will fare if democrat policies continue to shift left. I do think Trump will do damage to the country but we will survive him. Even he doesn't have that much power.

I agree with your second statement, the GOP needs a stern rebuke for its attachment to MAGA. Unfortunately the democrats also need a stern rebuke for their garbage policies, garbage candidate, and garbage slanting of the news. Can't accomplish both in one election unfortunately so I hope whoever does lose, loses badly. Either way I am voting 3rd party though, probably libertarian.

Have you seen how the DNC votes for garbage policies?  A few speak against their garbage/unelected candidate (Hyena), but in general, the status quo is to show support as we have been seeing.

Good luck with your wasted vote to make you feel better as a 3rd party won't win.  But neither would Trump in Hawaii, so same same.  We have seen in MN how if 3rd party votes could make the difference.  This was in the election fraud thread 2020.

Have you seen how the DNC votes for garbage policies?  A few speak against their garbage/unelected candidate (Hyena), but in general, the status quo is to show support as we have been seeing.

Republicans calling Harris unelected because she never went through a primary is a bit ironic given that Trump didn't go through a caucus in 2020.

Good luck with your wasted vote to make you feel better as a 3rd party won't win.  But neither would Trump in Hawaii, so same same.  We have seen in MN how if 3rd party votes could make the difference.  This was in the election fraud thread 2020.

The purpose of a vote is so I can have a voice, not to be cowed into a false dichotomy so it isn't a waste. I don't have any belief a third party candidate will win but I still am voicing my opinion that they are both not worth my vote and lending credibility to a 3rd party candidate. Obviously one will never come to power if no one actually supports them.

Republicans calling Harris unelected because she never went through a primary is a bit ironic given that Trump didn't go through a caucus in 2020.

The purpose of a vote is so I can have a voice, not to be cowed into a false dichotomy so it isn't a waste. I don't have any belief a third party candidate will win but I still am voicing my opinion that they are both not worth my vote and lending credibility to a 3rd party candidate. Obviously one will never come to power if no one actually supports them.

Can you elaborate on the caucus in 2020? I googled and pages of "Iowa" stuff popped up. So I'm not familiar with what you're referring to.

A vote for 3rd party is a vote for Harris as it's 1 less vote to have to cheat to over come had you voted for Trump.  But maybe you're voting 3rd party so you don't have to take a stance as if either win, you can say "i never voted for them".  Whataboutism level 9999 achieved.

Republicans calling Harris unelected because she never went through a primary is a bit ironic given that Trump didn't go through a caucus in 2020.

The purpose of a vote is so I can have a voice, not to be cowed into a false dichotomy so it isn't a waste. I don't have any belief a third party candidate will win but I still am voicing my opinion that they are both not worth my vote and lending credibility to a 3rd party candidate. Obviously one will never come to power if no one actually supports them.

Do you know the definition of "being primaried?"  It's when the party supports someone more than the incumbent.  They are running opposed.

Biden was running opposed at one point, so the Democrat Primary was required.  it was already rigged for Biden, so just a formality.  They rigged it in part by pushing RFK, Jr out of the race.  Marianne Williamson, Dean Philips and Jason Palmer were primary opponents for Biden, but they withdrew as the primary returns were in Biden's favor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

There were 9 other viable candidates running in the GOP primary.  Trump received 76.42% of the delegates.


Trump was not the incumbant, so there was nobody "being primaried" in the Republican primary race.

As for 2020, almost nobody was willing to run against Hillary Clinton.  She was the defacto winner of the presidency simply because she was Hillary.  Democrat's couldn't fund raise against her in the primary.

Trump was running against 3 other primary candidates.

As for "Trump didn't go through a caucus in 2020," where do you get that from?

Several states decided to cancel their primaries and caucuses.[5] They cited
the fact that Republicans canceled several state primaries when George H. W.
Bush and George W. Bush sought a second term in 1992 and 2004, respectively,
and Democrats scrapped some of their primaries when Bill Clinton and Barack
Obama were seeking reelection in 1996 and 2012, respectively.[6][7] Hawaii was
the only state among the cancelled races to officially appoint their pledged
delegates immediately to incumbent President Donald Trump in 2019.[3]
Donald Trump's over 18 million votes he received in the Republican Primary
is the most ever for an incumbent President in a primary.

How many votes did Kamala get combined in the two elections where she ran for President?

Hint:  Her current nomination was the result of a convention role call, not a fair primary.

appropriate here.

the border bill was a bad bill
it was killed because of that, not because of politics
4 democrats voted against it
so opposition was bipartisan...

The bill also allowed amnesty for anyone illegally  here already.

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Can you elaborate on the caucus in 2020? I googled and pages of "Iowa" stuff popped up. So I'm not familiar with what you're referring to.

A vote for 3rd party is a vote for Harris as it's 1 less vote to have to cheat to over come had you voted for Trump.  But maybe you're voting 3rd party so you don't have to take a stance as if either win, you can say "i never voted for them".  Whataboutism level 9999 achieved.

I need to correct myself a bit, its not that there were no primaries/caucuses in 2020 rather that not every state held one. In 2020, 9 states cancelled their caucuses/primaries meaning voters in those states had no say in who became the republican candidate. This isn't unique to Trump though, the GOP and the Democrats have done this multiple times over the years. I think it is ironic that a bunch of republicans are upset that democrats didn't hold a primary again given the fact that the GOP has cancelled caucuses in the past.

Not to mention fact that none of them are going to vote Harris anyway. Who in the world would care if the opposing team picked a shitty player through an unfair hiring process? You should be glad they did what they did because if they had held a primary and someone else won the vote Trump would be having a harder time.

"A vote for 3rd party is a vote for Harris as it's 1 less vote to have to cheat to over come had you voted for Trump."

I don't even know how to respond to that statement it is so baseless. Everyone gets butt hurt about 3rd party votes, claiming it gives the other side a win. If I vote 3rd party you have no idea which side lost my vote. Maybe it is one less vote for Trump, maybe it is one less vote for Harris. So you think I am washing my hands by voting third party so I can do what? Not have to take blame regardless of which shitty candidate wins? We have an election between a turd sandwich and a douche and you are complaining that I am going to vote for the less popular but not insane 3rd party?

How about this for a motive: I want a stronger third party. Voting Trump or Harris doesn't accomplish that goal.

don't you men, "i was wrong"?

I need to correct myself a bit, its not that there were no primaries/caucuses in 2020 rather that not every state held one. In 2020, 9 states cancelled their caucuses/primaries meaning voters in those states had no say in who became the republican candidate. This isn't unique to Trump though, the GOP and the Democrats have done this multiple times over the years. I think it is ironic that a bunch of republicans are upset that democrats didn't hold a primary again given the fact that the GOP has cancelled caucuses in the past.

Not to mention fact that none of them are going to vote Harris anyway. Who in the world would care if the opposing team picked a shitty player through an unfair hiring process? You should be glad they did what they did because if they had held a primary and someone else won the vote Trump would be having a harder time.

"A vote for 3rd party is a vote for Harris as it's 1 less vote to have to cheat to over come had you voted for Trump."

I don't even know how to respond to that statement it is so baseless. Everyone gets butt hurt about 3rd party votes, claiming it gives the other side a win. If I vote 3rd party you have no idea which side lost my vote. Maybe it is one less vote for Trump, maybe it is one less vote for Harris. So you think I am washing my hands by voting third party so I can do what? Not have to take blame regardless of which shitty candidate wins? We have an election between a turd sandwich and a douche and you are complaining that I am going to vote for the less popular but not insane 3rd party?

How about this for a motive: I want a stronger third party. Voting Trump or Harris doesn't accomplish that goal.

don't you men, "i was wrong"?

To an extent yes. It happens, once in a great while