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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: drck1000 on August 08, 2022, 01:21:10 PM
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Share your experiences and recommendations for closed emitter RDS for pistols.
Just ordered a Holosun EPS Carry from Midway. Signed up for notification over the weekend and got the notification some came in stock this morning.
Have been researching a lot more about pistol RDS, particularly for a Glock 43x that I bought recently. The EPS Carry is one that is for the "slim" Glocks, but also have been researching a lot of the Aimpoint, Steiner, and Holosun 509T for full sized handguns a lot lately. Good feedback from some YTers as well as a trusted instructor friend. Know a couple of members here picked them up recently as well.
It will be a couple of weeks until I have both the gun and RDS to test, but already looking forward to trying both.
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U gotta slow down, wait for me. I gotta rds first. At least im 1 step closer by having an optics ready gun.
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U gotta slow down, wait for me. I gotta rds first. At least im 1 step closer by having an optics ready gun.
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Wait? Uh, always progressing. May be slow and sporadic progression at times, but progression.
You have the gun. Just pick a dot and run with it. Don't worry so much about what is best, main things get experience.
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Wait? Uh, always progressing. May be slow and sporadic progression at times, but progression.
You have the gun. Just pick a dot and run with it. Don't worry so much about what is best, main things get experience.
If I get HI CCW, then guaranz gonna RDS. This will be the hold up cause if no CCW's are issued, then the Shield will be a safe queen. And I dont plan on RDSing my SB pistols cause would have to mill and IMO I wanna keep the M45 the way it is. The VP9 not too much of a worry about keeping stock.
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Just rolled my coin jug. Could buy almost 1 optic, but im gonna blow on 1 hand of a game in vegas. Double up or go broke.
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Just rolled my coin jug.
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That's what thats all about.
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Just rolled my coin jug. Could buy almost 1 optic, but im gonna blow on 1 hand of a game in vegas. Double up or go broke.
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I'll stake you one hand, split it if you win :crazy:
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Ill start new thread.
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Saw 1 YTer that isn't famous, like maybe he had a few thousand views. But his draw from CCW is good. So he's not some random untrained guy. He mentions he likes the closed emitters because he's cleaning his open emitter daily from lint and stuff. I forgot which one he's currently running, but it's on his P365X.
Now the closed emitter is peaking more of my interest. But still leaning toward the 507K. I def don't want an Acro as it is way too bulky for the Shield.
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Saw 1 YTer that isn't famous, like maybe he had a few thousand views. But his draw from CCW is good. So he's not some random untrained guy. He mentions he likes the closed emitters because he's cleaning his open emitter daily from lint and stuff. I forgot which one he's currently running, but it's on his P365X.
Now the closed emitter is peaking more of my interest. But still leaning toward the 507K. I def don't want an Acro as it is way too bulky for the Shield.
I've been seeing a lot more videos on the EPS lately, but many "YT goobers" and even click-bait. One was on rants of EPS, but mostly on delay in release. He threw in criticisms of Holosun reticles, but that was in general. Anyways, have to always filter the noise to get to the signal. Was watching a video on the P320 with Sig Romeo and the "expert shooters" were ranting on an on about poor shooting because of the trigger. They were getting roasted on the comments.
The occlusion of the emitter is something I noted. I had training/class sessions in the rain and experienced range of emitter blockage to the multiple image thing.
Agree that the ACRO is bulky, but seems to be one of the toughest, well tested, etc. Overall, I think the EPS will be a good balance. Will see when I get mine.
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I'm more old style.
I had a C-More railway reflex sight on my Volquartsen pistol, but got rid of the sight (and gun).
I wish I had that Volquartsen Ruger MKIII pistol though.....
Also had an Ultradot HD micro rds, but sold that too.
I have an Aimpoint T-1 on a Larue QD mount which I use on my SW M41. Looks kinda .... either you like it or don't like it........
I would really like an Aimpoint Acro P2, but I'm not really into pistol shooting at the moment.
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I'm more old style.
I had a C-More railway reflex sight on my Volquartsen pistol, but got rid of the sight (and gun).
I wish I had that Volquartsen Ruger MKIII pistol though.....
Also had an Ultradot HD micro rds, but sold that too.
I have an Aimpoint T-1 on a Larue QD mount which I use on my SW M41. Looks kinda .... either you like it or don't like it........
I would really like an Aimpoint Acro P2, but I'm not really into pistol shooting at the moment.
I have a T-1 and CompM5 on a couple of rifles. Never tried them on a pistol, but I've seen them used in that way.
Yeah, the ACRO is bulky, but depends on purpose.
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I got the EPS Carry the other weekend. When going to install on my 48 MOS I noticed the screws were too long. I compared the EPS Carry to a 407K X2 and noticed it was .03 inch shorter where the mounting screws go. Cut the old screws down and filed to .03 inch shorter and was able to mount it properly.
I went to X-Ring on Saturday. They only had some 115gr HP, so I only shot 50rds trying to get a rough zero. The windage adjustment wasn't tracking correctly as I wasn't seeing a change when attempting to bring the shot group to the left. Messed with it at home and was able to see a shift in the dot position. Maybe I can hit up KHSC this weekend to zero it with 147gr stuff.
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My EPS Carry arrived today. Still waiting on the gun…
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I got the EPS Carry the other weekend. When going to install on my 48 MOS I noticed the screws were too long. I compared the EPS Carry to a 407K X2 and noticed it was .03 inch shorter where the mounting screws go. Cut the old screws down and filed to .03 inch shorter and was able to mount it properly.
I went to X-Ring on Saturday. They only had some 115gr HP, so I only shot 50rds trying to get a rough zero. The windage adjustment wasn't tracking correctly as I wasn't seeing a change when attempting to bring the shot group to the left. Messed with it at home and was able to see a shift in the dot position. Maybe I can hit up KHSC this weekend to zero it with 147gr stuff.
Shucks. Hope things turn out ok.
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Went to DCT last night and a friend picked up the SCS from David.
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I got the EPS Carry the other weekend. When going to install on my 48 MOS I noticed the screws were too long. I compared the EPS Carry to a 407K X2 and noticed it was .03 inch shorter where the mounting screws go. Cut the old screws down and filed to .03 inch shorter and was able to mount it properly.
I went to X-Ring on Saturday. They only had some 115gr HP, so I only shot 50rds trying to get a rough zero. The windage adjustment wasn't tracking correctly as I wasn't seeing a change when attempting to bring the shot group to the left. Messed with it at home and was able to see a shift in the dot position. Maybe I can hit up KHSC this weekend to zero it with 147gr stuff.
Does zeroing with 115 vs. 147gr matter big time? I mean, I shoot 115 range ammo, so I should use that to zero right? And know where my shots go when I use HD ammo.
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Does zeroing with 115 vs. 147gr matter big time? I mean, I shoot 115 range ammo, so I should use that to zero right? And know where my shots go when I use HD ammo.
Glock recommends shooting 124 gr or heavier ammo in their 9mm pistols. Heavier projectiles not only increase accuracy (more mass = less susceptible to forces of wind, etc.), they also create more force inside the gun, helping it to cycle as designed.
That's the theory, anyway. YMMV.
Glock was having ejection issues in most of their Gen 4 9mm pistols. The direction of the spent brass when ejected was sporadic, and it often flew into the shooter's face! We experienced this, so I contacted Glock. They suggested using the recommended bullet weight to see if that helped. I found out this was a widely known issue caused by the redesigned ejector and trigger parts for that gen. Eventually Glock started putting a newer ejector in these pistols, but never did a recall of the previous parts.
I replaced the trigger and associated parts with an upgrade kit, and the problem was about 90% fixed. Still got an occasional brass near the face, but it was rare.
Anyway, that's how I was informed of the 124 gr bullet recommendation directly from Glock.
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Went to DCT last night and a friend picked up the SCS from David.
Cool. Let us know what your friend thinks of the SCS.
My 43x slide came back last night, but still in permit purgatory. . .
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Does zeroing with 115 vs. 147gr matter big time? I mean, I shoot 115 range ammo, so I should use that to zero right? And know where my shots go when I use HD ammo.
verify, verify, verify
I mostly shoot 115 gr, but in the past few years have been shooting a lot more 124 gr range fodder. Had done a lot of testing with various pistols and POI from 115 gr range stuff to 124 JHP was spot on. Haven't chrono'ed, but since POI was same, that's all I checked. I have a chrono that can check pistol ammo too, and will check when I get back into loading up for pistol.
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Glock recommends shooting 124 gr or heavier ammo in their 9mm pistols. Heavier projectiles not only increase accuracy (more mass = less susceptible to forces of wind, etc.), they also create more force inside the gun, helping it to cycle as designed.
That's the theory, anyway. YMMV.
Glock was having ejection issues in most of their Gen 4 9mm pistols. The direction of the spent brass when ejected was sporadic, and it often flew into the shooter's face! We experienced this, so I contacted Glock. They suggested using the recommended bullet weight to see if that helped. I found out this was a widely known issue caused by the redesigned ejector and trigger parts for that gen. Eventually Glock started putting a newer ejector in these pistols, but never did a recall of the previous parts.
I replaced the trigger and associated parts with an upgrade kit, and the problem was about 90% fixed. Still got an occasional brass near the face, but it was rare.
Anyway, that's how I was informed of the 124 gr bullet recommendation directly from Glock.
Wow, I didn't know that. And 115gr is more plentiful in stores compared to 124gr. I forgot what the VP9 recommends, but I noticed when using 124gr, my grouping does open up slightly. But not enough to totally not buy 124gr. I shoot what ever is cheap.
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Glock recommends shooting 124 gr or heavier ammo in their 9mm pistols. Heavier projectiles not only increase accuracy (more mass = less susceptible to forces of wind, etc.), they also create more force inside the gun, helping it to cycle as designed.
That's the theory, anyway. YMMV.
Glock was having ejection issues in most of their Gen 4 9mm pistols. The direction of the spent brass when ejected was sporadic, and it often flew into the shooter's face! We experienced this, so I contacted Glock. They suggested using the recommended bullet weight to see if that helped. I found out this was a widely known issue caused by the redesigned ejector and trigger parts for that gen. Eventually Glock started putting a newer ejector in these pistols, but never did a recall of the previous parts.
I replaced the trigger and associated parts with an upgrade kit, and the problem was about 90% fixed. Still got an occasional brass near the face, but it was rare.
Anyway, that's how I was informed of the 124 gr bullet recommendation directly from Glock.
Learned something today! :shaka:
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Wow, I didn't know that. And 115gr is more plentiful in stores compared to 124gr. I forgot what the VP9 recommends, but I noticed when using 124gr, my grouping does open up slightly. But not enough to totally not buy 124gr. I shoot what ever is cheap.
I think you just hit on the reason why 115 gr is used most often -- cost.
When buying in bulk, the difference in cost is often small if any at all. But, buying by the retail box can cost a bit more.
Also, practicing requires a lot of repetitions. The smaller weight bullet fired 150-300 times in a range session might be less stressful to your body than 150 rds of a heavier weight bullet. I have to imagine there's more powder to propel the 124 gr bullet, but I'm not into reloading. If so, then that can translate into more pressure requiring more effort to control the gun. How much more effort, I can't say -- maybe insignificant for most.
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Does zeroing with 115 vs. 147gr matter big time? I mean, I shoot 115 range ammo, so I should use that to zero right? And know where my shots go when I use HD ammo.
Did a quick Googled search and it's fractions of an inch at around 10-15yds. Unsure of the actual difference between the 115gr Fiocchi stuff the range had vs the 147gr Federal HST that I have. If plan on carrying this handgun, I'd like to confirm optic zero for the ammo that I intend to use.
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Cool. Let us know what your friend thinks of the SCS.
My 43x slide came back last night, but still in permit purgatory. . .
What cut did you get for the 43X slide?
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What cut did you get for the 43X slide?
The rmr/holosun k footprint.
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Did a quick Googled search and it's fractions of an inch at around 10-15yds. Unsure of the actual difference between the 115gr Fiocchi stuff the range had vs the 147gr Federal HST that I have. If plan on carrying this handgun, I'd like to confirm optic zero for the ammo that I intend to use.
What is the velocity on the box?
The velocity on GD 124 gf (standard pressure) is decently hot.
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What is the velocity on the box?
The velocity on GD 124 gf (standard pressure) is decently hot.
1000fps
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Brought it out to dry fire while watching videos and surfing the interwebs the past few hours. About to put it away and noticed the buttons weren't responding. I couldn't adjust the brightness or turn it off.
Removed the reinstalled the battery. It works now. I think the shake awake feature glitched.
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Brought it out to dry fire while watching videos and surfing the interwebs the past few hours. About to put it away and noticed the buttons weren't responding. I couldn't adjust the brightness or turn it off.
Removed the reinstalled the battery. It works now. I think the shake awake feature glitched.
Damn. . . hopefully nothing major. I heard/read that Holosun's CS is pretty good.
I'm on the waitlist for fullsize EPS. Until then, I should be up and shooting with the EPS Carry in a little over a week.
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Brought it out to dry fire while watching videos and surfing the interwebs the past few hours. About to put it away and noticed the buttons weren't responding. I couldn't adjust the brightness or turn it off.
Removed the reinstalled the battery. It works now. I think the shake awake feature glitched.
Have you tried the shake awake to make sure it works too?
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Have you tried the shake awake to make sure it works too?
Not intentionally, but a few times I left the optic on overnight and noticed it was still on when picking up the holster and firearm.
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Not intentionally, but a few times I left the optic on overnight and noticed it was still on when picking up the holster and firearm.
U gotta set it down and look thru it without moving and make sure its off. Then grab like u need to, to see if the rds activares in time.
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U gotta set it down and look thru it without moving and make sure its off. Then grab like u need to, to see if the rds activares in time.
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No. I haven't checked. I assumed it worked like I mentioned before about leaving it overnight. Just haven't watched it go to sleep and the dot turn off.
Again, it was odd that the buttons weren't responding to inputs. I looked it up and there's a procedure to hold the '+' button for 5 seconds to reset the optic, but not sure if I did that combination. I figured the old trick of resetting by removing the battery would fix it, and it did.
If it happens again, I'll probably be in contact with Holosun.
Edit: Reading the manual online. It's possible I entered the lock out mode when messing with handgun.
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Holosun EPS Carry back in stock at Midway. At least the red MRS version. Will likely wait until Eurooptics has them back in stock for discount I have there. Otherwise, I'd be very tempted to pick up one.
Still on the lookout for an Aimpoint ACRO. Really interested in trying that one, especially after reading reviews of the P2 version.
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Still on the lookout for an Aimpoint ACRO. Really interested in trying that one, especially after reading reviews of the P2 version.
The P2 is still selling out really quick. Looks like limited numbers are being released to vendors. Best bet would be to pre-order one from Euro Optic and wait it out.
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The P2 is still selling out really quick. Looks like limited numbers are being released to vendors. Best bet would be to pre-order one from Euro Optic and wait it out.
Yeah. I am on notification for EO. I don't have the gun I would put it on, at least not yet. I saw the Steiner in stock, but not ready to go that direction yet. I should just go on backorder and be pleasantly surprised on notification.
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Edit: Reading the manual online. It's possible I entered the lock out mode when messing with handgun.
No focus.
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No focus.
I'm stubborn and don't read manuals unless something isn't acting right. Also not used to all the fancy shake-awake and lock out modes with random button combinations.
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I have experience with the ACRO P2 and 509T X2.
The 509T X2 has a slight magnification and reticle distortion (if using the circle dot only) when looking through the glass. Not enough to have me get rid of it or not get another one but I do notice it when trying to smack small steel at 100 meters on the silhouette side of Kokohead. In relation to the 508Ts that I own, distortion is only every so slightly worse, but honestly if I wasn't looking for it I don't think I would notice it. At the end of the day this reticle still let's me shred through the 50 meter targets pretty easily at the silhouette range. And when shooting with both eyes open, I feel every con I talked about is a moot point.
As far as the ACRO P2, hands down unbeatable as far as glass clarity and dot crispness. The ACRO sports a 3.5 MOA but the dot is so crisp and clean as far as looking the most "circular" that it actually looks the same size if not smaller than the 2 MOA "smudge" I see when I look through the 509T X2. I can't detect any magnification, nor notch filter/tint. After using and looking through it I can see that the price does indeed match the quality. Not saying you should be a sniper with a pistol but the quality of this pistol optic allows me to hit the smallest of steel at 100 meters on the silhouette range. The glass is that damn clear.
At the end of the day I am verring towards enclosed pistol optics all together. Not only do I like having the emitter protected but I do like that now when lint collects on the glass of the optic I no longer have to "finger" the inside lens to clean all that crap out. Its simply wipe the eye glass and objective glass and no lint or foreign debris has a chance on getting in the emitter.
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EPS (full size) in stock at Midway this morning. The EPS Carry that was in stock yesterday was the MRD version and it went pretty fast.
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I have experience with the ACRO P2 and 509T X2.
The 509T X2 has a slight magnification and reticle distortion (if using the circle dot only) when looking through the glass. Not enough to have me get rid of it or not get another one but I do notice it when trying to smack small steel at 100 meters on the silhouette side of Kokohead. In relation to the 508Ts that I own, distortion is only every so slightly worse, but honestly if I wasn't looking for it I don't think I would notice it. At the end of the day this reticle still let's me shred through the 50 meter targets pretty easily at the silhouette range. And when shooting with both eyes open, I feel every con I talked about is a moot point.
As far as the ACRO P2, hands down unbeatable as far as glass clarity and dot crispness. The ACRO sports a 3.5 MOA but the dot is so crisp and clean as far as looking the most "circular" that it actually looks the same size if not smaller than the 2 MOA "smudge" I see when I look through the 509T X2. I can't detect any magnification, nor notch filter/tint. After using and looking through it I can see that the price does indeed match the quality. Not saying you should be a sniper with a pistol but the quality of this pistol optic allows me to hit the smallest of steel at 100 meters on the silhouette range. The glass is that damn clear.
At the end of the day I am verring towards enclosed pistol optics all together. Not only do I like having the emitter protected but I do like that now when lint collects on the glass of the optic I no longer have to "finger" the inside lens to clean all that crap out. Its simply wipe the eye glass and objective glass and no lint or foreign debris has a chance on getting in the emitter.
Great feedback! I had a bunch of folks comment about the quality of glass and slight magnification of the RMRs. The blue tint is part of the battery life considerations, which was part of the "downfall" of the P1 version. The slight magnification doesn't bother me, but if there are better options available, all the better.
The blockiness of the ACRO does give me pause, but guess depends on primary/intended use.
I will have the EPS Carry on a gun and shooting soon, but I'm already very much on the closed emitter optics train. Just a matter of trying for myself first, especially now since I'm expanding my RDS pistol lineup.
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Put the EPS Carry on the 43x. Seems like a nice balance for a pistol that size. The window seems larger when on the gun for some reason. In dry fire, window is plenty big.
The compact body of the RDS makes securing the hex screws a little tougher. I usually use hex bits with a torque limiter. The back end of the housing makes using 1/4 hex bits tough to remove after tightening if the bit ends up with the pointy side on the body. So just used the supplied hex key.
This is the 2 moa version EPS Carry. The dot comes out a lot larger in the pic than to the naked eye. I’m the dot size seems like a good balance for the smaller window. Will shoot it and see, but I’m already wanting to the the EPS “regular” size on a Glock 19.
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Put the EPS Carry on the 43x. Seems like a nice balance for a pistol that size. The window seems larger when on the gun for some reason. In dry fire, window is plenty big.
The compact body of the RDS makes securing the hex screws a little tougher. I usually use hex bits with a torque limiter. The back end of the housing makes using 1/4 hex bits tough to remove after tightening if the bit ends up with the pointy side on the body. So just used the supplied hex key.
This is the 2 moa version EPS Carry. The dot comes out a lot larger in the pic than to the naked eye. I’m the dot size seems like a good balance for the smaller window. Will shoot it and see, but I’m already wanting to the the EPS “regular” size on a Glock 19.
I have the P365 (standard) and leaning towards the Acro P2. Wonder if the P365 is wide enough for P2 insofar as mounting......?
If not, then the EPS Carry would be a good one, but same question: Is the P365 wide enough for the EPS Carry?
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The compact body of the RDS makes securing the hex screws a little tougher. I usually use hex bits with a torque limiter. The back end of the housing makes using 1/4 hex bits tough to remove after tightening if the bit ends up with the pointy side on the body. So just used the supplied hex key.
I re-used the screws that came from CHPWS which were chamfered, so I was able to get them at a slight angle with an extension.
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I have the P365 (standard) and leaning towards the Acro P2. Wonder if the P365 is wide enough for P2 insofar as mounting......?
If not, then the EPS Carry would be a good one, but same question: Is the P365 wide enough for the EPS Carry?
I know the P365 goes well with the 507k and therefore also the EPS Carry.
I am considering the ACRO for either a G17 or in my (or a) P320. I can say for sure, but pretty sure the ACRO is too big for the P365. I guess you prob could find a way to get it milled or mount to work, but the ACRO is pretty wide.
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I re-used the screws that came from CHPWS which were chamfered, so I was able to get them at a slight angle with an extension.
Yeah, I noticed that. I used the screws that the shop that milled my 43x slide provided. The screws that came with the CHPWS plate looked about 3x as long.
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The CH screws are their custom made. Something like T3 screw with a T4 head.
Did the eps carry come with plates? I read somewhere that it does.
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I know the P365 goes well with the 507k and therefore also the EPS Carry.
I am considering the ACRO for either a G17 or in my (or a) P320. I can say for sure, but pretty sure the ACRO is too big for the P365. I guess you prob could find a way to get it milled or mount to work, but the ACRO is pretty wide.
Thanks. I'll go with the EPS Carry....soon.
Got several things going right now - Italian stock, SEB Neo-X, maybe another March scope......
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The CH screws are their custom made. Something like T3 screw with a T4 head.
Did the eps carry come with plates? I read somewhere that it does.
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Yes, it came with an adapter plate.
I didn't end up using the CH plate/set that I have, since I put the EPS Carry on a gun that was milled for that footprint. However, yes, the screw is a Torx head, which I prefer over the 1/16" hex screws.
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Thanks. I'll go with the EPS Carry....soon.
Got several things going right now - Italian stock, SEB Neo-X, maybe another March scope......
Sign up for notification on Midway. They seem to have some coming in weekly. Or you can preorder from Midway, CH, Brownells, etc.
I'm in the same boat. Bolt action still going with 22lr rifle pushed on the site for a bit.
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Brownells has EPS "regular" in stock. Both basic and MRS/solar models.
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Gunfunnit. . . coupon code $45 off $250 doesn't work on Holosun. . . :(
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I've just received the EPS carry (green) that I preordered from Brownells. Looks to be nearly the same as the 407K, except the hood is slightly elongated to house the rear glass. The dot is clear like the 407K, footprint is the same, rear back up notch sight is the same, looks pretty solid.
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Thats what i like abt the eps carry, 507k or 407k, no need supressor sights.
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I've just received the EPS carry (green) that I preordered from Brownells. Looks to be nearly the same as the 407K, except the hood is slightly elongated to house the rear glass. The dot is clear like the 407K, footprint is the same, rear back up notch sight is the same, looks pretty solid.
NICE! What pistol are you going to put it on?
I've had mine for a while, but still haven't shot it. Might try to shoot it this weekend, but where I will be shooting at isn't set up well for shooting on paper. But looking forward to shooting the 43x with the EPS Carry.
The stock on Brownells still had some this morning, with only the red 2 MOA out.
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NICE! What pistol are you going to put it on?
I've had mine for a while, but still haven't shot it. Might try to shoot it this weekend, but where I will be shooting at isn't set up well for shooting on paper. But looking forward to shooting the 43x with the EPS Carry.
The stock on Brownells still had some this morning, with only the red 2 MOA out.
Out of stock as of last night.
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Out of stock as of last night.
Red 6 MOA and Green 2 and 6 MOA still in stock.
Interesting that the green costs more. . . I am tempted to try one actually
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Red 6 MOA and Green 2 and 6 MOA still in stock.
Interesting that the green costs more. . . I am tempted to try one actually
I actually like the green vs red. But there's a reason why almost all experts have red. I'm taking the clue.
But at the same time, the EPS carry is now growing on me. You and Heavies already making the switch and so are the YT'ers that I've been watching. I haven't really watched any RDS vids because I had no intention of upgrading until recently.
Just wait till Trijicon makes an enclosed RDS. All the guys like Garand Thumb, T-Rex, Colin Noir, etc...gonna be getting it.
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I actually like the green vs red. But there's a reason why almost all experts have red. I'm taking the clue.
But at the same time, the EPS carry is now growing on me. You and Heavies already making the switch and so are the YT'ers that I've been watching. I haven't really watched any RDS vids because I had no intention of upgrading until recently.
Just wait till Trijicon makes an enclosed RDS. All the guys like Garand Thumb, T-Rex, Colin Noir, etc...gonna be getting it.
I've seen/read about some high level folks preferring green for either dot optic or fiber optic front sight. Depends on how our eye picks things up as well as color blindness. I've met a lot of folks who have red color blindness. Pretty interesting on the ranges of color blindness. I haven't really tried green on any rifle or pistol. I have shot friends' guns that had green FO front sights and some of them are blazingly bright.
I wouldn't say I'm switching to the EPS, but definitely belly flopping into the closed emitter dots. Once I find an ACRO in stock, I will be putting one on a Glock 17. Verifying for myself.
Same for me though. I had no interest in new RDS or pistols for that matter for a while. Had been mostly on bolt action rifles, both 22 and centerfire. Still very much into those, but re-energized with RDS pistols. Hope to get out to shoot some matches soon, but with RDS vice production. You should come out. I am even planning on shooting the 43 or 48 in a match. ;D
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NICE! What pistol are you going to put it on?
I've had mine for a while, but still haven't shot it. Might try to shoot it this weekend, but where I will be shooting at isn't set up well for shooting on paper. But looking forward to shooting the 43x with the EPS Carry.
The stock on Brownells still had some this morning, with only the red 2 MOA out.
Currently I only have one pistol cut for optic. G48. It’s sporting a 407k red 6Moa right now. I was planning on getting my carry gun Kahr CM9 cut for it. No rush though, since our hopes of carrying anytime soon are being dashed by our leftist COP which is currently crapping all over his oath of office.
I was contemplating picking up a 365X to put it on, but not really a huge fan of SIGs I’ve shot 365 before, but don’t like the triggers on SIGs and can shoot the Kahr, which is the same size as a 365, much much better than the sig.
I’m no fan of Glocks either. I’ve dumped way too much into this G48 trying to get it to jive with me. So far it’s been so so. It’s tolerable. Lol
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Currently I only have one pistol cut for optic. G48. It’s sporting a 407k red 6Moa right now. I was planning on getting my carry gun Kahr CM9 cut for it. No rush though, since our hopes of carrying anytime soon are being dashed by our leftist COP which is currently crapping all over his oath of office.
I was contemplating picking up a 365X to put it on, but not really a huge fan of SIGs I’ve shot 365 before, but don’t like the triggers on SIGs and can shoot the Kahr, which is the same size as a 365, much much better than the sig.
I’m no fan of Glocks either. I’ve dumped way too much into this G48 trying to get it to jive with me. So far it’s been so so. It’s tolerable. Lol
Ahh, gotcha. You can always try my 43x. I hope to have an EPS Carry on my 48 soon. If that takes long, I might try a 507/407k on the 48.
I only have limited experience with the 365s as well.
I am very much a Glock fan, but through my experiences with the 17 and 19. The triggers on the 43x and 48 are very different, both in pull feel and shape of the trigger face. Don't know if good or bad yet, but I'm already planning trying aftermarket triggers. Overwatch and Apex being two I'm currently looking at. I want to try the stock triggers first, but at least for now, like you I would consider them tolerable.
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Shot my 43x with EPS Carry over the weekend. Overall impressed with the EPS Carry. It's a good fit/scale for the gun and no issues on smaller size of optic body. I think the "tunnel" can be helpful to some on finding the dot. I read about and watched videos on some projected/opinion benefits of enclosed emitter optics. I don't have trouble finding the dot, but can see how the tube form of the optic body can help. I shot in a variety of lighting conditions, including quite bright. I had the dot set quite low for dry fire indoors and was surprised that I had to go about 5-6 steps up on brightness for outdoors. Seems like the EPS Carry levels are finer than my previous RMRs. Just something I noticed, not good or bad.
I did an initial "zero" of the dot based on the factory irons and it seemed pretty close at 10 and 15 yards. I need to spend a little more time verifying zero, but it was pretty good.
Different topic, but quite impressed with the 43x and EPS Carry combo. Grouping at 10-15 yards slow fire smaller than tangerine (using CMO's metric), and "quicker" draw and follow up shots in the smaller than fuji apple tp cantaloupe range. Definitely planning on more time shooting the 43x a lot in the next many months, including how the trigger "works in".
I'm a fan of the EPS so far. Looking to put one on one of my Glock 17s or 19s.
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Shot my 43x with EPS Carry over the weekend. Overall impressed with the EPS Carry. It's a good fit/scale for the gun and no issues on smaller size of optic body. I think the "tunnel" can be helpful to some on finding the dot. I read about and watched videos on some projected/opinion benefits of enclosed emitter optics. I don't have trouble finding the dot, but can see how the tube form of the optic body can help. I shot in a variety of lighting conditions, including quite bright. I had the dot set quite low for dry fire indoors and was surprised that I had to go about 5-6 steps up on brightness for outdoors. Seems like the EPS Carry levels are finer than my previous RMRs. Just something I noticed, not good or bad.
I did an initial "zero" of the dot based on the factory irons and it seemed pretty close at 10 and 15 yards. I need to spend a little more time verifying zero, but it was pretty good.
Different topic, but quite impressed with the 43x and EPS Carry combo. Grouping at 10-15 yards slow fire smaller than tangerine (using CMO's metric), and "quicker" draw and follow up shots in the smaller than fuji apple tp cantaloupe range. Definitely planning on more time shooting the 43x a lot in the next many months, including how the trigger "works in".
I'm a fan of the EPS so far. Looking to put one on one of my Glock 17s or 19s.
When you zero'd did you do off a rest or Jedi style and not supported? I'm leaning toward on a rest because my skills are not at his level where I can shoot accurately enough to free zero. At least by using a rest, I know it's me and not the gun. I would prob be chasing zero at 10 yards. I also plan to zero at 10.
Tangerine at 15 is AWESOME. you would be able to pass any CCW or armored car test as that would be all 10's.
Warrior poet mentioned in a vid that he knows what dial to use when he goes from outdoors to indoors and vice versa. He just presses the buttons thru his shirt (doesn't un-holster)
I think it was this thread where we were talking about the green dot. David from DCT mentioned that green tends to wash away when using a flash light or WML. So red it is. The 507K did not arrive yesterday.
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1) When you zero'd did you do off a rest or Jedi style and not supported? I'm leaning toward on a rest because my skills are not at his level where I can shoot accurately enough to free zero. At least by using a rest, I know it's me and not the gun. I would prob be chasing zero at 10 yards. I also plan to zero at 10.
2) Tangerine at 15 is AWESOME. you would be able to pass any CCW or armored car test as that would be all 10's.
3) Warrior poet mentioned in a vid that he knows what dial to use when he goes from outdoors to indoors and vice versa. He just presses the buttons thru his shirt (doesn't un-holster)
4) I think it was this thread where we were talking about the green dot. David from DCT mentioned that green tends to wash away when using a flash light or WML. So red it is. The 507K did not arrive yesterday.
1) Standing, free hand. I did initial "zero" by matching the RDS to the sights, assuming the sights were on, and they were close. I didn't make any adjustments when I shot this past weekend. I did notice the grouping was slightly off when I moved back to 15 yards, but didn't adjust. I typically do initial zero on a rest and I will verify eventually.
2) I was shooting the 8" Shoot-n-See, which is similar to the NRA B16. That was VERY slow/deliberate fire though.
https://www.amazon.com/Birchwood-Casey-Shoot-N-C-Target-Pasters/dp/B0002IKBKE
3) Yeah. There are others that mention that, as well as pros/cons of other dots like the DeltaPoint which has a cycling RDS intensity. I am a$$uming that the RMR had a coarser adjustment range. Will do a side-by-side.
4) Nah, you should try the green. . . so I can try too. . . ;D
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3) Yeah. There are others that mention that, as well as pros/cons of other dots like the DeltaPoint which has a cycling RDS intensity. I am a$$uming that the RMR had a coarser adjustment range. Will do a side-by-side.
IIRC WP mentioned 1 or 2 button presses to get his indoors brightness on his RMR.
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IIRC WP mentioned 1 or 2 button presses to get his indoors brightness on his RMR.
For me, low light to "bright daylight" is 2 presses on the RMR.
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For me, low light to "bright daylight" is 2 presses on the RMR.
LMK what it's like on the EPS Carry. Would be interested to know that and the 507K would be the same amount of presses.
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LMK what it's like on the EPS Carry. Would be interested to know that and the 507K would be the same amount of presses.
IIRC, it was about 4-5 steps from when I shot outdoors over the weekend and when I did some dry fire indoors. Prob could get away with less though. I recall the dot intensity when I got home was damn bright indoors and "not great" lighting.
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Kind of off topic, but is there a reason why every company makes their own footprint. I mean, there's Mlok and Keymod, which of the 2 Mlok is more abundant. Then there's picatiny rail, which is pretty much universal. So why all the various footprints?
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Kind of off topic, but is there a reason why every company makes their own footprint. I mean, there's Mlok and Keymod, which of the 2 Mlok is more abundant. Then there's picatiny rail, which is pretty much universal. So why all the various footprints?
Designs and manufacturing processes evolve over time.
AR-15 RAIL SYSTEMS COMPARISON
M-Lok is pretty much the standard as far as attaching accessories to your AR-15 rail system.
M-Lok stands for “Modular Lock” and was invented by Magpul, who licenses the system to any
company that requests to use it, ensuring that everything made with M-Lok has the same design
and quality. To attach an accessory to an M-Lok rail system, simply slide the t-shaped nut into
the slot, turn to tighten, and as you tighten it, the nut lays across the slot, locking the attachment
down.
As stated above, USSOCOM has recently released data showing the M-Lok System to be
better for impacts, so you will feel as secure as your accessories trusting this system.
https://www.80percentarms.com/blog/ar15-rail-systems-comparison/
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Kind of off topic, but is there a reason why every company makes their own footprint. I mean, there's Mlok and Keymod, which of the 2 Mlok is more abundant. Then there's picatiny rail, which is pretty much universal. So why all the various footprints?
From what I've been told, read, etc a big part of the problem and solution has to do with the battery, which includes balance of battery size/type and battery life. Plus balance of optic window, height, etc with the item being mounted on. I also personally believe some companies purposely decide to be different, for various reasons. Some apparently strategic and some just to be different and attempting to control certain aspects.
Prevalence of market share/demand as well as who/what wins popularity race. Sort of like VHS vs Betamax and other technology along the way. Which team has best marketing and/or political connections. Platform prevalence isn't necessarily what is the best/advanced.
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I think the "tunnel" can be helpful to some on finding the dot. I read about and watched videos on some projected/opinion benefits of enclosed emitter optics. I don't have trouble finding the dot, but can see how the tube form of the optic body can help.
Going back and forth between a RMR on 19 and EPS Carry on 48 MOS, I also noticed the optic body helps to acquire the dot faster.
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Shot my 43x with EPS Carry over the weekend. Overall impressed with the EPS Carry. It's a good fit/scale for the gun and no issues on smaller size of optic body. I think the "tunnel" can be helpful to some on finding the dot. I read about and watched videos on some projected/opinion benefits of enclosed emitter optics. I don't have trouble finding the dot, but can see how the tube form of the optic body can help. I shot in a variety of lighting conditions, including quite bright. I had the dot set quite low for dry fire indoors and was surprised that I had to go about 5-6 steps up on brightness for outdoors. Seems like the EPS Carry levels are finer than my previous RMRs. Just something I noticed, not good or bad.
I did an initial "zero" of the dot based on the factory irons and it seemed pretty close at 10 and 15 yards. I need to spend a little more time verifying zero, but it was pretty good.
Different topic, but quite impressed with the 43x and EPS Carry combo. Grouping at 10-15 yards slow fire smaller than tangerine (using CMO's metric), and "quicker" draw and follow up shots in the smaller than fuji apple tp cantaloupe range. Definitely planning on more time shooting the 43x a lot in the next many months, including how the trigger "works in".
I'm a fan of the EPS so far. Looking to put one on one of my Glock 17s or 19s.
Where did you go to shoot? Also bought a 43x and haven't had a chance to shoot it yet
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Going back and forth between a RMR on 19 and EPS Carry on 48 MOS, I also noticed the optic body helps to acquire the dot faster.
We have similar tastes in firearms. Mainly shoot 19 with RMR, which will very likely have an EPS Carry on it soon.
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Where did you go to shoot? Also bought a 43x and haven't had a chance to shoot it yet
A private range. Check out open shoot opportunities in the action bays. As well as 808Gun Club, but be prepared to pay quite a bit. :(
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Shot another 50 rounds with the 43x with EPS. Had to re-zero after the last range session because I noticed that one of the mounting screws moved. I cleaned the screws, reapplied loctite and tightened back down with a little more torque with the supplied L-shaped allen key. The slide milling only allows for the use of the screws that they supplied. Different size and threading from the screws that came with the EPS. Think all good, just can't use torque limiters and bits that I have on hand. If the screws slip again, I will use 242 instead of 222.
Let some friends shoot the 43x with EPS. A couple noted the smaller window, but after shooting, most said they didn't notice difference. Smaller window allows for less space for the dot tracking vertically, but there are ways to mitigate/address/help with that.
Not EPS related, but the smaller frame of the 43x is a little more of a "hassle" when shooting in hot & humid conditions and hands are sweaty. My Glock 19s are stipped and that helps a lot and I've gotten used to that texture. Something I'll have to keep trying. Tempted to shoot a USPSA match with the 43x and EPS. True carry optic configuration.
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Brownells has EPS back in stock. Various options of regular and carry, as well as 6 moa and 2 moa green. Plus code for $40 off $400 (and a lower total one).
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Not sure if we mentioned here, but another contender to the Aimpoint ACRO P2 would be the Steiner MPS. I'm probably looking into that for my next optic ready handgun purchase.
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Not sure if we mentioned here, but another contender to the Aimpoint ACRO P2 would be the Steiner MPS. I'm probably looking into that for my next optic ready handgun purchase.
What gun?
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Not sure if we mentioned here, but another contender to the Aimpoint ACRO P2 would be the Steiner MPS. I'm probably looking into that for my next optic ready handgun purchase.
I looked into the MPS. It was available on EuroOptic, at least a few weeks back. I have an Acro P2 on order.
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What gun?
Have a 3 or 4 in mind, but still trying to do more research.
I looked into the MPS. It was available on EuroOptic, at least a few weeks back. I have an Acro P2 on order.
I think last I heard, pre-orders for the ACRO P2 were around 6 months. MPS is cheaper and readily available. Also trying to be more open about newer products and trying them out.
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Have a 3 or 4 in mind, but still trying to do more research.
I think last I heard, pre-orders for the ACRO P2 were around 6 months. MPS is cheaper and readily available. Also trying to be more open about newer products and trying them out.
Open to “Chinesium”?
My order is through a connection. Hopefully they can come through. Promise was 3 months when I put on my order. So by end of year. Will see.
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Open to “Chinesium”?
EPS Carry is working pretty well for me.
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EPS Carry is working pretty well for me.
Me too so far on my 43x. At about 300 rounds in and really liking it. Looking to get a regular EPS for a future gun.
The 509T seems to be popular, but I like the lower profile and mounting of the EPS.
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Open to “Chinesium”?
Waycist.
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anyone try the Leupold DeltaPoint micro?
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anyone try the Leupold DeltaPoint micro?
Yes. I have one. It works fine. As you know the window is tiny. But with the correct grip and follow through, the dot return to view is quick. If dot goes down, the tube acts as a ghost ring sight and is acceptable to use. It also has some aiming type dots on the side for BU
Might not be as good for unconventional shooting positions because of the tiny window area.
It is easier to get used to shooting with the dot as the sight is as low as irons. If you are used to acquiring the irons quickly, the dot is naturally in that line of sight.
The strange shape and battery compartment looks off, but so does a huge unit bolted to the top of the slide.
Battery cover/button needs to be unscrewed to remove the slide for cleaning. Not a huge deal. Easy to change the battery and it will not lose zero.
It fit in all my holsters without modifying anything. The extra length it adds to the slide might make it uncomfortable for carry depending on carry position. Also the extra length might make concealment more difficult.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV79WIJ4ff4
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Waycist.
I now own 3 Holosun RDS, and soon to be 4. Maybe even more. . .
No tinfoil conspiracies. . . 8)
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I now own 3 Holosun RDS, and soon to be 4. Maybe even more. . .
No tinfoil conspiracies. . . 8)
When China invades, they will remotely power off all Holosun RDS. And have a list where the items were shipped to. #noteveryingistinfoil
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When China invades, they will remotely power off all Holosun RDS. And have a list where the items were shipped to. #noteveryingistinfoil
Diversify. . .
#stillknowhowtoshootwithirons
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If anyone is looking for an Aimpoint ACRO P2, Boresight Solutions has them on pre-order. They got notified by Aimpoint that their next shipment is on the way with ETA in 5-7 business days. So hit them up ASAP if you want a chance at one.
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Battery died on my EPS Carry last night. Was doing some dry fire while watching TV and noticed the dot was dim. Went to adjust, and gone/out. Picked up batteries today, so will log when it started with a fresh one. The generic one that came with could not have been more than 2,000 hours. . .
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When China invades, they will remotely power off all Holosun RDS. And have a list where the items were shipped to. #noteveryingistinfoil
China does not need to invade.
They will just stop battery exports and watch the fun begin.
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China does not need to invade.
They will just stop battery exports and watch the fun begin.
Got that covered ...
Solar Panel Hat
(https://i.imgur.com/QnsX4Yp.jpg)
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China does not need to invade.
They will just stop battery exports and watch the fun begin.
Imperial RDSs :rofl:
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Got that covered ...
Solar Panel Hat
(https://i.imgur.com/QnsX4Yp.jpg)
Does it fit over the tin foil hat?
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Anyways, back to topic.
Shot a Staccato XC with an EPS. Damn that’s an excellent combination and a super flat shooting gun. Not sure if I’d drop the asking price for a Staccato XC, but it’s a damn great shooting pistol.
I had been shooting my 43x with EPS Carry with the laser stippled frame. Really like the laser stippling. The EPS “regular” size is noticeably larger than the carry. When I am able to get one, I’ll put one on a 17 Gen 5.
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Anyways, back to topic.
Shot a Staccato XC with an EPS. Damn that’s an excellent combination and a super flat shooting gun. Not sure if I’d drop the asking price for a Staccato XC, but it’s a damn great shooting pistol.
I had been shooting my 43x with EPS Carry with the laser stippled frame. Really like the laser stippling. The EPS “regular” size is noticeably larger than the carry. When I am able to get one, I’ll put one on a 17 Gen 5.
TFTI
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TFTI
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ditto..Glock 48 owner here
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TFTI
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You said you were “gtg”
bruh
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You said you were “gtg”
bruh
"Trust but verify"
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"Trust but verify"
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;D
I always do ;D
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Anyone try the Sig Romeo2? Picking up a legion x five next week and leaning towards that for optic as I also wanna try a closed emitter.
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Anyone try the Sig Romeo2? Picking up a legion x five next week and leaning towards that for optic as I also wanna try a closed emitter.
Had not heard of it until you posted. Seems interesting. For that price, I'd lean toward an Aimpoint ACRO P2. That is if you can find one in stock. I've seen them come back into stock here and there in the past month. I believe the Sig full frame slides have plates for the ACRO. I was considering one for my X-Full slide. Beyond that, I am looking to get an EPS (regular) for a Glock 17. Hope they start coming back into stock soon.
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Had not heard of it until you posted. Seems interesting. For that price, I'd lean toward an Aimpoint ACRO P2. That is if you can find one in stock. I've seen them come back into stock here and there in the past month. I believe the Sig full frame slides have plates for the ACRO. I was considering one for my X-Full slide. Beyond that, I am looking to get an EPS (regular) for a Glock 17. Hope they start coming back into stock soon.
That’s what I originally wanted lol, but like you said they’re not available anywhere. So I figured I might try the Sig branded one the footprint is right so I wouldn’t need to buy a mounting plate. Not 100% sure for now but probably gonna get one before the end of the month, so I’ll have to see if the ACRO becomes available by then.
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That’s what I originally wanted lol, but like you said they’re not available anywhere. So I figured I might try the Sig branded one the footprint is right so I wouldn’t need to buy a mounting plate. Not 100% sure for now but probably gonna get one before the end of the month, so I’ll have to see if the ACRO becomes available by then.
I've seen the ACRO back in stock a couple of places, with TRex being one and they ran a lottery. If I see them back in stock, I'll try to post here.
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TRex Arms lottery for ACRO closed. Next one anticipated early/mid Dec.
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With something the size of the ACRO, would it affect slide function since it's bigger and heavier than most RDS? Like say you use puff puff type ammo.
Update:
This is the same reason why I never milled any of my slides. I figure the slide is designed to be X oz's. And removing weight is making it lighter thus may affect peak performance. This would be diff from buying a milled slide that is tested by a reputable company. IDK if the milled slide is made with diff materials so it's the same weight as an OEM slide. This and too pake to upgrade a slide or mill my OEM slide.
Which is why I was interested in the Shadow Systems MR/CR 920. It's designed with the slide cuts in it.
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With something the size of the ACRO, would it affect slide function since it's bigger and heavier than most RDS? Like say you use puff puff type ammo.
Update:
This is the same reason why I never milled any of my slides. I figure the slide is designed to be X oz's. And removing weight is making it lighter thus may affect peak performance. This would be diff from buying a milled slide that is tested by a reputable company. IDK if the milled slide is made with diff materials so it's the same weight as an OEM slide. This and too pake to upgrade a slide or mill my OEM slide.
Which is why I was interested in the Shadow Systems MR/CR 920. It's designed with the slide cuts in it.
It's poof poof. . .
There are benefits to milling slides vice those that depend on plates. Optic height, particularly control over is one. Plus, not all optic mounting solutions are equal. Jack of all trades, master of none. I get what you're saying about flexibility, especially with new optics coming out all the time. I looked into upgrading optics on my Salients that have optic specific milling. It could work, but optic height was less than desirable. So I made the decision to go with a different base gun.
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I ordered a new slide for my 19 and I'm looking to try out the 509T X2. Might be a while till I get the slide and then need to send it out to get milled for the optic. Range is closed, so I can wait. I read and watched some reviews on it and looks like a decent optic. Also a good amount cheaper than the ACRO P-2.
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With something the size of the ACRO, would it affect slide function since it's bigger and heavier than most RDS? Like say you use puff puff type ammo.
Update:
This is the same reason why I never milled any of my slides. I figure the slide is designed to be X oz's. And removing weight is making it lighter thus may affect peak performance. This would be diff from buying a milled slide that is tested by a reputable company. IDK if the milled slide is made with diff materials so it's the same weight as an OEM slide. This and too pake to upgrade a slide or mill my OEM slide.
Which is why I was interested in the Shadow Systems MR/CR 920. It's designed with the slide cuts in it.
for the more popular makes/models, I think that's why there's different strength recoil springs available. similar thing happens whey you put a comp or a brake on it. dynamic is changed, may need to be re-tuned.
but you guys already know that...
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I ordered a new slide for my 19 and I'm looking to try out the 509T X2. Might be a while till I get the slide and then need to send it out to get milled for the optic. Range is closed, so I can wait. I read and watched some reviews on it and looks like a decent optic. Also a good amount cheaper than the ACRO P-2.
I am holding out for an EPS (regular) for a 17 slide, but I was seriously considering a build with a 509T. I've heard/read good things about the 509T, and shot them on friends guns.
My preference is to do optic specific milling, to get the optic as lower than with optic plates.
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for the more popular makes/models, I think that's why there's different strength recoil springs available. similar thing happens whey you put a comp or a brake on it. dynamic is changed, may need to be re-tuned.
but you guys already know that...
You overestimate CMO. . . ;D
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You overestimate CMO. . . ;D
#overthinkingpresident
I forgot to add when shooting the RDS, i don't think I would have gotten the same grouping with irons. I tried DRCK's RDS on his P320 and had rounds touching at 7 yards. The dot allows u to see an unobstructed view of the POI you want.
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#overthinkingpresident
I forgot to add when shooting the RDS, i don't think I would have gotten the same grouping with irons. I tried DRCK's RDS on his P320 and had rounds touching at 7 yards. The dot allows u to see an unobstructed view of the POI you want.
Wait, wait, wait. . . you saying it's the bow and not the Indian? ;D
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Wait, wait, wait. . . you saying it's the bow and not the Indian? ;D
Indian eye cannot see. No more X-ray vision. Or could just be lucky. I'm leaning toward luck maybe.
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Seeing EPS and EPS Carry coming back in stock in a lot of online vendors. Primary Arms, Midway, etc. Picked up an EPS regular multi-reticle version from DCT a while back. So good to see them in stock, and multiple vendors.
I haven't shot my 43x with the EPS Carry in a while, but plan to get back to doing so. Will have a 17 with the regular EPS soon.
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Finally got my hands on an Aimpoint ACRO P2. It's on a Glock 17 MOS. I haven't shot it yet, but initial impressions are that the unit is not as bulky as I envisioned. It's more bulky than an RMR06, but the overall window seems larger, at least top to bottom. The dot seems clear, like their rifle red dots (T2, CompM5, PRO, etc). I have the Ameriglo suppressor height sights and the sights are in the lower (about) 1/4 or less in the window, which I like.
Not sure if I will be able to shoot for a couple of weeks. Really looking forward to trying the whole setup. I'll have a more basic Glock 17 with EPS to compare with soon, for a more streamlined setup than the bulky ACRO.
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After CCWing since early Jan everyday, I get the lint issue now.
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After CCWing since early Jan everyday, I get the lint issue now.
clean your belly button more!
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clean your belly button more!
RDS is a lint magnet. Instead of the belly button, going in there now. So guess that's a pro of having an open RDS.
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Shot the 17 with the ACRO P2 this past weekend. I had the complete gun setup for over a month, but things just didn't align until this past weekend. Zeroed the dot and shot about 200 rounds. New gun with a recommendation for 200 rounds with the barrel that came with it. Flawless operation and decent results. Took me a bit longer than usual to zero the gun, but mostly due to some brain farts of moving windage when I thought I was adjusting elevations and vice versa. First impressions are I like the window of the ACRO P2, with a little more space vertically than the RM06. The size of the optic body didn't bother me, and it actually helps in some ways over the RM06. Will see how the mount (builder included CHPWS plate) holds up, but I don't expect any issues. Will be using this gun in a class end of May where the round count is in the 800-1000 round estimates.
The slide for a different 17 came back this past weekend too. I had that one milled for the Holosun EPS (K footprint). I wasn't able to shoot it, but mounted the RDS and installed Dawson FO sights. The optic cut milling was excellent. I would say perfect it with no slop front/back. In fact, the optic body took some light tapping with a hammer to seat well and once seated, the optic is not easy to move/remove. Good indicator that the contact between the optic body and the slide is solid, and connection not fully dependent on the mounting screws.
The slide window of the EPS is smaller than the ACRO P2, but I think sufficient. I had been shooting the EPS Carry on a 43x. While the EPS Carry is much smaller than the RM06 that I had gotten used to over the past many years. The EPS is slightly larger than the EPS Carry and I think good proportions to the full sized slide of the 17.
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Shot the 17 with the ACRO P2 this past weekend. I had the complete gun setup for over a month, but things just didn't align until this past weekend. Zeroed the dot and shot about 200 rounds. New gun with a recommendation for 200 rounds with the barrel that came with it. Flawless operation and decent results. Took me a bit longer than usual to zero the gun, but mostly due to some brain farts of moving windage when I thought I was adjusting elevations and vice versa. First impressions are I like the window of the ACRO P2, with a little more space vertically than the RM06. The size of the optic body didn't bother me, and it actually helps in some ways over the RM06. Will see how the mount (builder included CHPWS plate) holds up, but I don't expect any issues. Will be using this gun in a class end of May where the round count is in the 800-1000 round estimates.
The slide for a different 17 came back this past weekend too. I had that one milled for the Holosun EPS (K footprint). I wasn't able to shoot it, but mounted the RDS and installed Dawson FO sights. The optic cut milling was excellent. I would say perfect it with no slop front/back. In fact, the optic body took some light tapping with a hammer to seat well and once seated, the optic is not easy to move/remove. Good indicator that the contact between the optic body and the slide is solid, and connection not fully dependent on the mounting screws.
The slide window of the EPS is smaller than the ACRO P2, but I think sufficient. I had been shooting the EPS Carry on a 43x. While the EPS Carry is much smaller than the RM06 that I had gotten used to over the past many years. The EPS is slightly larger than the EPS Carry and I think good proportions to the full sized slide of the 17.
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I've noticed I have to clean the glass area about once every 3 weeks. B4 strapping up, I always check to make sure dot is working. This is when I also do the lint check.
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Front a case of 9 mm, then you'll be added to the list. . . ;)
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I've noticed I have to clean the glass area about once every 3 weeks. B4 strapping up, I always check to make sure dot is working. This is when I also do the lint check.
Can. I'll get around to it. Wanted to shoot both and verify setups, at least initial checks.
I did notice that the front lens of the ACRO collected oil splatter. I don't usually run my Glocks wet, but the break in instructions for the barrel from the builder was to apply oil liberally. Will see how things go as I transition to normal cleaning and lube process. I've never had that happen before. Didn't bother me or block anything, but assumed it was because the body of the ACRO has the lens closer to the ejection port than all my previous pistols with RDS, which all have RM06.
The setup with the EPS is planned/envisioned for regular CCW. Haven't noticed linting with 43x and EPS Carry.
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i own no ammo...
Front a case of 9 mm, then you'll be added to the list. . . ;)
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I did notice that the front lens of the ACRO collected oil splatter. I don't usually run my Glocks wet, but the break in instructions for the barrel from the builder was to apply oil liberally. Will see how things go as I transition to normal cleaning and lube process. I've never had that happen before. Didn't bother me or block anything, but assumed it was because the body of the ACRO has the lens closer to the ejection port than all my previous pistols with RDS, which all have RM06.
This is a good training experience. And to have it happen unexpectedly is valuable. TBH, I like when unexpected stuff happens, this way it's your natural response on how to fix the issue. Of course, after you leanr how to do it property first. Which is why I don't like 1R1 drills. Because I know it's gonna go empty. So when I do drills to practice this type of thing, I mix mags with 1rd-5 rds in them. Too pake to do 1-10rds.
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i own no ammo...
If you tase yourself, I'll front the case. As it would be illegal for anyone else to tase you, even in a training scenerio.
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This is a good training experience. And to have it happen unexpectedly is valuable. TBH, I like when unexpected stuff happens, this way it's your natural response on how to fix the issue. Of course, after you leanr how to do it property first. Which is why I don't like 1R1 drills. Because I know it's gonna go empty. So when I do drills to practice this type of thing, I mix mags with 1rd-5 rds in them. Too pake to do 1-10rds.
Something I noticed, but not a big deal. Didn't obscure vision and probably wouldn't have really noticed except I was refining the zero on the dot since I started close and wanted to verify further.
The 1-reload-1 has specific utility, but you're working on specific or different skills. That said, the random occurrence of stuff like reload, malfunctions, etc with someone setting up your mags definitely is useful.
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I'm going to assume your G17 with ACRO is your bed stand gun and your EPS G43X would be CCW?
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I'm going to assume your G17 with ACRO is your bed stand gun and your EPS G43X would be CCW?
Will see after I have more time with the 17s with ACRO and EPS. However, the plan when I bought both were 17 and EPS combo being main CCW. Though my qualification (and subsequent affidavit) was done with a 19 and RM06 and 43x with EPS Carry.
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Current main RDS setups
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Left: Glock 17.5 with EPS. Slide milled for EPS by Thrash Tactical and grip laser stippled by Cerakote Hawaii.
Middle: Glock 19 Utility from Salient with RMR06.
Right: Glock 17.5 with ACRO P2. Standard MOS slide with CHPWS plate. Grip work by Boresight Solutions.
I have about 300 rounds through both 17.5s with enclosed emitters. Really liking both setups. I was concerned that the texture on the Boresight Solutions grip would be too aggressive for CCW, but seems fine. They'll take down the texture for free if I wanted, but for now, I'm fine. The window of the ACRO is a bit taller than the EPS, but I think both are fine. No malfunctions with either gun. The ACRO is quite a bit more bulky and heavier than the EPS, but don't notice any ill effects. Did rapid fire up to 6 shots and didn't notice a significant difference between the two in terms of slide reciprocation, dot movement in the window, etc.
When I started planning for these setups, the one with the EPS was envisioned as replacing the 19 Utility for CCW. Now I am considering either 17.5 for CCW, just maybe with a TLR-7 vice X300.
Will be taking all of these to a pistol course end of May. So want to put a bunch more rounds through them before then. So far, loving both 17.5 setups.
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Left: Glock 17.5 with EPS. Slide milled for EPS by Thrash Tactical and grip laser stippled by Cerakote Hawaii.
Middle: Glock 19 Utility from Salient with RMR06.
Right: Glock 17.5 with ACRO P2. Standard MOS slide with CHPWS plate. Grip work by Boresight Solutions.
I have about 300 rounds through both 17.5s with enclosed emitters. Really liking both setups. I was concerned that the texture on the Boresight Solutions grip would be too aggressive for CCW, but seems fine. They'll take down the texture for free if I wanted, but for now, I'm fine. The window of the ACRO is a bit taller than the EPS, but I think both are fine. No malfunctions with either gun. The ACRO is quite a bit more bulky and heavier than the EPS, but don't notice any ill effects. Did rapid fire up to 6 shots and didn't notice a significant difference between the two in terms of slide reciprocation, dot movement in the window, etc.
When I started planning for these setups, the one with the EPS was envisioned as replacing the 19 Utility for CCW. Now I am considering either 17.5 for CCW, just maybe with a TLR-7 vice X300.
Will be taking all of these to a pistol course end of May. So want to put a bunch more rounds through them before then. So far, loving both 17.5 setups.
I found that the middle one grip is similar to my Shield Plus. Good for sweaty hands, but sticks to dry fit type shirt material. So I have athletic tape on the palm side so prevent this. Need to change the tape every few weeks as it comes off or turns from white to brown (kusai).
Since you chose the grip texture, does it not bother or affect you that all 3 have diff grips? I mean, no matchy matchy OCD?
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I found that the middle one grip is similar to my Shield Plus. Good for sweaty hands, but sticks to dry fit type shirt material. So I have athletic tape on the palm side so prevent this. Need to change the tape every few weeks as it comes off or turns from white to brown (kusai).
Since you chose the grip texture, does it not bother or affect you that all 3 have diff grips? I mean, no matchy matchy OCD?
The middle one (Glock 19) is a pretty fine and shallow stipple. It doesn't stick or catch on t-shirt material. All are a little "catchy" on dry fit type material, but not binding.
No, the different textures don't bother me. I have found that I like at least some texture, beyond what is on the Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5. I shot plain Gen 4 grips for a long time and I think they are fine. I now prefer the texture to go all around the grip which is how all the guns are stippled. The Gen 3 through 5 grips have different textures on the sides vs the front and back. I mean that's fine, but prefer more texture. The Boresight Solutions also has their "razorback" for the back of the grip. I haven't shot the 17.5s side-by-side, but I haven't noticed that I like one more than the other. I do like the razorback shape though. Seems to help fill out the palm portion of the firing hand a bit better.
As for "matchy matchy", the one thing I want to consolidate are the triggers. They all have different triggers. The 17.5 Boresight has an Apex kit, but hand fitted from the builder. The 17.5 with EPS has a Johnny Glock trigger. I don't know which I like better yet. Eventually, I will probably put the same trigger in both guns, once I decide which one I like better.
All of the grips have the trigger guard undercut and textured. That's another feature that I've found that I really like. Again, I don't think it's essential as I think the stock grips are just fine. However, I like the undercut and texture way more.
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About 500 rounds through both of the 17.5 with ACRO and EPS and quite impressed with both setups. No malfunctions (not expected) and recent tweaks with grip and presentation seems to be paying off. Attending a shooting course on the mainland in a couple of weeks, so trying to shoot more consistently. Should be doing that anyways, but tougher to do these days.
Overall, the ACRO has a slightly taller window than the EPS, but easy to keep the dot tracking within the window (or less) in rapid fire. At least when testing in the 5-7 yard range. The ACRO body does present a slightly "tougher" presentation from AIWB than the EPS, but not much. Something I'll have to dedicate more time to. Previously, most CCW dry practice was with 19 and RMR setup.
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Picked up a Steiner MPS for my Staccato P. Was looking for a Acro P2, but got tired of searching. Will Post more once I get everything and shoot the setup,
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Picked up a Steiner MPS for my Staccato P. Was looking for a Acro P2, but got tired of searching. Will Post more once I get everything and shoot the setup,
Nice! I've read good reviews on that optic.
I'll be shooting my Glock 17.5 with Acro P2 (as well as the setup with EPS) in a 3-day RDS pistol course this weekend. Will share how it goes when I get back.
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Shot my 17.5 with EPS in an RDS pistol course this past weekend. Had meant to split time with that and the 17.5 with ACRO P2, but bailed on that plan (will get into that more when I have time for a more complete report). Shot a total of 900ish rounds over 3.5 days with the 17.5 EPS and no issues with the optic, or the gun that wasn't induced. Wasn't expecting any issues with the gun, but I didn't get as many rounds with that gun prior to the class than I had planned on.
Overall, I was impressed with the EPS. However, I am currently looking into other options. Including optics that have yet to be released, as well as due to controls on the EPS that I noticed issues with during live fire manipulations. I could adjust some things too eliminate what I noticed, but will have to consider that moving forward.
The class has a variety of RDS sights being used. Most prevalent were 509T and SRO, with a number of EPS and RMRs and one shooter with ACRO. Didn't hear of any RDS failing. One thing of note with Holosun models with side battery tray, the screw came loose on one gun and the guy lost the screw. One shooter noticed his battery tray screw needed tigthtening (by 1 1/2 turn). When I checked my EPS, I could tighten by 1/4 turn, but not sure if it came loose. I checked on it here and there over days 2 and 3, but didn't notice it coming loose.
There were a few shooters shooting Staccatos, I think mostly the P. One was an ACRO and I think one had an SRO.
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Would paint mark on the screw battery have helped? I have an all, but the battery screw.
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Would paint mark on the screw battery have helped? I have an all, but the battery screw.
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Would paint mark on the screw battery have helped? I have an all, but the battery screw.
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The batteries don’t have screws…
Would it have helped? Helped notice it was moving. I think the screw wasn’t installed well. While I could tighten the one on my EPS about 1/4 turn, it didn’t work loose over over 500+ rounds. Will keep an eye on it. If I notice it moving, I may apply purple loctite.
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Anyone looking for ACRO P2, seeing them coming back in stock here and there. DM for info for a couple places I confirmed.
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I had to change the battery on my HOlosun 507K. Well I think I had to. There is no typical blinking dead battery picture. But I did notice that when I would present the firearm, the dot on ocassion would do 1 flicker. I took this as a low battery indicator. Changing the battery for the first time took longer than it should as I didn't know how to pop the battery tray out. Turns out because it's a snug fit, you have to pry it out as there's pry dimples available to use. Then when u put the batter in upside down, it's even more harder to push the tray back in.
Once I replaced it, the flicker stopped. Did my CCW qua with her.