Hard to see, but the officer appears to retrieve the gun from the man's strong side holster.   Before they bring the man to the ground, I see his right hand touch his right side hip area.  He gets taken down.  Then his jacket comes up and one of the agents attempts to grab the gun from the 3 to 4 oclock waistband area while another one beats him on the head.  Then the third agent draws his gun and shoots shortly after the other grabs the gun and moves away.  The initial agent shooting should've seen the gun being taken away unless there was confusion and he thought the man had a gun in his hand.

Bad shoot.

Thanks for this.  A couple of things:

1. In the video after the first stupid cut away, it looks like he’s pointing a gun in his right hand - cell phone is not visible (to me anyway).  Later, as the agent engages him (both hands on comrade’s raised left arm, looks like a fight over the gun and a discharge, but it’s actually pepper spray.  I believe I was totally wrong in my interpretation up to that point - the gun was not drawn.

2. Wrong as I am so far, I guess I’ll risk making the same mistake again, and suggest the agent fired because they lost control of him: You can clearly see he’s managed to get his feet under himself and is beginning to stand up.  The agent likely didn’t see he was possibly disarmed at that point, and felt compelled to fire.

All of this is sick.  These agents need protection - now.

The full force of the government must come down on these treasonous, seditious, Democrat party insurrectionists.

They need to be put down like rabid animals.

My apologies for any misinformation I’ve injected into the discussion.

Clearly a bad shoot. One agent grabs the guys gun out of waistband and the other agent freaks out and pulls firearm. They shoot him after he is disarmed.

However if he was at home drinking coffee instead of impeding federal officers he’d still be alive. This is on the retarded media for lying about what ICE agents are actually doing. I still support ICE but this is bad.

Honestly you cant put the ICE at fault, would any one of you try to interfere with any sort of armed law enforement?  Also, he was resisting and once you have 5 cops in a scuffle hear "he has a gun!" it's game over. 

Honestly you cant put the ICE at fault, would any one of you try to interfere with any sort of armed law enforement?  Also, he was resisting and once you have 5 cops in a scuffle hear "he has a gun!" it's game over.

Oh I have no sympathy for this retard. The last thing you want to do as a CCW persons is to go and agitate federal agents while conducting operations. Everything is already tense and chaotic and adding a firearm into the mix is as stupid as it gets. But the optics on this are terrible and if we don’t want to get dog walked in the midterms these type of things can’t happen. It does us no good to try and spin this like liberals do, need to take the L and move on.

https://www.kitv.com/news/national/hawaii-government-reaction-to-man-shot-dead-by-federal-immigration-officer-in-minneapolis/article_afeb749b-7e4f-415b-af16-7c97f996f586.html

Derek Turbin, Chair of the Democratic Party of Hawaii. "I stand in solidarity with the brave patriots in Minnesota, protesting the violent and illegal occupation by ICE. ICE must leave Minnesota now."

Says spawn of Marx.

"I stand in solidarity with the brave patriots of ICE in Minnesota, arresting criminal illegal aliens while fending off the violent and illegal occupation of the Democrat party and its paid insurrectionists.  The Democrat party and it’s criminal hoard must leave the United States now.”

FIFY, you maggot.

Says spawn of Marx.

"I stand in solidarity with the brave patriots of ICE in Minnesota, arresting criminal illegal aliens while fending off the violent and illegal occupation of the Democrat party and its paid insurrectionists.  The Democrat party and it’s criminal hoard must leave the United States now.”

FIFY, you maggot.

What do you think Trump would call him?

Derelict Turdbin?

Referring back to the video I shared (reply #16) at 9:00 minutes to approximately 9:45 of the video even though it is just speculation I think this scenario is the reason the guy got shot and killed.

Taking into account that it was a melee and so many things were happening at once, if you go back and watch the video of the agent that took the first shot, it is highly probable he did not know that the other agent already took away the gun and was walking away.

Like the lawyer speculated, all it takes is to hear the word "gun!" and officer training already kicks in.  You don't have to physically see the gun to act.  It is reasonably perceived that there is an immediate threat and action must be taken.

Whoever thinks that agent knew the gun was taken away and murdered the guy anyway is a f*ckn dumbass idiot.

And people are saying to Kristi Noem "This shouldn't have happened" as if the Federal agents actions were at fault.

No.  They are correct that it shouldn't have happened.  But they are wrong if they think it's the fault of the ICE agents.  The fault lie with walz and fey for their rhetoric and their failure to employ their LE to control the crowds.  And to that poor stupid fool that felt he had to act on their rhetoric, as if the whole world's problems lie on his shoulders.  Well, he FAFO.  Rest in Peace.

Referring back to the video I shared (reply #16) at 9:00 minutes to approximately 9:45 of the video even though it is just speculation I think this scenario is the reason the guy got shot and killed.

Taking into account that it was a melee and so many things were happening at once, if you go back and watch the video of the agent that took the first shot, it is highly probable he did not know that the other agent already took away the gun and was walking away.

Like the lawyer speculated, all it takes is to hear the word "gun!" and officer training already kicks in.  You don't have to physically see the gun to act.  It is reasonably perceived that there is an immediate threat and action must be taken.

Whoever thinks that agent knew the gun was taken away and murdered the guy anyway is a f*ckn dumbass idiot.

And people are saying to Kristi Noem "This shouldn't have happened" as if the Federal agents actions were at fault.

No.  They are correct that it shouldn't have happened.  But they are wrong if they think it's the fault of the ICE agents.  The fault lie with walz and fey for their rhetoric and their failure to employ their LE to control the crowds.  And to that poor stupid fool that felt he had to act on their rhetoric, as if the whole world's problems lie on his shoulders.  Well, he FAFO.  Rest in Peace.

I agree.

As much as ICE has every reason to hate these stinging insects (estimate my contempt…), I do not believe any of them are murderers - they do not go out to shoot anyone, but if left no other choice in their view, they will fire to protect themselves / others.

Just like everyone on this forum.

Those organizing and inciting this insurgency are the murderers here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/air-force-veteran-who-was-alex-pretti-s-patient-2-weeks-ago-recalls-how-the-nurse-comforted-and-helped-him-exclusive/ar-AA1UWHGy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=69768e88d1b14795b33f0aad2e344f16&cvpid=b9486fd58be74907897fbe7c5cc8c52b&ei=32

I'm pretty sure this guy was a normal, decent guy. 

But he was doing the Kyle Rittenhouse.  Unwanted, not needed, and generally being a worthless pain in the a$$, and GETTING IN THE WAY.

Kyle got lucky.  He was not.





Check out @ 10:05 of this video.  Highlights common sense.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/air-force-veteran-who-was-alex-pretti-s-patient-2-weeks-ago-recalls-how-the-nurse-comforted-and-helped-him-exclusive/ar-AA1UWHGy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=69768e88d1b14795b33f0aad2e344f16&cvpid=b9486fd58be74907897fbe7c5cc8c52b&ei=32

I'm pretty sure this guy was a normal, decent guy. 

But he was doing the Kyle Rittenhouse.  Unwanted, not needed, and generally being a worthless pain in the a$$, and GETTING IN THE WAY.

Kyle got lucky.  He was not.





Check out @ 10:05 of this video.  Highlights common sense.

Kyle was also not fighting with law enforcement.

Kyle was also not fighting with law enforcement.

And somehow everyone he shot was a sex offender

And somehow everyone he shot was a sex offender

Kyle wasn't protesting anything, nor was he counter-protesting anyone.  He was putting himself where he could help anyone who needed it regardless of which side they were on.  He offered medical assistance to injured people.  He helped move a blazing dumpster away from buildings to protect them from damage.  And for his efforts, at least one person trying to cause damage was angry at him and decided to attack him.  That's the first person he shot.  He then ran toward where he knew law enforcement was positioned, but then others started yelling that he shot someone and they need to "get him!"

That's when he was surrounded and both skateboard guy and bicep boy were shot -- as he defended himself.  He then made it to where the police were to turn himself in.

That's much different than positioning yourself between officers/agents and a person they are confronting, essentially obstructing them from doing their jobs.

Any similarities between Alex Pretti and Kyle Rittenhouse are purely superficial and inconsequential.  This argument is a red herring meant to distract and obfuscate using someone the Right supported.  It's a very bad analogy.

It might be a bad analogy but in my opinion, both were in places they shouldn't be, regardless of their motive.

Yes, Kyle wasn't fighting LE, he was trying to be either Batman or Robin.  And Pretti should have been on the sidelines, protesting, yelling, blowing whistles and waving signs instead of doing what he was doing.

Pretti might have been left leaning, and Kyle probably leans toward the right, but to me they are the same.  Two people that weren't needed, nor wanted.

This sums it up

If you think you have problems imagine being Sig Sauer right now.

The world’s most notorious gun that they refuse to take responsibility for might have just started Civil War 2.0

I look at these factors:

1) The context of the situation. ICE has been targeted by liberals constantly. WHich means, there's an extra risk of harm from them.  Let's not forget that the person they're going after may too try to harm them.
2) Before the interaction, he was in the road shouting and filming.  So he was no longer "peaceful" as he wasn't just on the sidewalk exercising his 1A right.  Being in the road changes things.
3) "Fog of War". It's easy to QB things and slow vids down after the fact. But at the time, things happen quickly.  All that's known is someone yells gun. He was resisting, and noise pollution.

Given all the above IMO, legal use of deadly force.

Had Alex not been there as his parents recommended or had he been on the sidewalk and not trying to aggitate ICE, had he listened to ICE, he would be alive.

There should be nothing illegal about legally CCWing and exercising your 1A.  But once he chose to go into the road, that began the downward spiral.

That's why I think Kash Patel is wrong.  Nothing wrong with having a concealed firearm for self-protection.

But that is exactly what the firearm is for.  Pretti should have stayed withing the boundaries of peaceful protest, yelling, whistles, waving signs, but not impeding the operations.  He could have filmed with his cellphone from the sidelines.

He would have been fine, and alive today.

But he was confrontational. 

Aiee-yaaa.  Pau already.  RIP.

Kyle Rittenhouse did the patriotic thing, he went out and tried to help his community.  Nowadays we just say to call 911 to let police handle it or that's what insurance is for.  In the Revolutionary days, there was no one to call and everyone in the community was responsible to help with emergencies whether it's a fire, riot, or war.  We follow the same principles in the 2A community be able to defend and help ourselves and others, do something about it, and not rely on the government.  That's what he did.

Pretti was said to be a protest observer and it appeared to be the case from what we see at the beginning of the video.  Only thing he did was get between the agents and the woman then resist arrest.  Minor crimes likey leading to just a fine and a couple days in jail.  The allegations made by the DOJ about his CCW are absurd and a coverup.  I like what ICE is doing in deporting the illegals, but they are way too agressive and that mentality led to this shooting.

I've held rallys before and this kind of stuff scares me.  If police were to get really agressive and break up a rally with CCW attendees and a person gets shot for no reason.

Kyle Rittenhouse did the patriotic thing, he went out and tried to help his community.  Nowadays we just say to call 911 to let police handle it or that's what insurance is for.  In the Revolutionary days, there was no one to call and everyone in the community was responsible to help with emergencies whether it's a fire, riot, or war.  We follow the same principles in the 2A community be able to defend and help ourselves and others, do something about it, and not rely on the government.  That's what he did.

Also when Rittenhouse 1st interacted with PD, he raised his hands in the air.  He wasn't even ordered to do so.  But he knew this would help.

Pretti was said to be a protest observer and it appeared to be the case from what we see at the beginning of the video.  Only thing he did was get between the agents and the woman then resist arrest.  Minor crimes likey leading to just a fine and a couple days in jail.  The allegations made by the DOJ about his CCW are absurd and a coverup.  I like what ICE is doing in deporting the illegals, but they are way too agressive and that mentality led to this shooting.

I've held rallys before and this kind of stuff scares me.  If police were to get really agressive and break up a rally with CCW attendees and a person gets shot for no reason.

Prior to this, he was in the road filming/yelling at ICE vehicles.  This is the start of him no longer peaceful/legal protest.