Post by: GlockNewb on August 14, 2022, 07:45:46 PM
“Whole koko head range starting on 8/24 will be rimfire only…because of ‘lead contaimination’ “
Post by: oldfart on August 14, 2022, 09:11:40 PM
Formal announcement is coming.
Expect the pistol, rifle and silhouette range to be shut down for a while.
Post by: powder monkey on August 14, 2022, 10:27:25 PM
22lr is to prevent riccohets till improvement is made to existing berm. Work should start later this year.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 15, 2022, 12:32:44 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 15, 2022, 05:07:10 AM
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Post by: QUIETShooter on August 15, 2022, 05:32:09 AM
And would probably include some qualification tests.
And now this. ::)
Didn't they do a lead contamination clean up a short time ago?
Post by: drck1000 on August 15, 2022, 07:34:04 AM
Sucks either way and understand word of mouth until official notice posted/released.
Just as I am about to have more free time to hit the range. Guess I'll plan on shooting more .22 lr rifle.
Post by: powder monkey on August 15, 2022, 10:23:24 AM
Post by: aieahound on August 15, 2022, 10:44:19 AM
.17 hmr, .22 WMR etc ?
They recently re-did the berm on the rifle side.
Post by: macsak on August 15, 2022, 12:00:13 PM
Post by: zippz on August 15, 2022, 12:45:29 PM
It could be related to that, though I don't think a ricochet would do that, more like a round shot high. If it was planned range maintenance, then notice would've been made a lot earlier. Don't think it would be related to lead poisoning either.
Post by: ren on August 15, 2022, 01:06:49 PM
Post by: powder monkey on August 15, 2022, 01:23:53 PM
Post by: stangzilla on August 15, 2022, 01:26:49 PM
Post by: powder monkey on August 15, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 15, 2022, 03:04:44 PM
so if there was a cat colony and months later a Chinese restaurant opens up in the same block....
Feline Colonialists?
Post by: mrgaf on August 15, 2022, 05:54:08 PM
Post by: macsak on August 15, 2022, 09:12:39 PM
we are reporting what "they" say
i am on the rangemaster's email list, and nothing has been said at all
watch the news tomorrow, that's when i am hearing it will be announced
plus, the KHSC website is not an official website...
So where is the notification about 22lr only and why? Nothing on the KHSC website that I can find. ???
Post by: aaronc5362 on August 16, 2022, 05:04:43 AM
There was a high angle bullet strike on a car in Hawaii Kai a week ago, though the person is unsure exactly where it happened and where the bullet came from. A bullet was recovered from the car and police report made.
It could be related to that, though I don't think a ricochet would do that, more like a round shot high. If it was planned range maintenance, then notice would've been made a lot earlier. Don't think it would be related to lead poisoning either.
Even at high angle I doubt that bs. Go through a metal roof? I watched a video where they shot 9 and 45 straight into the air and land less than 1 inch deep of desert sand. It was a myth buster type of experiment. Kinda like how if you drop a penny from empire state building and kill someone. And to say a ricochet (where it loses even more energy) and fall. More like someone intentionally did that. Not to mention all parts of vehicles have a DOT rating, including the roof. Then has to pass the inside liner.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 05:38:33 AM
A shot aimed in the air makes sense to me. But if that was the case, why are they re-building the berms?
Sorry gang, just thinking out loud. As it was mentioned, I should just shut up and wait for the official report and announcement scheduled for today. :-X
Post by: Akubone1 on August 16, 2022, 06:29:27 AM
I didn't even know bullets can ricochet off a dirt or sandy berm. I guess it's similar when we skip stones off the water surface? But bullet configuration vs. the flat sided surface of a stone...... ???
A shot aimed in the air makes sense to me. But if that was the case, why are they re-building the berms?
Sorry gang, just thinking out loud. As it was mentioned, I should just shut up and wait for the official report and announcement scheduled for today. :-X
I think the ricochet would come off the metal targets or steel frames that some people use. In any case better to shut down and do preventive maintenance. I saw a ricochet come back from the silhouette side and that’s 50 yds with handgun.
Post by: drck1000 on August 16, 2022, 07:26:29 AM
There was a high angle bullet strike on a car in Hawaii Kai a week ago, though the person is unsure exactly where it happened and where the bullet came from. A bullet was recovered from the car and police report made.This reminds me of the time they shut down the range for a while last time, indicating concerns of "high angle strike". Believe numerous studies were done (informal and formal) and showed highly unlikely. At least for the Kalama Valley one. There are those who set off rounds at places like Sandy's and other places.
It could be related to that, though I don't think a ricochet would do that, more like a round shot high. If it was planned range maintenance, then notice would've been made a lot earlier. Don't think it would be related to lead poisoning either.
I still can't see a ricochet from the pistol range going anywhere. Yeah, MAYBE one of those stray bullets that make the holes in the sunshades. Going to make the range look like on the mainland where they have those ports to shoot from. Tards with zero muzzle discipline.
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 08:06:22 AM
I didn't even know bullets can ricochet off a dirt or sandy berm. I guess it's similar when we skip stones off the water surface? But bullet configuration vs. the flat sided surface of a stone...... ???
A shot aimed in the air makes sense to me. But if that was the case, why are they re-building the berms?
Sorry gang, just thinking out loud. As it was mentioned, I should just shut up and wait for the official report and announcement scheduled for today. :-X
The bullets are supposed to all go directly into the dirt backstop which would stop the bullets. However there are riccochete hazards when they don't do that. Many reasons...
1. Backstop not maintained. Bullets will pile up inside the backstop if not regularly removed, and bullets fired into the mass will ricochet.
2. 50 Yard target. Bullets will hit the ground at a shallow angle and some may skip over the backstop. Which is why they pile sand on the ground to catch the bullets.
3. Steel tarets, frames, rocks, other objects. Bullets can deflect off objects. Skim the top of the frame and go over the backstop. Hit the edge of a frame at 50 yards deflect to a steel target at 100 to the side, then deflect off a the steel target rebar legs back to the firing line.
4. Cratered steel plates. Shoot a crater in a worn steel plate could result in the bullet or splatter coming back to the firing line.
If something has a one in a million chance of happening, and you fire a million bullets, that chance will happen.
There's a reason for the range rules at Koko Head though they may not be apparrent. One of the range safety improvement ideas was to bulldoze the elevated rifle firing positions and level it flat, so that the shooter, 50 yard target, and backstop are in line to prevent ricochets.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 08:24:00 AM
The bullets are supposed to all go directly into the dirt backstop which would stop the bullets. However there are riccochete hazards when they don't do that. Many reasons...
1. Backstop not maintained. Bullets will pile up inside the backstop if not regularly removed, and bullets fired into the mass will ricochet.
2. 50 Yard target. Bullets will hit the ground at a shallow angle and some may skip over the backstop. Which is why they pile sand on the ground to catch the bullets.
3. Steel tarets, frames, rocks, other objects. Bullets can deflect off objects. Skim the top of the frame and go over the backstop. Hit the edge of a frame at 50 yards deflect to a steel target at 100 to the side, then deflect off a the steel target rebar legs back to the firing line.
4. Cratered steel plates. Shoot a crater in a worn steel plate could result in the bullet or splatter coming back to the firing line.
If something has a one in a million chance of happening, and you fire a million bullets, that chance will happen.
There's a reason for the range rules at Koko Head though they may not be apparrent. One of the range safety improvement ideas was to bulldoze the elevated rifle firing positions and level it flat, so that the shooter, 50 yard target, and backstop are in line to prevent ricochets.
Wow, if they decide to bulldoze the elevated rifle positions, that is a big job and will take a long time... :(
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 08:24:17 AM
This reminds me of the time they shut down the range for a while last time, indicating concerns of "high angle strike". Believe numerous studies were done (informal and formal) and showed highly unlikely. At least for the Kalama Valley one. There are those who set off rounds at places like Sandy's and other places.
I still can't see a ricochet from the pistol range going anywhere. Yeah, MAYBE one of those stray bullets that make the holes in the sunshades. Going to make the range look like on the mainland where they have those ports to shoot from. Tards with zero muzzle discipline.
A strike outside the crater is highly unlikely but very possible with the high volume of rounds fired. One out of a million odds, fire a million bullets and it happens. Lets say there's 200 people shooting each weekend day, and 75 per weekday day, each shooting 60 rounds. That's 37,500 rounds per week, or two million rounds per year.
I calculated the trajectory and angles from the Kalama valley incident and it likely was shot from the range. Or Hanauma bay, top of Koko Crater, or the stables, or the sewage treatement plant. So these things do happen.
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 08:32:10 AM
Wow, if they decide to bulldoze the elevated rifle positions, that is a big job and will take a long time... :(
Yea, just range safety improvements and updating it for compliance alone would likely cost five to ten million. Level the rifle and silhouette firing lines, add downrange baffles, increase the height of the backstops, and so on. It's something that has to be done or the range will eventually be closed.
Post by: macsak on August 16, 2022, 09:02:32 AM
Yea, just range safety improvements and updating it for compliance alone would likely cost five to ten million. Level the rifle and silhouette firing lines, add downrange baffles, increase the height of the backstops, and so on. It's something that has to be done or the range will eventually be closed.
it would certainly be easier to fill in the area between the firing line and the 100 yards than to level the elevated firing positions
it should be noted again that the rifle range was never designed for 50 yard targets
if the city realizes this, they could take them away at any time...
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 09:20:59 AM
(https://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Parks%20&%20Recreation/Shooting%20Complex/pistol2.jpg)
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 16, 2022, 09:59:21 AM
Never thought about filling it in, guess it would be cheaper. Leveling the firing line, increasing the backstop height, and adding baffles could open up a lot more opportunities. Shoot at closer distances and handgun, like clark county range in vegas.Youre under the impression HI does stuff that makes sense.
(https://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Parks%20&%20Recreation/Shooting%20Complex/pistol2.jpg)
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Post by: drck1000 on August 16, 2022, 09:59:40 AM
With lead in the range, any excavation is going to be expensive, as well as going to need a bunch of sampling and testing to determine levels, appropriate mitigation, etc. Went through this a couple of times for the studies to improve ranges at Puuloa, Halawa, and other ranges in Guam and others. Environmental stuff can take a long time. Plus, groups like EPA looking at everything harder these days. . .
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Filling in is going to be way cheaper & easier in the long run.
With lead in the range, any excavation is going to be expensive, as well as going to need a bunch of sampling and testing to determine levels, appropriate mitigation, etc. Went through this a couple of times for the studies to improve ranges at Puuloa, Halawa, and other ranges in Guam and others. Environmental stuff can take a long time. Plus, groups like EPA looking at everything harder these days. . .
Excavating wouldn't be a problem, except for PPE. Extra dirt would go into the side berms and backstop.
Post by: drck1000 on August 16, 2022, 10:47:11 AM
Excavating wouldn't be a problem, except for PPE. Extra dirt would go into the side berms and backstop.The excavating work is easy. . .
Check on the timeline for sampling and testing prior to the work, then to get the permits. . .
I mean I guess the C&C can just forego environmental permits and stuff. . .
Post by: stangzilla on August 16, 2022, 10:58:43 AM
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 11:00:42 AM
at least I have a few 22 firearms and choke 22 ammo that I've been hoarding ;)
Better hoard more. I have a feeling prices will be up soon.
Post by: drck1000 on August 16, 2022, 11:01:42 AM
at least I have a few 22 firearms and choke 22 ammo that I've been hoarding ;)I stocked up pretty good on .22 lr for my bolt action rifle. Can always order more, but running out of room in my ammo storage "solution". ;D
Post by: stangzilla on August 16, 2022, 11:21:04 AM
I stocked up pretty good on .22 lr for my bolt action rifle. Can always order more, but running out of room in my ammo storage "solution". ;D
me too. I'm tripping over boxes of ammo and ammo cans at my house. I guess that's a good thing :shaka:
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 11:23:00 AM
I need to ask this question at the risk of showing how naive I am, but.....I am, lol!
Why would it be ok to shoot .22 LR? Lower velocity? Less bullet mass?
And is it ok to have shooters firing in one bay while work is being done on the other? (Say people shooting at pistol bulleye while contractors working on the rifle side.)
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
Better hoard more. I have a feeling prices will be up soon.
I always wonder if I have enough. My wife said 'nough already, lol! But when I appeal to her finance sense and say that so and so is having a deal on case sales she eventually gives in. ;)
As long as I say that the case lot will be more expensive if I buy later on, she'll say ok, go buy um, go.
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 11:28:42 AM
Wow, range work is not as simple as just throwing dirt to make a berm then building a shooting shed.
I need to ask this question at the risk of showing how naive I am, but.....I am, lol!
Why would it be ok to shoot .22 LR? Lower velocity? Less bullet mass?
And is it ok to have shooters firing in one bay while work is being done on the other? (Say people shooting at pistol bulleye while contractors working on the rifle side.)
#1. Koko head is a little different, with hikers nad development nearby so it's harder Vs a place in no man's land.
#2. 22 is safer due to lower power, and much lower max range.
#3. There's other issues like breathing in clouds of lead dust drifting over the range.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 11:32:05 AM
I stocked up pretty good on .22 lr for my bolt action rifle. Can always order more, but running out of room in my ammo storage "solution". ;D
me too. I'm tripping over boxes of ammo and ammo cans at my house. I guess that's a good thing :shaka:
What a wonderful "problem" to have! :shaka: I ran out of ammo cans for the last case of ammo I bought. ;D
Post by: drck1000 on August 16, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
I always wonder if I have enough. My wife said 'nough already, lol! But when I appeal to her finance sense and say that so and so is having a deal on case sales she eventually gives in. ;)I've seen some decent prices and availability on cases of 9 recently. . .
As long as I say that the case lot will be more expensive if I buy later on, she'll say ok, go buy um, go.
Go check 'um, go check 'um, go! :thumbsup:
Plus, hurricane season, needed commodity in SHTF, etc
Also, you worked hard all your life. Now time to enjoy some pew, pew, pew ;D
Post by: macsak on August 16, 2022, 11:49:59 AM
Wow, range work is not as simple as just throwing dirt to make a berm then building a shooting shed.
I need to ask this question at the risk of showing how naive I am, but.....I am, lol!
Why would it be ok to shoot .22 LR? Lower velocity? Less bullet mass?
And is it ok to have shooters firing in one bay while work is being done on the other? (Say people shooting at pistol bulleye while contractors working on the rifle side.)
Post by: oldfart on August 16, 2022, 12:01:46 PM
Post by: WTF?Shane on August 16, 2022, 02:12:45 PM
Maybe they will open up the combat ranges for general public use.
Where are the combat ranges?
Post by: macsak on August 16, 2022, 02:19:28 PM
Where are the combat ranges?
the ones where people shoot at each other, i would guess...
Post by: drck1000 on August 16, 2022, 02:20:56 PM
Where are the combat ranges?Where or what?
the ones where people shot at each other, i would guess...clips
boolits
WALL!
Post by: macsak on August 16, 2022, 02:25:01 PM
Where or what?
clips
boolits
WALL!
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 02:29:07 PM
Post by: zippz on August 16, 2022, 03:52:06 PM
Not related to my reference to car fender hit by a bullet. This was a riccochet to a.car window. Probably from too many bullets buried in the backstop
Post by: drck1000 on August 16, 2022, 03:56:37 PM
Post by: powder monkey on August 16, 2022, 04:19:03 PM
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 16, 2022, 04:34:42 PM
Post by: stangzilla on August 16, 2022, 04:38:28 PM
Better hoard more. I have a feeling prices will be up soon.
I've been hoarding since the Obama scare ;)
Post by: stangzilla on August 16, 2022, 05:00:46 PM
Looks like this will be in place until November or so. This weekend is going to be packed!
I'll be there!
bringing some hot 44 magnum since I can't shoot them for a while :'(
Post by: aaronc5362 on August 16, 2022, 06:31:11 PM
Official notice on caliber restriction is out. https://www.honolulu.gov/cms-dpr-menu/site-dpr-sitearticles/38579-koko-head-shooting-complex.html
Not related to my reference to car fender hit by a bullet. This was a riccochet to a.car window. Probably from too many bullets buried in the backstop
So did they find this supposed dormant slug ? Was it a foster or brenneke slug thats "soft" lead or was it sabot slug? Your telling me it ricocheted over the firing line and hit a car window? Wouldnt it seem more likely that the ricochet happened from the action bay side?
I wonder if the property damage victim is on this forum?
I think they should keep the firing line on the north facing range as is or knock it down halfway. That hill does in fact provide protection. If a bullet can ricochet there it certainly can at the action bay side. I know law enforcement shoots slugs down there.
They can fill up kokohead with all that dirt from keeamoku lol
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 06:52:59 PM
They can fill up kokohead with all that dirt from keeamoku lol
If they do that I going throw squash, tomato, and bell pepa seeds in the middle of the range. :D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 16, 2022, 07:07:57 PM
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Beginning Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2022 a temporary caliber, firearm limit will be implemented
for the three north-facing firearm ranges at the Koko Head Shooting Complex (KHSC). Only
.22LR caliber ammunition and firearms will be allowed to discharge at the pistol, rifle, and
silhouette ranges at KHSC. The archery range and south-facing firearm ranges (trap, skeet,
and cowboy action) will not be affected by this temporary limitation.
Whew! for a minute I thought I was going to be restricted to .22LR arrows. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: mrgaf on August 16, 2022, 07:13:47 PM
Official notice on caliber restriction is out. https://www.honolulu.gov/cms-dpr-menu/site-dpr-sitearticles/38579-koko-head-shooting-complex.html
Not related to my reference to car fender hit by a bullet. This was a riccochet to a.car window. Probably from too many bullets buried in the backstop
Just wondering if HPD/other law enforcement agencies will be able to use the skeet and combat action bays during this shutdown?😏
Post by: aaronc5362 on August 16, 2022, 07:40:35 PM
Just wondering if HPD/other law enforcement agencies will be able to use the skeet and combat action bays during this shutdown?😏
Prob. It said the southern facing ranges.. Are not affected. If I read it correctly.
Post by: mrgaf on August 16, 2022, 07:54:19 PM
Prob. It said the southern facing ranges.. Are not affected. If I read it correctly.
Once actual construction starts the entire range will supposedly be shut down……. :)
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 16, 2022, 08:34:32 PM
Just wondering if HPD/other law enforcement agencies will be able to use the skeet and combat action bays during this shutdown?😏
Once actual construction starts the entire range will supposedly be shut down……. :)
Oh no...
More they going miss during shoot-outs with the bad guys, lol!
We citizens had better start wearing body armor and Martha Stewart crockpots on our heads. :rofl:
But seriously, I wouldn't be surprised they are still allowed to use the south bays. "Rules for thee but not for me".
Post by: aaronc5362 on August 16, 2022, 09:12:52 PM
Oh no...
More they going miss during shoot-outs with the bad guys, lol!
We citizens had better start wearing body armor and Martha Stewart crockpots on our heads. :rofl:
But seriously, I wouldn't be surprised they are still allowed to use the south bays. "Rules for thee but not for me".
Mrgaf.. It would make SENSE for safety reasons.
But they still do quals for law enforcement. Cpb, air marshals, fbi, etc all use kokohead. Unless they ask nicely of hpd to use their range at Waipahu. Or they may simply construct a temporary berm of concrete dividers or something to divide the action bays from the construction site. I mean right now there is no "safety" wall in place. So no difference. Or they can be smart and make everyone qual over the next 2 months before construction happens. Or just do construction 4 days a week and leave that 1 day for them LE do their thing. Haha. Oh well. Looks like I gotta buy me a 22lr rifle now. Ive been putting it off for other stuff but seeing how this situation unfolded .. I guess its time.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 17, 2022, 05:24:17 AM
22 LR will soon be something shooters will be seeking to replenish stocks. Supply and demand? Prices going up?
LGS and ammo suppliers should start ordering plenty NOW!!
Or for those guys who have hundreds of thousands of these gems, now is an opportunity to sell your stock so you can have money to buy your latest pew-pew toy!! :thumbsup:
:stopjack:
Post by: drck1000 on August 17, 2022, 07:01:28 AM
I'll be there!I guess I'll hit up the pistol range. I have off tomorrow and Friday. Been meaning to replace batteries on a couple of pistol red dots and confirm zero. Looks like we'll be without centerfire ranges for 2+ months.
bringing some hot 44 magnum since I can't shoot them for a while :'(
A motivated contractor with material could so said $300k improvements in a week. I've seen it happen, including at Puuloa. . . just need effective management
Post by: drck1000 on August 17, 2022, 07:11:34 AM
Kinda off topic but I was thinking:I have plenty of .22 lr, but mostly match ammo. I haven't seen prices going up. I have seen stuff that hasn't been in stock for a while come back into stock.
22 LR will soon be something shooters will be seeking to replenish stocks. Supply and demand? Prices going up?
LGS and ammo suppliers should start ordering plenty NOW!!
Or for those guys who have hundreds of thousands of these gems, now is an opportunity to sell your stock so you can have money to buy your latest pew-pew toy!! :thumbsup:
:stopjack:
Let me know if you are in dire need. I have some "regular" stuff lying around. Some are from my dad's stash that he left me when he passed away. Not sure on quality or accuracy, but I have quite a bit of it.
Also hit up Kaleo Arms to see when their next shipment is. :geekdanc:
Post by: powder monkey on August 17, 2022, 04:47:23 PM
Post by: ren on August 17, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PNHKMSwqXE
Post by: hvybarrels on August 17, 2022, 05:22:27 PM
Magic bullet strikes again
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/08/17/city-makes-changes-shooting-range-after-ricochet-leaves-car-window-broken/
Post by: powerlessbump on August 17, 2022, 05:59:44 PM
Post by: powder monkey on August 17, 2022, 06:04:45 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 17, 2022, 06:14:56 PM
Bullet appeared to be a 50 bmg AP core missing copper jacket.
That's not a common caliber.
Did anyone bother to check the range sign-in logbooks to see whether anyone was shooting that caliber the day of or close to the alleged timeframe of the strike?
Post by: drck1000 on August 17, 2022, 06:23:55 PM
That's not a common caliber.Must have been gongho
Did anyone bother to check the range sign-in logbooks to see whether anyone was shooting that caliber the day of or close to the alleged timeframe of the strike?
Post by: powder monkey on August 17, 2022, 06:26:32 PM
was not allowed for years after the air force was firing and round left range to kalama valley home
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 17, 2022, 08:58:51 PM
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Post by: ren on August 17, 2022, 09:04:48 PM
But my 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 IDENTIFY as 22LR. They have to let me shoot those calibers, otherwise they're discriminating against me! Racists!! ......I want my own bathroom and free college!!!
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I will support your caliber identities if you simply would just stop saying WALL!
Post by: stangzilla on August 18, 2022, 07:53:17 AM
At times at silly side on the rare occasions that I do miss the steel targets, which is very rare :D, I can see the 45acp projectile skip a couple times off the ground and then end up in the berm
Post by: mill8316 on August 18, 2022, 08:11:03 AM
45acp is slower than 22LR
At times at silly side on the rare occasions that I do miss the steel targets, which is very rare :D, I can see the 45acp projectile skip a couple times off the ground and then end up in the berm
It definitely is interesting with the right lighting, when you can see the 230 grain .45 ACP projectile in flight.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 18, 2022, 10:20:56 AM
Is there pictures of the one in a million shot? Or at least the aftermath? Not to cast doubt on the event happening, but if I found a blue lobster I would take a picture of it.
I started thinking the same thing. Usually when there are mishaps like this they show the damage, in this case the car and also the bullet.
But nothing.
Also I thought nobody can shoot .50 caliber at KHSC. ???
And then this bothers me: If the safety concern was a bullet by a one in a gazillion chance it impacted a dud round in the berm and ricocheted back to hit the car, then how is an improvement to the berm gonna prevent this from happening again in the future? Is it the berm that is the culprit, or the dud round? What if it hits a rock?
Because if I remember right, last year "they" claimed to have removed the lead (projectiles) from the range berms to eliminate the amount of lead present. They shut the range down a couple of weeks.
Definitely one of those "Hmmmmm....." moments for me.
Post by: powder monkey on August 18, 2022, 11:59:56 AM
Post by: aieahound on August 18, 2022, 12:07:45 PM
https://youtu.be/0ABGIJwiGBc
My understanding was that .50 center fire was not allowed.
Seen some.416 out there though.
Powder monkey, where’d you get the info on the projectile ?
Post by: powder monkey on August 18, 2022, 12:18:50 PM
Post by: aieahound on August 18, 2022, 12:45:16 PM
Gotcha.
Thanks for relaying the info.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 18, 2022, 03:16:47 PM
Post by: Eo12 on August 18, 2022, 09:26:46 PM
Post by: ren on August 18, 2022, 11:07:01 PM
Post by: powder monkey on August 19, 2022, 06:10:27 PM
Post by: mrgaf on August 19, 2022, 06:31:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10223011602982585&set=gm.3264916887104301
Hmmmmm interesting…..
Post by: powerlessbump on August 19, 2022, 07:29:43 PM
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The limitation is in response to a ricochet incident when staff and firearm experts believe a high caliber bullet contacted a dormant firearm slug within the northern berm causing the slug to ricochet and damage a parked car window
So.... Two one in a million shots? Or just so a bad game telephone?
Post by: zippz on August 19, 2022, 07:54:51 PM
1. The shot into the car fender, unknown if it came from the range.
2. Riccochet into the car window.
3. Range officers diagnosed with lead poisoning.
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 19, 2022, 09:43:58 PM
There were a pretty good amount of rifle shooters there this afternoon. Seems like it’s gonna get really crowded. Lots of guys getting dialed in for upcoming outerisland hunts too.I was there around noon. Dialing my 260 rem and testing loads.
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