Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One. (Read 10794 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2025, 12:02:40 PM »
please prove it's a bribe...

I wouldn't use the term bribe (without evidence of criminal tit for tat) but no side gives that much money for nothing. We didn't spend billions in Qatar out of good will, we got something out of it. If we are getting something perfectly legitimate in trade for the "gift" then it would make sense to say so because that will make it look like a deal. Painting it as a gift, something for nothing, makes it look shady. That is why I asked what Qatar is getting out of it.

macsak

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2025, 12:04:54 PM »
the deal was in the works for a year
which means it was started by the Biden administration...

The real question should be why no one else was concerned about this enough to post the story.

But by all means, what info am I leaving out?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2025, 12:05:03 PM »
#1 My post didn't attack anyone
#2 "Trending"?
#3 The story was in the news for at least a day when I posted it.
#4 Sounds like you want the Political Discussion section to be an echo chamber where no one says anything bad about Lord Trump. You paint any critical comments on Trump as 24/7 Trump bashing.
#5. There need not be an argument, I posted a news story, you can read it and move on if you don't desire to debate.

Wrong, and "trending' is English.  Maybe take a remedial English Comprehension class at a community college?  You can do that online.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2025, 12:07:56 PM »
the deal was in the works for a year
which means it was started by the Biden administration...

Have a source for that?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2025, 12:09:42 PM »
Wrong, and "trending' is English.  Maybe take a remedial English Comprehension class at a community college?  You can do that online.

 ::)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2025, 12:44:43 PM »
Have a source for that?

Try a web search.  It pops right up in the results if you know how to use the search function.

US OKs $1B arms sale to Qatar
during key World Cup match

Published 10:35 AM HST, November 29, 2022
Quote
The Biden administration on Tuesday approved a $1 billion arms sale to
Qatar in a transaction unveiled during halftime of the key World Cup 2022
match in Doha between Iran and the United States.

The State Department announced it had signed off on Qatar’s purchase
of 10 defensive drone systems, 200 interceptors and related equipment just
as the second half of the US-Iran game began. Qatar, along with other Gulf
Arab states, faces threats from Iranian-backed proxies in the region.

The department said in a statement the sale would “support the foreign policy
and national security objectives of the United States by helping to improve
the security of a friendly country that continues to be an important force for
political stability and economic progress in the Middle East.”
https://apnews.com/article/iran-united-states-middle-east-qatar-doha-bf3b70dbd1cd743fbeb2bc7a8402e24e

Gee.  Looks like the 747 "gift" is more of a "thank you" for prior support from the US than a bribe for future asks.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2025, 01:16:27 PM »
The real question should be why no one else was concerned about this enough to post the story.

But by all means, what info am I leaving out?

It's because others here know how to use logic based on the facts available.

Do you know something that the media is leaving out?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2025, 01:42:42 PM »
Try a web search.  It pops right up in the results if you know how to use the search function.

US OKs $1B arms sale to Qatar
during key World Cup match

Published 10:35 AM HST, November 29, 2022https://apnews.com/article/iran-united-states-middle-east-qatar-doha-bf3b70dbd1cd743fbeb2bc7a8402e24e

Gee.  Looks like the 747 "gift" is more of a "thank you" for prior support from the US than a bribe for future asks.

Thanks for the article but I was wondering where the 747 was part of the deal (the article doesn't mention 747, jet, or plane)

I thought Macsak was saying the 747 was the deal that started during Biden's administration since the whole thread was about the plane. He can correct me if I was mistaken.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2025, 01:43:21 PM »
It's because others here know how to use logic based on the facts available.

Do you know something that the media is leaving out?

Insult without an argument. You seem to not understand how winning debates works.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2025, 01:45:59 PM »
Insult without an argument. You seem to not understand how winning debates works.

Since you almost never win, I would be correct in saying,
"You seem to not understand how winning debates works"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2025, 01:55:15 PM »
Since you almost never win, I would be correct in saying,
"You seem to not understand how winning debates works"

Okay Charlie Sheen

changemyoil66

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2025, 01:57:15 PM »
Insult without an argument. You seem to not understand how winning debates works.

I'm not insulting you, I'm stating a fact.  If you're not competent enough to realize this, then I apologize if I have made you think that you're dumb.

FYI, you don't know how "winning debates" work.  Changing the subject, moving goal post, etc...doesn't work.

macsak

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2025, 01:57:45 PM »
that post wasn't meant for you...

I wouldn't use the term bribe (without evidence of criminal tit for tat) but no side gives that much money for nothing. We didn't spend billions in Qatar out of good will, we got something out of it. If we are getting something perfectly legitimate in trade for the "gift" then it would make sense to say so because that will make it look like a deal. Painting it as a gift, something for nothing, makes it look shady. That is why I asked what Qatar is getting out of it.

macsak

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2025, 02:05:39 PM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2025/05/14/qatar-747-trump/
Why The Qataris Are Happy To Dump Their 747 On Trump

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2025, 02:07:50 PM »
I'm not insulting you, I'm stating a lie

FIFY

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2025, 02:12:06 PM »


Thanks.
I wish he gave a little more detail on the negotiation he referred to but at least I know what you are talking about.  :thumbsup:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2025, 02:29:29 PM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2025/05/14/qatar-747-trump/
Why The Qataris Are Happy To Dump Their 747 On Trump
Qatar bought the 747 in 2012 and used it until 2020.  That's only 8 years of service.

Meanwhile, the current AF1 has been in service for over 40 years.

No matter how anyone tries to paint this in a negative light, AF1 has been in service 5 time longer, and their 747 is ready to be delivered now ... not years from now.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2025, 02:57:01 PM »
FIFY

I see you're still in fairy tale land.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Qatar to give Trump/USA Boeing 747 to use for Air Force One.
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2025, 11:58:00 PM »
I'm not insulting you, I'm stating a fact.  If you're not competent enough to realize this, then I apologize if I have made you think that you're dumb.

FYI, you don't know how "winning debates" work.  Changing the subject, moving goal post, etc...doesn't work.

Wrong, try again.