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VET your Instructor
« on: June 25, 2016, 10:34:33 AM »
Vet your instructor......
NRA really needs to address its failures with its NRA courses.
Also Buyer beware....just because some clown has a NRA instructor certificate doesn't nessassrily mean he is a good instructor or even should be teaching. Do your due diligence and read reviews. It seems these days ever Tom, Dick and Harry is a NRA instructor... Its just a cash cow for NRA. They are failing with these classes.....
‪#‎NRACLASSES‬ ‪#‎NRAFAIL‬

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Re: VET your Instructor
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2016, 11:35:28 AM »
Like politicians or police, a few bad apples.....
What, Me Worry?

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Re: VET your Instructor
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 12:22:25 PM »
Like politicians or police, a few bad apples.....

Yes exactly! There are some really outstanding Instructors, very few are the shitty ones. Just seems with this up tick.....  a lot of the instructors into the market haven't put the time in or just ultimately like the idea of calling themselves NRA instructor. Like everything in life choosing a a place to eat, a place to stay on vacation, what car you buy .... just do your homework! :shaka:
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Re: VET your Instructor
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2016, 09:24:25 PM »
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NRA really needs to address its failures with its NRA courses.

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http://8minutesoffame.com/nra-safety-second/

How you can help fix it:


The single best thing you can do as students to help keep the world safe for gun owners is to report bad instructors to the NRA and to your state’s DOJ. I can’t tell you how many times I hear people grill me on our course material before even signing up. I happily inform them how we teach, what we teach, and how we proceed with insuring the students have a grasp of the material. Then I hear something like “Good ,thank god. I’ll send my wife to you, because that asshole that gave me my certificate was a joke!”

WHAT?


I always follow up with “Did you report him?” The answer is 100% of the time a resounding NO! Either it was a friend, or it was someone they were referred to because the class was “easy.” Let me tell you something; this class isn’t designed to be EASY! It’s meant to be taken seriously.

Just last week my mother asked me if I’d seen the local guy on Facebook advertising his concealed carry course. I said I hadn’t. “Well, isn’t the class supposed to be a certain length of time?”

“Yes ma’am” I replied. “It’s required to be eight hours of classroom instruction plus range time.”

“That’s what I thought,” she said. “This guy was advertising you’d be in and out in six hours total.

That’s against the law. It’s illegal. It’s also grounds for every student he’s ever had to have their permit revoked and for him to have his license revoked.

If you, as responsible gun owners, or just as readers that want to be sure the person next to you has some idea what end of the bang stick makes the noise, then start reporting these instructors and FOLLOW UP to see if they’re still teaching. This is a serious industry and it’s an industry that’s already under-fire (literally and metaphorically) in this nation. Do your part to insure a quality of education! All it takes is an email or a phone call.
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Re: VET your Instructor
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 12:01:44 AM »

Very Well said Sir!! Thank you for your insight! You happened to have that NRA info on reporting bad instructors... Another question as an instructor do you ever contact the NRA and complain about that outdated material or standards.... or The fact that someone can take their first NRA Firearm safety course and practically next day take an instructor's course?? Is there a way they try and curb this behavior?....As an instructor how much freedom do you have to not pass Individuals on as instructors?

Again thanks for taking the time its always great to hear straight from the horses mouth!!
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Re: VET your Instructor
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 12:54:24 AM »
Very Well said Sir!! Thank you for your insight! You happened to have that NRA info on reporting bad instructors... Another question as an instructor do you ever contact the NRA and complain about that outdated material or standards.... or The fact that someone can take their first NRA Firearm safety course and practically next day take an instructor's course?? Is there a way they try and curb this behavior?....As an instructor how much freedom do you have to not pass Individuals on as instructors?

Again thanks for taking the time its always great to hear straight from the horses mouth!!

There's an NRA online contact form, with instructions at the top in case you prefer to use the phone or send a letter.

https://contact.nra.org/contact-us.aspx

In the "Regarding" field, select "Training".  I'd recommend providing as much detail as possible:  who, when, where, what, how, and why.

Since I'm not an NRA instructor, I can't answer the second question.  There are NRA instructor portals.  Lots of info there visible to the public, and even more if you have an instructor's login account. 

I've been reading about the new "blended" training model.  Instead of having hours of detailed classroom lessons, mostly memorizing parts of guns, law, gun accessories, ammunition components, etc., you take that part online.  Then, the instructors spend class time making sure you retained the online information.  It takes some of the "bad teacher" problem and makes that portion self-paced, and allows more trigger time for students, a criticism many made over the years.  Many students felt uncomfortable with the minimal time handling and using handguns even though they earned their certificates.  The blended approach is a response to that feedback.

So, you see, the NRA does listen to the students' complaints and recommendations.  All you have to do is make the effort to let them in on how you feel.

As far as taking an instructor's course, it depends on the type of instruction.  certain classes, including instructor's classes, have prerequisites.  For example, here is the course description for the "NRA Instructor Pistol Shooting Course"

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Course Catalog

Name:NRA Instructor Pistol Shooting Course

Short Description: This 16-hour course teaches the knowledge, skills and attitude essential to organizing, promoting and teaching NRA’s Basic Pistol Shooting course.

More Details: Prerequisite: Possession of basic firearm safety and shooting skills is a perquisite for certification as an NRA instructor. Prior to the instructor training, candidates complete a pre-course questionnaire and demonstrate their firearm background in pre-course assessment exercises.
Description: Course is presented in two parts: basic instructor training, and discipline specific instructor training. Students demonstrate organizational and teaching skills via participation in practical exercises during the course, and complete an instructor certification examination. Students will receive the NRA Trainer’s Guide, NRA Pistol Shooting Instructor Candidate Packet and NRA Basic Pistol Shooting course student packet.

So, having finished the safety course and immediately taking the Instructor's course is governed by an assessment to ensure the student has the basics down. 

How soon together someone takes the classes should not be the deciding factor in my opinion.  Let's say you are military and have gone through years of training on a variety of weapons and qualified "expert" 100% of the time you were graded.  According to the course description, you could pass the pre-course eval without ever even taking the NRA basic safety course.  As long as you have the correct answers and demonstrable skills, you can take the class.  Of course, you also have to PASS the class.  Just getting in isn't a guaranteed certificate.

As for passing instructors ...  the NRA sets standards.  If the students meet the standards, I would expect the teacher to pass them.  Most of the skills and knowledge needed to teach can be objectively evaluated with tests.  As for teaching ability, that comes with practice and experience.  I hope the students are honest in their feedback surveys to identify he weaker ones.

I can only imagine what outdated materials you might be seeing, but I don't have any clue about "outdated standards."  I'm not sure I know what you mean by outdated.  Should they be raised every 3 years until we expect only 100% perfection from all instructors?  Help me out here.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: VET your Instructor
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 01:04:17 AM »
Here's the NRA course catalog list, if you want to browse the prerequisites, standards for completion, and description of what's taught.

http://www.nrainstructors.org/CourseCatalog.aspx
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