Venezuela (Read 7728 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2026, 02:40:09 PM »
please show me where they needed congressional approval of this action...

Article I, Section 8, Clause 11:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; . . .
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hvybarrels

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2026, 02:44:42 PM »
A friend is in this celebration, along with the entirety of her family and their entire neighborhood, celebrating Maduro's capture. She can confirm the CIA did not buy her clothes or a US or Venezuelan flag, since you deleted your original comment.

I changed my comment because I realized these are Americans in America. It remains to be seen what the Venezuelans in Venezuela really think about this, and since we are still in the fog of war it will probably take a few weeks for independent journalists to get down there and find out.
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Q

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2026, 02:52:42 PM »
I changed my comment because I realized these are Americans in America. It remains to be seen what the Venezuelans in Venezuela really think about this, and since we are still in the fog of war it will probably take a few weeks for independent journalists to get down there and find out.

My friend isn't American and has never been to America. Her family has lived in Venezuela for generations and no Americans live in her neighborhood.

It's almost as if people are trying to find any reason to make this seem like it's worse than it really is, when the people who should be angry are literally celebrating in the streets.

hvybarrels

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2026, 02:58:36 PM »
My friend isn't American and has never been to America. Her family has lived in Venezuela for generations and no Americans live in her neighborhood.

It's almost as if people are trying to find any reason to make this seem like it's worse than it really is, when the people who should be angry are literally celebrating in the streets.

Hopefully it works out well for the people down there, but our history of military adventures typically end in disaster for the countries we invade as while simultaneously stripping Americans of our freedom and prosperity.
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macsak

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2026, 03:10:03 PM »
it was an arrest, not a war...

Article I, Section 8, Clause 11:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; . . .

macsak

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2026, 03:11:05 PM »
there are videos on social media of thousands in the streets celebrating...

I changed my comment because I realized these are Americans in America. It remains to be seen what the Venezuelans in Venezuela really think about this, and since we are still in the fog of war it will probably take a few weeks for independent journalists to get down there and find out.

Q

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2026, 03:15:52 PM »

hvybarrels

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2026, 03:27:53 PM »
it was an arrest, not a war...

It was a capture on foreign soil

Just because everyone else broke the law doesn’t make it right. In fact lawlessness is a sure fire way to end a nation, and the fact that Trump seems to be throwing his campaign promises out the window makes me think that we don’t have long.
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zippz

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2026, 03:28:41 PM »
If Trump can make Venezuela successful again, it'll stop most of the illegal immigration with many returning there.

Q

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2026, 03:34:23 PM »
It was a capture on foreign soil

Just because everyone else broke the law doesn’t make it right. In fact lawlessness is a sure fire way to end a nation, and the fact that Trump seems to be throwing his campaign promises out the window makes me think that we don’t have long.

Maduro has had a warrant for narco-terrorism on him since March 2020.

Let's hear more from a Venezuelan on the issue:

https://x.com/ryangerritsen/status/2007597870711775452?s=20

https://x.com/Chicago1Ray/status/2007563247860260937?s=20

hvybarrels

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2026, 03:35:57 PM »
there are videos on social media of thousands in the streets celebrating...

Sounds familiar

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/09/international/worldspecial/celebration-in-baghdad-us-forces-reach-central.html

I’m willing to be wrong but we will get a better sense of what is really going on in the coming weeks
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changemyoil66

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2026, 03:36:03 PM »
Being the leader of the United States is the most difficult job in the world. 

Damn if you do, and damn if you don't.

This is why I think President Trump is a great leader.  He does what he feels needs to be done.

Making decisions is the hardest part of leadership.  Not everyone will agree with what you have decided.

And the harshest criticism comes from those who only see one side of the total spectrum.
Its a lot easier if the fake news covers for u. Trump has huge balls to do what he does as no action is the right action if one has TDS.

Theyre literally protecting drug people, illegal aliens, etc....

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changemyoil66

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2026, 03:37:02 PM »
“Nicolas Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, have been indicted in the Southern District of New York,” she explained in a post on X. “Nicolas Maduro has been charged with Narco-Terrorism Conspiracy, Cocaine Importation Conspiracy, Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices, and Conspiracy to Possess Machineguns and Destructive Devices against the United States. They will soon face the full wrath of American justice on American soil in American courts.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrats-melt-down-over-capture-and-arrest-dictator-maduro

Charging him with machine guns is really bizarre and conflicts with this administration’s pro 2a rhetoric. Plus the sdny is a kangaroo court. WTH is even going on right now?
I found that odd too abt the machine guns.

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hvybarrels

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2026, 03:44:10 PM »
On the plus side the dems and media hate it, so there’s a chance Trump foiled a CIA/CCP scheme.

https://www.kitv.com/news/politics/hawaii-politicians-react-to-trump-s-unconstitutional-military-escalation-in-venezuela/article_f565efcf-eaa3-4525-955d-19b12c4ce89f.html

I was also wrong about how Trump handled Iran  by fake bombing them just to make Israel shut up and behave itself. That was a masterful maneuver.

We will see how this works out
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macsak

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2026, 04:34:10 PM »
45 indicted him in 2020
biden did not retract the indictment
in fact, he tried to point out that trump did not act on the indictment leaving millions to suffer (which he then did for 4 more years)

It was a capture on foreign soil

Just because everyone else broke the law doesn’t make it right. In fact lawlessness is a sure fire way to end a nation, and the fact that Trump seems to be throwing his campaign promises out the window makes me think that we don’t have long.

macsak

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2026, 04:35:03 PM »
so you now admit it was a capture, not a war?
goalposts moved...

It was a capture on foreign soil

Just because everyone else broke the law doesn’t make it right. In fact lawlessness is a sure fire way to end a nation, and the fact that Trump seems to be throwing his campaign promises out the window makes me think that we don’t have long.

ren

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2026, 04:47:55 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2026/01/04/hawaii-leaders-condemn-us-strike-venezuela/

U.S. Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) criticized the president for putting the American people and interests at risk for oil profits.

“President Trump is jeopardizing American lives and interests — and stating plainly that the purpose is for U.S. oil companies to make money in Venezuela," he said in a statement. “Either these companies knew about these plans in advance, or he’s ordering corporations to be a part of his effort to overthrow another government.”


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QUIETShooter

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2026, 05:18:27 PM »
President Trump reminds me of General Patton.

Full speed ahead.  Act swiftly, decisively, and with brutal aggression.

To our 4 clowns from Hawaii who we sent to Washington DC:

Maybe if you dems were to support legal immigration there would be more money to go around.  Because of your relaxed immigration stance, the Somalis in Minnesota have frauded the American taxpayers out of billions of dollars.  Your once vice-presidential candidate is a fuckin retard who was either too clueless to realize what was happening or is complicit with the deceit.

And who knows, maybe this fraud is also happening in other states as well.

That's a lot of money that could have helped the American people.  You know, with the "high" cost of living and medical expenses you dems are blaming on other people when you folks are the very ones that caused this.

So STFU.
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hvybarrels

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2026, 05:34:20 PM »
so you now admit it was a capture, not a war?
goalposts moved...

The goalposts are already wide enough that I could literally kick in any direction and still score.
Hostile actions on foreign soil are all illegal unless congress approves.
The whole point was to prevent our nation from becoming an empire and bankrupting itself.
Too late I guess,

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macsak

Re: Venezuela
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2026, 07:06:39 PM »
it remains to be seen...



I changed my comment because I realized these are Americans in America. It remains to be seen what the Venezuelans in Venezuela really think about this, and since we are still in the fog of war it will probably take a few weeks for independent journalists to get down there and find out.