FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban (Read 12582 times)

Kalihi Uka

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #200 on: May 06, 2025, 09:47:05 PM »
Although the Hawaiian Kingdom did not have the right-to-bear-arms equivalent to the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution in their own Constitution, Hawaii did not; however, have gun control in the modern sense until its illegal annexation by the US empire in 1898 in order to prevent Hawaiian nationals from taking arms and country back from the US empire.

The failure of Hawaiian nationals to take up arms against the US empire during and after the reign of Queen Liliuokalani had more to do with her being manipulated by the pro-American Hawaiian nationals she kept company that duped her into trusting the US empire in not annexing her nation by force.

You appear to be far better educated than I on this matter.

As an American, I would still prefer it to be as I imagined though.  It was wholly dishonorable.

hvybarrels

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #201 on: May 06, 2025, 10:44:24 PM »
Although the Hawaiian Kingdom did not have the right-to-bear-arms equivalent to the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution in their own Constitution, Hawaii did not; however, have gun control in the modern sense until its illegal annexation by the US empire in 1898 in order to prevent Hawaiian nationals from taking arms and country back from the US empire.

The failure of Hawaiian nationals to take up arms against the US empire during and after the reign of Queen Liliuokalani had more to do with her being manipulated by the pro-American Hawaiian nationals she kept company that duped her into trusting the US empire in not annexing her nation by force.

I saw a play at the courthouse a few years ago, and according to the script they had all the munitions locked up in an armory. Her advisors begged her to turn over the keys but she refused because she didn't want anyone to die and figured that she could appeal to the US government for relief.
If that's true then it points out an important factor of the second amendment, which is that arms distributed amongst the population are a far more effective deterrent against invasion, specifically because it's a safeguard against compromised leadership.
The side that wants to win will always beat the side that just wants to be left alone.

Kalihi Uka

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #202 on: May 07, 2025, 06:48:18 AM »
I saw a play at the courthouse a few years ago, and according to the script they had all the munitions locked up in an armory. Her advisors begged her to turn over the keys but she refused because she didn't want anyone to die and figured that she could appeal to the US government for relief.
If that's true then it points out an important factor of the second amendment, which is that arms distributed amongst the population are a far more effective deterrent against invasion, specifically because it's a safeguard against compromised leadership.

Awesome point.  I didn’t intend to make this a major topic, but after learning Hawaiian history at UH back when I was considerably better looking (of course in a completely relative way …), this thing has gnawed at me.

What I wish the conversation was like is:

“Dude, you want me to march my Marines up King Street, past the palace, flanked by a few hundred armed kanakas on either side, as a show force, because you can’t come to an understanding with a Queen who truly loves her people, and they love her right back, because you want to make sure you can continue to live in the high manner to which you’ve become accustomed?  Is THAT what you’re asking me?

“Indeed sir, yes.”

“Go fuck yourself.”

So yet another interesting aspect of the 2A, is that, as you point out, by placing a check on government officials, it can effectively deter the commission of atrocities, political or violent.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #203 on: May 07, 2025, 09:10:56 AM »
Although the Hawaiian Kingdom did not have the right-to-bear-arms equivalent to the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution in their own Constitution, Hawaii did not; however, have gun control in the modern sense until its illegal annexation by the US empire in 1898 in order to prevent Hawaiian nationals from taking arms and country back from the US empire.

The failure of Hawaiian nationals to take up arms against the US empire during and after the reign of Queen Liliuokalani had more to do with her being manipulated by the pro-American Hawaiian nationals she kept company that duped her into trusting the US empire in not annexing her nation by force.

I was taught in school that she surrendered HI to the empire to save the bloodshed. 

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #204 on: May 07, 2025, 09:12:16 AM »
So with the Finance chair gone, Civil Beat wrote an article that his replacement is ready for an emergency session in August due to Trumps tariffs and how it affects Hawaii.  This would be the time I suspect that they will try to weasel in another SB401 type wording.

rpoL98

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #205 on: May 07, 2025, 09:16:35 AM »
So with the Finance chair gone, Civil Beat wrote an article that his replacement is ready for an emergency session in August due to Trumps tariffs and how it affects Hawaii.  This would be the time I suspect that they will try to weasel in another SB401 type wording.
if so, do they start all over again?  or do they just pick up where they left off, conference committee on last amendment?

QUIETShooter

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #206 on: May 07, 2025, 10:02:28 AM »
Don't be surprised they no say nothing and slide that crap in anonymously along with the tariff stuff they so worried about.

Guaran ball barans in August they will be blowing smoke up the public's A$$. 
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #207 on: May 07, 2025, 10:38:53 AM »
if so, do they start all over again?  or do they just pick up where they left off, conference committee on last amendment?

IDK, emergency sessions are supposed to be very rare. We didn't even have one during covid.

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #208 on: May 07, 2025, 12:18:24 PM »
if so, do they start all over again?  or do they just pick up where they left off, conference committee on last amendment?

Contact the public access room and they'll explain the procedures, and let us know.  https://lrb.hawaii.gov/par/

I'd do it myself but everyone has to know how to find the info.

pacwire

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #209 on: May 07, 2025, 01:59:14 PM »
I WAS INFORMED THAT AN SPECIAL SESSION WILL HAPPEN.  There are Dates being discussed.

BTW SB401 is NOT DEAD

rpoL98

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #210 on: May 07, 2025, 02:21:03 PM »
Contact the public access room and they'll explain the procedures, and let us know.  https://lrb.hawaii.gov/par/

I'd do it myself but everyone has to know how to find the info.
ah, yes, the old "teach a man to fish ..."

QUIETShooter

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #211 on: May 07, 2025, 02:48:52 PM »
IDK, emergency sessions are supposed to be very rare. We didn't even have one during covid.

Maybe cause this time, money will be withheld, not handed out.

When it comes to hawaii's lawmakers, if nomo money, it's not funny...... :(

Emergency session in August!!  All hands on deck!   :rofl:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

macsak

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #212 on: May 07, 2025, 03:22:49 PM »
called the public access office. they said they will announce what the special session will cover. no specific rules limit what can be discussed. but past practice and the time limitations mean that they will generally only cover the specific intent of the special session. also said that there is no rule that says that bills cannot be considered in conference committee during the special session, but she said that those bills are generally considered dead if the clock ran out. and that they are normally not considered until the end of the next session if they are continued from the first year of the 2 year cycle...

Contact the public access room and they'll explain the procedures, and let us know.  https://lrb.hawaii.gov/par/

I'd do it myself but everyone has to know how to find the info.

rpoL98

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #213 on: May 07, 2025, 03:32:34 PM »
called the public access office. they said they will announce what the special session will cover. no specific rules limit what can be discussed. but past practice and the time limitations mean that they will generally only cover the specific intent of the special session. also said that there is no rule that says that bills cannot be considered in conference committee during the special session, but she said that those bills are generally considered dead if the clock ran out. and that they are normally not considered until the end of the next session if they are continued from the first year of the 2 year cycle...
ah yes, the old "rules for thee but not for me..."

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #214 on: May 12, 2025, 10:48:57 PM »
Got interviewed by civil beat today.  Reporter ask if the government is trending toward lightening gun restrictions or is it because of the lawsuits.


Well...

pacwire

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #215 on: May 13, 2025, 11:41:52 AM »
Emergency session in August!!  All hands on deck!   :rofl:

So when is our NEXT meeting?

Mom's Demand Action has a meeting Scheduled in June

Why was Jill Tokuda, DLE Director and Chief Logan on TV Talking about Ghost Guns...Hmmmm

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #216 on: May 13, 2025, 12:07:08 PM »
Emergency session in August!!  All hands on deck!   :rofl:

So when is our NEXT meeting?

Mom's Demand Action has a meeting Scheduled in June

Why was Jill Tokuda, DLE Director and Chief Logan on TV Talking about Ghost Guns...Hmmmm

Is there a list of what topics they will discuss?

Tokuda, DLE and Chief talking about ghost guns wasn't anything that they could add to the emergency session.  They've already passed all committees and votes to ban ghost guns even more.

pacwire

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #217 on: May 13, 2025, 01:31:08 PM »
There is NO OFFICIAL LIST but as you and i know, they can decide on the fly what will be discussed.  Is it "legal"?  That is the ?  Is GUT AND REPLACE legal? 

I guess the bottom line is that we must be aware and be ready!

That is why i ask the question about "organized"....

Have a Great Tuesday!

Aloha!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #218 on: May 13, 2025, 02:06:03 PM »
Maybe start reading about halfway through at:
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A Special Session will be convened in August, for the purpose of proactively
dealing with federal funding cuts impacting vital state services, as well as the
below items.
https://garyhooser.blog/2025/04/01/breaking-news-hawaii-legislators-reject-pay-raise-call-for-special-session/

Not saying this is in any way "the" list of topics, but there's nothing about firearms mentioned.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION SB401 due by 2/11 at 3pm 50 cal ban
« Reply #219 on: May 13, 2025, 02:25:02 PM »
Maybe start reading about halfway through at:https://garyhooser.blog/2025/04/01/breaking-news-hawaii-legislators-reject-pay-raise-call-for-special-session/

Not saying this is in any way "the" list of topics, but there's nothing about firearms mentioned.

How accurate is this guy?

Article date is 4/1.