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Title: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 02, 2018, 08:23:39 PM
Are you prepared?  Hurricane Hector is growing stronger and is tracking towards Hawaii, though it's still a week away.

Hurricane Hector maintains category 2 strength as it approaches Central Pacific

At 800 PM PDT (0300 UTC), the center of Hurricane Hector was located near latitude 14.1 North, longitude 126.9 West. Hector is moving toward the west near 13 mph (20 km/h) and this general motion is expected to continue through Sunday. Maximum sustained winds are near 110 mph (175 km/h) with higher gusts. Some fluctuations in intensity are expected tonight and Friday. Strengthening is expected after that, and Hector is forecast to strengthen into a major hurricane by Saturday. Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 15 miles (30 km) from the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (110 km). The estimated minimum central pressure is 973 mb (28.74 inches).
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Soleyobo on August 03, 2018, 01:09:26 AM
Hopefully it hits cooler waters and gets hit by wind shears.  We are tracking it at my workplace. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 03, 2018, 07:11:16 AM
Looks like about another week until the storm is paced to reach Hawaii.  Looks like another potential showdown between a Pacific hurricane and the Big Island.  In any case, everyone be safe, especially you folks on the east side of the Big Island! 

Will be going out of down mid next week, so hopefully the storm will have taken a southerly route well before then. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 03, 2018, 07:13:24 AM
Looks like about another week until the storm is paced to reach Hawaii.  Looks like another potential showdown between a Pacific hurricane and the Big Island.  In any case, everyone be safe, especially you folks on the east side of the Big Island! 

Will be going out of down mid next week, so hopefully the storm will have taken a southerly route well before then.

somehow, this is going to be trump's fault...
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 03, 2018, 07:18:25 AM
somehow, this is going to be trump's fault...
Global warming. . .
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 03, 2018, 07:34:49 AM
Global warming. . .

Paris Acords
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 03, 2018, 08:09:25 AM
Paris Acords
Acord?

focus?   ???

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 03, 2018, 08:26:32 AM
Acord?

focus?   ???

 :rofl:


no focus
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2018, 08:57:25 AM
And if it misses us, it's all thanks to Ige who signed the Paris "Acord", according to his commercial.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Tom_G on August 03, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
Trump has slashed funding to the sciences and to NASA, so they had no choice but to turn off their weather control systems. This hurricane is only the first indicator of trouble!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 03, 2018, 09:32:31 AM
Trump has slashed funding to the sciences and to NASA, so they had no choice but to turn off their weather control systems. This hurricane is only the first indicator of trouble!

maybe it's Gojira!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 03, 2018, 09:51:24 AM
Yup, just had all the coco's trimmed and R&R'd fuel in genny and fired her up (month late  ::) )
Stocked and treated another 15 gallons gas, filled up trucks, already went to Costco and now have 150 rolls of T.P.  :rofl: :rofl:
Will rotate water in 55's  this weekend.
Don't forget to update your bug out Flash drive with copies of important doc's, insurance policy's, firearm records, photographs, I.D.'s and recent photos immediate family for lost persons identification.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: hvybarrels on August 03, 2018, 01:14:19 PM
Damn. I need drinking water.

Ideally it will pass close enough to the south to make outside Castle's break for a few glorious hours but far enough away that we don't get the wind.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 03, 2018, 01:37:27 PM
Damn. I need drinking water.

Can drink water out of the water heater.  Or disinfect water with bleach.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 03, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
Can drink water out of the water heater.  Or disinfect water with bleach.

You got at least  5 days to prep !   :sleeping: :sleeping:

If you don't, you deserve to drink out of the toilet !  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2018, 03:01:15 PM

Don't forget to update your bug out , firearm records, .  :thumbsup:

If HPD's system crashed and all is lost, that's their problem.  I remember calling Vegas Metro and asked since HI has registration, do I have to bring my reg with me to Vegas.  The officer laughed and said they don't have so when I'm in Vegas, Vegas laws apply.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 04, 2018, 05:31:04 AM
I hope it doesn’t hit us, but if it does, I would like my whole house to be destroyed. My hurricane insurance policy show the replacement cost more than twice what I paid for the whole property with the existing house.  That way I can get a new house built and designed the way I want, which will then include a fortified safe room, with the entry from the my bedroom.

I have two generators and 15 gal of gas on hand. I am going to pickup another 10 gal.  20 gal of diesel, which should be enough for the two tractors.  Lots of canned and frozen food.  5 full propane tanks and 10k gal of water in the catchment tank.  I am as prepared as I need be.  Also the most important thing, I have become good friends with quite a few people in the 4 years I have been here.  Half of them in construction and two of them have heavy equipment like excavators, cranes, skidsteers, dump trucks etc.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Soleyobo on August 05, 2018, 01:24:08 AM


Projected to miss us but things could change.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 06, 2018, 12:13:03 PM
Hurricane is much stronger than expected and has sustained winds 155mph.  Expected to weaken but could still be a major hurricane when it's near the big island.  Projected to pass south, but big island may feel tropical storm winds and possibly effect the other islands.

Things can drastically change if moves north even a little bit.

Interesting details about Hector and it's resistance to weakening.  https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Hector-Near-Category-5-Strength-Still-Expected-Pass-South-Hawaii

(http://www.staradvertiser.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/web1_20180806_cone_11am.jpg)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 06, 2018, 02:39:11 PM
I hope it doesn’t hit us, but if it does, I would like my whole house to be destroyed. My hurricane insurance policy show the replacement cost more than twice what I paid for the whole property with the existing house.  That way I can get a new house built and designed the way I want, which will then include a fortified safe room, with the entry from the my bedroom.

I have two generators and 15 gal of gas on hand. I am going to pickup another 10 gal.  20 gal of diesel, which should be enough for the two tractors.  Lots of canned and frozen food.  5 full propane tanks and 10k gal of water in the catchment tank.  I am as prepared as I need be.  Also the most important thing, I have become good friends with quite a few people in the 4 years I have been here.  Half of them in construction and two of them have heavy equipment like excavators, cranes, skidsteers, dump trucks etc.

Not 100% sure, but I don't think they will pay for your safe room.  Just to replace as close as possible exact home to current code before the loss.  Building to code now cost way more compared to code 40 years ago.

Unless you had a safe room, but the entire home blew away so they can't prove you didn't have one....
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: ren on August 06, 2018, 02:43:19 PM
It's all Trump's fault.
And it appears to be coming from Kokohead so be prepared for more restrictions.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 06, 2018, 02:46:08 PM
Not 100% sure, but I don't think they will pay for your safe room.  Just to replace as close as possible exact home to current code before the loss.  Building to code now cost way more compared to code 40 years ago.

Unless you had a safe room, but the entire home blew away so they can't prove you didn't have one....

My friend had his house replaced after a fire destroyed it. He had a few upgrades included, like central heat & air, at a much reduced cost than having it installed in an existing home.

In fact, you could have them leave a space unfinished for your safe room, then finish it yourself the way you want and save the labor costs.

As for insurance coverage, they won't pay more than what it will cost to replace what was already there. If your limits are double that, then you are over-insured.

Your broker should be sending you a gift basket each year for Christmas.   :rofl:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 06, 2018, 03:00:29 PM
I've designed safe rooms for buildings and evaluated them after hurricanes (Guam and Okinawa).  In general, as long as you keep the envelope (complete building exterior) intact, the buildings tend to do fine.  The main points of failures are when corners of buildings fail at the overhangs and wind borne debris.

For safe rooms, typically just need a room or two with CMU walls and a concrete slab above.  Those don't add that much to the cost if you're already building a home from scratch.  Would be a good safe room for more than hurricanes and tornadoes. 

If anyone wants to read up more on safe rooms, check out FEMA P-320 and P-361.  There are more resources, but I literally threw them out like a week ago when did some cleaning around the office. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 06, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
My friend had his house replaced after a fire destroyed it. He had a few upgrades included, like central heat & air, at a much reduced cost than having it installed in an existing home.

In fact, you could have them leave a space unfinished for your safe room, then finish it yourself the way you want and save the labor costs.

As for insurance coverage, they won't pay more than what it will cost to replace what was already there. If your limits are double that, then you are over-insured.

Your broker should be sending you a gift basket each year for Christmas.   :rofl:
Insurance coverage is based on what the company thinks it will cost to rebuild a duplicate.  I have a bigger house than I need because my MIL was supposed to move in with us but then changed her mind after we bought the house.  That really pissed me off because I could have saved tens of thousands buying a smaller house.  I paid $377k for a fully fenced 3 acre property with a 3800 sq ft 6 bedroom 3 bath house.   The policy shows a replacement cost for the house at $774k plus $200k for contents.  I am pretty sure they will let me build a smaller house the way I want if the cost will be $200-300k less than rebuilding what I lost.  If they don't then they are really stupid.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 06, 2018, 07:30:04 PM
Insurance coverage is based on what the company thinks it will cost to rebuild a duplicate.  I have a bigger house than I need because my MIL was supposed to move in with us but then changed her mind after we bought the house.  That really pissed me off because I could have saved tens of thousands buying a smaller house.  I paid $377k for a fully fenced 3 acre property with a 3800 sq ft 6 bedroom 3 bath house.   The policy shows a replacement cost for the house at $774k plus $200k for contents.  I am pretty sure they will let me build a smaller house the way I want if the cost will be $200-300k less than rebuilding what I lost.  If they don't then they are really stupid.

Do you own the house, or paying a mortgage or 2?  The bank isn't going to be happy if the market value of the property turns out much lower than the loan appraisal hypothetically.

Even if you don't want as big a house, having the insurance company pay a fraction of the policy limit doesn't sound smart. That's like paying the car dealer for a full size luxury sedan and driving home a compact. 

It's your premiums, and your insurance benefit.  I'd have a hard time justifying walking away from that much value a larger home would represent.

Something to check on beforehand.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 06, 2018, 08:42:01 PM
If my house got destroyed I would like a 800 sq ft house attached to a 6000 sq ft shop.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 06, 2018, 09:35:04 PM
If my house got destroyed I would like a 800 sq ft house attached to a 6000 sq ft shop.

I was going to say, it's much easier to have too much space you can use for reloading, a man cave or billiard parlor than add a room if you decide to later.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Tom_G on August 06, 2018, 10:03:57 PM
Looking into a little bit of solar for my disaster prep. What's got me paralyzed is deciding how much power I actually need.

I rent, don't own, so no installation. No way I can do something big enough to keep a fridge running, for example. So, if not the fridge, then what?

Charging a few small electronics (cell phones, Kindle). Maybe running a few lights. A radio. Conceivably a fan could be very nice. A small cooler? That seems like a luxury.

Carrying it should be an option, in the event of evacuation.

Clearly I won't have anything in place in time for Hector. But Amazon's choices are overwhelming. Thoughts from people who have already made choices? What did you learn?

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 06, 2018, 10:47:30 PM
Looking into a little bit of solar for my disaster prep. What's got me paralyzed is deciding how much power I actually need.

I rent, don't own, so no installation. No way I can do something big enough to keep a fridge running, for example. So, if not the fridge, then what?

Charging a few small electronics (cell phones, Kindle). Maybe running a few lights. A radio. Conceivably a fan could be very nice. A small cooler? That seems like a luxury.

Carrying it should be an option, in the event of evacuation.

Clearly I won't have anything in place in time for Hector. But Amazon's choices are overwhelming. Thoughts from people who have already made choices? What did you learn?


I wanted a self-powered weather band radio for emergencies, and tried the Ambient Weather WR-334-U.  I liked the variety of power options: recharge its battery using USB port (car/PC/wall plug), crank, or just install and use standard batteries.  After using it for a year or so, it was recalled, and the company sent me a check for the full price.  I had a problem with it not holding much of a charge, so the recall was fortunate.

Now I have this one:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K6OCSI6/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This Eton is great.  Charging options are USB or crank (like the Ambient), and also solar.  The whole back of the radio is a solar panel.  I leave it in a spot where sunlight hits it for a few hours a day, and it always shows fully charged.

It has AM/FM/Weather bands, station memory you can set, weather alerts, and bluetooth so you can stream from a phone, iPod or Tablet to its speaker. Did I mention the speakers are 5 times better than the first radio?  It really sounds better than any other compact radio I've owned.

The kicker: it has a 5v—2.1A USB output port. You can use it to charge any other electronic.

It also has a built-in flashlight, a red emergency beacon, and digital tuning which is much nicer than analog and allows for memory presets.

It won't run too many lights, but it does most of what you want.  For the price, it's a good alternative power generator.

I have a Toyota Tacoma with a power inverter. I can run extension cords from there if I ever need that much emergency power. I also have a portable power station (basically a car battery in a chassis with all kinds of ports & lights) which charges with AC power.  It provides power for cell phones (cig lighter port), jumps cars with dead batteries, has an air compressor for flat tires or beach toys, and a 120V DC/AC inverter for running small electric devices.  It lasts quite a while between charges, and I could recharge it using my truck's inverter.

You could also look into solar power generators. They are really just solar-charged batteries that offer more amps/power time for appliances & lights. Some of them are pricy and can take a day or more to fully charge depending on the size solar panel you buy.

GoalZero was a top seller, but many more have hit the market since it was popular.

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-a-solar-generator-are-they-a-bit-of-a-gimmick
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 06, 2018, 11:10:45 PM
Thanks for reminding me about getting a radio.  I always forget about it.

Anyone able to configure their rooftop solar panels to charge things temporarily?  How easy and how much does it cost to hook up a charge controller and an inverter and a couple of lead acid batteries for low power stuff like LED lights, charge cell phones, tablets, fans etc?  Looking for a cheap easy way to do it for emergencies instead of getting expensive stuff like powerwalls.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 08, 2018, 10:25:01 AM
Looking into a little bit of solar for my disaster prep. What's got me paralyzed is deciding how much power I actually need.

I rent, don't own, so no installation. No way I can do something big enough to keep a fridge running, for example. So, if not the fridge, then what?

Charging a few small electronics (cell phones, Kindle). Maybe running a few lights. A radio. Conceivably a fan could be very nice. A small cooler? That seems like a luxury.

Carrying it should be an option, in the event of evacuation.

Clearly I won't have anything in place in time for Hector. But Amazon's choices are overwhelming. Thoughts from people who have already made choices? What did you learn?

Hey Tom.   :wave:

I have a couple panels that have charge controllers built in similar to this.
https://www.amazon.com/ECO-WORTHY-20W-Solar-Panel-Polycrystalline/dp/B00PFGP0EA/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1533758482&sr=1-1&keywords=solar+panel+with+charge+controller
Connected to deep cell marine battery(s) which are connected to 2000 watt inverter and also wired for 12v DC.
Plenty  AC or DC for lighting, radio, fan, power tool (usually 15amp draw max) recharging small electronics or even running a small portable  freezer/fridge like this
https://www.amazon.com/ARB-10800472-Fridge-Freezer-Quart/dp/B002Q1INDM/ref=pd_bxgy_263_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B002Q1INDM&pd_rd_r=ab7191bf-9b47-11e8-800d-291f7dc96a5e&pd_rd_w=bx33A&pd_rd_wg=6L1MQ&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=7ca3846a-7fcf-4568-9727-1bc2d7b4d5e0&pf_rd_r=J9KDJQK07CTCR3ANF22Q&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=J9KDJQK07CTCR3ANF22Q.

I used to use 12vDC marine light bulbs in lamps  but found I can get just as much light if not more with newer  LED type  auto bulbs.
Increase # of batteries extends run time, increase in panels decreases recharge time.
No sun ?
Jumper cable to auto temporarily to re-charge deep cell batteries.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: ren on August 08, 2018, 05:16:25 PM
Thanks for reminding me about getting a radio.  I always forget about it.

Anyone able to configure their rooftop solar panels to charge things temporarily?  How easy and how much does it cost to hook up a charge controller and an inverter and a couple of lead acid batteries for low power stuff like LED lights, charge cell phones, tablets, fans etc?  Looking for a cheap easy way to do it for emergencies instead of getting expensive stuff like powerwalls.

You will need a large bank of batteries to equal a gas generator. There are also safety issues. If you already have PV the key is having an inverter that can manage or have the plug-in option to maintain batteries. You would also need to isolate the batteries from the utility grid. It's easier but inefficient to plug in a charger to your 110 AC line and charge batteries when PV is at its peak. You will need several deep cycle batteries and a DC to AC inverter (preferably pure sine wave) to tie into your home grid. I forgot what it is called but an electrician can install a switch to connect a generator to in case the public grid is offline.
I'm not on net metering but on grid-tied PV - so HECO is reaping most of the benefits. I still get charged for electricity when PV panels are not producing any electricity i.e at night. During the day I still produce more than I consume but I don't collect any immediate financial benefits. HECO doesn't pay a fair share of the electricity I produce instead they have a formula which doesn't make any sense. The HECO customer service rep who explained the formula to me admitted that the formula doesn't favor PV ownership. Anyways, my digress rant.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 08, 2018, 06:51:59 PM
You will need a large bank of batteries to equal a gas generator. There are also safety issues. If you already have PV the key is having an inverter that can manage or have the plug-in option to maintain batteries. You would also need to isolate the batteries from the utility grid. It's easier but inefficient to plug in a charger to your 110 AC line and charge batteries when PV is at its peak. You will need several deep cycle batteries and a DC to AC inverter (preferably pure sine wave) to tie into your home grid. I forgot what it is called but an electrician can install a switch to connect a generator to in case the public grid is offline.
I'm not on net metering but on grid-tied PV - so HECO is reaping most of the benefits. I still get charged for electricity when PV panels are not producing any electricity i.e at night. During the day I still produce more than I consume but I don't collect any immediate financial benefits. HECO doesn't pay a fair share of the electricity I produce instead they have a formula which doesn't make any sense. The HECO customer service rep who explained the formula to me admitted that the formula doesn't favor PV ownership. Anyways, my digress rant.

Sounds like you should invest in a powerwall
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: London808 on August 08, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
Sounds like you should invest in a powerwall

I’m waiting on my permits for mine right now,

22 x 360 watt panels and 2 Tesla power walls battery’s
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: wirecounter on August 09, 2018, 10:34:56 AM
Looking into a little bit of solar for my disaster prep. What's got me paralyzed is deciding how much power I actually need.

I rent, don't own, so no installation. No way I can do something big enough to keep a fridge running, for example. So, if not the fridge, then what?

Charging a few small electronics (cell phones, Kindle). Maybe running a few lights. A radio. Conceivably a fan could be very nice. A small cooler? That seems like a luxury.

Carrying it should be an option, in the event of evacuation.

Clearly I won't have anything in place in time for Hector. But Amazon's choices are overwhelming. Thoughts from people who have already made choices? What did you learn?

Ideas from an old thread . . .

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=3361.msg31742#msg31742 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=3361.msg31742#msg31742)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 09, 2018, 03:54:15 PM
I use this set up to run lights only.  Using 10w led bulbs, can light up the house with 100w.  Running 4-5 hours a night, it should go for couple weeks at least without charging.  Each battery is 245ah@20hours.  Best thing was the price.  Free.  Unused and given to me by my neighbor who moved to the mainland.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: hvybarrels on August 10, 2018, 12:31:57 AM
I use this set up to run lights only.  Using 10w led bulbs, can light up the house with 100w.  Running 4-5 hours a night, it should go for couple weeks at least without charging.  Each battery is 245ah@20hours.  Best thing was the price.  Free.  Unused and given to me by my neighbor who moved to the mainland.

Nice score! I got some Goal Zero stuff which works great, but if I had to do it all over again I'd look for the discount panels that the solar companies get stuck with every once in a while.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Soleyobo on August 18, 2018, 07:03:44 AM
Hurricane Lane is crossing into central pacific should brush by south of Big Island around Wednesday (8/22) afternoon.  Will let you all know if anything changes but its going to pretty much follow the same path as Hurricane Hector.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 20, 2018, 06:24:45 AM
A sharp turn north.  Batton down the hatches looks like heavy rain in the early weekend.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180820/383fc952a23994475f98c2bfd87f6797.jpg)

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Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Soleyobo on August 21, 2018, 12:27:05 AM
Hopefully it loses steam, projected to be Category 1/Tropical storm by the time it reaches Oahu. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Inspector on August 21, 2018, 10:46:17 AM
My list of things to do before it hits:

1. All items in backyard to be moved inside and/or into garage to keep things from blowing around due to high winds.
2. Move my 3 trash cans into garage.
3. Fill up one of my trash cans with water and fill my bathtub with water for emergency toilet flushing if necessary.

All other preps have been done and supplies are current. I suggest to all of you if you have not already updated all of your supplies, that you do it today rather than tomorrow as there are usually huge crowds the closer to the event that we get and sometimes important items are out of stock.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: hvybarrels on August 21, 2018, 10:49:55 AM
Costco Hawaii Kai is nuts. Lines of traffic down the road. Cat feeder parking lot across the street is packed with people literally running to the store. Cop out front to keep the peace. Lemming factor 10,000,000
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Inspector on August 21, 2018, 11:04:28 AM
Costco Hawaii Kai is nuts. Lines of traffic down the road. Cat feeder parking lot across the street is packed with people literally running to the store. Cop out front to keep the peace. Lemming factor 10,000,000
Well I am sure that this is happening every where across the island then. Might be too late for those who work to get to the stores before this storm hits. I remember the first few months I was on island and some big winds knocked down a bunch of power poles and trees I was completely unprepared. I went out to the stores right before and right after the damage was done and basically I was out for hours dealing with crowds, standing in long lines and not getting even half of what I needed. Now I keep my food and water and supplies up-to-date constantly so I don’t have to deal with all that shit. What is interesting is that the “Hurricane Watch” is currently for Hawaii and Maui counties only. So far no warning for Honolulu County.

Lemming factor? I think you are a little low.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 21, 2018, 12:04:19 PM
The watch means the hurricane will hit within 48 hours so honolulu will get it a bit later.

Hope the storm loses power.  Its supposed to be slowing down now instead of getting stronger.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 21, 2018, 12:05:39 PM
not sure why the media downplayed the risk as much as they did.  we knew as early as sunday/monday that it would take a similar trajectory as iniki.

I was out buying extra supplies to batten down the hatches for my employer.  stores are a madhouse. 

I would not go to costco for supplies, they are likely to be out of stock considering they sell in bulk and the sheer amount of customers. I heard town costco is out of water, and wont get their next shipment until thursday. If you really need emergency supplies, I would look to some of the other hardware stores and probably walmart.  Those stores do bring in a lot of water and have other supplies as well.  Also, I would buy NOW if you can while people are at work.  By tonight, people will be in full panic mode.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 21, 2018, 12:09:22 PM
The watch means the hurricane will hit within 48 hours so honolulu will get it a bit later.

Hope the storm loses power.  Its supposed to be slowing down now instead of getting stronger.
it was supposed to lose power earlier on, but didn't. Instead it gained strength to almost category 5.

Best case scenario is probably that it weakens to cat 1, then swings leftwards below the islands.

In conference with HIEMA today, their forecasts raised the probability of a tropical storm powered strike on west big island to 75%, up from 40% yesterday.

  The closer the hurricane gets on this trajectory, the lower the chances of it missing us.  It seems like the probably of a direct strike on either oahu or kauai is going way up.  The outer islands had better pray that oahu doesn't take a major hit. During iniki, much of the support to kauai came directly from oahu.  If Oahu's port gets shut down, ALL the islands are going to suffer since virtually all of the cargo is routed through our harbor.  In a major strike, it will take weeks to clear the harbor for shipping to start up again.  Hawaii didn't invest in the equipment necessary for that type of operation.  it needs to be barged from the mainland.

If kauai takes a hard strike, those stupid hippies are going to wish we still still had the superferry available.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 21, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
Seems like many got lulled into a sense of "it will steer clear again", especially with Hector basically causing many days of hot and humid weather. 

I would think most here are pretty well prepared most of the year.  I don't really need much, but am somewhat concerned about other family members due to their medical needs, particularly if the power goes off for an extended period of time.  For me, all I really need to do is fill up some water bottles that I almost always have around and leave them on the counter (usual deal).  My tub is actually currently filled with a bunch of stuff since I had my flooring replaced over the weekend, but easy to clear those items out. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: London808 on August 21, 2018, 02:27:38 PM
Previous predictions showed it turning west below the islands and had a 4-5 day prediction cone.

The new one got rid of the 4-5 prediction and just stops at the 3 day.

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 21, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
Previous predictions showed it turning west below the islands and had a 4-5 day prediction cone.

The new one got rid of the 4-5 prediction and just stops at the 3 day.
That one brings it closer to Oahu that the ones that I've seen and a little later on Friday morning. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 21, 2018, 02:44:51 PM
Previous predictions showed it turning west below the islands and had a 4-5 day prediction cone.

The new one got rid of the 4-5 prediction and just stops at the 3 day.

They probably got rid of the 4-5 projection because it might lead people into a false sense of security.  The old "sideswipe" predictions are still a hurricane force/tropical storm force wind strike on the islands.  And remember that the prediction can be anywhere within the white area.  Oahu is definitely within the 3 day projection on both the old map and the new map.  As the hurricane gets closer, the chances of it missing the main hawaii islands decreases quickly. 

Also remember that eye doesn't need to pass over the island to cause  problems.  The hurricane is huge.  You guys remember tropical storm Darby, which didn't even hit oahu, but caused devastation, power outages and flooding.   
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: shdws on August 21, 2018, 02:47:49 PM
Went to city mill for supplies, definitely busier than usual but it was not a madhouse like Costco/Sams/Walmart reports have been.  The propane line was getting long though.

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: shdws on August 21, 2018, 02:49:16 PM
If kauai takes a hard strike, those stupid hippies are going to wish we still still had the superferry available.
:rofl:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: newguy86 on August 21, 2018, 02:52:14 PM
Just came home from walmart downtown at 12 noon time, No more 5 gal water bottles, flashlights, camping gear, i am always ready, but cant beat the prices of Twinkies, got myself chocolate, banana, and cotton candy ones!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 21, 2018, 03:13:12 PM
Previous predictions showed it turning west below the islands and had a 4-5 day prediction cone.

The new one got rid of the 4-5 prediction and just stops at the 3 day.
Did you have the setting for "Forecast Length" on "Full Forecast" or "3 days"?

I think "3 days" is default when you get onto the NOAA site.  That said, when I tried looking, the graphic that I pull up is from this past Saturday.  I should walk over to the Joint Typhoon Warning Center.  Their offices are a few buildings away. . .

ETA: Nevermind.  I found where you got that 3-day graphic.  That one doesn't have the forecast length option, but that is the latest update that I could find (2 pm HST). 

ETA2: There is an option.  On the link below, you can select the 3-day or 5-day (with line or no line).

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/tcpages/?product=5day_cone_with_line&stormid=EP142018 (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/tcpages/?product=5day_cone_with_line&stormid=EP142018)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: oldfart on August 21, 2018, 03:46:00 PM
Went to don Quixote this morning. Only had senior citizens shopping. :thumbsup:
Checklist...
Flashlights
Generator
Gas
Water
45
Mre
Whiskey
Cigars
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Tom_G on August 21, 2018, 05:44:33 PM
Looks like I'll be riding this one out on AA and AAA batteries. Didn't get my act together on the solar recharge thingy in time. Still, a Costco pack of batteries should get me through a goodly period of time. I do wish I had a few battery-powered fans, though!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Lihikai on August 21, 2018, 06:49:14 PM
The Lowes in town isn't that busy and they have lots of 5500w generac brand generators.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: hvybarrels on August 21, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
Stopped by the gas station on the way home because car was on E and the place was packed. People were cutting each other off for a stall. Then they would put a squirt to top it off and drive away. One guy had two brand new jerry cans and a genny still in the box in the back of his mini suv. All the big bottles of water were sold out. This is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: London808 on August 21, 2018, 08:36:27 PM
6pm update,
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 21, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
According to the forecasts Lane should be a Cat 1 when it reaches Oahu.  Wind is still a serious threat, but massive flooding will probably cause the most damage.

Be prepared for the water too.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 21, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
According to the forecasts Lane should be a Cat 1 when it reaches Oahu.  Wind is still a serious threat, but massive flooding will probably cause the most damage.

Be prepared for the water too.
as of 8 pm, lane was upgraded to cat 5, and there's a chance it may still be cat 3 when it reaches oahu
the cat 1 was the 5 pm report
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 21, 2018, 09:41:01 PM
I was at KTA this evening.  Usual crowd, no one buying much.  Not many people buying water because most BI people have catchment tanks.  Stopped at a gas station to fill up my car since I had just half tank and when I pulled in, I was the only one there.  Seems like people here not much concerned about Lane.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 21, 2018, 09:55:24 PM
Ran by Texaco after work and it was packed. Will prob stop off the station next to my office tmrw morning. Things tend to be less busy at 6 am.

And Cat 1 hurricane seems like not and, but 74 mph winds are no joke. That is sustained winds. The gusts can get much higher and that’s what can cause a lot of damage. Looks like Oahu is currently in the most direct path. Just hoping the storm loses energy.

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 12:22:22 AM
Ran by Texaco after work and it was packed. Will prob stop off the station next to my office tmrw morning. Things tend to be less busy at 6 am.

And Cat 1 hurricane seems like not and, but 74 mph winds are no joke. That is sustained winds. The gusts can get much higher and that’s what can cause a lot of damage. Looks like Oahu is currently in the most direct path. Just hoping the storm loses energy.



Cat 1 is an old forecast.  The hurricane was never predicted to go to cat 5.  Even strong cat 4 caught forecasters by surprise.  So I wouldn't put that much stock in the forecasts...

and one thing that's not being reported by the media or widely known for that matter is that they found out that this hurricane in particular is spawning many tornadoes (or waterspouts over water).  Even at lower intensity hurricane categories, the tornados its generating can create massive amounts of localized destruction.  Do you remember iniki, and how some houses were left relatively unscathed, while other streets were absolutely decimated?  Likely due to tornadoes.  Hurricanes can spawn tornadoes rating as "severe", 150-200mph
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 22, 2018, 08:34:29 AM


Cat 1 is an old forecast.  The hurricane was never predicted to go to cat 5.  Even strong cat 4 caught forecasters by surprise.  So I wouldn't put that much stock in the forecasts...

and one thing that's not being reported by the media or widely known for that matter is that they found out that this hurricane in particular is spawning many tornadoes (or waterspouts over water).  Even at lower intensity hurricane categories, the tornados its generating can create massive amounts of localized destruction.  Do you remember iniki, and how some houses were left relatively unscathed, while other streets were absolutely decimated?  Likely due to tornadoes.  Hurricanes can spawn tornadoes rating as "severe", 150-200mph
The part about Cat 1 storm was in response to an earlier comment mentioning that according to the forecasts Lane should be a Cat 1 when it reaches Oahu.  I was pointing out the fact that even as a Cat 1 storm, it's nothing to be taken lightly.  That part also should have read "Cat 1 hurricane seems like not a lot, but. . ."  That folks seem to have gotten lulled into a sense of safety as past storms have lost strength at they approach the island, as this one generally has.  But like you said, this one is different.  It has the markings of the "northern hook" path which usually worry the hurricane center folks. 

The studies after Iniki and other major storms tell a lot, but it's tough to tell without having witnessed it.  The studies after many major storms noticed that same thing about one house with a roof torn off next to another one that maybe just lost roofing.  In most of those cases, the conclusion was that the connection of the roof to the walls failed at a corner (corners encounter higher pressures concentrated on the roof eve) and then a zipper effect followed.  The failure causes a "partially enclosed" condition where the wind pressures at the location of the opening are much higher following the failure.  That's why roof tie downs are stressed in modern construction in hurricane prone regions.  I literally tossed those studies out a few weeks ago since in an office cleanup.  That's not to say that the localized tornadoes aren't the reason though, just no one is usually around to witness and report. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 09:31:41 AM
It is likely that state offices and schools across the state will be closed both thursday/friday in anticipation of the hurricane potentially hitting the entire island chain .  final approval for that is with governor, of course.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 09:34:02 AM
It is likely that state offices and schools across the state will be closed both thursday/friday in anticipation of the hurricane potentially hitting the entire island chain.  final approval for that is with governor, of course.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38933580/list-closures-cancellations-due-to-threat-of-hurricane-lane
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38933580/list-closures-cancellations-due-to-threat-of-hurricane-lane

current state office/school closures are for big island and maui counties only. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 09:38:40 AM
Quote
At 8 a.m. Wednesday, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center said Hurricane Lane was still a Category 4 storm,
packing maximum sustained winds near 155 mph with higher gusts after weakening slightly overnight.

Lane was centered about 305 miles south of Kailua-Kona — or 445 miles south-southeast of Honolulu — and
moving near 8 mph.

On Tuesday night, Lane became one of only two recorded Category 5 hurricanes to pass within 350 miles of
the Big Island's South Point. The last: Hurricane John in 1994.

Meanwhile, Lane started to turn to the west-northwest on Tuesday night and is expected to turn northwest
Wednesday, bringing it "dangerously close" to the island chain. The center of the storm is expected to move
very close or over parts of the state Thursday through Saturday.

Hurricane-force winds extend 40 miles from the center of the storm, while tropical-storm-force winds extend
outward up to 140 miles.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38890702/hurricane-watch-issued-for-hawaii-maui-counties-as-lane-nears-state
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 09:40:02 AM
current state office/school closures are for big island and maui counties only.

Quote
This story will be updated with new closures as they happen.

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 09:45:08 AM


And emergency leaders are planning for the closures as I mentioned on Thursday and Friday.  That's all I'm saying. I am aware of what the current closures are...

There was talk of the closure being friday only, but now it seems like it will be for thursday as well. They want to give people time to make final preparations, and for shelters to start opening on thursday in advance of the storm's arrival.  the state is taking a "better safe than sorry approach" on this one.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 11:53:01 AM
Hurricane Lane still cat 4.

Gov to announce the closures I mentioned later this afternoon, it's all but certain.  Thursday/Friday, oahu will see the same level of closures already in effect on the big island.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 22, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
At this time, 1154 hours, no wind or rain at my house in Fern Forest.  Only had a brief rain this morning.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 12:04:54 PM
Governor expands closure of state offices to Oahu, Kauai

Quote
All state offices on Oahu and Kauai will be closed starting Thursday as Lane approaches the islands,
and non-essential state employees are being told not to report to work.

The governor already closed all state offices on the Big Island and Maui County starting Wednesday.

The closures are expected to run through Friday.

Non-essential state workers are being granted administrative leave and should not come to work, the
governor's office said.

Essential state employees are required to report to work. They include emergency coordinators, disaster
response workers and employees who work in crucial operations or services, such as hospital workers
or corrections officers.

This story will be updated.


http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38934005/all-state-offices-on-big-island-maui-closed-as-lane-tracks-toward-hawaii
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 12:08:27 PM
Governor expands closure of state offices to Oahu, Kauai


http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38934005/all-state-offices-on-big-island-maui-closed-as-lane-tracks-toward-hawaii

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 22, 2018, 12:39:28 PM
Things getting more real.  I'm part of our organizations contingency and damage response team.  We had a briefing this morning on status of the storm (was already aware of most of it) and ironing out procedures if we need to report.  Other teams had gone to provide support after Katrina and other large storms, but nothing really in Hawaii since I volunteered. 

Latest update from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center was that the storm has taken it's northern turn further west than previously anticipated and wind shears appear to be slowly dissipating the storm.  However, always caution as storms can strengthen, as has this one a few times. 

Anyways, be safe all and hopefully the storm continues to dissipate and takes a more westerly path. 

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 12:49:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UryZu9t.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
non emergency honolulu county workers are off tomorrow.  I dont believe an announcement was made for friday yet.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 12:55:53 PM
While waters should be sufficiently warm, wind shear is expected to increase by Thursday, triggering
a weakening of Lane.

Despite that, Lane could still be a formidably strong hurricane near or off the Kona Coast of the Big Island
Thursday and may still be at hurricane strength near or off the coast of Maui County or Oahu Friday, areas
that are not accustomed to hurricane conditions.

Perhaps the most dangerous impact from Lane won't depend as much on its intensity or exact track, but rather
may result from its slowing forward speed in the form of heavy rainfall, as we'll detail in our impacts section below.

Residents in Hawaii, particularly in watch and warning areas, should complete storm preparations, including
putting together an emergency kit and a family emergency plan. Those with vacation plans to Hawaii through
Saturday should consider changing their plans.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 22, 2018, 01:24:44 PM
non emergency honolulu county workers are off tomorrow.  I dont believe an announcement was made for friday yet.

mayor announced Thursday and friday
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 02:10:08 PM
mayor announced Thursday and friday

Thanks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: stangzilla on August 22, 2018, 02:55:12 PM
there was a topic of the morning on the Sam and Ryan show on 93.9 this morning.  it was "what do you hate most about hurricane prepping in Hawaii?"
most people called in and said something to the effect, 'I hate the price gouging, or long lines, or their sold out, or people buying 10 or more cases of water at a time, etc.....'
we had all year to prepare for hurricane season.  if you're getting the price gouging or long lines or any of the other reasons, sorry but its YOUR fault for waiting until the last minute to prepare.
I always have multiple water cases on hand bc I use them anyways and buy a lot when they go on sale.  also have a lot of MRE's, mountain house dehydrated food, canned goods, protein powder, protein bars, water bob, etc.
there's always a few things that I don't have, but they are pretty not essential things.  but I'm pretty prepared all the time.
I think I've watched all the episodes of Doomsday Preppers on the history channel (I know this show is mostly entertainment and not factual), and I've always thought that here in Hawaii doomsday will be a hurricane or tsunami.  those are things are inevitable, so everyone that lives here should be always prepared for it.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 03:10:34 PM
there was a topic of the morning on the Sam and Ryan show on 93.9 this morning.  it was "what do you hate most about hurricane prepping in Hawaii?"
most people called in and said something to the effect, 'I hate the price gouging, or long lines, or their sold out, or people buying 10 or more cases of water at a time, etc.....'
we had all year to prepare for hurricane season.  if you're getting the price gouging or long lines or any of the other reasons, sorry but its YOUR fault for waiting until the last minute to prepare.
I always have multiple water cases on hand bc I use them anyways and buy a lot when they go on sale.  also have a lot of MRE's, mountain house dehydrated food, canned goods, protein powder, protein bars, water bob, etc.
there's always a few things that I don't have, but they are pretty not essential things.  but I'm pretty prepared all the time.
I think I've watched all the episodes of Doomsday Preppers on the history channel (I know this show is mostly entertainment and not factual), and I've always thought that here in Hawaii doomsday will be a hurricane or tsunami.  those are things are inevitable, so everyone that lives here should be always prepared for it.

The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.

Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.

The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations.  Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Drakiir84 on August 22, 2018, 03:43:15 PM
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.

Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.

The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations.  Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.

A million times yes!!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 22, 2018, 04:54:37 PM
I don’t really eat Cup o Noodles. Went to Longs today for some other stuff and saw a sale, so bought some. Like 12. The lady at the register was like “is this your hurricane supply?”  I just smiled and said that I have plenty and this just is a quick snack here and there. If someone things 12 cup o noodles are enough, yikes!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 05:24:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/XwU293T.jpg)

https://twitter.com/MayorKirkHNL/status/1032463390264815616
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: aieahound on August 22, 2018, 05:45:55 PM
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.

Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.

The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations.  Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.

Gall dammit Flapp!
I 100% agree with you!

(Too bad you can't see this post in your safe space  :D)
(Still gotta poke you little bit.   :geekdanc: )
(Please nobody quote this)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 22, 2018, 05:54:55 PM
I beieve Costco and some other stores have a no return policy on certain items purchased during a pending disaster.  This was implemented because of people hoarding or buying generators everytime a storm was coming and then returning it if they didn't need it.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 22, 2018, 05:58:36 PM
I beieve Costco and some other stores have a no return policy on certain items purchased during a pending disaster.  This was implemented because of people hoarding or buying generators everytime a storm was coming and then returning it if they didn't need it.
I thought they did that for stuff like TVs around the Super Bowl too.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 22, 2018, 08:53:07 PM
I beieve Costco and some other stores have a no return policy on certain items purchased during a pending disaster.  This was implemented because of people hoarding or buying generators everytime a storm was coming and then returning it if they didn't need it.

I haven't seen this advertised.  Good on them.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 22, 2018, 09:15:45 PM
I haven't seen this advertised.  Good on them.
Not advertised but I recall seeing signs stating such in some stores.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: London808 on August 22, 2018, 09:30:05 PM
They were meant to start installing my solar on Monday........
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 10:11:00 PM
They were meant to start installing my solar on Monday........
youre lucky it's not installed. 

I dont think there's an easy way to protect solar panels on the house, except possibly by jury rigging a bracket into the mount so you can install plywood covers.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 22, 2018, 10:15:17 PM
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.

Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.

The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations.  Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.

Dude I agree with you, but it's hard for certain people.  A lot of people in hawaii live a pay check to paycheck lifestyle, and dropping a bunch of money on emergency supplies that they dont use is a sharp blow to their budget.  Of course it can be argued that they should be living more within their means, but that's a topic for another discussion... 


The way I see it is that if these guys are so hard up that they need to drag their stupid supplies back to the store for a refund, then let em go....  At least they're buying supplies for the hurricane, and won't need to be crying to the government for assistance 1 day post-event.  Oahu has 1 million people, and the government has no stockpiles of supplies to handle their needs.  The more that is distributed into the hands of the general public before the event, the less needy they will be afterwards.  And the government will have more time to bring in aid and distribute properly.

I think quotas are kinda easy to get around, but would be more effective than "no return" policies that the employees likely wouldn't adhere too once these people start raising a fuss that they can't return their pallet of water.  And quotas would help to ensure that supplies are distributed across more people  rather than concentrated in the hands of some last minute bulk hoarders who wouldn't even end up using most of it even if a hurricane did hit.   10 people with 1 case of water each is less likely to return than 1 guy hoarding 10 cases.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 23, 2018, 06:32:20 AM
    Only  one patio door and five more windows to plywood on the second of 2 Beachfront homes.  :crazy
Had plenty of plywood already as it has been stashed in the garage since last Hurricane threat (Ana ?)
Covering windows was the only prepping we needed to do as we prep for Hurricane season first week of August annually.

New hack
Putting water filled jugs into Hot tub and crank up the heat.
When the power goes out, I'll still have gallons of (potable) Hot water  for days to wash up !
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2018, 09:11:14 AM
Also if you boil water and then freeze it, you can use it for later.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
Get your zip packs and chili before zippys closes at 4:00 today
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 23, 2018, 01:07:01 PM
Get your zip packs and chili before zippys closes at 4:00 today

I got a case of MREs.  I wish they could make a zip pack version .
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2018, 01:13:52 PM
Get your zip packs and chili before zippys closes at 4:00 today
Thanks for the heads up. I was gonna try grab food there after taking care of some stuff for my dad later this afternoon.

Will seems more “real” when 7-11’s start closing.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 23, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
Also if you boil water and then freeze it, you can use it for later.

If your water came from the tap and is safe to drink, you really don't need to boil it.  Hopefully the city already makes the water drinkable when you turn on the faucet.  :shake:

If you use a filter (Brita, fridge water dispenser, etc.), you'll eliminate chlorine and other chemicals or particulates to make the water better tasting, but those chemicals keep the water safe by killing bacteria.

I'd recommend going straight from the tap to the freezer.  Boiling seems redundant.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 23, 2018, 01:37:55 PM
Dude I agree with you, but it's hard for certain people.  A lot of people in hawaii live a pay check to paycheck lifestyle, and dropping a bunch of money on emergency supplies that they dont use is a sharp blow to their budget.  Of course it can be argued that they should be living more within their means, but that's a topic for another discussion... 


The way I see it is that if these guys are so hard up that they need to drag their stupid supplies back to the store for a refund, then let em go....  At least they're buying supplies for the hurricane, and won't need to be crying to the government for assistance 1 day post-event.  Oahu has 1 million people, and the government has no stockpiles of supplies to handle their needs.  The more that is distributed into the hands of the general public before the event, the less needy they will be afterwards.  And the government will have more time to bring in aid and distribute properly.

I think quotas are kinda easy to get around, but would be more effective than "no return" policies that the employees likely wouldn't adhere too once these people start raising a fuss that they can't return their pallet of water.  And quotas would help to ensure that supplies are distributed across more people  rather than concentrated in the hands of some last minute bulk hoarders who wouldn't even end up using most of it even if a hurricane did hit.   10 people with 1 case of water each is less likely to return than 1 guy hoarding 10 cases.

The problem with the "hoard & refund" types is they create shortages for everyone else. They also cause problems for retailers and suppliers trying to keep up with demand.

You never read The Ant and the Grasshopper, huh?  These Grasshoppers that wait to buy up everything at the last minute are not only hurting the other procrastinating Grasshoppers, but they also hurt the Ants who just needed to add a little to their stockpile ahead of an emergency.

I'm not judging anyone who can't afford supplies year round. I'm sure these are the same people who have no flood insurance, renter's insurance or auto insurance.  You'll see who they are after the floods, crying on the news how they lost everything and where to send cash donations to help them.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 23, 2018, 01:53:22 PM
^

yeah dude, I totally understand what you're saying and agree with you.  If you come up with a better way to change these type of people's behavior, I'm sure lawmakers would want to know.  Maybe changing the laws is a bit heavy handed, but I think 72 hours out from a storm, there should be some restrictions in place.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 23, 2018, 01:57:25 PM
Also guys, do not take this storm for granted, no matter what  you think you see on the NOAA map is or that it's projected to be much weaker as it gets closer to oahu.

There's currently hikers trapped in waipio valley on the big island, which is currently flooding (Nowhere near the hurricane on the map i might add), and the weather is too severe to run air operations to locate them.  In all likelihood, they will need to survive on their own until the storm passes.  When that will be?  IDK, maybe once its projected to stop coming closer and swings westward out to sea in the next few days?

If you do something foolish, do not assume emergency crews will be able to rescue you!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 23, 2018, 02:21:11 PM
Also guys, do not take this storm for granted, no matter what  you think you see on the NOAA map is or that it's projected to be much weaker as it gets closer to oahu.

There's currently hikers trapped in waipio valley on the big island, which is currently flooding (Nowhere near the hurricane on the map i might add), and the weather is too severe to run air operations to locate them.  In all likelihood, they will need to survive on their own until the storm passes.  When that will be?  IDK, maybe once its projected to stop coming closer and swings westward out to sea in the next few days?

If you do something foolish, do not assume emergency crews will be able to rescue you!

The storm was moving at 8 MPH.  Now it's down to 6 MPH.

The slower it moves, the worse it can get for us.  A stationary storm will keep churning up winds and dumping rain on us longer.  More severe flooding and wind damage is the result.  Falling rocks and uprooted trees will be a possibility as the water loosens the soil.

Looks like the storm is finally starting to track more N-NW. It was mostly W-NW before.

Position is due south of Oahu and SW of the BI.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 23, 2018, 02:28:51 PM
Anyone who would go hiking anywhere, much more so Waipio Valley,  before an impending storm, deserves whatever consequences they get from their foolish actions.  Don't expect other people to risk their lives trying to save your dumb ass.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 23, 2018, 02:33:14 PM
Googled past Waipio Valley news.  Seems like hikers have to be rescued there all the time when it rains.  Flash flood zone, it seems.

PPP (Piss-Poor Planning).
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2018, 02:48:08 PM
Well, Zippys closed at 2 pm. :kickcan:

I have plenty of food, but since I have to take care of transport for my dad, I thought I might as well get some hot food.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Tom_G on August 23, 2018, 03:04:11 PM
Tamura's in Palolo closed at 3pm. WE went for a run about 12:30. There was actually parking (there's NEVER parking at Tamura's!), and they still had poke! Loaded up, figure it's the last fresh fish we'll have until Monday. Also laid in some, um, emergency fluid reserves.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Inspector on August 23, 2018, 03:16:55 PM
Also laid in some, um, emergency fluid reserves.
Antifreeze?  :rofl:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2018, 03:42:04 PM
Tamura's in Palolo closed at 3pm. WE went for a run about 12:30. There was actually parking (there's NEVER parking at Tamura's!), and they still had poke! Loaded up, figure it's the last fresh fish we'll have until Monday. Also laid in some, um, emergency fluid reserves.
I have plenty of whiskey/whisky if anyone missed on that prep.  ;D
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2018, 05:07:37 PM
Well, Zippys closed at 2 pm. :kickcan:

I have plenty of food, but since I have to take care of transport for my dad, I thought I might as well get some hot food.

Sorry, morning news said 4. Sorry you missed the zip packs
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
I have plenty of whiskey/whisky if anyone missed on that prep.  ;D

Got my bourbon and just picked up a 12 pack of beer. I'm a lightweight.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2018, 05:23:24 PM
Sorry, morning news said 4. Sorry you missed the zip packs
Nah. All good. Got some Korean BBQ after I dropped my dad off. I think the Piikoi one closed early.

Got my bourbon and just picked up a 12 pack of beer. I'm a lightweight.
One of my buddies is trying to talk me into going over to his house to drink this afternoon. And he’s a first responder. O.o
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2018, 06:17:33 PM
If your water came from the tap and is safe to drink, you really don't need to boil it.  Hopefully the city already makes the water drinkable when you turn on the faucet.  :shake:

If you use a filter (Brita, fridge water dispenser, etc.), you'll eliminate chlorine and other chemicals or particulates to make the water better tasting, but those chemicals keep the water safe by killing bacteria.

I'd recommend going straight from the tap to the freezer.  Boiling seems redundant.
It was a joke. My coworker asked me how to keep hot water hot.

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Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
So it starts!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: GlockNewb on August 23, 2018, 06:55:13 PM
Not letting letting my guard down, but hopeful signs.

https://youtu.be/Mi_B0JuBqYQ
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: newguy86 on August 23, 2018, 10:21:22 PM
So my wife has to volunteer at an American red cross shelter, got dragged along with her for a 12 hour, this will help alot in further
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 23, 2018, 11:19:01 PM
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/08/23/weather-updates/lanes-turn-west-not-assured-so-next-24-hours-will-be-crucial-for-oahu-meteorologist-says/

This is a good read.  As mentioned earlier, need to pray the storm keeps weakening.  If the storm doesn't weaken enough tomorrow, the storm will continue going north towards oahu and kauai instead of turning out to sea. 

If you're wondering why they keep expecting the left turn, it's because the prevailing tradewinds would have a strong enough effect to turn a weak cat 1 hurricane.  A stronger cat2 - cat 3 hurricane is far more resistant to this effect. 
Quote
“It will be bad news for Oahu if the storm tomorrow is stronger than (the Central Pacific Hurricane Center) has forecast right now — because that will make a turn to the left more unlikely before it gets to Oahu,” Henning said. “Everyone on Oahu should be prepared to take a direct hit.”
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 23, 2018, 11:30:13 PM
It was a joke. My coworker asked me how to keep hot water hot.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

I don't know how I missed that from freezing boiled water.   :wacko: :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: DesertRangerTycho on August 24, 2018, 08:40:14 AM
So it starts!

Good Choice!  I am carrying so cannot imbibe.:)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
Good Choice!  I am carrying so cannot imbibe.:)
Followed up with a glass of Komagatake. My friend came over for dinner and he has a few before he headed home.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 09:54:05 AM
Awareness, or lack thereof of people amaze me. It’s prob blowing 25-30 mph at my place and the park across the street is littered with LARGE coconut palm fronds all over the park. This lady is casually walking her tiny dog all around the park, at times DIRECTLY below the trees that have large fronds on the ground. Walking around with not a care in the world...
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 24, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
Awareness, or lack thereof of people amaze me. It’s prob blowing 25-30 mph at my place and the park across the street is littered with LARGE coconut palm fronds all over the park. This lady is casually walking her tiny dog all around the park, at times DIRECTLY below the trees that have large fronds on the ground. Walking around with not a care in the world...

heads
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 10:19:11 AM
heads
no focus?
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 24, 2018, 10:22:14 AM
no focus?

yup, go outside and make a V with your fingers and point to your eyes and tell her "focus"
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 10:25:34 AM
yup, go outside and make a V with your fingers and point to your eyes and tell her "focus"
Then bam! I get hit by a frond!  :o
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: London808 on August 24, 2018, 10:26:03 AM
Interesting read for those who can

http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/index.html (http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/index.html)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 24, 2018, 10:37:08 AM
Then bam! I get hit by a frond!  :o

then you need to focus too
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 10:39:34 AM
then you need to focus too
Fawk... no focus :facepalm:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 24, 2018, 11:06:39 AM
Interesting read for those who can

http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/index.html (http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/index.html)
You just got to that ?  :o
It's been up since November 2013  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12053.msg115882#msg115882

Seriously good read thoughand full of REALISTIC   prepper tips  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 02:03:40 PM
2 pm HST update apprear to have downgraded to a tropical cyclone and start of the western turn. Hoping for continued west path and loss of strength.

ETA: Still Cat 1 storm.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 24, 2018, 02:08:47 PM
2 pm HST update apprear to have downgraded to a tropical cyclone and start of the western turn. Hoping for continued west path and loss of strength.

downgraded to cat1 hurricane as of 2 pm
still moving NNE at 2pm
MAY be slowing and getting ready to turn
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 02:19:13 PM
downgraded to cat1 hurricane as of 2 pm
still moving NNE at 2pm
MAY be slowing and getting ready to turn
Yeah. Correct on path. Supposed drift slightly NE before hopefully a western turn.  No focus...
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: London808 on August 24, 2018, 08:39:47 PM
You just got to that ?  :o
It's been up since November 2013  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12053.msg115882#msg115882

Seriously good read thoughand full of REALISTIC   prepper tips  :thumbsup:

I’ve had it bookmarked for forever.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2018, 10:25:22 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 25, 2018, 01:24:28 PM
I think this was actually a really good opportunity to see how prepared hawaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster.  Far better opportunity than any drills the state could have ran.   

While not perfect by any means (there are many things that could be a lot better) overall the state's readiness is way better than it was as little as 5 years ago.  This time around there was much better cooperation and communication between the state, feds, national guard, all counties, and private companies.   It used to be a completely chaotic disorganized mess, with preparation pretty much being personnel crossing their fingers and praying it doesnt hit.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 25, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
I think this was actually a really good opportunity to see how prepared hawaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster.  Far better opportunity than any drills the state could have ran.   

While not perfect by any means (there are many things that could be a lot better) overall the state's readiness is way better than it was as little as 5 years ago.  This time around there was much better cooperation and communication between the state, feds, national guard, all counties, and private companies.   It used to be a completely chaotic disorganized mess, with preparation pretty much being personnel crossing their fingers and praying it doesnt hit.

I wonder if the better state response is related to the upcoming Governor's race?   ;)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 25, 2018, 05:06:22 PM
I think this was actually a really good opportunity to see how prepared hawaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster.  Far better opportunity than any drills the state could have ran.   

While not perfect by any means (there are many things that could be a lot better) overall the state's readiness is way better than it was as little as 5 years ago.  This time around there was much better cooperation and communication between the state, feds, national guard, all counties, and private companies.   It used to be a completely chaotic disorganized mess, with preparation pretty much being personnel crossing their fingers and praying it doesnt hit.
What "opportunity to see how prepared (H)awaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster." do you speak of ?
There was no natural disaster , much less a "large scale natural disaster"
Granted BI got lots of water (no offense) but Oahu and other islands had no real flooding, power outages, wind etc...  :sleeping:  :sleeping:
Hardly what I would consider a test in state readiness.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: London808 on August 25, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
THIS IMAGE WILL AUTO UPDATE AS THE NEW ONCE GET POSTED.

(http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/xgtwo/two_pac_2d0.png)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: TastesLikeMetal on August 25, 2018, 10:40:25 PM
The thing that irritates me is the number of people who buy out Costco and Walmart 2-3 days before bad weather, then take everything back for a refund the next week because they didn't need it.

Water, generators, toilet paper .... you name it, they hoard it all then take it back.

The big box places should have an "all sales are final" policy or have limits on certain items during these kinds of peak demand situations.  Maybe that would force everyone to buy and keep a minimal emergency stockpile they can just add to when a storm is coming.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, FUCK THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!  I made a post, then Flapp enlightened me that this thread already existed...
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 26, 2018, 09:21:09 AM
This Sunday morning news said City Mill is not accepting returns on bottled water or generators that had gas put in it.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 26, 2018, 12:43:42 PM
This Sunday morning news said City Mill is not accepting returns on bottled water or generators that had gas put in it.

good on both accounts.

This is just my opinion, but there are certain steps in hurricane preparedness that you should only take when a strike is imminent unless you have no choice but to prepare ahead.  it can be very inconvenient otherwise.

Filling a generator with gasoline is one, also boarding up ones windows, filling bathtubs and 5 gallon buckets with water are others.

Also, as far as generators go, I think butane/propane generators are the better option over gasoline.  It's safer and easier to store long term. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 26, 2018, 12:55:24 PM
What "opportunity to see how prepared (H)awaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster." do you speak of ?
There was no natural disaster , much less a "large scale natural disaster"
Granted BI got lots of water (no offense) but Oahu and other islands had no real flooding, power outages, wind etc...  :sleeping:  :sleeping:
Hardly what I would consider a test in state readiness.

Read my post again please.  I'ts not that hard to figure out.  Buildings have fire drills to prepare occupants and management for a building fire.  Does the building actually need to burn to the ground first to determine readiness for a building fire?

I think you're confused between readiness and response (post event), which is what you're talking about.  I personally believe that the resources allocated towards responding after a major hurricane hits in hawaii is insufficient (thank our lawmakers for that), but that's a topic for another day.

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 26, 2018, 01:11:10 PM
I was pretty impressed with many preparations for response post event that I noticed or heard about. One was the staging of vehicles and equipment in the H3 tunnel and appearing to be ready to go. Another was the preparations and coordination of the National guard and support from “Title 10” elements.

I’m now more concerned that folks will take future events lightly considering this near miss where nothing much happened for most of Oahu.

While this wasn’t a test of disaster response, I think many learned about their preps and individual situations.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: newguy86 on August 26, 2018, 02:09:21 PM
After doin a 12 hour volunteer at one of the shelters here, i have to say hawaii is not ready for a hurricane, nothing was in place for any aftermath if we was to be hit, really sad,i under stand ppl need to bring their supply, but i seen kids and pregnant women sleeping on the floor,  they should have laid down the gym mattes, alot of listened learn here, big eye opener for me
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 26, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
After doin a 12 hour volunteer at one of the shelters here, i have to say hawaii is not ready for a hurricane, nothing was in place for any aftermath if we was to be hit, really sad,i under stand ppl need to bring their supply, but i seen kids and pregnant women sleeping on the floor,  they should have laid down the gym mattes, alot of listened learn here, big eye opener for me

It actually would be nice if the shelters were stocked with food/water and that they were comfortable.  But the point of the shelters is emergency shelter, and emergency shelter alone.  The intent of the shelter is to provide a safer place to keep you alive while the storm passes.  The state makes this clear.  If you want a matress or futon to sleep on, you need to bring it yourself.The state does not have the resources allocated to do what you're suggesting. 

In the future, if there's funding allocated towards it, the state could keep supplies stationed at every major shelter (schools) for post hurricane relief efforts.  It would help relieve immediately after the storm, as the people most likely to use the shelters tend to be poorer or homeless.



I was pretty impressed with many preparations for response post event that I noticed or heard about. One was the staging of vehicles and equipment in the H3 tunnel and appearing to be ready to go. Another was the preparations and coordination of the National guard and support from “Title 10” elements.

I’m now more concerned that folks will take future events lightly considering this near miss where nothing much happened for most of Oahu.

While this wasn’t a test of disaster response, I think many learned about their preps and individual situations.

One thing I've found encouraging  is that nowadays, after major disasters or disaster misses like this one, planners are looking at what went wrong, and try ti incorporate fixes in procedure for the future.  Hawaii itself has not gotten hit by a major hurricane since iniki, but they're using lessons learned from puerto rico and other hurricanes to better hawaii's preparedness.  The strategy of staging of equipment closer to anticipated need and ready to go and closer coordination between agencies has come about as a result of hard lessons learned from other hurricanes that hit the east coast. 

Without coordination, you can have a lot of fucked up things happening... like if a critical road to the airport needed to be cleared, you have county, state, and national guard personnel showing up on site, but noone thought to bring the dozer because they thought the other party was going to take care of it.  Or you get 5 backhoes sent to the location, but no way to keep them fueled.  The fuel trucks are still sitting in a yard still blocked by debris across the island.

The reason they implemented the 2 weeks of food, water, and supplies last year was in direct response from experiences form other states that have gone through similar disasters.  The better supplied residents are, the more disaster workers can focus on restoring critical infrastructure; restoring the ports, airports, main roads, and power, instead of worrying how to keep people from starving and dying of dehydration immediately after the storm hits.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 26, 2018, 02:51:09 PM
One thing I've found encouraging  is that nowadays, after major disasters or disaster misses like this one, planners are looking at what went wrong, and try ti incorporate fixes in procedure for the future.  Hawaii itself has not gotten hit by a major hurricane since iniki, but they're using lessons learned from puerto rico and other hurricanes to better hawaii's preparedness.  The strategy of staging of equipment closer to anticipated need and ready to go and closer coordination between agencies has come about as a result of hard lessons learned from other hurricanes that hit the east coast. 

Without coordination, you can have a lot of fucked up things happening... like if a critical road to the airport needed to be cleared, you have county, state, and national guard personnel showing up on site, but noone thought to bring the dozer because they thought the other party was going to take care of it.  Or you get 5 backhoes sent to the location, but no way to keep them fueled.  The fuel trucks are still sitting in a yard still blocked by debris across the island.

The reason they implemented the 2 weeks of food, water, and supplies last year was in direct response from experiences form other states that have gone through similar disasters.  The better supplied residents are, the more disaster workers can focus on restoring critical infrastructure; restoring the ports, airports, main roads, and power, instead of worrying how to keep people from starving and dying of dehydration immediately after the storm hits.

Yeah, lots of lessons learned, especially after big storms and earthquakes. I’m on a team that does damage assessments post events and it’s amazing the amount of data collected and efforts put forth to try to prevent or at least minimize effects of future events. Dealing with Mother Nature is unpredictable and can never fully prevent some things, but we can definitely help minimize suffering and try to maximize recovery.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on August 26, 2018, 03:13:14 PM
I could never see buying water.  When I lived on Oahu and there was a pending disaster, I would fill trash cans with water for flushing the toilet.  I would always have at least 20 plastic gallon containers on hand to fill for cooking and drinking water.  I would go and buy beer.  Never needed to rush out and buy toilet paper either.  We always have at least a 6 week supply on hand. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: macsak on August 26, 2018, 03:19:01 PM
This Sunday morning news said City Mill is not accepting returns on bottled water or generators that had gas put in it.

I heard Costco HK was not that crowded an hour ago
not much line in the returns, but there was a bunch of water that had already been returned
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 26, 2018, 09:08:28 PM
I could never see buying water.  When I lived on Oahu and there was a pending disaster, I would fill trash cans with water for flushing the toilet.  I would always have at least 20 plastic gallon containers on hand to fill for cooking and drinking water.  I would go and buy beer.  Never needed to rush out and buy toilet paper either.  We always have at least a 6 week supply on hand.
I usually have bottled water on hand for guests as well as various activities that need bottled water. So I rotate my stock pretty regularly. I also have a bunch of larger bottles of water that I’ve saved and I’ll fill those and leave on the kitchen counter. I also fill the smaller coolers and buckets that I have around for flushing toilets.   

Beer was one thing I didn’t have. Plenty of other alcohol though.  >:(
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Inspector on August 27, 2018, 05:46:08 AM
I usually have bottled water on hand for guests as well as various activities that need bottled water. So I rotate my stock pretty regularly. I also have a bunch of larger bottles of water that I’ve saved and I’ll fill those and leave on the kitchen counter. I also fill the smaller coolers and buckets that I have around for flushing toilets.   

Beer was one thing I didn’t have. Plenty of other alcohol though.  >:(
I always have bottled water due to my having to bring my own out to the job sites I visit. By law, the GC is required to provide water and drinking cups but as I am sure you know this is not a priority for some GC’s. So out of self defense I have to bring my own. So I am constantly rotating my stores of water. I go through a lot considering I am just one person. I also recycle every bottle I buy.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 27, 2018, 08:46:32 AM
I always have bottled water due to my having to bring my own out to the job sites I visit. By law, the GC is required to provide water and drinking cups but as I am sure you know this is not a priority for some GC’s. So out of self defense I have to bring my own. So I am constantly rotating my stores of water. I go through a lot considering I am just one person. I also recycle every bottle I buy.

I normally use a 40oz hydroflask thingie for work daily, and don't bother cycling my emergency water.  As long as the seals aren't broken, the water is safe to drink (as is canned food for that matter). 

Water is one of the things that you'd have to be an idiot to be unable to prepare for.  Bottle water is convenient, but you can pretty much fill any clean container with water for emergency usage.  If you're looking at water for flushing toilets or whatever, you can just fill those stupid c&c bins...Not sure how many gallons that is, just that it's A LOT of water. Worst comes to worst, you can just plug your bathtub drain and fill that with water.   
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Inspector on August 27, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
I normally use a 40oz hydroflask thingie for work daily, and don't bother cycling my emergency water.  As long as the seals aren't broken, the water is safe to drink (as is canned food for that matter). 

Water is one of the things that you'd have to be an idiot to be unable to prepare for.  Bottle water is convenient, but you can pretty much fill any clean container with water for emergency usage.  If you're looking at water for flushing toilets or whatever, you can just fill those stupid c&c bins...Not sure how many gallons that is, just that it's A LOT of water. Worst comes to worst, you can just plug your bathtub drain and fill that with water.
I use the bottle water for convenience. It fits in my back pocket and is not something extra I  have to carry up and down stairs and ladders.   I usually cycle thru 4 cases of water due to this. Including flavored water I usually have 6 or so cases of water on hand at any time. More than enough for the wife and I in an emergency.

I am currently emptying my green container now that it is no longer needed. It takes a lot of 5gallon buckets  to empty it. I am letting it drain out using my hose. I also drained my bathtub this morning.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2018, 09:40:01 AM
I have a 64oz Hydro Flask. I used to have a 40 oz one, but a buddy got the larger growler for a present so I use it now. A lot of it is filled with ice though. When I used to workout more often after work, sometimes I would drink all the water in the office and have to fill up before going to workout. Sometimes I would empty the bottle twice.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Lihikai on August 27, 2018, 10:18:45 AM
Wow, you must be part camel.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2018, 10:24:01 AM
Wow, you must be part camel.
Haha. Nah. Prob drink half that volume for every fill since so much ice. But when I used to do Krav and boxing after work, those workouts made you sweat.. a LOT!
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: stangzilla on August 27, 2018, 01:23:51 PM
I learned that some of my family ain't prepared for crap!
they will depend on my prepping for their plan B when their food and water run out in 1-2 days.  couple family members literally had food and water to only last a couple days.
if and when SHTF, they better have something good to trade me or they ain't getting nothing from me 

they laughed at the original doomsday prepper for preparing for a catastrophic flood, until it rained for 40 days and 40 nights...
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 28, 2018, 06:33:32 AM
Read my post again please.  I'ts not that hard to figure out.  Buildings have fire drills to prepare occupants and management for a building fire.  Does the building actually need to burn to the ground first to determine readiness for a building fire?

I think you're confused between readiness and response (post event), which is what you're talking about.  I personally believe that the resources allocated towards responding after a major hurricane hits in hawaii is insufficient (thank our lawmakers for that), but that's a topic for another day.

   Read my post again please.  It's also not that hard to figure out.

What "opportunity to see how prepared (H)awaii is in the event of a large scale natural disaster." do you speak of ?

   What "better cooperation and communication between the state, feds, national guard, all counties, and private companies." are you talking about ?  :wacko:
The only difference I saw was that the HFD drove by Friday morning with PA announcing that we were under a Hurricane Warning (duh), something done once before a long time ago by CD.

   Perhaps you are in a position to enlighten us on info we or at least  I am not privy to.
Are you saying they kept the power on by not letting utility poles fall down because of minimal winds ?
They stopped flooding on the islands (excluding BI) because of the lack of rainfall ?
As the BI took the brunt of the storms rainfall, what are these "state, feds, national guard, all counties, and private companies." doing to help them ?

    Again, because there was no natural disaster, much less a "large scale natural disaster" I don't see how their preparations were tested.
Hardly what I [/b IMHO ]would consider a test in state readiness.

    On the other hand, it may have been a great test for the common public to see how UNPREPARED they were, but seeing how the storm bypassed the majority of the state, it will just  be another feather in the hat of complacency.  :-\
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Drakiir84 on August 29, 2018, 08:04:58 AM
If your water came from the tap and is safe to drink, you really don't need to boil it.  Hopefully the city already makes the water drinkable when you turn on the faucet.  :shake:

If you use a filter (Brita, fridge water dispenser, etc.), you'll eliminate chlorine and other chemicals or particulates to make the water better tasting, but those chemicals keep the water safe by killing bacteria.

I'd recommend going straight from the tap to the freezer.  Boiling seems redundant.

Yup, only reason to boil from the tap is if the water supply was compromised due to the disaster, and the Board of Water supply would inform us if that were the case.  Remember that your water heater is a great source of emergency water and if you don't have one, get one of these WaterBOBs if you have a tub.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AXLUX2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: stangzilla on August 29, 2018, 08:25:20 AM
I have a water bob.  great for disaster prep.  holds up to 100 gallons.   :thumbsup:


I also have a brita pitcher and spare filters.  after doing many plumbing jobs around the house and seeing the inside of the pipes, I will always filter the water.  the inside of the pipes are disgusting!  theres rust, brown crap.  I can just imagine what the inside of the main water pipes look like. water may be safe to drink, but I'd rather filter out all the crap that gets stuck in the pipes.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Drakiir84 on August 29, 2018, 08:39:03 AM
I have a water bob.  great for disaster prep.  holds up to 100 gallons.   :thumbsup:


I also have a brita pitcher and spare filters.  after doing many plumbing jobs around the house and seeing the inside of the pipes, I will always filter the water.  the inside of the pipes are disgusting!  theres rust, brown crap.  I can just imagine what the inside of the main water pipes look like. water may be safe to drink, but I'd rather filter out all the crap that gets stuck in the pipes.

Yeah man, Brita is life.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: oldfart on August 29, 2018, 08:51:57 AM
If your water came from the tap and is safe to drink, you really don't need to boil it.  Hopefully the city already makes the water drinkable when you turn on the faucet.  :shake:

=================
 In Waipahu, the tap water is horrible.
 It corrodes or stains the fixtures, leaves spots on your car and does not do a very good job on plants or grass.
 Case in point, my yard was all brown and even after I water it with the faucet, it does not change much.
 But a day of rainwater and all of a sudden everything turns green.
 I do not drink the tap water in Waipahu. :grrr:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 29, 2018, 08:55:17 AM
be careful with the waterbobs, supposed to be 1x use only (probably ok if you dry it out well after usage)

there's been numerous reports of them leaking and not holding water as well.  Those things are pretty cool and relatively inexpensive, but it's too bad they didn't build them to be more reliable.  Cool to have in an emergency, but I would not bet the farm on it being there for you.
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https://www.amazon.com/WaterBOB-Emergency-Container-Drinking-Hurricane/product-reviews/B001AXLUX2/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
Pulled this brand new item out of the box to fill it in preparation for Hurricane Irma and there is rip right up the crease. It won't hold water at all. When I need it the most, 24 hours from the hurricane, this item was a complete failure. I don't know how the company will react when I try to return it but I know I relied on it and I shouldn't have.

We bought this in preparation for Hurricane Matthew, unfortunately the hurricane is about to hit and the product has a whole and is leaking. Hope we don't loose access to drinking water because this was our water source since water was sold out in our are.

Wanted to use this product for Hurricane Matthew last week, thought I was smart having this on hand. This product really let me down, as the 'filling sock' plastic was extremely thin and flimsy and the seams of it were not closed as they should have been, so unable to fill the water storage container and did not have the back-up water supply I counted on.

trying to prepare for hurricane irma expecting no electricity or water for days to weeks. Tried to fill the water bob and the "sock" part that you need to attached to the bath tub spout has holes in it.

Used for hurricane Irma prep and aftermath with no power. The fill tube leaked all up and down the seam and it took forever to fill. The siphon also fell apart many times getting water and would not gravity flow. Good idea, wound up using the water in the days after but terrible quality control for a one time use item. Didn't need the added stress.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Drakiir84 on August 29, 2018, 09:29:12 AM
be careful with the waterbobs, supposed to be 1x use only (probably ok if you dry it out well after usage)

there's been numerous reports of them leaking and not holding water as well.  Those things are pretty cool and relatively inexpensive, but it's too bad they didn't build them to be more reliable.  Cool to have in an emergency, but I would not bet the farm on it being there for you.
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https://www.amazon.com/WaterBOB-Emergency-Container-Drinking-Hurricane/product-reviews/B001AXLUX2/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
Pulled this brand new item out of the box to fill it in preparation for Hurricane Irma and there is rip right up the crease. It won't hold water at all. When I need it the most, 24 hours from the hurricane, this item was a complete failure. I don't know how the company will react when I try to return it but I know I relied on it and I shouldn't have.

We bought this in preparation for Hurricane Matthew, unfortunately the hurricane is about to hit and the product has a whole and is leaking. Hope we don't loose access to drinking water because this was our water source since water was sold out in our are.

Wanted to use this product for Hurricane Matthew last week, thought I was smart having this on hand. This product really let me down, as the 'filling sock' plastic was extremely thin and flimsy and the seams of it were not closed as they should have been, so unable to fill the water storage container and did not have the back-up water supply I counted on.

trying to prepare for hurricane irma expecting no electricity or water for days to weeks. Tried to fill the water bob and the "sock" part that you need to attached to the bath tub spout has holes in it.

Used for hurricane Irma prep and aftermath with no power. The fill tube leaked all up and down the seam and it took forever to fill. The siphon also fell apart many times getting water and would not gravity flow. Good idea, wound up using the water in the days after but terrible quality control for a one time use item. Didn't need the added stress.

As with all emergency supplies, they should be inspected upon purchase and before use.  You can definitely re-use.  Dry out thoroughly and store in an air tight container with a desiccant. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: stangzilla on August 29, 2018, 09:41:37 AM
good to know about checking the water bob to see if it is in working order


I also had a solar radio with cell phone charger.  the kind you can either charge by solar, or hand crank, or plug in.
early last week I tried charging the battery to get it ready and test it out. turns out the battery wouldn't charge, and could not catch any radio station.  so I threw that in the trash.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on August 29, 2018, 09:59:10 AM
good to know about checking the water bob to see if it is in working order


I also had a solar radio with cell phone charger.  the kind you can either charge by solar, or hand crank, or plug in.
early last week I tried charging the battery to get it ready and test it out. turns out the battery wouldn't charge, and could not catch any radio station.  so I threw that in the trash.

For the waterbob, if you can identify a leak early, I'm pretty sure patching it with duct tape would hold in a pinch.  The bob will expand so its pushing against the tub, also helping to make sure the leak is contained.  But yeah, just my worthless 0.02

Funny, the same thing happened with one of my solar emergency radios.  Except that mine still works off regular batteries and wall power.    The issue with some of these radios long term is the rechargable batteries don't last forever, I am just lucky mine also takes regular batteries and a/c power.

Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Rocky on August 29, 2018, 10:40:58 AM
    55gal bbl is the way to go, had ours for years.   :thumbsup:
We prep (bleach out) and rotate the water in our 2) "main" 55 gal bbl's every 6 months (water garden) and there is always 2) 5 gal. containers in the house (also prepped and refilled every 6 months).
     Impending doom (last week) we prep and fill at least one of our 4 extra bbl's.

     Since HRA "rebuilt" our city's water lines, failures are ridiculously regular events.
Seems the supplier that provided the T' and unions used for every house were faulty so they fail all the time
   SURPRISE !   :o No water, at least for those who do not prep.  :P
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on August 29, 2018, 07:11:33 PM
=================
 In Waipahu, the tap water is horrible.
 It corrodes or stains the fixtures, leaves spots on your car and does not do a very good job on plants or grass.
 Case in point, my yard was all brown and even after I water it with the faucet, it does not change much.
 But a day of rainwater and all of a sudden everything turns green.
 I do not drink the tap water in Waipahu. :grrr:

No worries, probably just the DDT in the water.

I got a filter and a steripen so I can grab water from the stream, pick out the talapia, filter, and sanitize if I run out of my water supply which should last me about 3 to 4 weeks.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41P045093FL.jpg)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61K9u5u0YWL._SL1000_.jpg)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: mrgaf on August 30, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
=================
 In Waipahu, the tap water is horrible.
 It corrodes or stains the fixtures, leaves spots on your car and does not do a very good job on plants or grass.
 Case in point, my yard was all brown and even after I water it with the faucet, it does not change much.
 But a day of rainwater and all of a sudden everything turns green.
 I do not drink the tap water in Waipahu. :grrr:

Mililani water is crap also....and poisonous....
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 30, 2018, 11:02:13 PM
Mililani water is crap also....and poisonous....

Being in Mililani since 1993, I can say the water won't kill you, but it sure isn't the best tasting tap water I've ever used, either.

I use a Britta filtered jug for my Keurig, and fridge filtered water for drinking & ice.  If I need to add water for cooking, I use the filtered water.  I think the only regular use for non-filtered water is laundry, showers, and my dog's bowl (any animal that is okay with drinking from a toilet can't be that picky).

I also keep a dozen 14 oz bottles chilled, and cases stockpiled.

I read the water quality reports when they are sent out.  I don't know who sets the standards, but they must have subsidized Menehune water delivery.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: drck1000 on August 31, 2018, 12:38:32 PM
Really want to see what kind of stuff is in our public water distribution system?  Try witnessing when they pig the lines, or send this large bullet shaped foam/sponge/whatevertheyusenowadays thing into the pipe.  That said, I still drink tap water.  I used to use Britas when I live in WA, but that was more for the taste.  I should filter water here, but just haven't done so.  :kickcan:
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on September 06, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
Round 2...Fight.  Olivia is homing in.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180907/ecfc3e028cc8237bf193f2a771d89254.jpg)

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Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 06, 2018, 05:35:43 PM
Round 2...Fight.  Olivia is homing in...

(https://i.imgur.com/LWv6Z19.gif)
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on September 07, 2018, 05:22:24 AM
mostly need to pray that it weakens enough before getting here.  the track it's taking is somewhat of an unusual one in that it's approaching from the north AND the prevailing tradewind are in effect.  In effect, the trade winds is blowing the hurricane towards the islands.  In Lane's case, it had the opposite effect since lane approached from the south, it blew lane away from us and disrupted the storm.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on September 07, 2018, 05:26:06 AM
Being in Mililani since 1993, I can say the water won't kill you, but it sure isn't the best tasting tap water I've ever used, either.

I use a Britta filtered jug for my Keurig, and fridge filtered water for drinking & ice.  If I need to add water for cooking, I use the filtered water.  I think the only regular use for non-filtered water is laundry, showers, and my dog's bowl (any animal that is okay with drinking from a toilet can't be that picky).

I also keep a dozen 14 oz bottles chilled, and cases stockpiled.

I read the water quality reports when they are sent out.  I don't know who sets the standards, but they must have subsidized Menehune water delivery.


mililani water is contminated with pesticides from pineapple days..... I dont work for BOW, so no idea how much water they using is from mililani nowadays or what the acceptble limits for these chemicals,etc is.


http://www.environment-hawaii.org/?p=3559
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on September 07, 2018, 05:29:57 AM
oh and im pretty sure those handheld purifiers dont have the ability to clean heavy metals and pesticides. 

While it's cool to have if you really need it.  I wouldn't use it to drink random alawai water if at all possible.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: RSN172 on September 07, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
My house water (catchment)  goes through 2 20"inch filters, then UV light to kill bacteria.  We then run that through a Brita pitcher for cooking and drinking.  I also have friends who only run their catchment water through one 10" filter and no UV light and are still alive.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: Inspector on September 10, 2018, 06:12:31 AM
In case anyone wants to add an inexpensive camping stove to their hurricane preps I saw some Coleman 2 burner propane stoves still at the Kapolei Walmart with choke propane canisters. Usually, these items are gone this close to the expected event. Stove is $47 and propane canisters are $4 each or two for $7.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on September 11, 2018, 08:47:41 AM
 Maui county schools closing tomorrow.

Maui and Oahu  county and state employees likely as well.  gov meeting with mayors this morning.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: oldfart on September 11, 2018, 11:24:17 AM
I went to costco kapolei last night and it was only slightly busy. Plenty TP and water and generators.
My intent was to restock my supply of TP and doggy chews and fill gas as I normally do on Monday.
As usual, I ended up buying more stuff that wasn't on the shopping list.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: 2ahavvaii on September 11, 2018, 12:04:39 PM
Public schools on Maui, Molokai and Lanai will be closed Wednesday due to Tropical Storm Olivia, state officials announced today. All other schools statewide will be open Wednesday, they said.

welp, there's the official update.  Looks like they decided against taking action for oahu county, so maui county only.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: robtmc on September 13, 2018, 10:15:42 AM
Another storm, another dry day in West Hawaii, just some breezes.  Easy to see why long term residents here are so laid back while elsewhere panic sets in.

Nice to have a volcano at your back to block things.
Title: Re: Hurricane Season 2018
Post by: zippz on October 14, 2018, 11:38:07 AM
What happens during a hurricane and why you need to evacuate.  Hurricane Michael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ofAJSqpLM