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Title: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 13, 2018, 07:36:47 AM
What would be your choice for a SHTF battle rifle?  For battle rifle, meaning something in the .308 ball-park.

Have been reading a book about life after a wide spread EMP took out power and resulted in the wide-spread decline of society and such.  Part of the story is the realization that no only does firearm ownership make a difference, but so does firearm choice.  The ownership range from the "I don't believe in guns" types, to guns for hunting and plinking, and to some hard core prepper types and even community militia.

Anyways, one of the main characters has an FAL and he has found that it has served him well in many situations and has proven an excellent rifle for him in many regards.  Both in capacity as a semi-auto as well as in caliber, which plays in to effective range.  Got me thinking about what I would want to have.  Besides my ARs, I currently only own a bolt action .308. 

While I would live something like an nice FAL or even an HK G3, I think I would go with an M1A.  I've always wanted a Springfield M1A and I think it would be a good choice.  Rugged rifle, proven performer, good capacity with mags, accurate with irons, etc.  Of course an AR10 would be on the list for me, but I've just always wanted an M1A. 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Drakiir84 on June 13, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
If you were making me pick a .308 it would be an FAL or HK91.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 13, 2018, 08:06:07 AM
If you were making me pick a .308 it would be an FAL or HK91.
Don't have to be .308.  Just something more than 5.56 and 7.62x39, at least in terms of range and "powah". 

I was thinking .308 based on ammo availability.  In the book, another character is an avid shooter and reloads.  While that's always available for stuff like 6.5 and 6.8 (and more), the characters are also finding out that volume of ammo is important. 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Drakiir84 on June 13, 2018, 08:08:11 AM
Don't have to be .308.  Just something more than 5.56 and 7.62x39, at least in terms of range and "powah". 

I was thinking .308 based on ammo availability.  In the book, another character is an avid shooter and reloads.  While that's always available for stuff like 6.5 and 6.8 (and more), the characters are also finding out that volume of ammo is important.

"Battle rifle's" are generally .308's aren't they??  And I'd prefer the FAL over the G3/91.  Better trigger imo ;-)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 13, 2018, 08:48:48 AM
"Battle rifle's" are generally .308's aren't they??  And I'd prefer the FAL over the G3/91.  Better trigger imo ;-)
I was thinking .308, but you asked if you had to stick with .308.  Didn't want to limit your choices.   :thumbsup: 

While I generally think of .308 for battle rifles, I believe 30-06 and other "full powered" rifles (8 mm and others) are also considered part of that group.  Tomayto, tomahto. . .

Anyways, a friend bought a DSA FAL last year.  He initially had a couple of problems, but he got them sorted out.  I've seen the top cover end plate section fail on one FAL as SSG maybe 4-5 years ago.  Other than that, they've been awesome guns. 

I also wouldn't mind a Galil in 7.62x51. 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Drakiir84 on June 13, 2018, 10:20:57 AM
I was thinking .308, but you asked if you had to stick with .308.  Didn't want to limit your choices.   :thumbsup: 

While I generally think of .308 for battle rifles, I believe 30-06 and other "full powered" rifles (8 mm and others) are also considered part of that group.  Tomayto, tomahto. . .

Anyways, a friend bought a DSA FAL last year.  He initially had a couple of problems, but he got them sorted out.  I've seen the top cover end plate section fail on one FAL as SSG maybe 4-5 years ago.  Other than that, they've been awesome guns. 

I also wouldn't mind a Galil in 7.62x51.

Yeah man, a Galil Ace in either 308 or 7.62x39 has been on my list for a while.  "Like an AK but better" ;-)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: fishandshoot on June 13, 2018, 01:10:30 PM
 Dpms pattern LR308 not gen 2
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 13, 2018, 01:52:52 PM
Dpms pattern LR308 not gen 2
That's a pretty interesting rifle.  SS bull barrel and pretty slick basic configuration. 

Optic? 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: dustoff003 on June 13, 2018, 01:55:24 PM
only picking from my collection I'd go with my PTR-91
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 13, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
If SHTF, any firearm will do.  There will be a point where ammo will be depleted.  So what ever you have ammo for.  Since the military/PD uses 223/556 way more than 308, then 1 would assume that there will be more of those types of rounds to scavenge.   Same with 9mm.  But you never know.  You might be walking around and find a 20mm anti-tank rifle and ammo.  So then you will use that once all other choices are gone.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 13, 2018, 02:04:25 PM
only picking from my collection I'd go with my PTR-91
Excellent choice! 

And what if you didn't have to choose from your collection?  Not that you don't already have excellent choices in your collection.  Not quite that I was thinking for battle rifle for this thread, but I would love to own a Rasheed or Hakim!
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: dustoff003 on June 13, 2018, 04:47:43 PM
Excellent choice! 

And what if you didn't have to choose from your collection?  Not that you don't already have excellent choices in your collection.  Not quite that I was thinking for battle rifle for this thread, but I would love to own a Rasheed or Hakim!

I have a running wanted to buy list and off of that in the battle rifle category chambered 7.62 NATO in no order I'd go with these a FAL, as you mentioned above a Galil ACE https://iwi.us/product/gar1651/, some model of M1A and possibly a Saiga rifle. Then there are these wild dreams not in 7.62 NATO Noreen Long Range Assassin in .30-06 https://onlylongrange.com/bn36x3-long-range-270-25-06-30-06/ and this big gal of a rifle in modified .45-70 https://www.phoenixweaponry.com/complete-weapons/christine.html.

Considering ammo availability, parts availability, low cost of surplus mags, after market mod parts, the ability to mount optics and the ability to convert to .22 LR, I'd stay with the PTR-91. The PTR-91 can shoot both .308 Win and 7.62 NATO, there are plenty of surplus parts and new manufactured parts to make a parts survival kit, surplus mags are usually $5 cheap as compared to FAL mags, the rifle can be modernized and modified there are a lot of parts for it and its rather modular, some rifles come with rails welded on top if not there are surplus STANAG mounts and scopes, German Military .22 LR drop in caliber conversion kit  https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-G3-22-CONVERSION-KIT-30p2036.htm

Let me know which Sunday morning to bring the Egyptians and their Swedish father/grandfather for you to enjoy.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: fishandshoot on June 13, 2018, 06:56:05 PM
That's a pretty interesting rifle.  SS bull barrel and pretty slick basic configuration. 

Optic?

Actually, it would be highly modified from the Oem configuration. Set up would be based on the urban fighting in the PI in the battle of marawi https://youtu.be/_4zXI0X8Brc (https://youtu.be/_4zXI0X8Brc)
https://youtu.be/eD4A1pT4_ck (https://youtu.be/eD4A1pT4_ck)

18’’ Rainer arms barrel
SSE trigger
Suppressed
Leupold  Mark 4 high mag scope, FLIR attachment
DD freefloat rail


Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 13, 2018, 09:54:48 PM
This has been on my short list to buy one day soon. 

Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad

https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/m1a-scout-squad/

https://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series/


It's more compact than the M1/M1A, has an upgraded design, and comes in a variety of wood and polymer stocks.


(https://i.imgur.com/WDQhqKq.png)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: newguy86 on June 13, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
I just have my ruger 10/22 takedown and  walter ppq, both loads  of mags and alot of rounds for both, havent had the time to pick up another rifle
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 14, 2018, 07:31:12 AM
Actually, it would be highly modified from the Oem configuration. Set up would be based on the urban fighting in the PI in the battle of marawi

18’’ Rainer arms barrel
SSE trigger
Suppressed
Leupold  Mark 4 high mag scope, FLIR attachment
DD freefloat rail
Ahh.  That list of MODs sounds pretty SHTF ready.  FLIR!!!
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 14, 2018, 07:33:21 AM
This has been on my short list to buy one day soon. 

Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad

https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/m1a-scout-squad/

https://www.springfield-armory.com/m1a-series/


It's more compact than the M1/M1A, has an upgraded design, and comes in a variety of wood and polymer stocks.


(https://i.imgur.com/WDQhqKq.png)
I haven't looked into available M1A variants lately, but I'm down with a basic version.  Though the scout versions I think would be awesome in SHTF.  I was leaning toward a polymer stock version, but the classic wood stock always appealed to me.  If I had more $$$, I'd go with a polymer stock version with an optic and a classic wood stock version and shoot with irons. 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 14, 2018, 07:40:15 AM
I just have my ruger 10/22 takedown and  walter ppq, both loads  of mags and alot of rounds for both, havent had the time to pick up another rifle
While given the context of SHTF, you gotta go with what you got. 

One line of thought for this thread was the main character in the book and his realization of firearm choices and utility pre-SHTF and during SHTF.  And building on that was the realization that many prepper type folks stocked up on 5.56 and 7.62x39 rifles, but that those who had battle rifles (.308 and the like) had some advantages in more than a few situations.  Are they essential?  I guess it depends.

The other line of thought was that gun owners often like to discuss what they would get, firearm fantasies and such.  This thread is much like that with a specific reason or scenario to add justification for getting a new gun.   ;D
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 14, 2018, 11:20:06 AM
I have a running wanted to buy list and off of that in the battle rifle category chambered 7.62 NATO in no order I'd go with these a FAL, as you mentioned above a Galil ACE https://iwi.us/product/gar1651/, some model of M1A and possibly a Saiga rifle. Then there are these wild dreams not in 7.62 NATO Noreen Long Range Assassin in .30-06 https://onlylongrange.com/bn36x3-long-range-270-25-06-30-06/ and this big gal of a rifle in modified .45-70 https://www.phoenixweaponry.com/complete-weapons/christine.html.

Considering ammo availability, parts availability, low cost of surplus mags, after market mod parts, the ability to mount optics and the ability to convert to .22 LR, I'd stay with the PTR-91. The PTR-91 can shoot both .308 Win and 7.62 NATO, there are plenty of surplus parts and new manufactured parts to make a parts survival kit, surplus mags are usually $5 cheap as compared to FAL mags, the rifle can be modernized and modified there are a lot of parts for it and its rather modular, some rifles come with rails welded on top if not there are surplus STANAG mounts and scopes, German Military .22 LR drop in caliber conversion kit  https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-G3-22-CONVERSION-KIT-30p2036.htm

Let me know which Sunday morning to bring the Egyptians and their Swedish father/grandfather for you to enjoy.

Ahh, yeah.  The 7.62 NATO vs .308 Win is something I forgot.  I just recall that for my Rem 700, the feedback was that generally any reputable/quality commercially produced 7.62 NATO should be safe in my Rem 700.  But didn't think about impact on a semi-auto.  IIRC, there are slight differences in pressure as well as headspace.  Anyways, another thing to consider.  I've only shot .308 Win in my Rem 700 and have never checked the headspace. 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: davgdavg on June 14, 2018, 03:45:19 PM
SHTF and for me, I want 5.56. More rounds, lighter carry, easier for all my family (women and kids I mean) to shoot accurately, should something happen to me. Also keep in mind that there is no Geneva in that scenario so any bullets are fair game. This is often overlooked. 5.56 that's not fmj will do plenty of damage, especially if keeping somebody from walking towards you is enough...

You are not going to be fighting against well armed troops. Mostly you are going to be fending off people who want your schtuff and hunting small-ish game. .308 serves no purpose in that kind of scenario where you are not actively looking to take down people from +-500 yards or hunting deer, etc. IMO.

But if it has to be .308, gimme an M1A. Never tried a SCAR17, but those look pretty reliable too.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 14, 2018, 03:56:46 PM
SHTF and for me, I want 5.56. More rounds, lighter carry, easier for all my family (women and kids I mean) to shoot accurately, should something happen to me. Also keep in mind that there is no Geneva in that scenario so any bullets are fair game. This is often overlooked. 5.56 that's not fmj will do plenty of damage, especially if keeping somebody from walking towards you is enough...

You are not going to be fighting against well armed troops. Mostly you are going to be fending off people who want your schtuff and hunting small-ish game. .308 serves no purpose in that kind of scenario where you are not actively looking to take down people from +-500 yards or hunting deer, etc. IMO.

But if it has to be .308, gimme an M1A. Never tried a SCAR17, but those look pretty reliable too.
I generally agree with your first para, But for this thread, the question wasn't really about best SHTF rifle, but if you had to choose a larger caliber.  Well, at least larger than 5.56. 

Good point on the different ammo types. 

I've shot the SCAR 17 quite a bit and I think it's definitely accurate, dependable and rugged.  I've seen it beat up so many optics.  I was told that it was due to the violent way that the bolt sort of jars the gun forward and down upon going back into battery.  I would think that then would apply to most semi-auto .308 rifles.  But something about that it was noticed more in the SCAR 17.  I think Mrgunsngear also had a video on the SCAR that mentioned the same thing.  Dunno the truth of the matter, but in the SSF, I've noticed that the years we had SCAR 17, the optics either worked free or started failing. 

Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Inspector on June 15, 2018, 10:47:03 AM
If I have to engage for longer ranges (200-600 yards) I will choose my AR in 5.56. But if I have to become mobile and/or I am having to shoot at closer distances (100 yards or less) I really like my AR in 300 BLK.

If I have to defend my house from the minah's and the 'grets then my lightweight 10/22 would be my goto gun.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 15, 2018, 10:55:31 AM
If I have to engage for longer ranges (200-600 yards) I will choose my AR in 5.56. But if I have to become mobile and/or I am having to shoot at closer distances (100 yards or less) I really like my AR in 300 BLK.

If I have to defend my house from the minah's and the 'grets then my lightweight 10/22 would be my goto gun.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
What if you needed, or wanted, more than 5.56? And doesn’t necessarily need to be a gun that you already own.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Inspector on June 15, 2018, 02:50:04 PM
What if you needed, or wanted, more than 5.56? And doesn’t necessarily need to be a gun that you already own.
Just saw some surplus Barrett .50 BMG semi auto for $7,500. Is that big enough?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: ren on June 15, 2018, 03:01:15 PM
(https://vgy.me/BFm3LG.jpg)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 15, 2018, 08:48:10 PM
Just saw some surplus Barrett .50 BMG semi auto for $7,500. Is that big enough?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I was thinking >600. Not quite >1000. Haha
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Inspector on June 16, 2018, 05:35:33 AM
I was thinking >600. Not quite >1000. Haha
My favorite all time cartridge (Besides the .22 LR) is the 30’06. I know there are better and more powerful cartridges out there. So maybe a Winchester Model 70 featherweight. Or a Ruger #1. Or a Tikka T3 Superlite. Or a Browning X-Bolt. Springfield 1903A4..... Sorry, can’t decide.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 16, 2018, 06:31:31 PM
My favorite all time cartridge (Besides the .22 LR) is the 30’06. I know there are better and more powerful cartridges out there. So maybe a Winchester Model 70 featherweight. Or a Ruger #1. Or a Tikka T3 Superlite. Or a Browning X-Bolt. Springfield 1903A4..... Sorry, can’t decide.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Get one or each. Test them out head to head!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: ren on June 16, 2018, 06:51:43 PM
Get one or each. Test them out head to head!  :thumbsup:

heads
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: macsak on June 16, 2018, 07:06:35 PM
heads


 :thumbsup: :worship: :wave: :shake: :geekdanc: :shaka: O0 8) ;)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 16, 2018, 07:15:58 PM

 :thumbsup: :worship: :wave: :shake: :geekdanc: :shaka: O0 8) ;)
Lights out at eleven!
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: macsak on June 16, 2018, 07:20:22 PM
Lights out at eleven!

Wapner's on  at seven!
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Bota-CS1 on June 18, 2018, 09:56:45 PM
If I could get my hands on one, probably the Galil Micro in 7.62 NATO.  Small, compact, easy to maneuver, lighter than an the ARM in 7.62NATO.  Practically speaking, I'd go with the SCAR 17S.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Inspector on June 19, 2018, 05:15:13 AM
Wapner's on  at seven!
Damn, that’s an old reference to something most people here won’t understand.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 19, 2018, 06:48:48 AM
If I could get my hands on one, probably the Galil Micro in 7.62 NATO.  Small, compact, easy to maneuver, lighter than an the ARM in 7.62NATO.  Practically speaking, I'd go with the SCAR 17S.
That Galil would be awesome! 

Have you shot the SCAR 17?  I've shot it here and there and it seems like a very accurate rifle.  However, I've heard reports of and also seen first hand how they seem to beat up optics that are mounted on them.  Many guess that it's the mass of the bolt that is causing the issues.  That said, it doesn't affect the iron sights.   ;D
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 19, 2018, 06:49:34 AM
Damn, that’s an old reference to something most people here won’t understand.
Aren't you already in bed by 7?  Or at least having your glass of warm milk. . .  ;D

(kidding)

 :rofl: :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Inspector on June 19, 2018, 07:04:21 AM
Aren't you already in bed by 7?  Or at least having your glass of warm milk. . .  ;D

(kidding)

 :rofl: :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
In 1982 I was in a bad motorcycle accident and broke my back, 4 vertebrae in my lower back and one in my upper back. After spending quite a few weeks in the hospital and 3+ months at home I was totally bored. While I was at home recovering, the highlight of my day was getting together with some of my friends (who still lived with their parents and didn't work) at Wapner parties. Yes, we would get drunk/stoned and watch Wapner dish out his form of justice on TV. He was the BEST.  :thumbsup:  Though I have to admit I love Judge Judy as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W02dIP0ro60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W02dIP0ro60)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: stangzilla on June 19, 2018, 08:01:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9L8fntsJ8
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Rocky on June 19, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Damn, that’s an old reference to something most people here won’t understand.
Yeah, well "Dad always lets me back the car out down the driveway" he says to his brother  8)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: ren on June 19, 2018, 04:26:16 PM
this thread is like the Firearms Fantasies thread
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 20, 2018, 07:34:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9L8fntsJ8
Never heard of the Tavor 7. I like the Tavor in 5.56 and 9, so a 7.62x51 version would be good too.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Tom_G on June 20, 2018, 04:50:56 PM
Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: ren on June 20, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Hey just what you see pal!
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: stangzilla on June 22, 2018, 12:45:17 PM
if we're talking zombie apocalypse, then i'll take one of these too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWq2QvvPw68
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2018, 01:26:49 PM
Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
That’s a lot more modern than I thought your preference would be.  ;D
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2018, 01:28:56 PM
if we're talking zombie apocalypse, then i'll take one of these too
Cheating again!  ;D

Was just watching Predators this morning. That Russian guy is classic. 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: stangzilla on June 23, 2018, 02:09:00 PM
Cheating again!  ;D

Was just watching Predators this morning. That Russian guy is classic.

You ain't cheating, you ain't trying.  :D
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Tom_G on June 23, 2018, 04:25:18 PM
That’s a lot more modern than I thought your preference would be.  ;D

Well, it goes without saying I'll take the walnut and iron model!
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2018, 04:36:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Hz2Aven.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TtJYXGG.jpg?1)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: ren on June 23, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Hz2Aven.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TtJYXGG.jpg?1)

Those were issued to Terminators not the Resistance so Im not sure if theyd work
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: ren on June 23, 2018, 05:32:33 PM
if we're talking zombie apocalypse, then i'll take one of these too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWq2QvvPw68

That would be heavy to carry WITH ammo
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2018, 05:45:42 PM
Those were issued to Terminators not the Resistance so Im not sure if theyd work

The Tech-Com unit that John Connors lead used the Westinghouse M-27 Phased Plasma Pulse Rifle.  They are the only humans that seemed to have these weapons or the technology to use them.

Most resistance units used weapons designed and built by the resistance. Makes sense. Different weapons for different targets. Humans are much easier to kill than machines, particularly terminators.

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Westinghouse_M-27_Phased_Plasma_Pulse_Rifle
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: rklapp on June 26, 2018, 10:45:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEZntmqZws
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: jerry_03 on June 27, 2018, 10:48:17 PM
I'll take the Mosin, comrade. Preferably model of 1944 carbine that has built in pig sticker.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 28, 2018, 06:51:20 AM
I'll take the Mosin, comrade. Preferably model of 1944 carbine that has built in pig sticker.
Da  ;D

Are you going with the Mosin for the availability of the 7.62x54R?  Don't want to venture into the semi-auto category?  Like an M1 Garand or M1A? 
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: dustoff003 on June 28, 2018, 11:00:58 AM
Da  ;D

Are you going with the Mosin for the availability of the 7.62x54R?  Don't want to venture into the semi-auto category?  Like an M1 Garand or M1A?

SVT-40!!!
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on June 28, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
SVT-40!!!

I could go for one of those!  Is 7.62x54R pretty cheap and easy to find these days?  I've heard about a lot of the cheap stuff can be corrosive, but just rinse and go, right?   ;D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/SVT-38_-_Ryssland_-_AM.045576.jpg)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: stangzilla on June 29, 2018, 07:41:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC9ZXuC7zok
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 29, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
What's the point with being able to regulate the gas for the Tavor 7?

InB4 Tavor 50...
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: stangzilla on June 29, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
What's the point with being able to regulate the gas for the Tavor 7?

InB4 Tavor 50...

to use a suppressor? 
I'm not quite sure.  remember, I'm the revolver guy.   :D
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 29, 2018, 04:56:23 PM
to use a suppressor? 
I'm not quite sure.  remember, I'm the revolver guy.   :D

That was my guess.

Adjustable gas systems are intended for two things AFAIK: adding/removing suppressors, and differences in ammo used.
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: ren on June 29, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
(https://www.range365.com/sites/range365.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/images/2015/07/terminatorguns_1.png?itok=VTuq_5aW)

(https://www.range365.com/sites/range365.com/files/styles/1000_1x_/public/images/2015/07/terminatorguns_8.png?itok=xU7mjKVK)
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: drck1000 on July 03, 2018, 08:19:35 AM
(https://ssocarmamentco.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/sac_sr25_poster_v1_05.jpg)

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/e/e0/HK417_12MOD.jpg/400px-HK417_12MOD.jpg)

One can dream. . .
Title: Re: SHTF "Battle Rifle" - What Would You Choose?
Post by: mangosteenqueen on July 08, 2018, 08:35:02 PM
By popular definition of a battle rifle being a 308,
I would go with a PTR91/G3 or whatever variant of the same thing, except with Spuhr furniture, picatinny rail with optic of choice.
Has significantly less recoil and significantly lighter in weight, slick, all  while maintaining unsurpassed reliability.