I think it might be difficult for people to get enthused by something that one of the elected members, Brett Kulbis, characterizes by writing (among other criticisms), "It feels like someone is trying to pull a fast one, perhaps with some smooth talking.  This is so wrong and unethical!!". The whole thing smells of the typical Uniparty events we now see going on in Washington, D.C. where both the Democrats AND Republicans are fighting Trump tooth and nail to keep themselves in power, rather that be truly concerned about what would most help all Americans in the long run. It's a sham.

I'M ENTHUSED JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IN A POSITION OF POWER  IS LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW WHO'S SCREWING UP AND WANTS TO REPLACE THEM AND EXACTLY WHY YOU SHOULD ACT NOW TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM.

Yeah, click on that link to the gophawaii (if you can get the web page to load). Read their platform. Lots of "soundbite" claims about "liberty" and "smaller government" and "right to life", but no mention of personal liberty regarding possessing and consuming arbitrarily and capriciously government-dictated "illegal substances" (which have less scientific evidence of harm than legal alcoholic beverages), nor of how the "right to life" is consistent with laws illegalizing personal choices at end of life to have one's life terminated in a pain -free manner, nor of getting the government out of interactions between consenting adults who might want to exchange various goods and services, etc. etc. etc. In other words, it's just imposing it's own moral dictates (vs. the shallow claim of "liberty")  versus the moral dictates of the "other side" dictators. Their claims of supporting "liberty" are basically equivalent to the Dems who claim "I support the Second Amendment, but... (as long as a person is allowed to own a single shot .22LR rifle exclusively inside their home, that's good enough)".

AGAIN, EXACTLY WHY YOU SHOULD ACT NOW TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM THAT BRETT AND THE LIKE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEIR PLATFORM IS NOT NECESSARILY BRETT'S, YOURS OR MINE.
THE IDEA HERE IS TO CHANGE THINGS
THERE ARE IMPORTANT POSITIONS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED WITHIN ALL OF OUR DISTRICT PRECINCTS AND NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT !

"PUNAPERSON FOR HAWAII PUNA DSTRICT CHAIR"   

And, no, it's not a case of "the perfect is the enemy of the good"... more like "the not quite as bad in some ways". I don't really want to support anyone who wants to deny me any of my liberties and wants to turn me into a criminal for choosing to exercises my rights and preferences where no one else is harmed.

Not to be anal,  but shouldn't this belong in the political area?
That being said, until you can throttle the Chairmen of committees
or at least make them fear for their lives, nothing will change.
Hawaii is so "Deep leftist" only blood shed for liberty can fix it.
I don't think we here are willing to start shooting politicians, after all
that is illegal and nobody here would do or advocate anything illegal.
So just say to the Democrats "Thank you sir, can I have another",
(From Animal house the movie). and be good little citizens.

The time is now, the cause is freedom, the choice is ours...will we stop this insanity?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

You, and we, all know the answer to that is "no".

Quote from: Rocky on March 23, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
The time is now, the cause is freedom, the choice is ours...will we stop this insanity? Wasn't a rhetorical question, was just wondering if you were with us which you have answered.

BTW, here's who's making your decisions for you to "bend over and ask for another"  in Puna....

1      Chairman   Justin   Scharf       808-319-9471    justinscharf@outlook.com
1-9   President   Alan   Koahou      808-657-8270   amkoa2305@gmail.com
2      Chairman   Sibi   Hoke   808-933-1066   808-989-7714   sibi@hawaii.rr.com
4      Chairman   Marc   Fullmer   808-982-7605      pbm959@gmail.com
 1-5   President   Ron   Vizzone   808-982-7697   808-494-4460    da_viz49@yahoo.com

District map attached.

As you seem to not want to make change,  be "good little citizen" and move along, nothing for you to see here.

For all others 
 Honolulu County Convention
March 27th, 2017
Location: Koko Head Elementary, 189 Lunalilo Rd. Honolulu
Time: Registration 5:30, Convene 6:15 PM – 8:30 PM. Credentials closes 6:30 PM.
Contact: Convention Committee Chair Jennifer Anderson, jennifer@gophawaii.com, 808-838-9276
I believe it's $10 @ the door

I wish you well in your endeavors.

No, I'm not a Republican. I can give you a list of Republican party positions on various issues that I strongly (to put it mildly) disagree with (all of which are positions where the Republican party advocates that people, rather than having freedom and liberty to make personal choices that do no harm to others, obey the dictates of government or be deemed criminals and suffer at the capricious whimsy of jack-booted thugs. Just one example: Legally buy and consume all the alcoholic beverages you want, but possess a fraction of an ounce of cannabis (or any other "illegal drug") and go to jail. Hypocrites.). I can also include quotes from a personal email from Ms. Welsch where she herself articulates some of those positions (though she differs from the official party positions on others). I can also provide some quotes both from her own website and websites that she links to regarding what one might call the "overarching ideological basis" for her views, which is fine, unless you happen to be either 1. NOT religious, or 2. religious, but not a member of that particular religion
Give us an update on what happens at the meeting. I look forward to the insanity ending. When do you expect we'll see exactly what results?

The committee chairs are voted in by the members. There's a lot of jockeying for position that happens on who gets to be chair of what committee.
There's a lot of that "be a good little follower and next year you can be a chair of so and so committee" among the legislators also.

Dude, your really stuck on that pakalolo thing aren't you ?

No. I'm stuck on the "hypocrite thing", or the "liar thing", depending on how you view it. It's "interesting" that you find being a hypocrite/liar to be rolling-on-the-floor funny. Those who claim to advocate for liberty and then actually advocate for taking liberties (and freedom itself) from people, you know, like (most) Republicans re "illegal drugs" while they legally consume their particularly-preferred intoxicant (alcohol). Or re "right to life" except for when someone at end-of-life wants to make their own determination as to exactly how and when they die. Or like when two consenting adults mutually agree to a mutually beneficial arrangement but the Republicans want to put them both in jail (but especially the woman) because the Republicans have some religious-based morality that says people "shouldn't" do that. Etc.

I notice that you were very selective in what you chose to respond to in my post, including the questions I asked. Why not answer those? I mean if you have nothing to hide about your claimed advocacy for "liberty" and "freedom". Please feel free to address any of the above issues, and "When do you expect we'll see exactly what results?"

PS I don't use any psychotropic substances (alcohol, cannabis, coffee, etc.). My interest is liberty and freedom for individuals not being squashed by government, especially a government of hypocrites. Neither do I belong to any religion, yet I support "freedom of religion", though I have a very strong preference that religions refrain from attempting to use government laws to enforce the religion's beliefs.

I was just noticing how the pakalolo was referenced heavily in both of your post.

It was referenced because it is a clear and unarguable instance of the lie that Republicans support personal freedom and liberty and want "to have LESS government control/involvement in your life". How is making criminals of people who possess or consume something less harmful than the legal drug alcohol (and no Republicans are calling for criminalizing the drug alcohol) an instance of "LESS government control/involvement in your life"? I added a couple of other instances of the lies and hypocrisy in the second post because you don't want to respond to the actual issue of the lies and hypocrisy but only to divert by attempting to make light of one particular instance of the lying and hypocrisy as if that issue is marginal or only of interest to people who differ from you in some way you discount or demean and therefore those people deserve no respect for their freedom or liberty.

The "rolling-on-the-floor funny was followed by sleeping (aka crash) in reference to the pakalolo, nothing to do with hypocrite/liar.

Yeah, I noticed that you don't ever answer the questions about the hypocrisy and lying of your, and Republican, claims about personal liberty and freedom in the instances I mentioned.

   As for your first post, i really see no questions asked of me and my response was to "GET INVOLVED TO CHANGE THE THINGS YOU DO NOT LIKE ( legalize pakalolo, right to life, 2a etc...).
Mind you, part of the Republican doctrine is to have LESS government control/involvement in your life and the quotes from Brett Kulbis are merely his testament that things need to be changed.
 

Okay, here's the one question that I DIRECTLY asked: When do you expect we'll see exactly what results? I'll spell that one out for you: Exactly what is going to happen, and approximately when, in terms of any actual real life practical changes in any legislation coming out of the Hawaii state legislature? Also, specifically exactly what in relation to the three issues I mentioned?

I also asked for a report on the meeting. Here, I'll spell out a few specifics:

1. What policy positions were put forth, with what degree of support, to either 1. make the drug alcohol have the same illegal status of all other "illegal drugs", or 2. make all "illegal drugs" have the same legal status as the drug alcohol?
2. What policy positions were put forth, with what degree of support, to support individuals at end-of-life to have the legal ability to make any choices they wish about terminating their life in the manner and time they might choose?
3. What policy positions were put forth, with what degree of support, to support consenting adults to legally engage in mutually agreed upon arrangements of any sort?

In other words tell us how this new "change" in the Republican party is going to turn 180 degrees from their long held policies that are EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of your claim that "part of the Republican doctrine is to have LESS government control/involvement in your life"? You can do that by providing quotes from the meeting, votes on these issues from the meeting, or any published documents stating the views of the people voted in at the meeting.

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