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General Discussion / Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« on: October 22, 2022, 07:14:40 AM »
I bet they have staffers who know somebody who knows somebody ...
I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion.  It would be nice, though, if the opinion was based less on emotion and unfounded smears.
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General Discussion / Re: KHSC closed starting today 9-16-22
« on: October 22, 2022, 07:07:43 AM »
I never compared myself to historically significant figures.

Just pointing out the fallacious straw argument posted by Mr. Logical.
Your typical full of sh*t response.

I never compared myself to anyone. Show me where I did. You're a liar. Or stupid. Or both.

Please post the premises and conclusion of my "straw argument". Also, please provide an example of a non-fallacious straw argument.

I merely pointed out the that sub-message quotations from the person making the post were from two people who were often highly critical in very direct language of those that disagreed with them (i.e. not showing them "respect"). The poster's comment was "We need to agree to disagree with respect." Certainly both Paine and Truman utterred or wrote many statements that violated that standard. Why would the poster have one standard for those he quotes and another for others? Free to be inconsistent and contradictory, of course.
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General Discussion / Re: KHSC closed starting today 9-16-22
« on: October 21, 2022, 01:13:19 PM »
You're neither Thomas Paine nor Harry Truman.

"Respectfully" pointing that out, in case you were confused.
LOL coming from you.
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 21, 2022, 01:10:10 PM »
It's always nicer when specs are spelled out for you in unambiguous terms, but often you have to take a stab at what the manuals meant -- or should have meant -- and not just what they say literally.  I refer you you to Microsoft documentation for decades of prime examples.  Never wrong, but simultaneously 100% useless.

Town Halls are held specifically so the average voter can get a straight answer to a specific question (in theory).  I think given the abundance of questions and doubts surrounding her party departure, she would be smart to hold a televised/streamed meeting so these questions can be asked and hopefully answered satisfactorily.

We shall see.

...
I never attended a Big Island "town hall" with Gabbard because I specifically asked the staff if my question would be addressed and they told me "You have to submit your question in writing and the staff will decide which questions are presented publicly." I wouldn't be surprised if the staff WROTE half the questions... smh. She's not gonna do anything that could possibly cast any light on her other than what she wants. I guess we'll see... or not.
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 21, 2022, 01:03:30 PM »
Her father Mike jumped fences couple of times.  That's why I will wait and see.  Seems to run in the blood.
I haven't checked in many months... what's his party affiliation at the moment?
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 21, 2022, 01:01:51 PM »
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Hope we can get her to testify before the Legislature next session.
Or even just a detailed written statement to the legislature on how many of the Hawaii laws are unconstitutional and ought to be remedied ASAP by the legislature (e.g. mag capacity limits, carry license "requirements", etc., etc., etc.).

This is gonna be good.
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 21, 2022, 09:56:22 AM »
Close as I can find in less than 1 minute.
“Protecting our freedom to defend ourselves and those we love and protecting our rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against a tyrannical power is exactly why we must insure that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed,” she stated.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/10/gabbard-quits-democrats-in-blistering-critique-with-strong-2a-component/#axzz7iNMj9Jb5
She said essentially the same in fewer words when she was in office voting for the "assault weapons" ban, etc.

She doesn't explain, at all, why the same evidence for all these issues, that hasn't changed one bit since she was in office calling for bans, etc. in January 2021, now leads her to conclude the exact opposite. Or maybe it's not based on the evidence at all. If not, what is it?

And, as groveler pointed out, she is talking about having arms to resist "a tyrannical power"... not personal protection against criminals.

So I still wanna see the "dialogue" where someone knowledgeable on each issue explores her seeming "transformation" in detail.  Maybe she has "good" answers that make sense and are rational. Maybe not. We don't know at this point.

What we do know is that her name is in the headlines every day. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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General Discussion / Re: KHSC closed starting today 9-16-22
« on: October 21, 2022, 07:32:06 AM »
Man you’re being a little rough there. How about lightening it up some. While there are some pretty smart people on this forum, none are a genius. We need to agree to disagree with respect. Just my honest opinion.  : ???
I apologize. I'm so sorry. It was wrong of me to point out the illogic, contradictions, and lack of factual evidence in a post making unsupported and illogical claims (thus far unanswered).

I'm sure neither Thomas Paine nor Harry Truman would ever have done such a disrespectful thing.
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 21, 2022, 07:12:30 AM »
This is why our local 2a community is fractured.
Once a person is anti 2a they can never be pro 2a. Mindsets are cast in stone. Don't welcome them or have a dialogue.
<signing out>
Wow. Generalize (and overstate) much?

Exactly why is "our local 2a community... fractured"? Let me guess: some people don't hold the same views about various issues as you?

My "mindset" (aka rational skepticism) is based upon 10 years of personal experience dealing with Gabbard (my representative)/her staff on numerous 2A pieces of legislation that she either co-sponsored or supported.

I'd love to see the "dialogue" with Gabbard wherein she explains, in detail, exactly how she was wrong about all those 2A issues in the past, and what evidence (that always existed... there's nothing new re "assault weapons" or "gun show loophole" or "the dangers of CCW", etc.) she has now interpreted as meaning the exact opposite of how she interpreted that evidence just a short time (January 2021) ago. Where is that dialogue? Please post a link to it. Thanks.

Even then... "deeds, not words".
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General Discussion / Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« on: October 20, 2022, 05:41:15 PM »
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.

Apparently much of the pro-2a identity is tied up with being on the permanently-losing side so that even though the goal line is in sight we still can’t believe it.
What, specifically, is "the goal line" that "is in sight"?
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General Discussion / Re: KHSC closed starting today 9-16-22
« on: October 20, 2022, 05:29:30 PM »
Not looking for an argument. Looking for a way to open the range and keep it open. If you want to argue there's lots of trees in Kapiolani Park.
Yeah, you just want to make absurd statements (having nothing to do with "looking for a way to open the range") and expect people to go "Yeah, brilliant point. What a deep thinker."

So, when is the range going to reopen so the LGSs can stay in business? I'm sure the C&C doesn't want to lose all that tax revenue.
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General Discussion / Re: KHSC closed starting today 9-16-22
« on: October 20, 2022, 05:00:58 PM »
I dont plan to write a peer reviewed paper but I spoke to a LGS and they said they will suffer if the range shuts down. No public venue to shoot. Less ammo bought. Less desire for guns. Several clubs use the range. Silhouette. Shotgun. Action. Bullseye pistol Smallbore.
We need a town hall meeting with the Mayor to assure us the City will keep the range open.
Oh, well, if you spoke to a LGS then I withdraw all questions about your assumptions and your data, as your evidence is unquestionably valid and proves your claim, which was:

"You know this whole firearms "situation" would go away if they simply banned ranges."

Just to be clear, your assertion is that "firearms will go away, if the ranges are closed" and is based upon you talking to some person at a LGS who claims their business will decrease.

That seems par for your woefully inadequate understanding of logic.

PS By the way, the public range has been closed for 5 weeks now, how far down is the LGS business so far? Did they give you a timeline as to when they will be forced to close due to everyone having sold all their guns to out of state buyers due to lack of a public range?
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General Discussion / Re: KHSC closed starting today 9-16-22
« on: October 20, 2022, 10:07:13 AM »
flip that around and you'll see their game plan
By "flip that around" are you suggesting

"You know this whole firearms "situation" would go away if they simply banned ranges."

If so, explain, because that makes no sense at all. How would the absence of ranges have any effect, much less a major one, on firearm possession? You got a John Lott paper on that?
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General Discussion / Re: KHSC closed starting today 9-16-22
« on: October 19, 2022, 07:48:53 PM »
You know this whole range "situation" would go away if they simply banned firearms.

I wonder if they've thought of that?

 :wave:
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Legal and Activism / Re: Real Antony Fauci Movie
« on: October 18, 2022, 02:15:14 PM »
Green'll sh*t his pants when XBB gets here.

No carry. No go to work. No go to school. No pay. No food.

Like all Democrats, serving the community.

PS The Real Anthony Fauci documentary is good enough, but the book is seriously documented.
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General Discussion / Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« on: October 18, 2022, 01:17:09 PM »
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  I guess "swearing on the bible to uphold the constitution of the US" is a joke?
No, it's a deadly serious sworn oath. What you don't seem to understand is that "no right is absolute".

You can already bear arms for hunting and target practice and in your business or in your home from the bedroom to the kitchen. Isn't that enough? Don't blame the oathkeeping law enforcers fbecause there is a sliding scale for the right.

/sarc
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General Discussion / Re: Victim bought body armor for protection
« on: October 18, 2022, 12:32:51 PM »
Meant CCW'd at work only.
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So she carried the unloaded gun in a locked container from her car into her workplace, where she removed and loaded it?

Didn't occur to her that he might accost her on her way into or out of the building or the parking lot?

Just curious.
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So do boys get to join the Girl Scouts (w/o gender adjustments  :crazy:) ?
All scouts are equal, but some scouts are more equal than others.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Real Antony Fauci Movie
« on: October 18, 2022, 08:26:35 AM »
Since you don't advocate voting for Green, may I assume you advocate voting for the guy opposed to carry?

Good choice.

Or do you advocate voting for a person who supports SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED but has zero chance of getting elected?

 :stopjack:
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General Discussion / Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« on: October 18, 2022, 07:29:31 AM »
I heard a rumor that the chief is about to announce his conversion to libertarianism, and as such will adopt the views of Georgia's Libertarian Party candidate for governor:

Georgia's libertarian gubernatorial candidate, Shane Hazel, gets in on the action.

"Libertarians don't believe in any gun laws. We believe that you know how to best protect you and your property. And the biggest mass murderer in history is government…" pic.twitter.com/SBPng38DL6

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) October 17, 2022

That's essentially what I wrote in my testimony: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Pretty sure they are seriously considering that option... and now with the chief's rumored conversion, you know, like Tulsi...
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