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so now you moving goalpost to "strong factor"?

If you find conclusions so strongly correlated along certain tribal lines (religion, race, politics, etc) then I would say groupthink is a strong factor.

I think that if this were not the case then you would expect to find more diversity of thought. I think this is also why you find groups with positions that are inconsistent with the ideals of their tribe, loyalty to the tribe is more valued than consistent ideology. Why are people who don't line up with their tribes get attacked? Look at what happens when a democrat doesn't side with the liberal agenda? They eat their own. What happens when a republican doesn't side with Trump? A RINO or worse.

Back in caveman days this may have been a trait that served us well.
Political Discussion / Re: Why was the Holocaust allowed to happen?
« on: October 22, 2021, 09:59:47 PM »
Look at what they did with the J&J vaccine, they halted it for a few weeks because of a few reports of clotting problems. They studied the cases and allowed it to continue to be administered because they found the risk to be so low.

You have to keep it in perspective as well, what vaccine has ever been administered in such levels and under such politicization? How many people knew about VAERS before covid? It is entirely possible the VAERS reports are so much higher merely for the fact that so many people know about it and because it is so politicized.

Even if 6,000 people really did die from the vaccine that is a much smaller number than the amount of Americans who have died from Covid. There is no completely safe option, we just try to choose the option with lower risk and all available data shows that the vaccine is a much much lower risk than covid (aside from certain select groups).

"certain select groups"
please show the data that shows which groups these are...
Political Discussion / Re: Covidiots Vs. Covidians? An Alt-Middle View
« on: October 22, 2021, 09:57:04 PM »
I didn't say you haven't seen any of his other videos.

I said if you watch more you will see he is critical of both sides.

where did i say i haven't watched more of his videos?

in your effort to constantly mansplain everything, you ignore the fact that someone may have been watching his videos since late may 2020
but hey, you do you...
Off Topic / Re: Joe Biden is not smart
« on: October 22, 2021, 08:45:28 PM »
so it's only groupthink and it's not possible that more than a few people came to the same conclusion?

I was thinking about some other examples of this that show how supporting your tribe matters more than objectivity. And I don't think it is a concious choice to ignore the truth but a sincere subconscious inability to see outside of what tribes tell people to think. Studies have shown there is a high resistance to going against a tribe. If humans were really objective we would expect to see opinions and beliefs about these issues spread across race, religion, politics, etc but we don't. Additionally I think we see people tending to lineup the same way on sub issues to a large issue, so for example we don't usually find anti covid vaccine people who are pro mask but anti lockdowns and vice versa. People seem to line up relatively neatly instead of having varying unique opinions.

Again these are just examples of this phenomenon, not trying to hold a discussion on any of these issues. Additionally these are just observations of mine, not quantitative data.

#1. The breakdown of who thinks Trump lost legitimately or it was stolen. Pretty clear lines from what I have seen, the strong supporters all seem to think the election was stolen and the people hardcore against Trump all think he lost legitimately.  I have never met a Democrat who thought Trump's election was stolen and I have never met a hardcore Trump supporter who thought Trump lost legitimately.

#2 Responses to covid, masks, and the vaccine. Here I think the lines are not as clean but from what I have observed divisions seem relatively consistent along certain tribal lines.

#3 Gun rights. The liberals tend to think the 2nd amendment means one thing and the conservatives tend to think it means something different.
Off Topic / Re: Joe Biden is not smart
« on: October 22, 2021, 02:02:10 PM »


It's HK fanbois to you, ma'am  ;D

it's MA'AM!!!
Strategies and Tactics / Open Sentry Safe in less than 5 seconds!
« on: October 22, 2021, 12:21:32 PM »
Reloading / Re: primers
« on: October 22, 2021, 08:22:19 AM »
So basically 200?


I was lucky t buy a brick (5k) of CCi LRP right before things went ape $hit.  I was able to get some other primers to test along the way as well, like Winchester and Federal Champion.  I like the CCi that I have, but would be good to be able to get different versions as well as Fed Match primers.  I can still recall when shelves were full of that stuff, but I wasn't reloading. . .  :(

you're lucky
i don't own any primers nor reloading components
General Discussion / Re: Left the Range
« on: October 22, 2021, 08:06:25 AM »
didn't big al from ready on the right die?
Off Topic / Re: Joe Biden is not smart
« on: October 22, 2021, 07:41:20 AM »
Political Discussion / Re: Covidiots Vs. Covidians? An Alt-Middle View
« on: October 22, 2021, 05:27:51 AM »
The term covidiot existed well before this guy made a video about it. In some manner he has called people from both extremes idiots. (Makese perfect sense for someone alt-middle)

If you watch more of his videos you will see that he is equally critical of both sides of this issue.

please show me where i said i haven't watched more of his videos...
Political Discussion / Re: Covidiots Vs. Covidians? An Alt-Middle View
« on: October 21, 2021, 09:07:14 PM »
i love how he describes himself as "alt-middle", then labels one side "idiots"
it would be irritating to be around someone like that...

Another good video by this doctor. This one is about the division, the two extreme sides of the covid issue.

Off Topic / Re: Joe Biden is not smart
« on: October 21, 2021, 07:38:42 PM »
Political Discussion / what the hell is going on here!?!
« on: October 21, 2021, 07:32:09 PM »
Political Discussion / Re: The COVID Cult
« on: October 21, 2021, 07:09:48 PM »
Off Topic / Re: Joe Biden is not smart
« on: October 21, 2021, 02:05:42 PM »
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