Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One. (Read 10797 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2025, 12:17:10 PM »
And that is how the FBI prevented the plot to crash airliners into buildings.... oh wait

That makes absolutely no sense.

Just arguing to argue.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #102 on: June 06, 2025, 12:15:22 PM »
That makes absolutely no sense.

Just arguing to argue.

Do you really need me to explain to you how 9/11 involved people who had not thought of everything? When Hamas attacked Israel the plan had been discovered but were overlooked.

Why take the risk at all, we have working 747s, why take the risk of a technician missing a surveillance device hidden somewhere or a bit of dormant computer code?

changemyoil66

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #103 on: June 06, 2025, 12:16:11 PM »
Do you really need me to explain to you how 9/11 involved people who had not thought of everything? When Hamas attacked Israel the plan had been discovered but were overlooked.


SWOOOOSSSHHHHH

ren

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #104 on: June 06, 2025, 12:24:40 PM »
Do you really need me to explain to you how 9/11 involved people who had not thought of everything? When Hamas attacked Israel the plan had been discovered but were overlooked.

Why take the risk at all, we have working 747s, why take the risk of a technician missing a surveillance device hidden somewhere or a bit of dormant computer code?

Im interested in your explanation of the people involved in the attacks that occured on Sept 11, 2001. :popcorn:

Also can you give an example of 'dormant' computer codes?
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changemyoil66

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #105 on: June 06, 2025, 01:20:57 PM »
Im interested in your explanation of the people involved in the attacks that occured on Sept 11, 2001. :popcorn:

Also can you give an example of 'dormant' computer codes?

Dude. BRB, getting gas cause the range too far.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #106 on: June 06, 2025, 01:41:13 PM »
Im interested in your explanation of the people involved in the attacks that occured on Sept 11, 2001. :popcorn:

Also can you give an example of 'dormant' computer codes?
Let me jump on that last part.

Boeing and the Air Force have extensive configuration management tools and procedures.  When I worked on AWACS software, one of my main positions was Configuration Management -- Software Integration and Testing. We performed audits that counted every single byte in every program installed on the mission computers.  The audit compared those counts plus checksums to see what in the software was changed.  When a programmer submitted documentation for their code changes, it included the number of bytes increase or decrease (or zero) for every software package,  We also did a line by line comparison of the hexadecimal dump for every line of code.

If anything was changed and not documented, or if the comparisons showed something unexpected, we'd deep dive into the source code to see whether the code or the documentation was wrong.  Usually it was the programmer's error by submitting source code they tested.  Sometimes to fit larger code into existing system software to test, they had to remove unnecessary sections, and sometimes they forgot to replace what they removed.  Other times, they didn't compile the code properly, so we provided the most current libraries and operational code to use for their tests.

Configuration Management (CM) performs a very important function.  Most people don't realize that the bulk of mission software (including for AF1) is stored on magnetic media,  The compiled software is loaded onto the computer/s before every mission.  Because of this, it's impossible for any "covert surveillance bug code" to exist.  Once the aircraft lands, the crew does a wipe of all the data so the next sortie will again have a fresh installation of the latest tested software.

Even systems like secure comms have their firmware removed and replaced frequently.

So, I find it highly unlikely that anything that could snoop on AF1 communications or data would exist beyond the initial reloading of the operating system and databases.

The software I maintained was classified SECRET.  if we left the software loaded while the plane was parked for extended periods, the chances of corruption or compromise becomes higher.  Wiping the storage and rewriting the memory many times over is the only way to make sure the mission systems can't be monkeyed with or stolen.

In layman's terms, every time you leave work for the night, you back up your data files to a server, then do a complete disk wipe on your PC.  Each morning, you would reinstall the operating system and applications from an image of a working PC.  If the PC is stolen, a new replacement is easy to load and have running 100% in a few minutes by restoring the O/S image.

I hate when people assume they know everything when they have zero experience working with actual computer systems like the one in question.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #107 on: July 28, 2025, 07:18:08 AM »

QUIETShooter

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #108 on: July 28, 2025, 08:57:15 AM »


I dunno.  I'd like to think that this is just a gift and nothing more than a gift.  Like the article said, a win-win situation, making an ally happy while they are happy to get rid of a high maintenance and irrelevant aircraft.

But I've always, throughout my whole life, maintained the idea that there is no such thing as a free lunch, and it has served me well in my own affairs.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #109 on: July 28, 2025, 12:06:46 PM »
I dunno.  I'd like to think that this is just a gift and nothing more than a gift.  Like the article said, a win-win situation, making an ally happy while they are happy to get rid of a high maintenance and irrelevant aircraft.

But I've always, throughout my whole life, maintained the idea that there is no such thing as a free lunch, and it has served me well in my own affairs.

I was told to never look a gift-horse in the mouth.  Unless there's evidence this was gifted with an expectation (or promise) of reciprocation, then we should be grateful for such a generous gift.  If boeing had delivered on time, I believe the gift from Qatar would have been accepted and used for something other than AF1.

Qatar is a wealthy nation, so they can afford to offer the US a 747, especially if they already plan to replace it -- maybe with a fleet of smaller luxury jets?
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The economy of Qatar is one of the highest in the world based on GDP per
capita, ranking generally among the top ten richest countries on world
rankings for 2015 and 2016 data compiled by the World Bank, the United
Nations, and the International Monetary Fund. The country's economy has
grown despite sanctions by its neighbors, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab
Emirates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Qatar

US, Qatar deals to generate $1.2 trillion in 'economic exchange',
White House says

May 14, 2025
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May 14 (Reuters) - Agreements signed by U.S. President Donald Trump and
Qatar's Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani on Wednesday will "generate
an economic exchange worth at least $1.2 trillion," the White House said in a
fact sheet, opens new tab summarizing some of the deals' details.

The agreements include a $96 billion deal with Qatar Airways to buy up to 210
Boeing 787 Dreamliner and 777X airplanes with GE Aerospace engines, the
fact sheet said. They also include a statement of intent that could lead to $38
billion in investments at Qatar's Al Udeid Air Base and other air defense and
maritime security capabilities, it said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-qatar-deals-generate-12-trillion-economic-exchange-white-house-says-2025-05-14/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw