Big pharma  and their drugs are the main reason for all the mental health problems we have today.

I agree with you on that point but here is part of the problem. Gun rights activists are usually conservatives/republicans and we don't have a strong tract record on free health care. So we kind of look like hypocrites if we push back against free health care while at the same time saying we need mental health care instead of gun control. If we are going to say the government needs to provide more to deal with the mental health problem that necessarily means we are going to have to take a step towards socialized medicine. Certainly rather that than lose our guns.

We don't need a total free healthcare system, but when someone is a danger to themselves or others, then the government health care should step in.  Crackheads who go to the ER don't pay the bill, neither do people who are in mental facilities. 

Not to side track the subject, but a total free health care that the DNC is pushing for doesn't work too well.  Wait times will be very long.  Compared if I have to see my PCP, I can call them right now and they can squeeze me in today or within 1-2 days.  Same goes with a specialist that may be needed after the initial PCP visit.

We don't need a total free healthcare system, but when someone is a danger to themselves or others, then the government health care should step in.  Crackheads who go to the ER don't pay the bill, neither do people who are in mental facilities. 

Not to side track the subject, but a total free health care that the DNC is pushing for doesn't work too well.  Wait times will be very long.  Compared if I have to see my PCP, I can call them right now and they can squeeze me in today or within 1-2 days.  Same goes with a specialist that may be needed after the initial PCP visit.

Exactly....
Take a look at the “free for all” health care system in Canada. Ok if all you need is wellness care but god forbid you need surgery or specialty care your wait will exceed 6 months! Good friend of mine is Canadian and his wait for bypass surgery was over 7 months. Good thing he went to the U.S. to get treatment at his own expense.....

some people already get free healthcare by going to the ER for everything as simple as a toothache.
Who suffers? The people who are in REAL need of medical emergency treatment as well as people who pay their own share for things.

some people already get free healthcare by going to the ER for everything as simple as a toothache.
Who suffers? The people who are in REAL need of medical emergency treatment as well as people who pay their own share for things.

Chances are, even if there is free mental health care offered, most won't avail themselves.  There have been stories on the news lately on mentally ill homeless refusing any kind of help.  One had a physical health issue, got treatment and was back out on the street even though they were offered a room in a mental health treatment facility.

OFFERING a solution to the people posing the problem is not a solution.  Laws against involuntary committal continues to be a roadblock.

I remember that guy who was waving a knife in Ross in his underwear. They had a state psych exam him and he was declared sane.  He was released and killed someone 2 days later in Chinatown.

Had law makers been spending money on mental heath instead of gun control from 20 years ago, we might have been better off.  But instead they spend billions on gun control.  That is the point I'm trying to make.

We have a mental heath problem disguised as a gun problem.

If the "Great Society" gibsmedat welfare state was not so out of control, we might be able to afford to treat the mentally ill.

instead we subsidize sloth and breeding of more generations of leeches.

If the "Great Society" gibsmedat welfare state was not so out of control, we might be able to afford to treat the mentally ill.

instead we subsidize sloth and breeding of more generations of leeches.

Funny video I watched today of a feminazi wearing a pink pussy hat saying she was gay and disabled and trying to survive on disability. She had been out at a protest all day on her feet and had enough energy to yell at and attack the person interviewing her after she found out they were Trump supporters. In other words she didn’t look so disabled to me. But what do I know? I have long felt that the disability and welfare systems are filled with people committing fraud upon the taxpayer. There is no oversight and compliance written into the laws so it is rampant IMHO.

Personally, I feel that if we still had the death penalty and didn’t require it take 10+ years to put the mentally ill murderers and violent offenders to death we wouldn’t have to provide mental institutions to violent criminals. The death penalty saves the taxpayer money. 

Funny video I watched today of a feminazi wearing a pink pussy hat saying she was gay and disabled and trying to survive on disability. She had been out at a protest all day on her feet and had enough energy to yell at and attack the person interviewing her after she found out they were Trump supporters. In other words she didn’t look so disabled to me. But what do I know? I have long felt that the disability and welfare systems are filled with people committing fraud upon the taxpayer. There is no oversight and compliance written into the laws so it is rampant IMHO.

Personally, I feel that if we still had the death penalty and didn’t require it take 10+ years to put the mentally ill murderers and violent offenders to death we wouldn’t have to provide mental institutions to violent criminals. The death penalty saves the taxpayer money. 

WAY off topic, but that reminds me of that video of that conference or something where there were all of those "points of personal privilege" or something like that where there were calls to make "jazz hands" instead of clapping because there were those that were sensitive to noise.  How do these people function in REAL day-to-day life?  Probably can't because they were raised in a protective bubble. . .

Funny video I watched today of a feminazi wearing a pink pussy hat saying she was gay and disabled and trying to survive on disability. She had been out at a protest all day on her feet and had enough energy to yell at and attack the person interviewing her after she found out they were Trump supporters. In other words she didn’t look so disabled to me. But what do I know? I have long felt that the disability and welfare systems are filled with people committing fraud upon the taxpayer. There is no oversight and compliance written into the laws so it is rampant IMHO.

Personally, I feel that if we still had the death penalty and didn’t require it take 10+ years to put the mentally ill murderers and violent offenders to death we wouldn’t have to provide mental institutions to violent criminals. The death penalty saves the taxpayer money. 

My brother has worked in fast food his entire adult life.  When he's asked to fix a store that's losing money, one of his first things to look into is how many on the job injury worker's comp claims have happened shortly after employment.  It's becoming common for new hires to set up or fake their injuries just to qualify for WC benefits.

To combat this, he sits down and calls the former employers and reviews the WC records of new employees.  If they have a pattern of claims after a short time on the job, he lets them go and replaces them rather than hope his store doesn't become their 3rd, 4th, 5th or higher number fraud victim.

WAY off topic, but that reminds me of that video of that conference or something where there were all of those "points of personal privilege" or something like that where there were calls to make "jazz hands" instead of clapping because there were those that were sensitive to noise.  How do these people function in REAL day-to-day life?  Probably can't because they were raised in a protective bubble. . .

My wife is on disability because she is truly disabled. You wouldn’t understand what I go through now that she cannot do some things for herself. I’m not complaining because I want to do everything I can for my wife. My point is if this woman was truly disabled by one of the qualifying conditions, she would not be able to protest all day and be able to attack anyone. She would need help living day to day in some way. Which leads me to believe she is probably receiving disability fraudulently. She was quite rotund as I remember in the video so scrounging for food doesn’t seem likely considering her comment about having a hard time living on disability.

My wife is on disability because she is truly disabled. You wouldn’t understand what I go through now that she cannot do some things for herself. I’m not complaining because I want to do everything I can for my wife. My point is if this woman was truly disabled by one of the qualifying conditions, she would not be able to protest all day and be able to attack anyone. She would need help living day to day in some way. Which leads me to believe she is probably receiving disability fraudulently. She was quite rotund as I remember in the video so scrounging for food doesn’t seem likely considering her comment about having a hard time living on disability.

Yeah, I hear ya. 

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/01/24/wake-diamond-head-tragedy-police-chief-seeks-tighten-loopholes-gun-laws/

In the wake of the deadly rampage in Diamond Head, Honolulu’s police chief says she wants to tighten loopholes in Hawaii’s already tough gun laws.

Police Chief Susan Ballard said Thursday that police found multiple firearms at the Hibiscus Drive property where 69-year-old suspect Jerry Hanel is accused of killing his landlord and fatally shooting two Honolulu police officers before setting a fire that destroyed five homes in the affluent community.

Hanel is also presumed dead.

The guns were all badly damaged in the scorching blaze.

Speaking to Hawaii News Now, Ballard said none of the guns found at the property were registered to the suspect, his landlord ― Lois Cain ― or her husband, who died in 2005.

“This is the time we need to do something.”

Am I the only one who thinks that the chief of police shouldn't be a political hack, and not be the one making or suggesting laws?

WTF? They mentioned a few times that ghost guns do not need to be registered. I feel like some can take this statement as being legal to own.

“There are now 38 gun proposals moving through the Legislature ― and more than a dozen were introduced since the weekend shooting.”

 

that term ghost guns is just plain stupid
just another hyped up word to get attention.
A gun without a serial number.

This tragedy involved guns that were illegally accessed by someone. In addition, he committed arson and stabbed at least one person.

“There are now 38 gun proposals moving through the Legislature ― and more than a dozen were introduced since the weekend shooting.”

 

Yep, true story.

WWW.HIFICO.ORG/2020BILLS

We don't need a total free healthcare system, but when someone is a danger to themselves or others, then the government health care should step in.  Crackheads who go to the ER don't pay the bill, neither do people who are in mental facilities. 

Not to side track the subject, but a total free health care that the DNC is pushing for doesn't work too well.  Wait times will be very long.  Compared if I have to see my PCP, I can call them right now and they can squeeze me in today or within 1-2 days.  Same goes with a specialist that may be needed after the initial PCP visit.

Subsidized or free health care systems do have their own drawbacks but so does out system and different forms suffer something in different ways. Till I changed to my wife's medical plan, our 80/20 HMSA plan was going to go up to something like $850 a month for a family of 4 and that is only the employee portion! People can go to the ER for mental health but most mental health issues don't need an expensive ER visit, they need to see a psychologist or psychiatrist and just need basic visits which they can't just get for free like in the ER. I think we need some combination of in custody mental health care as well as non custody care.

For clarification I am not necessarily in favor of full socialized medicine but I think we need to overcome the idea that we must completely resist socialized medicine.

Big pharma  and their drugs are the main reason for all the mental health problems we have today.

How do you come to that conclusion?