HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up (Read 2783 times)

aletheuo137

aieahound

Article is Front Page in the newspaper.

sigpro

'19 concealed carry licenses have been issued...'
I'm wondering if this is legit reporting.

QUIETShooter

The way HPD is handling this CCW situation one would need two holsters:

One for the firearm

The other for the 1000 page "rules of CCW carry" manual that the permit holder must have on person at all times.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

The way HPD is handling this CCW situation one would need two holsters:

One for the firearm

The other for the 1000 page "rules of CCW carry" manual that the permit holder must have on person at all times.

PDF on your phone.

#ThisIsNotThe90s

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Sodie

Quote from: HNN

For now, the police department said it’s working with city lawyers to make changes after a public meeting was held in October in which some residents said the proposed rules are too strict while others said they’re not strict enough.


That makes it sound like it was almost evenly divided…. Which it wasn’t. :crazy:

aletheuo137

That makes it sound like it was almost evenly divided…. Which it wasn’t. :crazy:
Hawaii.commie

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hvybarrels

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Speaking of which

"Have you thought about the possibility, say two police officers working along sides with 2 behavioral therapists walking the streets at the same time? The behavioral therapists have the education to help those that are mentally ill," Ernest Caravalho asked.

https://www.kitv.com/news/police-chief-eyes-progress-for-chinatown/article_44d58bd0-5c1b-11ed-8d18-b3a72332b12e.html

Caravalho is not a serious person
If you don’ t have one already go find yourself a conspiracy theorist friend. You’re going to need one to understand what’s about to happen.

QUIETShooter

Speaking of which

"Have you thought about the possibility, say two police officers working along sides with 2 behavioral therapists walking the streets at the same time? The behavioral therapists have the education to help those that are mentally ill," Ernest Caravalho asked.

https://www.kitv.com/news/police-chief-eyes-progress-for-chinatown/article_44d58bd0-5c1b-11ed-8d18-b3a72332b12e.html

Caravalho is not a serious person.

Yep.  He definitely is out of touch with reality.  A true politician or politician wannabe.

But that Board member Kevin McDonald made a lot of sense.  Sad that a Board member makes more sense than legislators.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Bota-CS1

It makes sense. It reduced crime in the Bronx by 50%.

Really? 

https://www.bxtimes.com/major-crime-continues-to-permeate-the-bronx/

Oh, you must’ve been talking about after June of this year….

It wasn’t social workers that cleaned up the Bronx, the way I heard it, Jackie Chan came in and rumbled.  Then there was peace on the streets.
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2022, 10:43:16 AM »
Speaking of which

"Have you thought about the possibility, say two police officers working along sides with 2 behavioral therapists walking the streets at the same time? The behavioral therapists have the education to help those that are mentally ill," Ernest Caravalho asked.

https://www.kitv.com/news/police-chief-eyes-progress-for-chinatown/article_44d58bd0-5c1b-11ed-8d18-b3a72332b12e.html

Caravalho is not a serious person

So, the concept is to make the Cop's job much harder by making them responsible for the therapists' safety, and the therapists being unable to assist the Cops.  The only time a therapist can help is if the suspect wants to be helped. 

The only reason to put therapists in the field is to PROTECT THE CRIMINALS FROM THE POLICE.  It's really that simple.

The field is the wrong place to hold therapy sessions.  The first time a therapist is injured or killed by the person they are there to help, who'll get blamed?  Obviously not the poor, misunderstood criminal who hurt/killed them.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2022, 11:18:01 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
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changemyoil66

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2022, 11:14:13 AM »
So, the concept is to make the Cop's job much harder by making them responsible for the therapists' safety, and the therapists being unable to assist the Cops.  The only time a therapist can help is if the suspect wants to be helped. 

The only reason to put therapists in the field is to PROTECT THE CRIMINALS FROM THE POLICE.  It's really that simple.

The filed is the wrong place to hold therapy sessions.  The first time a therapist is injured or killed by the person they are there to help, who'll get blamed?  Obviously not the poor, misunderstood criminal who hurt/killed them.

It's like you/we understand how things work in actual practice and not via feel good measures.

changemyoil66

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2022, 11:14:40 AM »
Really? 

https://www.bxtimes.com/major-crime-continues-to-permeate-the-bronx/

Oh, you must’ve been talking about after June of this year….

It wasn’t social workers that cleaned up the Bronx, the way I heard it, Jackie Chan came in and rumbled.  Then there was peace on the streets.

Don't mess with the cushion

hvybarrels

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2022, 11:23:04 AM »
It's like you/we understand how things work in actual practice and not via feel good measures.

It’s more like he’s not actively trying to destroy civilization under a mandate from a handful of creepy incompetent billionaires
If you don’ t have one already go find yourself a conspiracy theorist friend. You’re going to need one to understand what’s about to happen.

Rocky

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2022, 11:30:44 AM »

I was unaware that SCOTUS required one to be "qualified" .
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Rocky

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2022, 11:34:09 AM »
So, the concept is to make the Cop's job much harder by making them responsible for the therapists' safety, and the therapists being unable to assist the Cops.  The only time a therapist can help is if the suspect wants to be helped. 

The only reason to put therapists in the field is to PROTECT THE CRIMINALS FROM THE POLICE.  It's really that simple.

The field is the wrong place to hold therapy sessions.  The first time a therapist is injured or killed by the person they are there to help, who'll get blamed?  Obviously not the poor, misunderstood criminal who hurt/killed them.
Why do the therapist need a police escort ?
Are they saying it is unsafe to walk the streets of Chinatown ?  :wacko:
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aletheuo137

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2022, 11:54:26 AM »
So, the concept is to make the Cop's job much harder by making them responsible for the therapists' safety, and the therapists being unable to assist the Cops.  The only time a therapist can help is if the suspect wants to be helped. 

The only reason to put therapists in the field is to PROTECT THE CRIMINALS FROM THE POLICE.  It's really that simple.

The field is the wrong place to hold therapy sessions.  The first time a therapist is injured or killed by the person they are there to help, who'll get blamed?  Obviously not the poor, misunderstood criminal who hurt/killed them.


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aletheuo137

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2022, 07:57:46 AM »
Mike Elliott from Hawaii Firearms Coalition

https://rumble.com/v1qfflo-mike-elliot-from-hawaii-firearms-coalition-4k.html

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aletheuo137

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2022, 08:18:19 AM »
 

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Stack_Xchange

Re: HPD last in state to finalize concealed carry rules as applications pile up
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2022, 03:40:20 AM »
In re therapists:

I still have not seen any clear logistical plan/policy to implement/integrate therapists in modern police work, only vague descriptions like fire 20% of officers and replace them with therapists as to not incur additional costs. No one has even suggested how to audit such a program for its effectiveness, only that the 'obvious' end result is a reduction of police use of deadly force. Police slayings, both justified and unjustified, are nearly insignificant in terms of all police-citizen encounters occurring each year. If media outlets were to title articles on police shootings like automotive deaths, it would read something like "Vehicular deaths as the result of elderly Asian-American women drivers in large SUVs are increasing at an alarming rate--and the Department of Transportation Director (R)Tonald Jiden is doing nothing about it."