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General Topics => Events => Topic started by: drck1000 on June 04, 2018, 02:22:34 PM
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It's that time of year again. Less than two weeks away. Father's Day weekend and usually see a lot of families coming out an enjoying the shooting sports together. Plenty of opportunities to volunteer as well.
http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/2018/04/19/2018-shooting-sports-fair/
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I'm bringing my dad.
My mom wants to come too, but she's one of those "umbrella aunties". So IDK.
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I'll be on Handguns.
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I'm bringing my dad.
My mom wants to come too, but she's one of those "umbrella aunties". So IDK.
Cool. Will be a great way to spend Father's Day with the family. Hope your mom comes out and finds that she enjoys the shooting sports as well. There's usually not much space to hang out and cruise in the shade, so maybe an umbrella and a beach chair. ;D
I'll be on Handguns.
I signed up for ARs & AKs, but I usually never know where I'll end up until Sat morning.
How's the traffic on FB looking?
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Cool. Will be a great way to spend Father's Day with the family. Hope your mom comes out and finds that she enjoys the shooting sports as well. There's usually not much space to hang out and cruise in the shade, so maybe an umbrella and a beach chair. ;D
I signed up for ARs & AKs, but I usually never know where I'll end up until Sat morning.
How's the traffic on FB looking?
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Not bad.
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Cool! Good work on that!
Maybe I should invite my state Rep (Saiki) and Senator (Galuteria). . . ;D
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Sorry I don't share this type of things on any of my social media accounts.
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SSF is this weekend. There's a range clean up session this Friday for another opportunity to volunteer. If you want to volunteer, please email HRA or hit me or Drakiir up and we'll point you in the right direction.
Mac - Does HDF have a tent again this year?
It's a really fun weekend that supports the local shooting community. Plenty of opportunity to try many different firearms in a rare opportunity in Hawaii to try before you buy.
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What are the age requirements for the event? Wanted to take the family but unsure if my 6 year old can attend.
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What are the age requirements for the event? Wanted to take the family but unsure if my 6 year old can attend.
I believe they can certainly attend, just a matter of if and what they can shoot. I'm not positive, but I believe 6 yo is BB only. Not sure what the cut off age is for .22 lr. I believe partially KHSC rules as well as even rules.
Hey Drakiir - Any info on this?
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Hey drck, you posted this for last years event, should be still good right.
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I just committed for Sunday we’ll see where I end up.
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Hey drck, you posted this for last years event, should be still good right.
Thanks! Forgot about that. Yeah, should be good.
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I just committed for Sunday we’ll see where I end up.
.308s! :thumbsup:
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.308s! :thumbsup:
I requested to hang out with the cool kids at handguns😁
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I requested to hang out with the cool kids at handguns😁
Do you mean Drakiir is a cool kid? ???
:rofl:
Always need people at handguns. Those lines can get crazy!
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Do you mean Drakiir is a cool kid? ???
:rofl:
Always need people at handguns. Those lines can get crazy!
The coolest kid obviously. And yeah, always need people at handguns, especially individuals with knowledge about firearms that can streamline customers into shooting what they want to shoot. Believe it or not, a decent amount of our volunteers love supporting the 2A without having that much knowledge about guns.
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Range setup tomorrow starting at 11 am I believe. I'm planning on heading out there in the afternoon.
I haven't seen the volunteer list, but we can always use volunteers. While experience with firearms is great, there's plenty of opportunity to help out if you don't or for those who have significant others, kids, etc who don't have experience with firearms. This is actually a pretty good opportunity for a first experience as there will be dozens of firearms instructors as well as a wide variety of firearms to try.
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Sorry guys I wont be able to volunteer for this one. Gotta go help with the volcano stuff.
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Do you have an estimate script price per rifle? This way I know how much cash to bring.
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Do you have an estimate script price per rifle? This way I know how much cash to bring.
Around 1 or 2 rounds per dollar depending on what you're shooting. Bigger stuff costs a bit more.
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I'll probably buy in 50 scripts for starters.
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I'll probably buy in 50 scripts for starters.
Think you'd be able to shoot a bunch of ARs & AKs with that amount. The .308 and 30-06 guns are more. I think they usually allow 2-10 round mags when it isn't busy. Can do more if the lines are shorter. 50 scripts probably get you around 5-10 round mags. 5 round mags are available too.
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I'll spend what ever my dad wants. He is one of those who aren't totally anti-2a, but anti "assault rifles". He isn't a protestor either. Just when asked his 2 cents, he gives it. So his mind can be changed. (Insert Charlie Kirk meme).
He is reading Tom Clancy books now and ask me many questions about M4's, Glocks, suppressors, etc... So I'm hoping this will help him understand more about assault rifles and the differences between civilian and military rifles. He asked if it was ok to go Costco after since I told him about our "places to keep law" when he takes us to the airport for Vegas. He even feels that's a stupid law. I'm not bringing anything to KHSC tomorrow so told him we can go Costco after.
His question was "what if you have to take a major dump?". Told him, you better shit your pants then.
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Range setup tomorrow starting at 11 am I believe. I'm planning on heading out there in the afternoon.
I haven't seen the volunteer list, but we can always use volunteers. While experience with firearms is great, there's plenty of opportunity to help out if you don't or for those who have significant others, kids, etc who don't have experience with firearms. This is actually a pretty good opportunity for a first experience as there will be dozens of firearms instructors as well as a wide variety of firearms to try.
I won't be able to volunteer this year. Have fun and be safe this weekend. :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
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I'll spend what ever my dad wants. He is one of those who aren't totally anti-2a, but anti "assault rifles". He isn't a protestor either. Just when asked his 2 cents, he gives it. So his mind can be changed. (Insert Charlie Kirk meme).
He is reading Tom Clancy books now and ask me many questions about M4's, Glocks, suppressors, etc... So I'm hoping this will help him understand more about assault rifles and the differences between civilian and military rifles. He asked if it was ok to go Costco after since I told him about our "places to keep law" when he takes us to the airport for Vegas. He even feels that's a stupid law. I'm not bringing anything to KHSC tomorrow so told him we can go Costco after.
His question was "what if you have to take a major dump?". Told him, you better shit your pants then.
I'm sure he'll have a great time. After he's hooked, bring him to the open shoot next weekend.
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I won't be able to volunteer this year. Have fun and be safe this weekend. :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
Well, feel free to swing by Sun am and say hello.
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Well, feel free to swing by Sun am and say hello.
Thanks for the invite. I wish I could I could go. I have to work today (Saturday) which means I have a whole day of chores and errands I need to do on Sunday. Also, I am having a little landscaping work done at the house and he will be working Sat and Sun and I need to be available during both days as he does his work. I finally found a hard working, reliable person to do yard/landscaping work for me. Found him through HomeAdvisor.com. He charges a little more than I want to pay but being reliable and ambitious has got to be worth something. So he is worth it just for doing a good job and being a man of his word. Funny side note, everytime it comes for me to pay him, his wife shows up with their child in another car. As soon as I give him his fee, he walks it over to the wife and gives it to her. I’m sure there is a story behind it. I can only imagine. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Work trip got cancelled so ill be working the pistol tables today. Getting setup for the busy day. Bring your friends today.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180616/0eceb5ac5292e2a6614e7bf43cc149ee.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180616/136e6d10eb12731409f1adc19c36c292.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180616/3a74afbf965e2c54e895d93ad43ff8cc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180616/7d5e21b1567e24103fe400da44c87a1f.jpg)
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Fun first day. Not sure of the attendance numbers, but was busy in the morning and then thinned out in the afternoon. Sunday is usually busier than Saturday with many family enjoying Father’s Day weekend at the range.
Weather was awesome for shooting and shaved ice! Another day tomorrow!
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Co-workers had fun today, bringing other friends tomorrow
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Dad had fun. This was the 2nd time he shot. Last time was 20 years ago.
He tried the AK and AR. He sees them in the movies and wanted to check it out.
Tried the Glock because HPD uses it and in Tom Clancy novels
1911 in 45. He didn't like the kick. Seen this in WWII movies
SAW, loved it. Told him next time we go Vegas, full auto is way more fun
Beretta m9 cause the military uses it and sometimes in his Tom Clancy books
Benelli M2
SIG pistol, again mentioned in books he reads
So seems like he wanted to try what he sees on TV/books. He also asked when movies show the good guy shooting 1 handed while running, is that possible? Now he knows how difficult it is, so it's mainly BS.
His overall fav was the SAW. HUGE thanks to the RO that spotted his squib load when on the Ruger 9mm. That could have ended very badly and would have pushed him more on the anti 2a side.
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The wife shot a 44 mag and the BAR. She wants a revolver now.
I shot the UMP45. That was fun. I would buy a sub-machine gun if we didn't need that 16in barrel.
Mainly we were there so dad could shoot.
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Sunday was much busier than Saturday, but overall didn't seem as busy as previous years. Still great turnout though as it was steady for most of the day. Got to see many familiar faces from previous years as well as quite a few 2aHawaii folks. Always good to see first time shooters getting introduced to shooting sports as well as families sharing shooting together. Many families came through my line to shoot the same gun and that was always fun.
As I discussed with a few folks, in many regards I learn more about shooting observing others. That includes in classes/training and also SSF. You get to see tendencies and how they affect shooting performance as well as see some interesting things when guns are "well used". Will likely start another thread on the subject, but I saw a 300 BLK lower rendered inoperable due to debris from a blown primer.
Overall another successful and fun event. No injuries that I am aware of. Seemed like many folks got to enjoy the event. Those that attended as well as volunteered.
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Mayor Caldwell came with his daughter on Saturday and they had a great time. This isn't the first SSF that the Mayor attended but this time around they showed a lot more interest in being educated about firearms and learning more. I applaud anyone that can open their mind to see the other side and avoid the politics involved.
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Mayor Caldwell came with his daughter on Saturday and they had a great time. This isn't the first SSF that the Mayor attended but this time around they showed a lot more interest in being educated about firearms and learning more. I applaud anyone that can open their mind to see the other side and avoid the politics involved.
Baby steps.
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Baby steps.
don't get your hopes up, guys...
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don't get your hopes up, guys...
I never do lol.
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don't get your hopes up, guys...
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Mayor Caldwell came with his daughter on Saturday and they had a great time. This isn't the first SSF that the Mayor attended but this time around they showed a lot more interest in being educated about firearms and learning more. I applaud anyone that can open their mind to see the other side and avoid the politics involved.
Caldwell, daughter and Ken Ito came by and shot with us. The daughter was apprehensive to shoot the AR and AK. After sorne coaching and encouragement, she seemed to enjoy it. Not quite a gun enthusiast, but not afraid of them anymore.
Had a good (albeit short) conversation with both Caldwell and Ito when I had a break for lunch. Yeah, I sensed a genuine interest in being educated. I had seen both at SSF and other HRA events before, but ever really interacted with them that much before.
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Caldwell, daughter and Ken Ito came by and shot with us. The daughter was apprehensive to shoot the AR and AK. After sorne coaching and encouragement, she seemed to enjoy it. Not quite a gun enthusiast, but not afraid of them anymore.
Had a good (albeit short) conversation with both Caldwell and Ito when I had a break for lunch. Yeah, I sensed a genuine interest in being educated. I had seen both at SSF and other HRA events before, but ever really interacted with them that much before.
ken ito used to shoot with the cowboy shooters
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ken ito used to shoot with the cowboy shooters
Was he any good? ;D
He’s shot at fun shoots a bunch of times, but I don’t remember if he was a good shooter.
On a different note, I heard an ad for SSF on 98.5 Sat morning. First time I heard a radio ad for the event. Thought I don’t really listen to music radio that much.
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Mayor Caldwell came with his daughter on Saturday and they had a great time. This isn't the first SSF that the Mayor attended but this time around they showed a lot more interest in being educated about firearms and learning more. I applaud anyone that can open their mind to see the other side and avoid the politics involved.
Probably want to see what we think is fun so they can ban it.
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Took the family to shoot on Sunday, As always they have fun.
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Lessons Learned from SSF
The SSF is great for sharing shooting sports with those new to shooting to those who have been shooting for years. It's also a great experience to test how guns perform after hundreds or in some cases thousands of rounds. It's also great to observe shooting tendencies and how that translate on shooting performance.
Here are some observations from SSF.
1) It's amazing at how a little thing can total disable a firearm. A .300 BLK rifle started acting up Saturday afternoon. It started with not being able to put the gun on safe (AR lower), then the trigger reset was delayed. In the process of a quick clean of the upper and lower, the trigger eventually got stuck with the hammer all the way down. The hammer was cocked, trigger pulled and then pressed back down manually and it just froze after it bottomed out in the lower, before it could reset. Eventually, we sprayed some Ballistol on the FCG and the hammer worked free. We guessed some debris had been causing the issue, so I turned the lower over and sure enough, a piece of the primer fell out. It was a sort of star shaped piece of metal.
2) Not sure why, but new shooters (and some experienced shooters) have a tendency to lean back from the waist when shooting. It's something we deal with regularly with new shooters who take the basic pistol class and it's something that usually is quite easily corrected. That said, it always seems like when you try to get people to "lean forward" when shooting, they inevitably just take a step forward. :facepalm: Then there are some where you are able to get them into a more forward leaning position, to have them gradually revert to the leaning back position. Is that more comfortable or something?
3) I spent most of my time at the SSF on the AR and AK lines. One thing I noticed was how much slower the reciprocating bolt of the SCAR moved compared to the AR and AK. I have read about the heavy bolt of the SCAR and something about it is supposed to help with functioning when the bolt gets dirty. Something about the extra mass is supposed to help the bolt go back into battery in a dirty gun. Not sure if that's true, but that's what I found in my research. Anyways, I could literally see daylight each time the SCAR bolt reciprocated, whereas the AR and AK seemed to be much faster. Even faster yet was the speed of the Sig 556R/7.62x39 bolt. That got me thinking about cyclic rates for the auto versions and I think the AK and SCAR are both listed as 600 rpm. With the SCAR bolt seeming to move much slower than the AK bolt in semi-auto, that got me wondering how different they are in full-auto.
4) Knew that TV and video games influence what folks want to try at the SSF. This year was no exception. Seemed like the SCAR was a really popular gun. In speaking with some of the loaders (two girls actually), they mentioned that they knew of the SCAR from from first person shooter game and something about that the SCAR is the most powerful gun available on that game. Anyways, the SCAR had spurts of almost constant firing that the handguard got too hot for folks to handle without gloves. Hell, there were points where the gun was so hot that it was even uncomfortable to handle with gloves on. I was wearing Camelbak gloves similar to the basic Mechanix gloves.
5) The AKs in my line did NOT like brass cased 7.62x39. I believe it was all factory ammo. Anyways, they would have a bunch of misfeeds that seemed like the tip of the bullet head (Mac?) bent and the round was left stuck in an almost L-shape. The shape of the deformed round also left the sides of the case rim torn. I asked multiple folks if those were reloads and they all said it was supposed to be factory ammo. Not sure which manufacturer though. For most of the AK ammo, it was Red Army. That stuff functioned flawlessly in all of the AKs on my table and didn't hear of any problems with other AKs. Can't speak to accuracy though.
6) There are many folks who attend the SSF with what they think is an open mind, but they are really closed minded in many regards. To the point where they are so frozen with fear that they can't get themselves to shoot an AR without shaking in fear. Most of them calm down quickly after the first shot and they realize the recoil isn't much at all. But there are so many that have the "I can't" stuck in their mind.
7) Over the course of two days, many of these guns take a beating. I'm not one to really do torture tests on my firearms, but some of these guns really get beat on. Most of the ARs and AKs ran really well. One was actually quite dry and we didn't notice until we were doing some quick cleaning Saturday evening in preparation for Sunday. I was actually this particular AR hadn't showed any ill effects. The whole BCG was dry, dry, dry.
8) The male ego is a interesting thing. Many times I came across the "I know what I'm doing" or "I got this" macho guy. One insisted that he load the AR himself. Ok. As long as you keep muzzle pointed down range and otherwise safe, rock on. So I gave him the mag. He insert into the magwell and sent the bolt home. First round, trigger click and mag fell to the ground. He tried again. Inserted the mag and pulled the charging handle. First round, click. I think he didn't pull the charging handle all the way back. At least he seated the mag. Then there was a family of two daughters, wife and husband. They shot in the order of youngest to oldest with the guy shooting last. Both girls and wife had never shot before so I helped them get setup, find red dot, etc. They proceeded to get good hits. Then when it came time for the husband, he gave me the "I got it" thing. Ok, right on. I see him shoulder the gun and it looks like he's aiming about 2 feet above the target rack. I mention something and he gives me a stink eye and another "I got it". Ok, right on. He then proceeds to send all 10 rounds into the berm above the target rack. After each shot, he's prairie dogging and looking to see where his hits were. Couldn't use dot being off as his daughters had been shooting well. When he was done, his daughter asked him how he did and he muttered a sheepish "it was fun".
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2) Not sure why, but new shooters (and some experienced shooters) have a tendency to lean back from the waist when shooting. It's something we deal with regularly with new shooters who take the basic pistol class and it's something that usually is quite easily corrected. That said, it always seems like when you try to get people to "lean forward" when shooting, they inevitably just take a step forward. :facepalm: Then there are some where you are able to get them into a more forward leaning position, to have them gradually revert to the leaning back position. Is that more comfortable or something?
That's how you regularly stand. Flat on both feet, balanced center of gravity- arms out, torso back.
3) I spent most of my time at the SSF on the AR and AK lines. One thing I noticed was how much slower the reciprocating bolt of the SCAR moved compared to the AR and AK. I have read about the heavy bolt of the SCAR and something about it is supposed to help with functioning when the bolt gets dirty. Something about the extra mass is supposed to help the bolt go back into battery in a dirty gun. Not sure if that's true, but that's what I found in my research. Anyways, I could literally see daylight each time the SCAR bolt reciprocated, whereas the AR and AK seemed to be much faster. Even faster yet was the speed of the Sig 556R/7.62x39 bolt. That got me thinking about cyclic rates for the auto versions and I think the AK and SCAR are both listed as 600 rpm. With the SCAR bolt seeming to move much slower than the AK bolt in semi-auto, that got me wondering how different they are in full-auto.
SCAR is quoted at 600 rnds/min. Most rifles and machine guns have similar rates of fire for controlability.
6) There are many folks who attend the SSF with what they think is an open mind, but they are really closed minded in many regards. To the point where they are so frozen with fear that they can't get themselves to shoot an AR without shaking in fear. Most of them calm down quickly after the first shot and they realize the recoil isn't much at all. But there are so many that have the "I can't" stuck in their mind.
I didn't have much issues with this. Had a couple people ask but was a non-issue.
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8) The male ego is a interesting thing.
Reminds me of the carnival game at the 50th state fair, where you toss the baseball at the 3 milk cans. A younger guy with his girlfriend did the whole baseball windup pitch and missed everything 5 times. I walked up with one ball and did a simple slow throw like I didn't care and knocked all 3 cans out. That was so funny when I was celebrating next to him.
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2) Not sure why, but new shooters (and some experienced shooters) have a tendency to lean back from the waist when shooting. It's something we deal with regularly with new shooters who take the basic pistol class and it's something that usually is quite easily corrected. That said, it always seems like when you try to get people to "lean forward" when shooting, they inevitably just take a step forward. :facepalm: Then there are some where you are able to get them into a more forward leaning position, to have them gradually revert to the leaning back position. Is that more comfortable or something?
Would it be better to ask them to first "bend the knees" then add further corrections (lean forward, widen stance, etc.)? I brought two groups of people to the SSF, one on each day, and took pictures for all of them. My observation: most brought the weapon to ready with straight knees and fired from that stance. From the static position pre-firing, I think leaning back helps to balance the extra weight of the pistol/rifle in front. "Lean forward" takes them off balance, so the step forward is a common instinct. If their knees were bent, shooters could be better balanced to handle weight shifts and recoil.
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That's how you regularly stand. Flat on both feet, balanced center of gravity- arms out, torso back.
Your natural stance is torso back?
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1) SCAR is quoted at 600 rnds/min. Most rifles and machine guns have similar rates of fire for controlability.
2) I didn't have much issues with this. Had a couple people ask but was a non-issue.
3) Reminds me of the carnival game at the 50th state fair, where you toss the baseball at the 3 milk cans. A younger guy with his girlfriend did the whole baseball windup pitch and missed everything 5 times. I walked up with one ball and did a simple slow throw like I didn't care and knocked all 3 cans out. That was so funny when I was celebrating next to him.
1) Yes, that’s what I read on the interwebs too. My observation was that the cycling of the SCAR bolt was much slower than the AK bolt. At least in semi-auto. I could see a distinct moment of daylight when the SCAR bolt cycled. The AK was much faster and the Sig even more so. The Sig was so fast I couldn’t even notice the ejection.
2) You were on handguns, right?
3) You must be a mathematical genius or something like that.
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Would it be better to ask them to first "bend the knees" then add further corrections (lean forward, widen stance, etc.)? I brought two groups of people to the SSF, one on each day, and took pictures for all of them. My observation: most brought the weapon to ready with straight knees and fired from that stance. From the static position pre-firing, I think leaning back helps to balance the extra weight of the pistol/rifle in front. "Lean forward" takes them off balance, so the step forward is a common instinct. If their knees were bent, shooters could be better balanced to handle weight shifts and recoil.
To clarify, in general, the goal of SSF is to get folks to shoot as many firearms as we can. Not really meant for instruction. Yes, we spend more time with folks when things are slower, but not as much when it’s crazy. As long as they are safe, all good.
For the lean forward thing, I’m generally not touching them. I say to lean forward and most take a step forward. If I see them with rearward lean, I’ll show them what I mean by a forward lean. But many don’t. I assume many are so focused on shooting that they aren’t really listening to much other than that.
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stance depends on what kind of shooting
Highpower standing:
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She's a US Palma Team member - knows a "bit" about shooting
Ranger from 75th
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Bullseye pistol stance:
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For target shooting, the most productive piece of advice was NOT to stand shoulder width apart. Stand comfortably.
Of course every guy is a gun expert when females are around. Peacock feathers get displayed, chests are pushed out. Stories of being a high speed operator on a classified moon mission come out.
How you express your ego is the factor in learning
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stance depends on what kind of shooting
Highpower standing:
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She's a US Palma Team member - knows a "bit" about shooting
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Bullseye pistol stance:
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For target shooting, the most productive piece of advice was NOT to stand shoulder width apart. Stand comfortably.
Ahh. Yeah, I get that kind of stance. Get some air rifle team kids come through and then shoot like that. Good to go!
I’m more talking more squared off and leaning back. I assume it’s prob due to trying to balance the weight of the gun.
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Your natural stance is torso back?
If your arms are out forward carrying something, yes.
Like this...
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My father was one of those lean backers with the shotty. I explained the leaning forward with the "getting pushed by someone" reference. And the fact that Mrs. Change can shoot it like a champ. Then he was like "lets try this again, LEEEROOOYYY JENNNKINNNSS". But this wasn't the time to really teach property technique. I just didn't want him to be afraid of the shotty. I didn't fix any other platform techniques.
For the ego, I've been to many carnivals and scene this. Probably did it myself when I was 15 (young, dumb, full of cum). Then as I got older, I didn't care. Just tossed it. But I was a baseball player also so that added fuel to the fire. But this is why also I have to remind myself when talking instruction or listening to advise "ears open, mouth shut" philosophy.
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My father was one of those lean backers with the shotty. I explained the leaning forward with the "getting pushed by someone" reference. And the fact that Mrs. Change can shoot it like a champ. Then he was like "lets try this again, LEEEROOOYYY JENNNKINNNSS". But this wasn't the time to really teach property technique. I just didn't want him to be afraid of the shotty. I didn't fix any other platform techniques.
For the ego, I've been to many carnivals and scene this. Probably did it myself when I was 15 (young, dumb, full of cum). Then as I got older, I didn't care. Just tossed it. But I was a baseball player also so that added fuel to the fire. But this is why also I have to remind myself when talking instruction or listening to advise "ears open, mouth shut" philosophy.
Yeah, the shotty is one gun where how the stock is placed in the shoulder as well as stance is important to not getting pushed around or having to be beat up if it can be avoided. I had done the defensive shotguns in the past and the pumps can beat up people a little when they don't have a good control of the stock into their shoulder.
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Shooting Sports Fair 2019 will not be held on Father's Day weekend . . . will be weekend of July 20 & 21.